Hillary Clinton claims that there were Muslims in America since George Washington was President. Is there any validity to this claim?

ENS Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 11 Oct 2016 02:01:30 -0400

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 11 at 2016 2:03 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 11 Oct 2016 02:03:53 -0400

Not that anyone would dare challenge her for fear of dying young.........of natural causes of course.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 11 at 2016 2:04 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 11 Oct 2016 02:04:53 -0400

And I'm sure she has people on her staff working on getting people to re-write the history books so that her statement will be considered accurate.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 11 at 2016 2:13 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 11 Oct 2016 02:13:59 -0400

According to this:

http://www.tolerance.org/publication/american-muslims-united-states

American Muslims in the United States | Teaching Tolerance - Diversity, Equity and Justice

The history of American Muslims goes back more than 400 years. Although some evidence suggests that there were Muslims on Columbus’ ships, the first clearly documented arrival of Muslims in America occurred in the 17th century with the arrival of slaves from Africa. Scholars estimate that anywhere from a quarter to a third of the enslaved Africans brought to the United States were Muslims. Large numbers of Moriscos (former Muslims of Spain and...

Response by Capt Seid Waddell made Oct 11 at 2016 2:17 AM

Capt Seid Waddell — Tue, 11 Oct 2016 02:17:54 -0400

Yes.

https://www.loc.gov/loc/lcib/0205/tolerance.html

The Founding Fathers and Islam (May 2002) - Library of Congress Information Bulletin

With more than 55 million items, the Library's Manuscript Division contains the papers of 23 presidents, from George Washington to Calvin Coolidge.

Response by SPC Erich Guenther made Oct 11 at 2016 4:13 AM

SPC Erich Guenther — Tue, 11 Oct 2016 04:13:12 -0400

We had Germans on our side at the Alamo along with some other ethnicities.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 11 at 2016 5:14 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 11 Oct 2016 05:14:12 -0400

I can think of ways to spin this.

Response by Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS made Oct 11 at 2016 7:29 AM

Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS — Tue, 11 Oct 2016 07:29:02 -0400

Yes, it's accurate as displayed on the meme.

As a matter of fact there was a smear campaign against Pres. Jefferson accusing him of being a Muslim.

Response by SSG Jessica Bautista made Oct 11 at 2016 7:41 AM

SSG Jessica Bautista — Tue, 11 Oct 2016 07:41:51 -0400

I think the real question is, what information are people using to try to refute this?

Response by CSM Michael J. Uhlig made Oct 11 at 2016 8:35 AM

CSM Michael J. Uhlig — Tue, 11 Oct 2016 08:35:40 -0400

You see, since the statement was made from a person whom is known to bend the truth, you have to know the field on which you are playing......too bad we don't really have Pinocchio noses, it'd show when people were full of shit.

Bottom line is that it's really all in the perspective of the one making the statement......there are more than 100 people called George Washington in our country right now.....so this liar can claim innocence or "I didn't mean the first President" when you ask her questions like "did you wipe or have the servers wiped" and when she replies - "you mean with a cloth?" well, she is masterful at the art of deception, deceit and diversion so I don't trust a damned word from her.

Response by MGySgt James Forward made Oct 11 at 2016 8:52 AM

MGySgt James Forward — Tue, 11 Oct 2016 08:52:23 -0400

Muslims living in America 200 years ago is relevant to what today? According to the articles/references most were slaves. She needs to go back to Arkansas instead of the White House. Semper Fi.

Response by CPT Jack Durish made Oct 11 at 2016 9:15 AM

CPT Jack Durish — Tue, 11 Oct 2016 09:15:03 -0400

So what if there were? What does that prove?

Response by MSgt Michael Smith made Oct 11 at 2016 10:05 AM

MSgt Michael Smith — Tue, 11 Oct 2016 10:05:04 -0400

Of course there were! Islam was a major religion 250 years ago just like it is today! Man you need to get out more.

Response by SPC Erich Guenther made Oct 11 at 2016 10:54 AM

SPC Erich Guenther — Tue, 11 Oct 2016 10:54:00 -0400

It's also interesting with all this talk about Immigration and Muslims, nobody talks about the other Elephant in the room which of course is a lot of these Islamic countries including NATO Ally Turkey do not respect U.S. Citizenship when it is first granted to a new Immigrant Nor do they recognize the change of a new citizens religion from Islam to another belief. Both are a big problem for the State Department. The U.S. Army has to contend with Turkish immigrants in that some of them cannot return to Turkey or they face arrest. Why? Because Turkey does not recognize their U.S. Citizenship and arrests them for evading the national conscription law. It's total bullshit we as a country continue to tolerate that abuse. Another example, recent Iranian journalist returns to Iran she is not only a U.S. Citizen but changed her religion from Islam. Again, U.S. Citizenship ignored and persecuted under Islamic law in Iran because Islamic law in Iran does not recognize a change in religion. In Iran once your born Muslim you can't change to anything else (violation of UN Charter). Other countries same way. Saudi Arabia, can't change your religion, once your born Islamic you are forever a Muslim (also a violation of the UN Charter). So it seems to me that these items should be prioritized as well with Immigration reform and resolved internationally.

Response by SFC George Smith made Oct 11 at 2016 11:44 AM

SFC George Smith — Tue, 11 Oct 2016 11:44:21 -0400

Have to throw the BS Flag on this one...

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 11 at 2016 12:44 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 11 Oct 2016 12:44:57 -0400

who cares , its a religion, not RACE, what if I was a MUSLIM, would everyone here just stop responding to me ? What if I believed in a damn rock ? And I do believe that the fact that we've had Muslims here for a quite some time. One of my best friends is now a Veteran but he is Muslim and I respect him no matter what. He served with me in National Guard in Afghanistan.

Response by CPT Pedro Meza made Oct 11 at 2016 2:36 PM

CPT Pedro Meza — Tue, 11 Oct 2016 14:36:06 -0400

In 1776, John Adams, one of our Founding Fathers, praised Prophet Muhammad as a “sober inquirer after truth” in his “Thoughts on Government.” Twenty-one years later, he signed the Treaty of Tripoli, which declared that the U.S. had “no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility”

Response by SGM Barry Kindred made Oct 11 at 2016 3:02 PM

SGM Barry Kindred — Tue, 11 Oct 2016 15:02:53 -0400

Yep, slave traders

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 11 at 2016 3:56 PM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 11 Oct 2016 15:56:12 -0400

Aaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnddddddddd?

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 11 at 2016 5:28 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 11 Oct 2016 17:28:23 -0400

Ok, with all due respect ENS Private RallyPoint Member, it's a moot point. Do you think she would say something like that without checking on it first? I don't. I'm not even a close fan of hers, but as she once stated...

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 11 at 2016 8:24 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 11 Oct 2016 20:24:15 -0400

It is known that there was a fairly high number of Muslims in the slave population, either because it was their religion prior to captivity or they were forced to convert if they passed through the slave trading node in Zanzibar.
Dirty, nasty history in there.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 12 at 2016 2:34 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 12 Oct 2016 02:34:46 -0400

Could be, highly doubt there were many. There's not that many now, relatively speaking.

America has had many people of many cultures and religions come here, none of it matters. You look at the Constitution and our values of freedom and if you look at those and can swear to forsake your old life and to honor the Constitution and swear allegiance to America then you're an American.

If you come here because your home nation was a shit hole and try and change America to resemble your old life then you should have never left the shit hole.

Late night musings.

Response by LTC Stephen F. made Oct 12 at 2016 3:49 PM

LTC Stephen F. — Wed, 12 Oct 2016 15:49:07 -0400

Predominantly black West-African slave-traders sold black slaves from tribes they conquered to the merchants who shipped them to the Americas primarily ENS Private RallyPoint Member. Some of those slaves were Muslim as Muslim practice dictated convert or die and many African slave traders were Muslim. Hillary would never mention the aspects of slave trading.
In the early 19th century we went to war with the Barbary Pirates who were capturing European and American sailors and selling them as slaves to Muslim leaders around the Mediterranean.
I concur with Capt Seid Waddell's and CPT Jack Durish's responses.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 12 at 2016 11:16 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 12 Oct 2016 23:16:58 -0400

Hillary will deny it next week. lol. "What I meant to say". Plead the 5th! Where is Trey Gowdy lol

Response by SGT Donald Croswhite made Oct 13 at 2016 2:34 PM

SGT Donald Croswhite — Thu, 13 Oct 2016 14:34:10 -0400

Are we really discussing the validity of this woman? She can't even get in a van.

Response by TSgt Lars Eilenfeld made Oct 13 at 2016 2:59 PM

TSgt Lars Eilenfeld — Thu, 13 Oct 2016 14:59:02 -0400

Absolutely none, Islam has been at war with the west for over I believe it's now 1400 years. It has never been nor will it ever be compatible with a Republic

Response by SP5 Mark Kuzinski made Oct 13 at 2016 5:01 PM

SP5 Mark Kuzinski — Thu, 13 Oct 2016 17:01:37 -0400

So what!!

Response by SMSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 13 at 2016 6:12 PM

SMSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 13 Oct 2016 18:12:04 -0400

Excellent question -- was curious myself -- here's what I found:

We’ve had Muslims in America since George Washington

Clinton is correct that there were Muslims in the early days of the United States – she doesn’t mention that many of them were slaves, and that George Washington likely claimed ownership of Muslims. Another slave-owning founder was Thomas Jefferson, whose Qur’an has entered congressional lore. Both Jefferson and Washington preached tolerance of religions, Islam included.

Source: (The Guardian, https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/09/presidential-debate-fact-check-donald-trump-hillary-clinton, Accessed 12OCT2016)

Debate fact-check: Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump's claims reviewed

Alan Yuhas fact-checks Trump and Clinton’s statements at the second presidential debate at Washington University in St Louis

Response by SFC Bill Snyder made Oct 14 at 2016 7:16 AM

SFC Bill Snyder — Fri, 14 Oct 2016 07:16:08 -0400

Yup, there have been Muslims in America from the very beginning. A few examples:
Who could ever forget George "Mohammad" Washington; Ben "Ali" Franklin; William "Abdul" Penn; the sewing of the American Flag by Betsy "Aroob" Ross and that terrible winter when George "Mohammad" Washington crossed the Euphrates River to rout the Kurdish Army at the Casbahs in Trenton..

Response by 1LT Christopher Sorge made Oct 14 at 2016 3:18 PM

1LT Christopher Sorge — Fri, 14 Oct 2016 15:18:12 -0400

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Response by CW4 Abdulaziz Bulling made Oct 20 at 2016 12:22 PM

CW4 Abdulaziz Bulling — Thu, 20 Oct 2016 12:22:05 -0400

Muslims have been part of the US Military and have contributed to our country and it's protection since the Revolutionary War. Records from the American Revolutionary War suggest that at least a few Muslims fought on the rebel side. Among the recorded names of soldiers are "Yusuf ben Ali" and "Bampett Muhamed". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslims_in_the_United_States_military
My father was a WW-2 veteran, and my son is an Iraq veteran. I have and would continue to solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same.

Muslims in the United States military - Wikipedia

Service by Muslims in the United States military dates back to the American Revolutionary War where records indicate that at least a few Muslims fought on the rebel side.[1]

Response by CDR Eric Ford made Oct 20 at 2016 9:51 PM

CDR Eric Ford — Thu, 20 Oct 2016 21:51:47 -0400

It's interesting to note that the Barbary Pirates used to loot the US trade ships when the US was a young Christian Nation. The US Armed Forces eventually crushed the pirates at the shores of Tripoli. These pirates were Muslim and specifically sought out Christian nations to rampage. So what is the real purpose of Hillary's statement? I don't know, but God help us all if she is placed in office.

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 27 at 2016 7:42 AM

SGM Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 27 Dec 2016 07:42:02 -0500

ENS Private RallyPoint Member, statements like this are not made in a vacuum. One should always bear in mind that politicians have a point when they make such statements, and that if a politicians lips are moving, they are lying.

Hillary the Bitch making such a statement is playing the Inclusiveness Card. And in a vacuum, the Inclusiveness Card is a good play, because inclusiveness is a good thing. But Hillary the Bitch never means inclusiveness when it comes to Deplorables. She never means Inclusiveness when it comes to taxpayers, nor does she mean it when it comes to straight, white males. And of course inclusiveness does not apply to gun owners.

Massive kudos to Capt Seid Waddell for his research and excellent citation.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 30 at 2016 2:59 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 30 Dec 2016 14:59:22 -0500

That lunatic Hillary Clinton belongs to federal prison regardless.
Regarding your main question, I hope this answers you:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_the_United_States

Islam in the United States - Wikipedia

Islam is the third largest religion in the United States after Christianity and Judaism.[1] According to a 2010 study, it is followed by 0.9% of the population, compared to 70.6% who follow Christianity, 22.8% unaffiliated, 1.9% Judaism, 0.7% Buddhism, and 0.7% Hinduism.[1][2] According to a new estimate in 2016, there are 3.3 million Muslims living in the United States, about 1% of the total U.S. population.[3]

Response by LTC John Griscom made Jan 1 at 2018 11:10 AM

LTC John Griscom — Mon, 01 Jan 2018 11:10:54 -0500

WHEN TEDDY ROOSEVELT BANNED MUSLIMS FROM AMERICA
The bill would prohibit the entry of the “entire Mohammedan world.”
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Daniel Greenfield, a Shillman Journalism Fellow at the Freedom Center, is a New York writer focusing on radical Islam.

A hundred years ago, Muslims were furious over an immigration bill whose origins lay with advocacy by a headstrong and loudmouthed Republican in the White House.

The anti-immigration bill offended the Ottoman Empire, the rotting Caliphate of Islam soon to be defeated at the hands of America and the West, by banning the entry of “all polygamists, or persons who admit their belief in the practice of polygamy.”

This, as was pointed out at the time, would prohibit the entry of the “entire Mohammedan world” into the United States.

And indeed it would.

The battle had begun earlier when President Theodore Roosevelt had declared in his State of the Union address back in 1906 that Congress needed to have the power to “deal radically and efficiently with polygamy.” The Immigration Act of 1907, signed into law by President Theodore Roosevelt, had banned “polygamists, or persons who admit their belief in the practice of polygamy.”

It was the last part that was most significant because it made clear what had only been implied.

The Immigration Act of 1891 had merely banned polygamists. The newest law banned anyone who believed in the practice of polygamy. That group included every faithful believing Muslim.

The Ottoman Empire’s representatives argued that their immigrants believed in the practice of polygamy, but wouldn’t actually take more than one wife. This argument echoes the current contention that Muslim immigrants may believe in a Jihad against non-Muslims without actually engaging in terrorism. That type of argument proved far less convincing to Americans than it does today.

These amazing facts, uncovered by @rushetteny reveal part of the long controversial history of battles over Islamic migration into America.

Muslim immigration was still slight at the time and bans on polygamy had not been created to deliberately target them, but the Muslim practice of an act repulsive to most Americans even back then pitted their cries of discrimination and victimhood against the values of the nation. The Immigration Act of 1907 had been meant to select only those immigrants who would make good Americans.

And Muslims would not.

In his 1905 State of the Union address, President Theodore Roosevelt had spoken of the need “to keep out all immigrants who will not make good American citizens.”

Unlike modern presidents, Roosevelt did not view Islam as a force for good. Instead he had described Muslims as “enemies of civilization”, writing that, “The civilization of Europe, America and Australia exists today at all only because of the victories of civilized man over the enemies of civilization", praising Charles Martel and John Sobieski for throwing back the "Moslem conquerors" whose depredations had caused Christianity to have "practically vanished from the two continents."

While today even mentioning “Radical Islam” occasions hysterical protests from the media, Theodore Roosevelt spoke and wrote casually of “the murderous outbreak of Moslem brutality” and, with a great deal of foresight offered a description of reform movements in Egypt that could have been just as well applied to the Arab Spring, describing the "mass of practically unchained bigoted Moslems to whom the movement meant driving out the foreigner, plundering and slaying the local Christian."

In sharp contrast to Obama’s infamous Cairo speech, Roosevelt’s own speech in Cairo had denounced the murder of a Coptic Christian political leader by a Muslim and warned against such violent bigotry.

Muslims had protested outside his hotel, but Teddy hadn’t cared.

The effective implementation of the latest incarnation of the ban however had to wait a year for Roosevelt’s successor, President Taft. Early in his first term, the Ottoman Empire was already protesting because its Muslims had been banned from the country. One account claimed that 200 Muslims had been denied entry into the United States.

Despite these protests, Muslims continued to face deportations over polygamy charges even under President Woodrow Wilson. And polygamy, though not belief in it, remains a basis for deportation.

Though the law today is seldom enforced.

American concerns about the intersection of Muslim immigration and polygamy had predated Roosevelt, Taft and Wilson. The issue dated back even to the previous century. An 1897 edition of the Los Angeles Herald had wondered if Muslim polygamy existed in Los Angeles. “Certainly There is No Lack of Mohammedans Whose Religion Gives the Institution Its Full Sanction,” the paper had observed.

It noted that, “immigration officials are seriously considering whether believers in polygamy are legally admissible” and cited the cases of a number of Muslims where this very same issue had come up.

A New York Times story from 1897 records that, “the first-polygamists excluded under the existing immigration laws were six Mohammedans arrived on the steamship California.”

To their misfortune, the Mohammedans encountered not President Obama, but President Herman Stump of the immigration board of inquiry. Stump, an eccentric irascible figure, had known Lincoln assassin John Wilkes Booth and had been a wanted Confederate sympathizer during the Civil War.

In the twilight of his term, Stump had little patience and tolerance for either Islam or polygamy.

The Times story relates the laconic exchange between Stump and the Muslim migrants.

“You believe in the Koran?" asked President Stump.

"Thank Allah, yes," responded the men in chorus.

“The Koran teaches polygamy?" continued the Inspector through an interpreter.

"Blessed be Allah, it does!"

"Then you believe in polygamy?" asked Captain George Ellis.

"We do. We do! Blessed be Allah, we do," chorused the Arabs, salaaming toward the setting sun.

"That settles it," said President Stump. "You won't do."

President Stump’s brand of common sense has become keenly lacking in America today.

None of the laws in question permanently settled the issue. The rise of Islamist infiltration brought with it a cleverer Taquiya. The charade that Muslims could believe one thing and do another was dishonest on the one hand and condescending on the other. It was a willful deception in which Muslims pretended that they were not serious about their religion and Americans believed them because the beliefs at stake appeared so absurd and uncivilized that they thought that no one could truly believe them.

Theodore Roosevelt knew better. But by then he was no longer in office.

Unlike today’s talk of a ban on Muslim migration from terror states, laws were not being made to target Muslims. Yet Muslims were the likeliest group of foreigners to be affected by them. Even a hundred years ago, Islam was proving to be fundamentally in conflict with American values. Then, as now, there were two options. The first was to pretend that there was no conflict. The second was to avert it with a ban.

A century ago and more, the nation had leaders who were not willing to dwell in the twilight of illusions, but who grappled with problems when they saw them. They saw civilization as fragile and vulnerable. They understood that the failure to address a conflict would mean a loss to the “enemies of civilization”.

Debates over polygamy may seem quaint today, but yet the subject was a revealing one. Islamic polygamy was one example of the slavery so ubiquitous in Islam. The enslavement of people is at the heart of Islam. As we have seen with ISIS, Islamic violence is driven by the base need to enslave and oppress. Polygamy, like honor killings and FGM, is an expression of that fundamental impulse within the private social context of the home, but as Theodore Roosevelt and others understood, it would not stay there. If we understand that, then we can understand why these debates were not quaint at all.

American leaders of a century past could not reconcile themselves to Islamic polygamy. Yet our modern leaders have reconciled themselves to the Islamic mass murder of Americans.

Thus it always is. When you close your eyes to one evil, you come to accept them all.

Response by Lt Col Jim Coe made Jan 1 at 2018 12:14 PM

Lt Col Jim Coe — Mon, 01 Jan 2018 12:14:58 -0500

Without checking all the facts, I would say it's possible. Early slave traders and the captains of some slave ships were Muslims. The "Arabs" captured Black Africans, who themselves may have been Muslim, and sold them into slavery. Some of those slave traders may have made the trip to North America or the Caribbean with their charges to collect the proceeds from the ultimate sale of the Africans. Shameful business, but it might have brought Muslim slave traders to the US--or parts of North America that would become the US--during the 1700s. The second POTUS learned a lot about Muslims during the Barbary Pirates conflict in the early 1800s.