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With Barack Obama still in power, the Dems have a brand-new plan targeting your firearms. https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/hey-gun-owners-guess-what-with-barack-obama-still-in-power-the-dems-have-a-brand-new-plan-targeting-your-firearms <div class="images-v2-count-1"><div class="content-picture image-v2-number-1" id="image-65675"> <div class="social_icons social-buttons-on-image"> <a href='https://www.facebook.com/sharer/sharer.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rallypoint.com%2Fanswers%2Fhey-gun-owners-guess-what-with-barack-obama-still-in-power-the-dems-have-a-brand-new-plan-targeting-your-firearms%3Futm_source%3DFacebook%26utm_medium%3Dorganic%26utm_campaign%3DShare%20to%20facebook' target="_blank" class='social-share-button facebook-share-button'><i class="fa fa-facebook-f"></i></a> <a href="https://twitter.com/intent/tweet?text=Hey+Gun+Owners%21+Guess+What%3F+With+Barack+Obama+still+in+power%2C+the+Dems+have+a+brand-new+plan+targeting+your+firearms.&amp;url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rallypoint.com%2Fanswers%2Fhey-gun-owners-guess-what-with-barack-obama-still-in-power-the-dems-have-a-brand-new-plan-targeting-your-firearms&amp;via=RallyPoint" target="_blank" class="social-share-button twitter-custom-share-button"><i class="fa fa-twitter"></i></a> <a href="mailto:?subject=Check this out on RallyPoint!&body=Hi, I thought you would find this interesting:%0D%0AHey Gun Owners! 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With Barack Obama still in power, the Dems have a brand-new plan targeting your firearms.%0D%0A %0D%0AHere is the link: https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/hey-gun-owners-guess-what-with-barack-obama-still-in-power-the-dems-have-a-brand-new-plan-targeting-your-firearms" target="_blank" class="social-share-button email-share-button"><i class="fa fa-envelope"></i></a> </div> <a class="fancybox" rel="d0e9349a040caeb67ee7f475f0532f2b" href="https://d1ndsj6b8hkqu9.cloudfront.net/pictures/images/000/065/675/for_gallery_v2/242ba87.jpeg"><img src="https://d1ndsj6b8hkqu9.cloudfront.net/pictures/images/000/065/675/large_v3/242ba87.jpeg" alt="242ba87" /></a></div></div>DEMOCRATS&#39; PLAN TO PUT ATF ON STEROIDS<br />Data collection on legal gun owners, enhanced firearms regulation<br /><br />The highly influential Center for American Progress, which has deep ties to the Obama administration and Hillary Clinton, recently released an extensive report calling for the nation’s lead agency on gun regulation to be merged into the FBI.<br /><br />The generalities of the center’s 182-page report were widely covered by media upon its release last May. However, the details in the report were largely unmentioned, including by conservative media agencies.<br /><br />The center’s report explains how merging the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, or ATF, into the FBI can result in more a proactive approach to gun regulation. That would include stepping up the collection of trace data on gun owners; more policing of sales at gun shows and the Internet; and enhanced gun regulation functions.<br /><br />The report and other recent center recommendations may provide a window into the thinking of a future Clinton administration, with Clinton taking a strong anti-gun stance as part of her presidential campaign.<br /><br />CAP was founded by John Podesta, who directed Obama’s transition into the White House in 2009 and served as White House counselor until earlier this year, when he took on the role of chairman of Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign.<br /><br />The ATF’s primary mission is supposed to be to police the illegal market of guns and to target the criminal use of weapons.<br /><br />Glenn Beck’s “Control: Exposing the Truth About Guns” a passionate, fact-based case for guns that reveals why gun control isn’t about controlling guns<br /><br />However, the CAP report finds the ATF is “struggling” to successfully carry out its core functions. The report cites inadequate oversight and accountability throughout the agency, limited resources, operating restrictions and what it claims is a lack of effective coordination with other law enforcement agencies, especially the FBI.<br /><br />Collecting data<br /><br />The center says a merger with the FBI will allow the federal government to more effectively address interstate firearms trafficking, particularly by stepping up the collection of data on legal gun owners. The data collection, the report claims, is intended to be used “to identify patterns and trends in the movement of crime guns around the country and to develop innovative investigations into trafficking networks based on these data.”<br /><br />The report laments that “to the extent that agents have taken on trafficking cases, they have largely focused on reactive cases, meaning that they often pursue these cases after a major gun crime has been committed.”<br /><br />Instead, CAP recommends the stepped-up collection of data on gun owners, with particular focus on the eTrace system.<br /><br />ETrace does not electronically tag any of the guns. It serves as an online database that contains all registered information for each gun, including the personal information for all registered owners as well as whether law enforcement has information the gun was ever used in a crime. In essence, eTrace is a giant firearms monitoring database.<br /><br />The gun only traces legal owners. Once a gun enters the black market, the system cannot provide future information on a firearm unless the weapon is retrieved in a crime or once again enters into official registration.<br /><br />Policing gun shows, Internet sales<br /><br />The CAP report concludes the ATF is lapsing in its ability to police gun shows using current law, which stipulates it is illegal for individuals to sell guns to those who they know or have reason to suspect are prohibited from gun possession.<br /><br />The ATF is also falling behind, the report says, in regulating the sale of guns by individuals who conduct the sale “as a regular course of trade or business with the principal objective of livelihood and profit” without first obtaining an ATF federal firearms.<br /><br />The bureau “has only attempted sporadic enforcement efforts at gun shows and on the Internet, and it does not seem to have a concerted strategy to address gun trafficking via these venues,” the report finds.<br /><br />The ATF is also not currently giving enough priority to “looking for signs of diversion and identifying high-risk dealers,” adds the report.<br /><br />The CAP paper was authored by the group’s vice president on guns and crime policy, Chelsea Parsons, and by its senior vice president, Arkadi Gerney.<br /><br />Gerney previously worked as special adviser and first deputy criminal justice coordinator for former New York City Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg, where Gerney managed Bloomberg’s national anti-gun campaign, Mayors Against Illegal Guns.<br /><br />Previous Democrat attempts<br /><br />The center is not the first to recommend that the ATF merge with the FBI. In 1993, Vice President Al Gore conducted a National Performance Review which concluded that the ATF should be absorbed by the FBI to end what the report said was the “fragmentation and jurisdictional overlap” between the agencies. The review said such a merger “will result in a more unified, comprehensive and coordinated attack on criminal enterprises.”<br /><br />Also in 1993, Rep. John Conyers Jr., D-Mich., who has a long history of close ties to the Democratic Socialists of America, or DSA, introduced a bill calling for the transfer of the ATF’s firearms regulation function to the FBI.<br /><br />The ATF has previously been a part of other government agencies. It was originally founded as an arm of the Department of the Treasury to collect taxes on spirits and tobacco products. It was transferred to the Justice Department via the Homeland Security Act in 2002.<br /><br />A DOJ spokesman told the Washington Post in May that the agency “supports ATF in its current form and believes Congress should fully fund the president’s budget request that will enhance ATF’s ability to carry out their important mission.”<br /><br />‘Fast and Furious,’ fraudulent stats and eTrace<br /><br />Project Gunrunner, the controversial ATF program that aimed to stem the flow of firearms into Mexico, under the Obama administration has contributed to fraudulent statistics apparently targeting U.S. gun owners.<br /><br />In February 2008, William Hoover, ATF assistant director for field operations, testified before Congress that more than 90 percent of the firearms that have been recovered in or intercepted in transport to Mexico originated from various sources within the U.S.<br /><br />Hoover’s statistics officially were released by the ATF and subsequently were cited in a flurry of media reports claiming the vast majority of illicit firearms in Mexico originate in the U.S.<br /><br />The U.S. Government Accountability Office also used the ATF’s 90 percent statistic in an official report to Congress about American firearms. The Justice Department even incorporated the data in several of its programs.<br /><br />After a series of independent reports contradicted the ATF claims, however, the bureau then admitted in November 2010 that its 90 percent figure cited to Congress “could be misleading” because it applied only to the small portion of guns verified through its eTrace system, the Internet-based firearm database that Project Gunrunner was built around.<br /><br />The ATF admitted its statistics were based on the guns it traced, all of which originated in the U.S., thus skewing the data.<br /><br />Project Gunrunner was launched under President Bush as a bipartisan effort in 2005. It began as a pilot run by ATF in conjunction with the Justice Department and the FBI.<br /><br />While the operation was run by a few dozen officers under Bush, it received an infusion of cash from the Obama administration, becoming a full-time project staffed by more than 200.<br /><br />As WND previously reported, tucked away inside Obama’s stimulus was $10 million in funding for the ATF’s Project Gunrunner. This is in addition to $11 million already provided to the program under Obama and another $12 million more requested by the White House for the end of 2011.<br /><br />Project Gunrunner is purportedly meant to stop the sale and export of U.S. guns to Mexico by denying Mexican drug cartels firearms. However, the project allegedly has resulted in allowing thousands of guns to cross into Mexico, where many of the weapons currently are untraceable and in the hands of Mexican criminals.<br /><br />The same guns run into Mexico under the Project Gunrunner scheme have been recovered from crime scenes in Arizona and throughout Mexico.<br /><br />One gun recovered is allegedly the weapon used to murder Customs and Border Protection Agent Brian Terry on Dec. 14, 2010.<br /><br />The entire project revolves around tracing the U.S. guns that are allowed into Mexico using the eTrace system.<br /><br />The ATF repeatedly has stated its tracing system was not designed to collect statistics. Still, the agency used information it claimed to have garnered from Project Gunrunner to release what turned out to be highly misleading information about U.S. guns. <div class="pta-link-card answers-template-image type-default"> <div class="pta-link-card-picture"> <img src="https://d26horl2n8pviu.cloudfront.net/link_data_pictures/images/000/026/972/qrc/guns.jpg?1445998799"> </div> <div class="pta-link-card-content"> <p class="pta-link-card-title"> <a target="blank" href="http://www.wnd.com/2015/10/dem-plan-to-put-atf-on-steroids/#R1dIevdOYIIIr2i4.99"> Democrats’ plan to put ATF on steroids</a> </p> <p class="pta-link-card-description">var icx_publication_id = 16633;var icx_content_id = 2575095;.icx-toolbar{padding: 0 0 5px 0;}The highly influential Center for American Progress, which has deep ties to the Obama administration and Hillary Clinton, recently released an extensive report calling for the nation’s lead agency on gun regulation to be merged into the FBI.The generalities of the center’s 182-page report were [...]</p> </div> <div class="clearfix"></div> </div> Tue, 27 Oct 2015 22:22:43 -0400 Hey Gun Owners! 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With Barack Obama still in power, the Dems have a brand-new plan targeting your firearms. https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/hey-gun-owners-guess-what-with-barack-obama-still-in-power-the-dems-have-a-brand-new-plan-targeting-your-firearms <div class="images-v2-count-1"><div class="content-picture image-v2-number-1" id="image-65675"> <div class="social_icons social-buttons-on-image"> <a href='https://www.facebook.com/sharer/sharer.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rallypoint.com%2Fanswers%2Fhey-gun-owners-guess-what-with-barack-obama-still-in-power-the-dems-have-a-brand-new-plan-targeting-your-firearms%3Futm_source%3DFacebook%26utm_medium%3Dorganic%26utm_campaign%3DShare%20to%20facebook' target="_blank" class='social-share-button facebook-share-button'><i class="fa fa-facebook-f"></i></a> <a href="https://twitter.com/intent/tweet?text=Hey+Gun+Owners%21+Guess+What%3F+With+Barack+Obama+still+in+power%2C+the+Dems+have+a+brand-new+plan+targeting+your+firearms.&amp;url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rallypoint.com%2Fanswers%2Fhey-gun-owners-guess-what-with-barack-obama-still-in-power-the-dems-have-a-brand-new-plan-targeting-your-firearms&amp;via=RallyPoint" target="_blank" class="social-share-button twitter-custom-share-button"><i class="fa fa-twitter"></i></a> <a href="mailto:?subject=Check this out on RallyPoint!&body=Hi, I thought you would find this interesting:%0D%0AHey Gun Owners! 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With Barack Obama still in power, the Dems have a brand-new plan targeting your firearms.%0D%0A %0D%0AHere is the link: https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/hey-gun-owners-guess-what-with-barack-obama-still-in-power-the-dems-have-a-brand-new-plan-targeting-your-firearms" target="_blank" class="social-share-button email-share-button"><i class="fa fa-envelope"></i></a> </div> <a class="fancybox" rel="a5a1cb9ccc6e6d621f96ed4e84aaa7f2" href="https://d1ndsj6b8hkqu9.cloudfront.net/pictures/images/000/065/675/for_gallery_v2/242ba87.jpeg"><img src="https://d1ndsj6b8hkqu9.cloudfront.net/pictures/images/000/065/675/large_v3/242ba87.jpeg" alt="242ba87" /></a></div></div>DEMOCRATS&#39; PLAN TO PUT ATF ON STEROIDS<br />Data collection on legal gun owners, enhanced firearms regulation<br /><br />The highly influential Center for American Progress, which has deep ties to the Obama administration and Hillary Clinton, recently released an extensive report calling for the nation’s lead agency on gun regulation to be merged into the FBI.<br /><br />The generalities of the center’s 182-page report were widely covered by media upon its release last May. However, the details in the report were largely unmentioned, including by conservative media agencies.<br /><br />The center’s report explains how merging the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, or ATF, into the FBI can result in more a proactive approach to gun regulation. That would include stepping up the collection of trace data on gun owners; more policing of sales at gun shows and the Internet; and enhanced gun regulation functions.<br /><br />The report and other recent center recommendations may provide a window into the thinking of a future Clinton administration, with Clinton taking a strong anti-gun stance as part of her presidential campaign.<br /><br />CAP was founded by John Podesta, who directed Obama’s transition into the White House in 2009 and served as White House counselor until earlier this year, when he took on the role of chairman of Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign.<br /><br />The ATF’s primary mission is supposed to be to police the illegal market of guns and to target the criminal use of weapons.<br /><br />Glenn Beck’s “Control: Exposing the Truth About Guns” a passionate, fact-based case for guns that reveals why gun control isn’t about controlling guns<br /><br />However, the CAP report finds the ATF is “struggling” to successfully carry out its core functions. The report cites inadequate oversight and accountability throughout the agency, limited resources, operating restrictions and what it claims is a lack of effective coordination with other law enforcement agencies, especially the FBI.<br /><br />Collecting data<br /><br />The center says a merger with the FBI will allow the federal government to more effectively address interstate firearms trafficking, particularly by stepping up the collection of data on legal gun owners. The data collection, the report claims, is intended to be used “to identify patterns and trends in the movement of crime guns around the country and to develop innovative investigations into trafficking networks based on these data.”<br /><br />The report laments that “to the extent that agents have taken on trafficking cases, they have largely focused on reactive cases, meaning that they often pursue these cases after a major gun crime has been committed.”<br /><br />Instead, CAP recommends the stepped-up collection of data on gun owners, with particular focus on the eTrace system.<br /><br />ETrace does not electronically tag any of the guns. It serves as an online database that contains all registered information for each gun, including the personal information for all registered owners as well as whether law enforcement has information the gun was ever used in a crime. In essence, eTrace is a giant firearms monitoring database.<br /><br />The gun only traces legal owners. Once a gun enters the black market, the system cannot provide future information on a firearm unless the weapon is retrieved in a crime or once again enters into official registration.<br /><br />Policing gun shows, Internet sales<br /><br />The CAP report concludes the ATF is lapsing in its ability to police gun shows using current law, which stipulates it is illegal for individuals to sell guns to those who they know or have reason to suspect are prohibited from gun possession.<br /><br />The ATF is also falling behind, the report says, in regulating the sale of guns by individuals who conduct the sale “as a regular course of trade or business with the principal objective of livelihood and profit” without first obtaining an ATF federal firearms.<br /><br />The bureau “has only attempted sporadic enforcement efforts at gun shows and on the Internet, and it does not seem to have a concerted strategy to address gun trafficking via these venues,” the report finds.<br /><br />The ATF is also not currently giving enough priority to “looking for signs of diversion and identifying high-risk dealers,” adds the report.<br /><br />The CAP paper was authored by the group’s vice president on guns and crime policy, Chelsea Parsons, and by its senior vice president, Arkadi Gerney.<br /><br />Gerney previously worked as special adviser and first deputy criminal justice coordinator for former New York City Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg, where Gerney managed Bloomberg’s national anti-gun campaign, Mayors Against Illegal Guns.<br /><br />Previous Democrat attempts<br /><br />The center is not the first to recommend that the ATF merge with the FBI. In 1993, Vice President Al Gore conducted a National Performance Review which concluded that the ATF should be absorbed by the FBI to end what the report said was the “fragmentation and jurisdictional overlap” between the agencies. The review said such a merger “will result in a more unified, comprehensive and coordinated attack on criminal enterprises.”<br /><br />Also in 1993, Rep. John Conyers Jr., D-Mich., who has a long history of close ties to the Democratic Socialists of America, or DSA, introduced a bill calling for the transfer of the ATF’s firearms regulation function to the FBI.<br /><br />The ATF has previously been a part of other government agencies. It was originally founded as an arm of the Department of the Treasury to collect taxes on spirits and tobacco products. It was transferred to the Justice Department via the Homeland Security Act in 2002.<br /><br />A DOJ spokesman told the Washington Post in May that the agency “supports ATF in its current form and believes Congress should fully fund the president’s budget request that will enhance ATF’s ability to carry out their important mission.”<br /><br />‘Fast and Furious,’ fraudulent stats and eTrace<br /><br />Project Gunrunner, the controversial ATF program that aimed to stem the flow of firearms into Mexico, under the Obama administration has contributed to fraudulent statistics apparently targeting U.S. gun owners.<br /><br />In February 2008, William Hoover, ATF assistant director for field operations, testified before Congress that more than 90 percent of the firearms that have been recovered in or intercepted in transport to Mexico originated from various sources within the U.S.<br /><br />Hoover’s statistics officially were released by the ATF and subsequently were cited in a flurry of media reports claiming the vast majority of illicit firearms in Mexico originate in the U.S.<br /><br />The U.S. Government Accountability Office also used the ATF’s 90 percent statistic in an official report to Congress about American firearms. The Justice Department even incorporated the data in several of its programs.<br /><br />After a series of independent reports contradicted the ATF claims, however, the bureau then admitted in November 2010 that its 90 percent figure cited to Congress “could be misleading” because it applied only to the small portion of guns verified through its eTrace system, the Internet-based firearm database that Project Gunrunner was built around.<br /><br />The ATF admitted its statistics were based on the guns it traced, all of which originated in the U.S., thus skewing the data.<br /><br />Project Gunrunner was launched under President Bush as a bipartisan effort in 2005. It began as a pilot run by ATF in conjunction with the Justice Department and the FBI.<br /><br />While the operation was run by a few dozen officers under Bush, it received an infusion of cash from the Obama administration, becoming a full-time project staffed by more than 200.<br /><br />As WND previously reported, tucked away inside Obama’s stimulus was $10 million in funding for the ATF’s Project Gunrunner. This is in addition to $11 million already provided to the program under Obama and another $12 million more requested by the White House for the end of 2011.<br /><br />Project Gunrunner is purportedly meant to stop the sale and export of U.S. guns to Mexico by denying Mexican drug cartels firearms. However, the project allegedly has resulted in allowing thousands of guns to cross into Mexico, where many of the weapons currently are untraceable and in the hands of Mexican criminals.<br /><br />The same guns run into Mexico under the Project Gunrunner scheme have been recovered from crime scenes in Arizona and throughout Mexico.<br /><br />One gun recovered is allegedly the weapon used to murder Customs and Border Protection Agent Brian Terry on Dec. 14, 2010.<br /><br />The entire project revolves around tracing the U.S. guns that are allowed into Mexico using the eTrace system.<br /><br />The ATF repeatedly has stated its tracing system was not designed to collect statistics. Still, the agency used information it claimed to have garnered from Project Gunrunner to release what turned out to be highly misleading information about U.S. guns. <div class="pta-link-card answers-template-image type-default"> <div class="pta-link-card-picture"> <img src="https://d26horl2n8pviu.cloudfront.net/link_data_pictures/images/000/026/972/qrc/guns.jpg?1445998799"> </div> <div class="pta-link-card-content"> <p class="pta-link-card-title"> <a target="blank" href="http://www.wnd.com/2015/10/dem-plan-to-put-atf-on-steroids/#R1dIevdOYIIIr2i4.99"> Democrats’ plan to put ATF on steroids</a> </p> <p class="pta-link-card-description">var icx_publication_id = 16633;var icx_content_id = 2575095;.icx-toolbar{padding: 0 0 5px 0;}The highly influential Center for American Progress, which has deep ties to the Obama administration and Hillary Clinton, recently released an extensive report calling for the nation’s lead agency on gun regulation to be merged into the FBI.The generalities of the center’s 182-page report were [...]</p> </div> <div class="clearfix"></div> </div> SGT Private RallyPoint Member Tue, 27 Oct 2015 22:22:43 -0400 2015-10-27T22:22:43-04:00 Response by Capt Walter Miller made Oct 27 at 2015 10:26 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/hey-gun-owners-guess-what-with-barack-obama-still-in-power-the-dems-have-a-brand-new-plan-targeting-your-firearms?n=1070592&urlhash=1070592 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>World News Daily?<br /><br />Consider the source.<br /><br />Walt Capt Walter Miller Tue, 27 Oct 2015 22:26:36 -0400 2015-10-27T22:26:36-04:00 Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 27 at 2015 10:30 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/hey-gun-owners-guess-what-with-barack-obama-still-in-power-the-dems-have-a-brand-new-plan-targeting-your-firearms?n=1070600&urlhash=1070600 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>One has to wonder about motives and intent. It does get confusing. Trouble concentrating but I manage.<br /> SSgt Private RallyPoint Member Tue, 27 Oct 2015 22:30:55 -0400 2015-10-27T22:30:55-04:00 Response by Capt Seid Waddell made Oct 27 at 2015 10:54 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/hey-gun-owners-guess-what-with-barack-obama-still-in-power-the-dems-have-a-brand-new-plan-targeting-your-firearms?n=1070648&urlhash=1070648 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>The IRS and the FBI have been weaponized for use against Obama&#39;s opponents - why not the ATF? Capt Seid Waddell Tue, 27 Oct 2015 22:54:14 -0400 2015-10-27T22:54:14-04:00 Response by SrA Art Siatkowsky made Oct 28 at 2015 12:19 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/hey-gun-owners-guess-what-with-barack-obama-still-in-power-the-dems-have-a-brand-new-plan-targeting-your-firearms?n=1070755&urlhash=1070755 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>The source is as good as any liberal source for information ...funny how liberals claim a faulty source when their sources are just as biased. <br />I suspect that Obamas plan for a national police force would be to obvious since we all remember the gestapo so he is going to utilize the secret service as a tool to enforce unconstitutional gun control laws. I am not talking about common sense laws like background checks but I went to a few gun shows and had to submit for a background check for any purchases.<br />A great documentary type show about the way illegal guns get into the hands of criminals is nat geo Underworld Inc. They show these 45 replicas being made in Costa Rico in the jungles....no serial numbers...then transported to several middle men before ending up on our streets off everyone's radar. SrA Art Siatkowsky Wed, 28 Oct 2015 00:19:26 -0400 2015-10-28T00:19:26-04:00 Response by Cpl Chris Rice made Oct 28 at 2015 7:22 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/hey-gun-owners-guess-what-with-barack-obama-still-in-power-the-dems-have-a-brand-new-plan-targeting-your-firearms?n=1070977&urlhash=1070977 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>This response does not meet my personal standards for my own conduct and thus I have removed its contents. Please accept my apologies, I was working, and attempting to finish a heavy course load, and was using this site to vent. This is not make poor and unprofessional statements excusable; this is just the situation, I will take pause before I post in the future. Cpl Chris Rice Wed, 28 Oct 2015 07:22:17 -0400 2015-10-28T07:22:17-04:00 Response by PO1 John Miller made Oct 28 at 2015 8:43 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/hey-gun-owners-guess-what-with-barack-obama-still-in-power-the-dems-have-a-brand-new-plan-targeting-your-firearms?n=1071069&urlhash=1071069 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div><br />If true (I haven&#39;t yet tried to verify this story on multiple sources), are we surprised that the administration is stepping up its anti-gun campaign?<br /><br />Here&#39;s the real kicker: &quot;The center says a merger with the FBI will allow the federal government to more effectively address interstate firearms trafficking, particularly by stepping up the collection of data on legal gun owners. The data collection, the report claims, is intended to be used “to identify patterns and trends in the movement of crime guns around the country and to develop innovative investigations into trafficking networks based on these data.”&quot; Excuse me, but how is tracking the information of legal owners going to stem the flow of illegal weapons/owners? PO1 John Miller Wed, 28 Oct 2015 08:43:38 -0400 2015-10-28T08:43:38-04:00 Response by PO3 Steven Sherrill made Oct 28 at 2015 10:42 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/hey-gun-owners-guess-what-with-barack-obama-still-in-power-the-dems-have-a-brand-new-plan-targeting-your-firearms?n=1071361&urlhash=1071361 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>This is fucking stupid. A gun owner who legally purchases a firearm is not the fucking problem. The problem is the assholes with illegal firearms that use them for illegal activities. Instead of HARASSING Law abiding U.S. Citizens, maybe these morons should try doing their damned job and taking illegal firearms off the streets. Maybe they should be cracking down on that. Problem is they are LAZY. Too lazy to solve real crime so instead they focus on those of us who buy our weapons legally. PO3 Steven Sherrill Wed, 28 Oct 2015 10:42:35 -0400 2015-10-28T10:42:35-04:00 Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Oct 28 at 2015 10:53 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/hey-gun-owners-guess-what-with-barack-obama-still-in-power-the-dems-have-a-brand-new-plan-targeting-your-firearms?n=1071390&urlhash=1071390 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Is this before or after our grandmothers are executed by the death panels? Will they be headquartered in the FEMA death camps? Is this being done in conjunction with sharia law replacing the constitution? Man.. he sure has his hands full with all these world domination schemes... Hopefully he has sharks with lasers attached to their heads to help... SFC Michael Hasbun Wed, 28 Oct 2015 10:53:14 -0400 2015-10-28T10:53:14-04:00 Response by MAJ Ron Peery made Oct 28 at 2015 11:08 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/hey-gun-owners-guess-what-with-barack-obama-still-in-power-the-dems-have-a-brand-new-plan-targeting-your-firearms?n=1071419&urlhash=1071419 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>You know, the really sad thing, the thing that really makes me angry, is that law enforcement KNOWS who the criminals are, and generally where they are. But as often as the police pick the scumbags up, the lawyers and courts fail to punish them. They are plea bargained out, or placed on probation, or simply released. And they go right back out and commit more crimes. They get progressively more destructive, and no one does a thing to stop them. And when they finally kill some innocent person, the media and the &quot;progressives&quot; blame honest gun owners. <br /><br />Target the gangs.<br />Force the courts to do their jobs<br />Use deadly force when necessary.<br />It is time we recognized habitual criminals for the terrorists they are, and treated them accordingly. MAJ Ron Peery Wed, 28 Oct 2015 11:08:00 -0400 2015-10-28T11:08:00-04:00 Response by COL Ted Mc made Oct 28 at 2015 1:52 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/hey-gun-owners-guess-what-with-barack-obama-still-in-power-the-dems-have-a-brand-new-plan-targeting-your-firearms?n=1071933&urlhash=1071933 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div><a class="dark-link bold-link" role="profile-hover" data-qtip-container="body" data-id="520566" data-source-page-controller="question_response_contents" href="/profiles/520566-11b2p-infantryman-airborne">SGT Private RallyPoint Member</a> - Sergeant; While I don't support any "Big Brother" police agency, the proliferation of special purpose agencies all squabbling over the same budget pie and refusing to cooperate with each other so as to increase the share of the budget pie that they receive has got to stop.<br /><br />I would like to point out one small inaccuracy in the article and that is that the "eTrace" system does more than JUST track "legal gun owners". The "eTrace" system allows for reverse histories to be obtained on guns which were, at one time, in the hands of "legal gun owners" but ended up being used in crimes. In some cases this has enabled the police to identify "legal gun owners" who were purchasing as many as twenty of the same handgun at the same time from the sale "legal gun owner" - and doing so repeatedly.<br /><br />You might be interested in taking a look at the linked news article.<br /><br /><a target="_blank" href="http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2015/10/finding-a-gun-store-guilty-of-negligence/410572/">http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2015/10/finding-a-gun-store-guilty-of-negligence/410572/</a> <div class="pta-link-card answers-template-image type-default"> <div class="pta-link-card-picture"> <img src="https://d26horl2n8pviu.cloudfront.net/link_data_pictures/images/000/027/055/qrc/facebook.jpg?1446054710"> </div> <div class="pta-link-card-content"> <p class="pta-link-card-title"> <a target="blank" href="http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2015/10/finding-a-gun-store-guilty-of-negligence/410572/">A Gun Store Guilty of Negligence</a> </p> <p class="pta-link-card-description">Two Milwaukee police officers successfully sued a firearms dealer for more than $5 million after they were shot with a weapon that was bought illegally.</p> </div> <div class="clearfix"></div> </div> COL Ted Mc Wed, 28 Oct 2015 13:52:46 -0400 2015-10-28T13:52:46-04:00 Response by SSG Richard Reilly made Oct 29 at 2015 2:33 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/hey-gun-owners-guess-what-with-barack-obama-still-in-power-the-dems-have-a-brand-new-plan-targeting-your-firearms?n=1074762&urlhash=1074762 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Truthfully I don&#39;t agree with limiting what you can have. I don&#39;t believe our laws are good now either.<br /><br />1. Registration...full and complete. That doesn&#39;t limit what you can own just that we know you own it.<br />2. Hold owners responsible. If your gun is used in a crime and it is not reported stolen you can be prosecuted.<br />3. Include ballistic test in registration to ensure easy match up with crimes.<br />4. Intensify punishments for crimes that a weapon is used in. (Max Mins)<br /><br />Lets hold owners, sellers, and buyers accounable of illegal use of guns. Lets hold criminals accountable. You wouldn&#39;t take hamburgers from mcdonalds because people are fat. you would hold the fat asses responsible for their own actions. SSG Richard Reilly Thu, 29 Oct 2015 14:33:04 -0400 2015-10-29T14:33:04-04:00 Response by SSG John Jensen made Oct 30 at 2015 7:02 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/hey-gun-owners-guess-what-with-barack-obama-still-in-power-the-dems-have-a-brand-new-plan-targeting-your-firearms?n=1077953&urlhash=1077953 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>There is a national list - it's the NRA mailing list, and they will sell that list in a heartbeat. SSG John Jensen Fri, 30 Oct 2015 19:02:18 -0400 2015-10-30T19:02:18-04:00 Response by CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 12 at 2021 12:30 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/hey-gun-owners-guess-what-with-barack-obama-still-in-power-the-dems-have-a-brand-new-plan-targeting-your-firearms?n=6654367&urlhash=6654367 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Legal owners should still have concern, but not as much as illegal owners. They don&#39;t care about laws and will still break them. They may go after assault weapons, but some don&#39;t even know what those are. We already have laws for screening purchases, but again bad actors will find a workaround. Any attempts to seize arms from legal owners will be met with strong resistance, either in the courts or at the front door of one&#39;s domicile. CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member Tue, 12 Jan 2021 12:30:44 -0500 2021-01-12T12:30:44-05:00 Response by SSG Edward Tilton made Jul 29 at 2021 10:50 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/hey-gun-owners-guess-what-with-barack-obama-still-in-power-the-dems-have-a-brand-new-plan-targeting-your-firearms?n=7142279&urlhash=7142279 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Yes, they plan to have ATF do their job. Trump would never tolerate that SSG Edward Tilton Thu, 29 Jul 2021 10:50:36 -0400 2021-07-29T10:50:36-04:00 2015-10-27T22:22:43-04:00