Have the women with combat jobs in the Rangers and Special Forces actually been fighting along side men?

2022-06-11T18:15:49-04:00

Have the women with combat jobs and have made it to the Ranger Regiment and Special Forces actually been fighting along side men, or have they been just for show?

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 11 at 2022 8:54 PM

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Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 12 at 2022 10:31 PM

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I am not sure how you are looking at this. I have served with females that were among the best officers in my unit. I would even say better than me in most areas. I can also say that there have been men that have served in positions that they were not prepared for. We need to stop looking at gender like we stopped looking at race in the past. We shouldn't be questioning a course or the Army in general by thinking they just want a diversity win.

Response by SSgt Christophe Murphy made Jun 13 at 2022 12:33 PM

2022-06-13T12:33:46-04:00

What are you trying to figure out? Women have been serving in Combat consistently for decades. It's been happening for a good long while. Are you wanting to know if female Rangers are door kicking or is this more general? Even before SECDEF opened up all jobs to females we had female engagement teams out there doing their thing shoulder to shoulder supporting infantry units.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 13 at 2022 1:03 PM

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There are probably way more males that finished all those SF schools that haven't seen combat than females with the same credentials.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 13 at 2022 3:19 PM

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When is the last time the 75th deployed to active fighting?

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 15 at 2022 11:05 AM

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Why will you question them? Are you mad maybe because you could not do it??

Response by MAJ Byron Oyler made Jun 19 at 2022 5:38 PM

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Good question but I do not believe you will get enough people to read what you wrote and understand you are asking about women with SF and Ranger tabs seeing action and not women in general.

Response by SSG Gregg Mourizen made Jun 27 at 2022 6:13 PM

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I find it strange how there are so many people responding with negative comments or circumventing the question all together. Hell, I served along side many women, who II would have gladly stood beside in a combat or peace keeping role.
Obviously, women have been serving along side men, since the beginning. There are many examples of women serving along side of men. I have seen many example of women, holding support positions, working beside SF operations, without the designation. Often doing the same work.

That wasn't the question.
Reading it,
I expected to see real yes or no answers, hopefully, with examples.
I hoped to see examples of female soldiers serving in SF, Ranger Regiments, RECON, SOF... excelling in their field.
-Are these women getting a fair shake? Equal opportunities?
-Are they, as one responder described it, only being allowed to hold 'Token' positions?
-Are these women excelling in these advanced positions. Again examples would be nice.
-Are these women finding special niches for themselves where their smaller size and strength, would be more of a benefit, over the larger, stronger men? For example Tunnels, confined spaces, Close courters combat, Demolitions, MOUT...etc.

These are just a few of the more specific questions I would love to hear the answer to. Answers, I am assuming the original poster was looking for. I don't think he was asking a history question.
How is this special, current issue of integrating women into these specialty fields really going?

I do have to admit, the Little Big horn example was kind of interesting.

Response by Cpl Rosemarie SantaAnna made Aug 15 at 2022 2:00 AM

2022-08-15T02:00:23-04:00

As Marine, we learned past woman who opened door for us to be trained close as a man trains…
Most woman never intended to be active during war but stepping up is what Heart & natural action…

Response by MAJ Ronnie Reams made Sep 5 at 2022 9:33 AM

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Should be easy to find out. Just ask a Green Beanie or a former engagement team member. Either they (WACs) went for cover or they started banging away.

Response by SrA Gina Hotard made Sep 15 at 2022 6:09 PM

2022-09-15T18:09:40-04:00

As a woman and in combat I definitely tell you it was not for show! I can think of 3 of the men I served with turned and ran while me and another female stood ground. There’s your show

Response by SGT Stephen Jaffe made Sep 22 at 2022 8:13 AM

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I think females are just as capable of being warriors as males. Maybe not as physically strong for some tasks, but just as fierce as anyone in a fight. Females have been fighting along side males for centuries. Other countries have plenty of females in their combat arms ranks.

Response by Cpl Rosemarie SantaAnna made Sep 25 at 2022 1:23 AM

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Guess only these Special Trained woman can Answer that Wuestion…

Response by LTC Martin Glynn made Sep 26 at 2022 1:04 PM

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Since the combat exclusion law was overturned, one woman has graduated from the Special Forces Qualification Course (SFQC). She is a member of the Colorado Army National Guard's 5th Battalion, 19th Special Forces Group, and she graduated in 2020. She was last mentioned in the news at the end of 2020. Haven't heard anything about her since.
https://www.military.com/daily-news/2020/12/31/1st-female-green-beret-faces-minor-misdemeanor-charge-accidentally-firing-gun-police-say.html

1st Female Green Beret Faces 'Minor Misdemeanor' Charge for Accidentally Firing Gun, Police Say

The soldier graduated from the Special Forces Q Course, becoming the first woman to earn the Special Forces tab.

Response by 1SG Dennis Hicks made Sep 26 at 2022 2:13 PM

2022-09-26T14:13:36-04:00

To actually answer your question from 4 months ago as I read it , "have any female Soldiers been awarded the combat MOS(s) severed along side male Soldiers with the same MOS in combat units ? " While I have been out for some time I have visited my old unit as recently as June of this year. While a pretty good size sampling of female Soldiers have been awarded combat MOS(s) the ones that had that MOS in my old unit were assigned to the head quarters and not in the infantry squads or teams. So seeing a fully integrated infantry squad doing Infantry stuff appears to be a goal for teh future. Keeping in mind this is all second hand info and your milage may vary. When you cut through the MACHO and virtue signaling BS you tend to see the ground truth. I will await to see if everything becomes equal to include the draft before I settle for a fair answer.

Response by LT William Pellegrini made Oct 14 at 2022 1:01 PM

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Somehow we have come to believe that only white men fought in the Wars that the U.S.A. engaged in. The first casualty of the Revolutionary War a Crispus Attucks, a black man. White men and women as well as Black men and women have fought in just about every war the United States has fought. Think about this. Their were women on the Rock in in the middle of Manila Bay during the Japanese siege in WWII. Do you really believe that they simply cowered in a corner or were magically transported to Podunk Kansas? They were deeply involved in that battle. Unfortunately there part in any of the wars the U.S.A. has been involved in is somehow not given any attention. But then it took a Constitutional Amendment to allow women to vote, so I guess it should not come as surprise. I mean the blacks given the right to vote via Amendment XV to the Constitution in the aftermath of the Civil War. Women didn't get that privileged until the early 20th Century with the XIX Amendment. I guess the answer to your question is Yes women have been involved in military battles since the very beginning of the United States. They just weren't given any credit for their contribution outside of nursing.

Response by SGT Hector Rojas, AIGA, SHA made Oct 14 at 2022 4:12 PM

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They are just as much for show as the countless other MOS that are part of the Ranger Regiment and do not see Combat. That is to say, they are NOT for show.
And if you took the time to do some research instead of typing this garbage, you would see that YES, there currently are female 75th Regiment Rangers leading Rangers in Combat Operations (CPT Coss) and at least one Green Beret in an ODA in the 10th SOG.

Response by CPT Earl George made Oct 21 at 2022 3:58 PM

2022-10-21T15:58:22-04:00

I learned this very quickly after I entered the Army. If I am in a situation where I jump into a foxhole and have to depend on the other person in that hole to keep me alive, I do no not care if they are male or female, Tall or short, fat or skinny, Africian American, hawaiian, mexican, or whatever. I size them up quickly and if necessary square them away as quickly and as best as possible so I might live to see the next day.

Response by Maj James Tippins made Oct 21 at 2022 7:14 PM

2022-10-21T19:14:35-04:00

It's a decent question but the answers will be all over the place.

If you are referring to the two female Army Rangers that were pushed through the training to meet one of Obama's goals, I'd like to know that answer. The posts some of the men in their squad made were not reassuring. I'd even like to know if the whole thing was true or some made up social media trash.

I've met a few women that could kick ass. Whether they are in elite military jobs is another matter.

But who cares? Modern military equipment can be operated by almost any individual, and gender status doesn't matter in all but the most physically strenuous jobs. That's right, I said it.

There are a lot more men than women in physically demanding jobs because of the obvious differences in physique and tone. Does it not mean there could be an Army of Amazons out there? No.

My take on any job in the services has always been this: If you can legitimately pass the physical requirements, you are qualified to do the job regardless of gender.

So if more women can meet the training requirements to kick ass and take names, I say great!

Response by 1SG Michael Bonnett made Oct 24 at 2022 12:48 AM

2022-10-24T00:48:43-04:00

No, regardless of people who use the dude word a lot say...Show only and when the Navy tried with a carrier pilot who never should have been in the aircraft killed herself she almost took others with her.

Response by 1SG Michael Bonnett made Oct 24 at 2022 12:51 AM

2022-10-24T00:51:46-04:00

If there are no woman on the Super Bowl teams during the Super Bowl that should tell you something. If you lose in the Super Bowl you are still alive the next weekend. Kind of puts all that propaganda in it's place.

Response by AA Loreen Silvarahawk made Dec 9 at 2022 3:45 PM

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Let us not forget the Native American women who fought alongside the men and fought bravely. Definitely do remember Lori Piestiwa a United States Army soldier killed during the Iraq War.

Response by SSG Eric Blue made Dec 12 at 2022 4:12 PM

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I'm going to go ahead and say yes. Six of my female battles were attached to either Civil Affairs or PSYOPS and one of them was borrowed by 2nd Marine Division to replace a corpsman who had a real-world emergency. All six of them had to shoot, move, and communicate while doing their jobs. So yes.

Response by SFC Don Ward made Jan 6 at 2023 11:12 AM

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Lots of BS, but no one has answered the question - are there any confirmed cases of the graduates of these schools actually fulfilling combat billets?

Response by SFC Marcia Smith made Jan 9 at 2023 8:38 AM

2023-01-09T08:38:18-05:00

Women can do attitude leads them on to do more than anyone thinks.

Response by 1SG Alan Boggs made Jan 9 at 2023 8:26 PM

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I think its to early in the evolution to get a good read. Operators dont move into SOGs until they have been seasoned. It unlikely that any of the females pushed through infantry, combat engineer or ranger school have developed into that level of expertise.

Response by CSM Vern Pratt made Jan 12 at 2023 8:46 AM

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IMHO as I read your question is you are a anti-female Soldier discriminator. My advice is stop comparing a Soldier's abilities and capabilities to their gender.

Response by Lt Col Stephen Bonning made Jan 29 at 2023 5:38 PM

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It's still amazing what can be found with an internet search.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 30 at 2023 2:39 PM

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They have never been in my group that's for sure..

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 30 at 2023 2:40 PM

2023-01-30T14:40:40-05:00

They have never been in my group that's for sure..

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 30 at 2023 2:43 PM

2023-01-30T14:43:27-05:00

Well lets just say this, I have never seen a woman go through SFAS or the Q

Response by SPC Rocky Jo made Feb 2 at 2023 2:44 AM

2023-02-02T02:44:13-05:00

Former 11B here.
I ETS'd before women were allowed in the combat arms... and honestly, when I first heard they were going to be allowed in, I instinctively shot down the idea.
Like wtf, it's a MAN's job.
But then I actually started thinking.

In my unit, we had someone who was fuckin HUGE. Buff ass silverback alpha male who joined our unit several months into our deployment... first firefight he got into with us, dude was hiding like a bitch behind a HMMWV the entire time. This dude had a ranger tab, btw. Jus sayin.

There were also other dudes who would freeze up and press their asses against the wall and literally not fucking move, no matter how much you screamed at them to.

And some scrawny ass dudes who would probably get their asses kicked by a strong, aggressive female, no doubt. They were physically weaker than some fitness girls I know. They definitely couldn't pick my 220lb ass up and carry me more than 5ft. Now take some of these other women who are boxers, cage fighters, etc.. the elite (ie, civilian equivalent to rangers, sf, etc..) Now these women -- imma be honest. They'd probably fuck me up. And I consider myself a pretty decent fighter with above average strength, agility, and definitely an animalistic mean streak when I'm angry.

I don't know the answer to your question, but I wouldn't necessarily count them out if they did fuck some shit up downrange.

Response by SFC Carlos Cruz made Feb 4 at 2023 9:00 AM

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This is a funny question, woman has being in the fight for a long time not as SF or Rangers but as Soldiers doing their job.

If one was down range you will had witnessed such a bravery. Panama invasion hello a MP female got in to an outstanding fire fight also Afghanistan translator Army female assign to SF did also did many fire fighting. Iraq female soldiers also did their fighting. Read about before asking .

Response by CMSgt Donald ONeill made Feb 4 at 2023 3:30 PM

2023-02-04T15:30:27-05:00

I am so tird of woke questions from a liberal site . As a formal SF in Vietnam you have no clue .

Response by SPC Matt Ovaska made Mar 30 at 2023 7:17 PM

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The Wacs were separated from the men when I served in combat zones. The Wacs joined to serve their country and did a great job. The new social experiment has failed...

Response by PO1 Terry Scott made Apr 15 at 2023 8:46 PM

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Yes! And have died! Before Ranger school, when it was discovered men can't talk to women and children with out being thought of as insensitive to the culture in the middle east women dressed up just like the special ops and carried weapons. They wore scarfs and jewelry and shocked a lot of women and children but garnered a lot of information. They've been blown up, shot and suffered all the crap that causes a PTS. It would be nice if they could get treated at the VA for it. But as we all know women aren't in combat, right. Now I'm not saying getting a bag of pills at your local VA will solve much but it's a start. As a Navy corpsman how much pain and suffering does someone need to see before it digs in? You can do better than a bag of pills or alcohol. I'm not with out sin but I can say God hasn't let me down. Sometimes it takes a bit to sink in but it helps to understand God turned a lot of the day to day crap to Mother Nature. Your local American Legion, and other vet organizations can help. You need to understand your not broken or wrong. Your mother or buddy will not understand unless they've been there. Your civilian friends lives and drama are more important to them than what ever you did. Chuckle.
SURPRISE! Women can now get care at the VA. Its hard to keep up with all the crap.

Response by SFC Terry Bryant made Apr 16 at 2023 11:28 AM

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Most Americans, and even members of the media, are not aware that 152 brave servicewomen died in the War on Terrorism. With few exceptions, news stories about their tragic deaths usually appeared only in the military press, or in small hometown newspaper stories and television accounts that rarely captured national attention. You specifically use Rangers and Special Forces as the source of women in combat roles in the Military but that is deceptive. More women in COMBAT period have lost their lives fighting along side men. And the Military for the most part is a better institution for their bravery and abilities.
In the first Persian Gulf War, 33,000 women were deployed, but only 6 perished due to scud missile explosions or accidents. At times in our history it has been necessary to send young men to fight in defense of America. Women have always served in the armed forces with courage and distinction, but there is no military necessity to send young women and mothers to fight in close combat areas where they do not have an equal opportunity to survive, or to help fellow soldiers survive. Concern for men who are fighting and dying in post-9/11 wars should not preclude discussion of problematic policies affecting our women or the need to put them in harms way for the sake of EQUALITY.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 17 at 2023 1:40 PM

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what's the answer? (downvoting and mansplaining aside)

Response by PO1 Kevin Dougherty made Apr 30 at 2023 2:17 PM

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Really? Have you been asleep for the last couple of decades?

Response by SSG Brian Pyle made Jun 19 at 2023 8:13 AM

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It is interesting that so much publicity came out when female soldiers were allowed to join special forces and the outcry of the public not that long ago.....Female soldiers have been serving in combat roles for a long time. Some of the best soldier I served beside have been female. They were serving in combat roles long before they were allowed to try for special forces in the MP Corp for as long as I can remember.

Response by MAJ Jay Callaham made Jun 20 at 2023 3:58 PM

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Whenever this issue comes up. I think of a friend of mine, retired Colonel ADA, who had an Aunt who was an Army Nurse during WW2. She wasn't as big as a minute, tiny lady. Could never do a ruck-march or hump a tank track block. But she did deal with the mass casualties at Hickam Field on 7 Dec '41. When transferred to the ETO she was on a hospital ship off of Normandy on 6 Jun '44 - and that ship got strafed by the Luftwaffe - and while the male sailors, Corpsmen, etc were diving behind bulkheads and into steel passageways, she was on deck, fully exposed, tossing mattresses over the wounded men who were laying there exposed, to protect them some from fragments of spall as the bullets were splattering the decks and superstructure. She did receive a Bronze Star with the "V" device for that (a man would have gotten a Silver Star at least). Later that year, they figured that she'd had a pretty rough time of it and deserved a break, so they assigned her to a nice, quiet sector where nothing was happening - - - - BASTOGNE! She did great service there as well. It's about more than being able to do so many pushups or jogging miles with a ruck or hauling the tow-cable for a tank through mud. Plenty of women have served bravely and well throughout history. Standards should not be reduced just to accommodate them, but they also should not be automatically excluded just on the basis of sex.

Response by SP5 Donna Barr made Jun 20 at 2023 6:48 PM

2023-06-20T18:48:13-04:00

A CSMAJ came on here, and if I may translate his message: "Quit your stupid bitching and follow your orders." I'm a WAC, and I speak SMAJ (Mostly because I served in a military hospital, and they usually made the most sense in the shortest number of words).

Response by SFC Lynn Santosuosso made Jun 23 at 2023 1:42 PM

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Yes! I have friends who were members of the cultural support team (CST), who served with the Rangers in their units in Afghanistan! They carry the same load, the same weapons, fought beside them, and when they took over a town searching for insurgence it was the CST’s who were assigned, with an interpreter, to get information from the women and children of the village. They had to go through pretty tough training, and if you want to read a book that is first-hand about a few of these women, the book is called, Ashley’s War.

https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/23019289

Ashley's War: The Untold Story of a Team of Women Soldi…

From the author of the New York Times bestseller The Dr…

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 24 at 2023 5:13 PM

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Bottom line is if they can’t be held to the same expectations as a man, and standards are lowered to allow them in, then combat effectiveness will be degraded. The “trans” men or trans whatever have mental illness, so this not only degrades combat effectiveness of a unit but creates a whole host of other issues as well. Those are simple facts whether certain people can handle it or not. Look all around you, men dominate certain physical jobs for a reason. Women have had the ability to join and do those jobs for years and yet they make up a very small margin in those industries. Simple answer is most women can’t cut the mustard physically. So let’s keep worrying about people’s feelings and see how that works when we go up against China which will be the equivalent of Japan in WW2. What a joke, get out of the rear with the gear and hump around with the ground pounders for a bit.

Response by SPC Clay Wilson made Jul 23 at 2023 8:09 PM

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Wow. I just read 30-40 comments regarding this post. Most responses derided the individual posting the question instead of answering it. Why? Everyone get off your righteous indignation and just answer the question if you are able. If not…….

Response by SPC Bill Johnson made Jul 26 at 2023 12:08 AM

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I'd rather know why they don't have to register for Selected Service.

Response by SSG Ralph Watkins made Sep 28 at 2023 7:32 PM

2023-09-28T19:32:12-04:00

Opening those jobs to women is just an administrative step. Women going on missions with our special operations forces has been going on for many years. They may not have had the MOS but they were cross trained or trained up for doing certain missions. When an SF Mike team goes into a village, they will take female soldiers to work with the local women. Our SEAL teams in Iraq as part of their protection detail for the Iraqi govt utilized our females to do security checks on females coming into Iraqi govt venues & facilities. And yes, females have gotten trigger time, been wounded, & even killed on these missions. They have been performing with respect & dignity for several decades.

Response by SP5 Sandra Dockeney made Sep 28 at 2023 7:41 PM

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Women have been fighting as warriors all throughout history. Study your world history. We are even more vicious out on a battlefield than the men are. We are good for things other than sex and giving birth.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 3 at 2023 7:41 PM

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I do find it interesting how many people have failed to address that actual question. I'd hope with officers and senior NCOs that reading comprehension would be higher than has just been displayed. He didn't ask if women have seen combat. He didn't ask about female support personnel down range that were "attached" to group or regiment. He didn't ask if any women in the specific 75th and group have seen combat. I only know of one female that served in the regiment and as far as I know she was an officer that was RFSd. I've only known of one SF female whom made it through the Q-course. Whether or not she ever saw combat I couldn't say. The question isn't about women that earned a tab or happened to get shot at in Iraq while in a support position. There are literally only a couple women he specifically asked about. Everything else that everyone is getting up in arms about is over stuff he never even asked.

Response by SPC Terry Martin made Nov 5 at 2023 7:56 AM

2023-11-05T07:56:11-05:00

I agree, I'd go back to Deborah of the Bible, when Barak wouldn't go into battle without her.

With all due respect, I find calling someone "dude" demeaning to a legitimate question.

Response by PO1 David M Burns made Nov 5 at 2023 9:06 AM

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With this generation “Z” the women seem to have more balls than the lady boys!

Response by LCpl Michael Cappello made Nov 5 at 2023 6:47 PM

2023-11-05T18:47:14-05:00

A "Combat MOS" is just that isn't it? Nothing morte should need to be said. Then again, when it comes to the Army, there are many biological MALES in "Combat MOS's who I wonder if they have actually been fighting alongside MEN. In the Corps there are many WM's with breasticles that go CLANK louder than some guys. I will serve alongside ANY Marine. If I were Army, I would still do it. I would constantly watch my six though. Just had an epiphany. I wonder what branch of military invented "Fragging". I have my suspicions.

Response by SFC Kevin Childers made Nov 13 at 2023 2:35 PM

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In light of some of the missions SOF may be called upon to conduct, female personnel could only enhance their capabilities. I think anyone who can meet and maintain themselves at the high standards required should be given the opportunity to serve in SOF or any other military unit.

Response by 1st Lt Mary James made Nov 16 at 2023 10:58 AM

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Wait a minute! Does anyone remember Joan of Arc?? Florence Nightingale?? Just because history doesn't glorify their use of weaponry, they fought. There were women in the Civil War disguised as men who went to fight because women were excluded from service. They fought for God and Country. Remember those stupid Geneva Conventions cards with the Red Cross on them that Medics were supposed to wave at the invading hoards so they wouldn't get shot?? Are you kidding me? You think we wouldn't pick up a weapon and do what we had to? My group was one of the first medical groups that went in for M16 training when the military finally realized we all had a role in conflict to maintain safe and protect our freedoms. And, that a plastic card wasn't bullet proof

Response by SFC Carlos Cruz made Dec 5 at 2023 10:50 AM

2023-12-05T10:50:12-05:00

I am very confused with your question when history can be Google and read about it, not only since the Revolution but today as well lol.

During my deployment in Iraq we had an entire team of female only and they didn’t play around when it comes to that battle field.
During the Afghanistan

Response by CAPT Edward Schmitt made Dec 7 at 2023 3:59 PM

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I know some women are capable of combat just as some men are not. I just think if men are not willing to step up and protect hearth and home then our country is in trouble.

Response by SGT Richard Hanson SSP/CGS made Dec 8 at 2023 2:25 AM

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My Granddaughter was born with heart defects that required 4 open heart surgeries by the time she was 4 years old. She has been a full fledged firefire fighter since she was 18 on the New Deal, TX Volunteer Fire Dept. she teaches high angle rope rescue and serves on a rescue team. She will graduate in May with a Degree in nursing. She has filled her deer tags the last 2 years with very nice 8 point Bucks (Texas count) where I am from they are 4 point, nice none the less. The quickest way to get something done is tell this girl she can't do it. Women on the Battlefield, read about the Russian Women Snipers in WW II. While some women may be lacking a bit in physical strength, remember it only takes about 5 pounds of pressure to squeeze a trigger.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 8 at 2023 9:17 PM

2023-12-08T21:17:48-05:00

Always enjoy pouring fuel onto a burning fire.
1. Napoleon won battles because he outsmarted all his opponents. And got lucky at times too. Same with Alexander the Great, Genghis Khan, etc. Doesn't matter how strong you are. There are women out there who are more capable soldiers than their male counterparts because they get good at there jobs and are intelligent, plain and simple. Budica, Marina Raskova, historical examples of female warriors (or aviators in the case of Raskova) who proved their mettle.
2. The arguments about Israeli integration of women into combat arms completely ignores the fact that sexism permeates various aspects of Israeli culture, along with socio-economic stratifications that create a hierarchy of "Jewishness". These two things pretty much set up non male, non-Ashkenazi jews onto lower rungs of the political/social totem pole carte blanche.

Response by SPC Joel Carter Sr made Dec 9 at 2023 9:06 AM

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LETS HOPE THAT WHEN WOMEN FIGHT ALONG SIDE MEN, THAT MEN CAN KEEP THEIR MINDS OPEN TO WHAT THEY ARE DOING. LOL.

Response by SFC Samuel Morgan made Dec 10 at 2023 1:38 PM

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Ok, if women in SF etc are essential, then please show me an entire platoon or company of women "Rangers". There is a double standard for women in these courses

Response by SFC Samuel Morgan made Dec 10 at 2023 1:40 PM

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For show

Response by SSG James Stodola made Dec 12 at 2023 10:45 AM

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I wasn't going to comment as the facts are present if you look for them. Women have been fighting along with and in support of men since we became a nation. Then as I read further into the comments so many are quickly getting off topic with all sorts of things that have nothing to do with this question. I have been in many unit where women were serving and functioning in the same MOS as me, quite effectively. I once actually had a woman who could carry and operate an M60 better than most of the younger men in my platoon, now if that isn't a shot to the cajones I don't what would be. If they are able to do the job and prove it to the same standards then all the better. History tells a lot of stories, if one takes the time to research it, and that seems to be lacking these days. My thoughts are; If you can do the job, then do it, if you can't then do something you can do, we all have talents and skills, just put them to good use for this nation and your brothers and sisters.

Response by PO2 Mike Keyes made Dec 29 at 2023 6:31 AM

2023-12-29T06:31:46-05:00

Maybe I'm reading the question wrong, but I don't see where it ask if they are 'capable', or 'should', or 'belong there'. It seems to be asking 'in the time since women have allowed in SF or Ranger training, have the ones that have completed that training been assigned combat roles?'.
Rule 1 in test taking: READ the question and don't read more into it than is there.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 31 at 2023 9:36 AM

2023-12-31T09:36:11-05:00

OMG. If you make it as a Ranger or SF, there’s no difference. Male or female. It’s the same team of fighters. No one is there “for show”.

Response by Steven Overcash made Jan 3 at 2024 12:21 AM

2024-01-03T00:21:17-05:00

One woman is worth 100 men women are vital and more important than a man so no. No combat for them

Response by PO3 Bria n O‘Connell made Jan 4 at 2024 11:28 AM

2024-01-04T11:28:11-05:00

Seriously . ? Women have been dying in combat a long time . Jan has a secret special ops all female unit and the are incredibly deadly , including hands and feet . When we are attacked and we will be soon with idiot boy leading, it's going to be all hands on deck for us to survive . Just fyi . We were pinned down in Iraq and a female F-18 pilot out of missles flew danger close to the deck and opened up with cannons taking out the enemy lines . She was flipping them off at the same time . She risked her own life to save ours . I'm trying to get fund raised going for statues of female hero's represented more at VA hospitals and military installations . They don't get the proper credit they deserve .

Response by PO2 Gary Riedl made Jan 7 at 2024 9:48 PM

2024-01-07T21:48:24-05:00

All things being equal, it is rare for a woman to have the same strength as a man. But being a Ranger is tough for any sex. I would say that if anyone can prove to do it, they should. With that said, I'm sure politics is in there somewhere.

Response by SGT Jeff Everhart made Jan 8 at 2024 5:23 PM

2024-01-08T17:23:21-05:00

Women in Spec Ops ends the debate over men in women's sports. The selective service requirement should be abolished now. Women shouldn't be able to play the female card when it benefits them politically, or otherwise.

Response by CPO Kurt Baschab made Jan 13 at 2024 8:19 PM

2024-01-13T20:19:15-05:00

there are women though out world history that have fought well beside men & there husbands,
for example during the old west, wives would fight side by side with there husbands to defend there homes & Families.
as stated by others during the during the American Revolution, and civil war , women have step up to fight, yet these women are the few exemption , not the normal role that women want or seek out to fill.

I have no problem With Women who want to fill a combat roles, as long as they are Physical able ,
my problem is with the Congress & Gov faceless Bureaucrats, forcing the Military to lower the military Physical Requirements, in order to make the woke crowd happy .

this same group of Gov Officials, Faceless Bureaucrats, & women groups, who are demanding more females' in a combat role , yet they will not Volunteer themselves or there daughters. have you notice this ?

it seems like it for some public relations stunt!

I have been saying this for decades, I have no problem allowing women in combat roles, just stop lowering the Physical requirements .
let men & Women compete for the position, may the best man or women win.

Sadly congress & Gov Faceless Bureaucrats love playing games with military personal, forcing the military to lowing the physical requirements, in order to get more females in combat roles.

these same Gov Officials & Faceless Bureaucrats, are consistently telling the American public there is absolutely no differences between a man and a women .

if that is true, there is no need to lower the Physical requirements.
(FYI) I do not believe that is true.

yet I do know this, it is dangerous to both men and women & the Nation to lower the physical standard .

so I beg the political elites to stop this madness of lowering the physical standard , GIVE ONE physical standard For Men & Anther for Women
I have no problem with a man or women that can do the job.
my Problem lies with the pollical elites & Gov faceless Bureaucrats that keep playing politic, this is what getting service member hurt & Killed.
lets not forget, it was a women in the CIA, that found and sent in the seal team to kill or capture Bin Laden, you do not have to be in a elite fighting unit to help keep this nation safe. you just have to be smart

Response by SSG Leo Mcardle made Jan 23 at 2024 10:13 AM

2024-01-23T10:13:21-05:00

I am extremely disappointed in the answers to this question. The question was very specific yet the answers had nothing to do with it. If our senior enlisted and our officers can’t comprehend the question then we are in trouble.

Response by 1SG Dean Mcbride (MPER) (CPHR) made Jan 27 at 2024 12:59 PM

2024-01-27T12:59:18-05:00

John Joseph Your posting from almost two years ago just hit my inbox... You opened a huge shitstorm that totally changed your question from one about Ranger and Special Forces qualified women fighting alongside men to one of transgenders, the Histories by Herodotus, the Revolutionary War ,and even to Custer's defeat at Little Big Horn. Along with that it even brought up the old BS about did they even receive the same training as their male counterparts! Why can't people answer a simple question without trying to stir up the pot? My answer: I never served in combat with women SF... In my era there were no SF qualified women. Had there been, I would have had zero problem fighting along side them and expected them to act and react as all the rest of the team! By the way, this is the first post I have seen that had "Thumbs Down" indicators!

Response by SPC Thomas Elliott made Jun 11 at 2024 2:35 AM

2024-06-11T02:35:19-04:00

I believe our Mother's & Sister's throughout the realm --- would do anything, anytime, anywhere to protect the ones they love most... This is innate. This lifetime and many previous lifetimes... And today - many civilian's are more outspoken on relevant matter's within the same vein... I see it at my son's elementary school and at the parks during sporting events. In many cases, they're solo... In my opinion - there's no responsibility more important than the conscious parenting of the next generation. Amidst the daily barrage of divisive media ops playing out at scale... Onward.

Response by CPO Donald Crisp made Jun 29 at 2024 2:38 PM

2024-06-29T14:38:44-04:00

Who is John Joseph and why is he on this site?

Response by SrA Cecelia Eareckson made Jul 2 at 2024 10:22 PM

2024-07-02T22:22:45-04:00

Not exactly what you're asking, but at least some of the push for "women in combat" is intended to reclassify social engineering with local women. Just a pay grab. Having had a supervisor who was a maybe postpartum rage-aholic, and whose husband was section NCOIC, that was bad enough in alleged peacetime. I have done a lot of guy stuff, but there are limits. Or should be.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 27 at 2024 12:20 PM

2024-07-27T12:20:28-04:00

I read a lot of the comments and subjective feedback below. I’ve met plenty of men with plenty of tabs/badges and some have been turds and some have been fire. I’ve met plenty of men with no tabs/badges and some have been turds and some have been fire. The truth is that ANY school in the military is but a snapshot of a person for a period of time under limited circumstances and generally serves as a baseline requirement for entry into a job. Does NOT mean a Service Member who is “qualified” for that job is going to be good at it. When a Soldier shows up to a unit after a school their performance from that day forward is what counts. The Teams have a way of sorting out their garbage. The Regiment has a way of sorting out their garbage. High standards in a school tend to sift out most of the trash, but the absolute truth is that no matter how hard you squeeze some shit slips through your fingers. Women have had their place in the military and now have their place in ALL of the military. Especially in today’s and recent COE’s they have accomplished things that were better for them to accomplish than it was for a man to accomplish. There’s always the right rock for the job. Keep your rocks piled high and you’ll have plenty to chose from. You don’t always go to war with the troops you “want”, but you will ALWAYS go to war with the troops you have. Shape your men and women; develop their strengths AND their weaknesses. I’m way more concerned about me failing my men and women than I am a single one of them failing me.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 27 at 2024 12:41 PM

2024-07-27T12:41:27-04:00

Oh……and by the way….comparing anything in the military to pro-sports/athletes doesn’t belong. Over the last 25 years I’ve watched 125 pound “skinny weaklings” (men and women) accomplish and do things that no “pro athlete” would ever be capable of. And they did it while getting paid $30k a year with no tv cameras around. Fuck pro athletes.

Response by SPC Terry Martin made Aug 3 at 2024 2:35 AM

2024-08-03T02:35:34-04:00

I'm reading an excellent that hits on this subject! "The War on Warriors" by Pete Hegseth

Response by SFC Lyle Green made Aug 3 at 2024 5:36 PM

2024-08-03T17:36:29-04:00

Hope Cuba don't decide to attack! If so, we've had it.
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Response by SSG Brian G. made Aug 4 at 2024 10:20 PM

2024-08-04T22:20:59-04:00

*Shakes my head* Is this a serious question or a troll question?

If a women qualified ie passes the training, testing and qualification to be in combat arms and more specialized MOS/Units such as Rangers/Sf yes they fight alongside the men. There is no "for show" except in Washington. The military is not some social test tube. Leave that crap at the door.

Response by CPT Vance Walden made Sep 10 at 2024 3:25 AM

2024-09-10T03:25:35-04:00

Just from my experience as an Infantry Co Cdr in Korea and spending some time on the DMZ, I can say I do not think any of my men would have responded well to a female CO. Why? Example, my guys loved to play a pick up game of tackle football and I would participate with these guys and it would get extremely physical! My soldiers respected the fact that I could take as well as dish out and kept myself in top physical form to set as good of an example of physical toughness for the rigors of infantry. Lets face it, combat troops love the warrior ethos and male vs female muscle in some scenarios could be the difference of life or death in combat. Another great example is what you see on many police officer chest cam videos of violent encounters against female police officers. Most of these female police officers are quickly overwhelmed by the superior physical strength of a male suspect and if it was not for their male back ups, they would be in serious trouble! With that being said, I have served with many outstanding female soldiers in non combat capacities and their performance is top notch.

Response by SP5 Donna Barr made Sep 12 at 2024 1:39 PM

2024-09-12T13:39:14-04:00

Wanna bet this is some cook who considers women Combat Mattresses? (Not that I hate army cooks - I got one to thank for an entire tray of excellent fried catfish. I mean the ones who steal steaks out the back door of the mess hall. Yeah, you can guess the demographics for both.)

Response by SPC Matt Ovaska made Nov 2 at 2024 7:06 AM

2024-11-02T07:06:18-04:00

The got out and joined the NFL and WOW. This way they can show all the tattoos

Response by CMSgt Donald ONeill made Nov 2 at 2024 8:01 AM

2024-11-02T08:01:50-04:00

We could not run the military without women . But not in Rangers and Special Forces where physical barriers exist . And those that question my statement are not thinking about the women that contribute making our military great by supporting those units .

Response by SSG Joseph Harris, PhD made Nov 3 at 2024 7:48 AM

2024-11-03T07:48:41-05:00

I will be clear. I served in the 1/75th and later as an 18D on an SF ODA. I don’t see an answers from anyone with the experiences you are asking about. So I will share my personal opinion as I HAVE personally served in the Rangers and SF. I have a great imagination. I can imagine a woman have a genuine “SF moment” out of necessity and courage. But to serve in a Ranger squad or an ODA as a regular member of the team… no way. My response clearly limited to serving on a squad in a Ranger Batallion or on an ODA. No. Any other position? Possibly. But real world in a permanent position? That’s a big no.
If you have to ask why not, then you clearly haven’t served in a Ranger Batallion or on an SF ODA. And I can’t explain it to you.

Response by PO2 Robert Carrillo made Nov 3 at 2024 10:59 AM

2024-11-03T10:59:11-05:00

The only example today would be Israel the women either fight or die

Response by SrA Cecelia Eareckson made Nov 3 at 2024 6:03 PM

2024-11-03T18:03:23-05:00

As far as I know, the push for women in "combat" is mostly a sham to equate female social engineering with local nationals with actual combat for higher pay.
I was pretty strong, and slung hold baggage alongside men, but I would not care to have me as backup in combat. We are different.

Response by Amn Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 4 at 2024 11:08 PM

2024-11-04T23:08:55-05:00

Have women in Ranger and Special Forces combat roles fought alongside men? Incorporating Friday Night Funkin, Have these female soldiers been dropping beats alongside their male counterparts? https://fridaynightfunkingame.io

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