How can we fix anything when the miscreants never have to suffer the consequences of their failures?

2016-03-23T11:22:20-04:00

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_29671760/va-no-new-punishments-aurora-construction-failure

Every good parent knows that you can't alter a child's behavior if they never have to suffer to consequences of that behavior. The same is true in every age and in government as well. Why don't we make the miscreants pay for their misfeasance, malfeasance, and nonfeasance?

VA: No new punishments for Aurora construction failure

Following the completion of an internal investigation, the VA said Tuesday that it does not plan to punish any other employees involved in the constructio

Response by Alan K. made Mar 23 at 2016 11:27 AM

2016-03-23T11:27:47-04:00

I like It CPT.....!

Response by CSM Charles Hayden made Mar 23 at 2016 11:27 AM

2016-03-23T11:27:57-04:00

CPT Jack Durish Punishment involves acceptance of responsibility by the party/person in charge!

Response by SSG Warren Swan made Mar 23 at 2016 11:28 AM

2016-03-23T11:28:20-04:00

When you know you cannot be "fired", why worry about silly things like cost overruns, late work, proper healthcare, or anything else the VA is supposed to do. Get "fired" take the government to court, be back at work the following week in the same position, in the same office, doing the same screw-ups you were doing before.

Response by Capt Mark Strobl made Mar 23 at 2016 11:38 AM

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"After reviewing thousands of pages of documentation, I determined that the evidence does not support accountability action against any individual still employed by VA," --VA Deputy Secretary Sloan Gibson. No sh**, Mr. Gibson! Who's going to stand up and say, "It's me. This is my responsibility."? I'll bet it's that GS-15 with 18-yrs in "service." --You know that contract manager who has two kids in college. He cares. I'm sure. Rant over.

Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 23 at 2016 11:42 AM

2016-03-23T11:42:05-04:00

LOL my answer is CHILD ABUSE!!!! LOL

lol So governmental abuse!!!! lol

Response by PFC Alexander Oliveira made Mar 23 at 2016 11:51 AM

2016-03-23T11:51:11-04:00

because kids are not disciplined

likewise, because those who fuck up in government are not disciplined.

im not talking about getting your ass whooped by your mom as a child im talking about nobody is really held accountable...so ya that's kinda the same as the child part

Response by Capt Seid Waddell made Mar 23 at 2016 12:39 PM

2016-03-23T12:39:05-04:00

PC has destroyed normal discipline in our lives today.

Response by MCPO Roger Collins made Mar 23 at 2016 1:28 PM

2016-03-23T13:28:07-04:00

SNAFU. Dirksen is noted as saying: "A billion here, a billion there, pretty soon, you're talking real money."

Good thing we replaced Shinseki, isn't it?

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 23 at 2016 1:34 PM

2016-03-23T13:34:28-04:00

https://youtu.be/XJlU_d186TU

This adequately describes how it goes within the government. CPT Jack Durish

Same As It Ever Was

"Same As It Ever Was", Talking Heads

Response by SGT Michael Thorin made Mar 23 at 2016 2:25 PM

2016-03-23T14:25:16-04:00

This is one area in which starting at the VERY top will be beneficial.

First off, we have a younger generation who falsely believe that the job of our President is to keep all of us citizens happy and it is not. The Presidents oath is to "...preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States." It mentions nothing to the effect of keeping Michael Thorin happy, only that he is responsible that the Constitution is protected, thereby affording me the same freedoms as my fellow man. His charged "duties" as the POTUS is to ensure foreign policies exist which guarantee that those freedoms are not threatened.

Congressional members take a similar oath, but the phrase "...against all enemies, foreign and domestic." is added.

So is the same for other offices and military underneath them.

Now, the purpose of both houses of Congress is to be the voice of the people; meaning that they take requests from the citizens of their districts to their respective houses and propose laws built around those requests. Do you know that we have some Congressmen that have been in office for years, making over $200,000 a year with stipend accounts and protection who have never cast a vote, and several who could count on one hand the number of votes they cast.

Additionally, except during an election year, when has a Congressman ever been at a Town Hall Meeting and asked your suggestions on anything?

Congress is supposed to bring "our" will, the people's will to vote. They are to be our voice.

The President in the "Leader" of the free world inasmuch as he is the figurehead who is charged with ensuring the will of the people is carried out, and to be OUR CONSTITUTION'S representative when dealing with foreign nations.

An additional problem is the United States Justice System. So many laws have been passed in regards to an "employee's" rights that now "employers" have few rights when it comes to employee termination.

Why are some VA's so bad? Because it is so incredibly difficult to terminate substandard employees, so they only become more "substandard", even to the point that new employees follow their example.

Where, in my opinion, does the problem start? At the President?

To a lesser degree yes, but the biggest problem I see is in our Congress, Senators and Representatives alike.

If I did not produce at my job, would I still be employed? After so long of documented failures, absolutely. I would also not continued to get paid and face losing my retirement.

Why do we have Congressmen who continually let our Nation down? Because there is no incentive to lift us up.

I mean, we have a US Congressman who sent pictures of his penis on a government provided phone, and what was his punishment was? A little slap on the wrist followed by a polite, "try not to do this again." No pay cut, no threat of termination, no actual punishment. When he gets moved out of office, he will still receive payment for his service, and this is just one example.

In my job as a firefighter, had I done this, I would have been in direct violation of my City's policies in regards to "conduct unbecoming" and immediately terminated with no benefits.

A term or two and Congressmen are set for life, and even if voted out will still receive compensation.

That is the equivalent of being a CEO of a company and being terminated from your board, and the company still paying you $200,000 annually with benefits. A company would go bankrupt under those conditions, much like our Country is heading towards today.

If this is never stopped in Congress, we should never expect it to changes in any other level of the government, because until they see actual consequences for their actions or lack of actions, there will never be enough pressure on any Federal agency to do their job.

My take on the situation, and if you made it through to then end of this page turning comment; God bless you. I appreciate your patience.

Shot over.
Shot out.

Splash over.
Splash out.

Fire for effect!

Response by SGT Forrest Stewart made Mar 23 at 2016 4:32 PM

2016-03-23T16:32:41-04:00

Because people are afraid of the government...