Given how important tabs are in the Army, should a prior service Marine now in the Army have a special tab indicating their background?

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Response by LTC Richard Becker made Jan 31 at 2014 10:04 AM

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<p>When I was a 1LT assigned to the 25th Infantry Division, I hadn't deployed yet.  Every meeting I went to, the first thing they did was check your right shoulder to see if you had deployed.  If you hadn't, you were summarily dismissed and nothing you said held any weight.  I hated that feeling and was fortunate to deploy shortly thereafter.</p><p> </p><p>I fear with the upcoming change of mission in Afghanistan, we will start to see this perpetuate again.  I tell everyone I meet that I don't judge Soldiers based on past performance.  I judge them based on their competence and ability to accomplish the mission, as well as how they treat other Soldiers, regardless of rank, APFT score, skill badges, deployment stripes, etc.</p><p> </p><p>So far, it's worked well for me.</p>

Response by 1SG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 31 at 2014 10:33 AM

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I agree that the Army is overly fixated with "flair".  However, I suspect most Infantry Marines consider themselves to be in a different class that the rest of the Corps.  I doubt it's always a case of "We're all just one big Marine happy family!".   That's OK.  It's probably the case in every ground combat branch around the world.  Let's just be honest about it.  I also suspect the Marines who do have a bit of bling, their reconnaissance and MARSOC fellows, probably think their a bit different too.  On a lighter note:<br><div class="pta-link-card"><div class="pta-link-card-picture"><img src="http://www.duffelblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/269626.jpg"></div><div class="pta-link-card-content"><div class="pta-link-card-title"><a target="_blank" href="http://www.duffelblog.com/2012/12/supply-chief-has-complete-conversation-with-grunt-without-understanding-single-word/">Supply Chief Has Complete Conversation With Grunt Without Understanding Single Word</a></div><div class="pta-link-card-description">OKINAWA, JAPAN – Supply Company Gunnery Sergeant Dan Williams confirmed today that despite a wide range of accomplishments and experiences in the Corps, he had absolutely no idea what an infantry Serg...</div></div><div style="clear:both"></div><div class="pta-box-hide"><i class="icon-remove"></i></div></div><div class="pta-link-card"><div class="pta-link-card-picture"><img src="http://www.duffelblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/549057.jpg"></div><div class="pta-link-card-content"><div class="pta-link-card-title"><a target="_blank" href="http://www.duffelblog.com/2013/12/grunt-turned-pog-insults-pog-turned-grunt/">Grunt-Turned-POG Insults POG-Turned-Grunt</a></div><div class="pta-link-card-description">OP OMAR – Company-level staff at Kilo Company confirmed today that a Grunt-Turned-POG had gone off on another rant about how much he hates POGs. According to eyewitnesses, Lance Corporal Bruno Walz sp...</div></div><div style="clear:both"></div><div class="pta-box-hide"><i class="icon-remove"></i></div></div>

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 31 at 2014 10:52 AM

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I was talking about this. I start Ranger School on Sunday to get my Ranger Tab. I would say that some schools are a bit for show. Like Air Assault and Airborne. I don't see how they can develop or define a leader. Schools like Ranger, Sapper, and the SF Qualification Course do however seperate those who strive to be the best. That is why they are there for. I am not saying that everyone with a Ranger, Sapper, or Long Tab is squared away but they have been pushed harder than most and know they can handle it. I have deployed twice prior to being commissioned and I can clearly state that being a 2LT is not easy but being a 2LT with wings, CIB and combat patch is. I am put ahead of other in my peer group. Is this right? Yes and no. I don't fault the other officers who didn't get a chance to do what I have done but on the reverse I have done more then they have. I am tested and I know what I am doing. Of course I would be the likely candidate to lead your Platoon if you needed a PL over a brand new officer. Is it wrong, no.

There are expectations that some must have. If you are in a Airborne unit you are expected to be a Jumpmaster. If you are in a infantry unit you are expected to be a Ranger if you are in the light world or Master Gunner if you are in the Mech world. We all know this. I can't stand when soliders in the infantry complain that they can't get promoted because they don't have a tab or they are just as good as anyone with a tab. that is fine. That soldier realized what it was there and went what was expected. It is a leadership school.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 31 at 2014 12:10 PM

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Don't take offense to this, but your not a Marine anymore. US Army is on your uniform.

Response by SGM Gregory Tarancon IV made Dec 28 at 2014 2:16 PM

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I long time ago, during my Infantry days I had he pleasure of being mentored by a Senior NCO, Combat Vet and US Army Ranger (CSM Purdy). Anyone that knew CSM Purdy can tell you he was a straight shooter. He believed that Ranger School was an essential leadership school and a right of passage for Infantrymen.

One of his most famous sayings to troopers heading out for Ranger School was the following;
" There are two types of soldiers that return from Ranger school. The ones that come back with a Tab or the ones that have a story! Which one are you gonna be Troop!"

My advice to my son when he decided to branch Infantry at USMA, was if you go infantry as an officer need to be committed to leadership and the infantry life meaning - "earning the Ranger Tab!"

So for the TAB Check -

My son graduated from Ranger Class 08-14, just a few months ago in August and as for me (Old Greg) graduation from Ranger school was twenty three years ago class 3-91.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 29 at 2014 6:48 AM

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I like to see the faces of people when I walk around without anything on my uniform except what is required as the minimum. The high school like whispering you can hear as well as the strange looks is humorous. They assume you are some pogue that has never been anywhere or done anything.
Then it's time to get dressed up for the annual mandatory ball. Fun times !
The bling on my uniform is no indication of my leadership or knowledge, I know plenty of badge bunnies and tab wearers that merely passed said course but are still useless.
Be proud of your time service in the Marines but that's it. If we gave tabs for former identities we'd have people wanting tabs for everything.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 29 at 2014 11:10 AM

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I think the Corps is all about the image also...great at commercials!

Response by SMSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 29 at 2014 11:21 AM

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I'd buy that for a Dollar! I'd wear my Marine Corp tab with honor!

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 30 at 2014 3:01 AM

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From a prior Service 'Ranger tabbed' Marine I feel just allowing us to wear the 1st Marine Division Combat Patch would be enough...for me. Combat patch or no combat patch. You ain't sh** without it. I have my WHOOAH badges...I can get more if I wanted. I'm okay with where I am at. I wear my 1st Mar Division Patch and a SM called me out....and looked me in the face and told me, 'I hate that patch, you know that', he was so unprofessional. Seeing the patch made him lose all professionalism. That is why I want to wear it...so I can go around making SM break blood vessels.....within ARMY regs of course. Have you quite figured it out, why some Army dogs, hate Devil dogs? @SFC Joseph Galvan.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 30 at 2014 3:28 AM

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The more tabs and badges people come up with, the worse the fixation is. That just feeds in to it

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 30 at 2014 6:00 AM

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I read the initial post and don’t really see a point other than another “I am/was a Marine and look how awesome I think we are” thread.

A tab is to show you're qualified in something special. Belonging to a branch of the military is not special, so no, there shouldn't be a Marine tab.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 30 at 2014 6:03 AM

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As a prior service Marine myself, I agree. I served in the Corps prior to the name tapes and I remember when the order came down to start implementing them and the banter of how they were trying to turn "us" into the Army. I also agree that as a prior service Marine we should have a designator tab reflecting such. I mean, I see Soldiers with Marine division patches for units they served with in Iraq and Afghanistan, served with, not as Marines.

Response by SFC Mark Hartmann made Dec 30 at 2014 8:10 AM

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Though I'm retired now, I've brought the same thing many times, especially when considering prior service military awards when wearing the "class A" uniform.

Response by SPC Leisel Luman made Dec 30 at 2014 9:39 AM

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SFC Joseph Galvan The tabs are not "trinkets". They are earned, respected and worn with pride. The Army is so large it's another way if identifying each other. With all due respect you are in the Army now and other branches patches do not belong on the Army uniform. I have much respect for people who have served this country in any and all branches of service. Let your skill, leadership and knowledge speak for itself. Thank you for your continued service.

Response by 2LT Brendan Mahar Daniels made Dec 30 at 2014 11:18 AM

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I understand. Former Marine now in the Army Guard. I call them, I love me badges.

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 30 at 2014 12:04 PM

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There isn't a GD thing on a uniform that can take the douche-bag out of someone. If you think a Ranger tab can make you a Soldier, you're sorely mistaken. Now...that general comment aside, Ranger School is a great leadership course on basic and advanced patrolling techniques and is an amazing gut check if you've never been put under that kind of stress. We have to remember why it was created though. It wasn't on a whim. At some point, REAL Rangers (not just tab wearing, check the block so I can be accepted in the boy scouts "rangers") decided that there needed to be a process in order to train people for the rigors of war that were expected of a real Ranger. That's a pretty good prep course. If you can earn that, you are a little harder than your average bear. Now...there are just as many tool bags with Ranger Tabs as anywhere else in the Army. That Tab doesn't mean a damn thing if you act like an absolute ass-clown because you have something that others don't. To the bad ones it's something to lord over other people about. It's something to check for on a sleeve to determine someone's worth. It's something that makes you better. To the good ones, it's just something that tells other people that they have something to pass on to others. That they...having succeeded where others have failed or never tried to accomplish...have something valuable to impart on the rest of us...HUMBLY. What you do on a daily basis maters. Not your Tab, your Patch, your red socks or funny hat. None of that crap matters. Actions matter. I'm a fan of keeping all that crap on your records and stripping it from your body. I don't think that will ever happen. There are quite a few elitists that need to be able to show their minimum 15 pieces of flair to feel good about themselves.

Response by 1SG Frank Boynton made Dec 30 at 2014 12:03 PM

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I hated wearing all the badges and tabs so I seldom did. Until I attended Drill Sergeant School. I did ok until my first Class A inspection. I showed up wearing my National Defense Service ribbon, as the only award, my current unit patch, and name tag. The inspector - we call them the tac - had pulled everyones 201 file and knew what ribbons and special qualifications each of us had. Needless to say, I flunked inspection and was gigged 1 point for every missing decoration, patch, special skill tabs, etc. I was in Gig Hell for a month, working extra duty and weekends to work the demerits off.

Response by SGT Bryon Sergent made Dec 30 at 2014 4:07 PM

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I have friends that are Marines that are serving in the Army. They proudly proclaim that they where in the Marines and that to me is all that is required. The reason I check a shoulder isn't for a tab, but combat service. That says that you have been somewhere to me and that I have a little more respect than the norm. Shows that you understand the things that WE have been through vs the ones that haven't been to a hell hole. Marines should have a CSSI wish they did then at least we would know that it was 2nd Marine Amphibious that you were with or something to that nature. I a friend that was prior Marine and was in a fire fight and the army wouldnt bring over his Combat Action Ribbon to a CIB. It is discouraging.

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 30 at 2014 4:12 PM

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All a real solider needs is a 1059... Tabs on ACU's is good if you need to identify or distinguish someone like an MP,SP, SDNCO etc... The COC should know what SMs are qualified to do for training purposes and emergent situations when a special skill set is needed, but c'mon that never happens.

I think if every SM had the same opportunities to attend all schools then yes wear them, but that's not the case. I remember begging for my command to send me to Ranger School when i was a PFC/SPC in ADA and the response was "Nah"... I finally got Air Assault only because the 25th was going "Light" and as a parting gift they allotted slots to outbound units. After graduating in 1985 i've never wore my wings...

Response by CPT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 30 at 2014 4:31 PM

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SFC Private RallyPoint Member you nailed this. I've actually posted something similar. Although I do not have the Marine experience I too questioned why the Army has to take the route of badges and tabs. It feeds into that self-interest aspect that we need to cut back on. It's proven that morale is down significantly. I believe if we got back to a more team first mentality we would see a change. The Marines have built a brand and tossed out those individual spotlights in favor of a strong team mentality. The Army struggles to gain this esprit de corp partially due to this culture of onfividialism. Great post.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 30 at 2014 4:55 PM

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Lol. I love hearing stories about how bad ass the marines are. They are usually from marines and former marines. I've had the pleasure of serving with many from MARSOC and Recon out of Pendleton. I gotta say, these guys didn't really care for the old "marines are more bad ass than army" crap. If you ask an infantryman from the 82d what's the best division, he will always vote toward the deuce. You have the same dimmentia he does. I'm sure the navy seals would tell you the marines are morons and the green berets the same. The jtac from the Air Force the same. Heck, I'd even venture to say MARSOC personnel would tell you common marines are normal just like any other service. I am glad you were proud to be a marine. I hope one day you'll be as proud to be a Soldier.

Response by SSG (ret) William Martin made Dec 30 at 2014 7:17 PM

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There have been a few individuals in the past that have flaunted the fact they or someone is tab this or tab that or even been to AB or AA school as if I was supposed to feel ashamed for having none of the that. I asked, "does the Army have a tab for a college degree"? No of course not be we all have done great things, and I chose the academic route. If given the chance I would do AA and AB school even at the age of 37.

Response by SGT Justin Singleton made Dec 30 at 2014 7:29 PM

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I was mechanized 11C in the NG for six years, and then deployed the rest of my time (called out of the IRR). For some reason, they don't think that heavy mortars (120mm) on the back of an M113 (M1064 to be exact) have a need for any badge...and of course they are right. I was upset at the beginning, knowing that I would never get jump school or air assault, etc., but after a while I didn't mind at all. ... I was mechanized. That means above all else, I got to ride into battle.

I hear those with wings calling other people legs. Question for them: what do you do once you hit the ground? That's right...you walk! lol ... I'll take my tracks and my gun where I can button down the hatches at night to keep the snow and rain out.

Response by LTC Stephen C. made Dec 30 at 2014 8:51 PM

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SFC Private RallyPoint Member, be proud of your Marine heritage. You earned the title. But in the words of two famous songs, "You're In The Army Now", so "Love The One You're With"!

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 30 at 2014 11:12 PM

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I have worked alongside marines, sailors and airmen and a few that crossed over to the Army as well. All the marines I know wore their marine division deployment patch In ACU's. And retained all their Marine ribbons and medals. However as a Ranger qualified infantryman I feel like all the badges and pins and BS people put on their uniform is just to feel like a special snowflake

Response by COL Kurt Chebatoris made Dec 31 at 2014 2:18 PM

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Your question is: "why not implement wearing a tab to indicate you were a prior service Marine?"

Every Army unit I've served with has it's share of prior service Marines. For the most part they simply want to the best Soldier they can be. (Not to alliterate too closely to a certain Army recruiting slogan from the early to mid 2000's) And appreciate the opportunity the Army has given them to continue honorable service. Eventually they figure out who served in the Corps and find some common ground to share beyond their current Army doings.

Such a tab has no place on the Army uniform. And, speaking strictly for myself, another bit of bling is not something I would be looking for. On the ACU there is no need for it. On the ASU, usually you can see a Navy/Marine ribbon if a Soldier once served in the Marines or Navy. Although with the past ten plus years of joint activity, that is no longer necessarily a guarantee that Soldier with a Navy Achievement Medal or Navy Unit Commendation was actually IN the Marines/Navy.

Response by Capt Richard I P. made Dec 31 at 2014 2:56 PM

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Yeah, lets not drag the Corps into the tabs and bangles and badges business. The small amount we have is plenty.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 31 at 2014 7:00 PM

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I had an old CSM, who upon being assigned to the 82nd didn't wear any of his chest candy until after he was officially the CSM. Our brigade CSM saw him without anything and proceeded to berate him about his lack of wings and badges and that in the 82nd, the policy is that you will wear your stuff. My CSM proceeded to laugh in his face and leave after saying, "I'm not 82nd yet guy." The next week when he was officially 82nd, he wore all his stuff. However, he pointed out that the chest candy doesn't change the guy or gal in the uniform. It just kept someone higher off your back.

Response by SGM Mikel Dawson made Jan 1 at 2015 1:45 AM

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I believe there is room for this one as well. I earned this one(out of necessity). Because of the type of unit I ended up in, I had to learn computer and am glad I did. Yes as a SSG I had to brief generals and had to have my poop squared away. Was my skills as an infantryman/ combat engineer judged by my REMF job? Who knows. All I know is I was assigned so I did it.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 1 at 2015 2:24 PM

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I would have to say it is all part of the culture and have to admit that I do look to see if someone is wearing a patch on the right arm however I don't use it as a means to judge another's abilities, skills, or experience. I know people that don't wear their overseas patches. I alternate the two I have depending which set of ACU's I pull out of the closet that morning.

As for Ranger, Sapper, and any other tab it really doesn't matter to me. The badges do help to lend a level of quantification if a person is conducting a class on infantry based skills to be wearing a CIB as I would want someone teaching me about explosives to be wearing an EOD badge.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 1 at 2015 2:22 PM

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Oh! Almost forgot. I do know people who attend virtually every school possible to wear a badge that I wouldn't follow down a dark alley. Lots of bling to impress on the DA Photo but not a whole lot of common sense.

Response by SSG(P) Matthew Bisbee made Jan 2 at 2015 1:22 AM

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During the train-up for my deployment to Afghanistan, we didn't wear any badges on our ACUs. I was a young looking IRR SSG just assigned to a Utah ARNG unit. What they didn't know, was that I already had 18 years in (3 years active duty), Jump School, had three MOS, a senior aircrew member badge, and had been a SSG longer than some of them had been in the Army. I was treated like I didn't know a damn thing. Boy were they surprised when they found out my background.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 2 at 2015 1:49 AM

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At one point I cared about tabs and badges. However as I continued on in my career I realized that they don't mean that much. You may say that I feel that way because I don't have much that is not combat related. To an extent you would be correct.

I have been selected for multiple positions and promotions, in addition to having two commands for a total of 36 months. I did this all without a tab or any wings. As a young officer I was with 1ID and wings meant nothing, you can't do air assault or air drop a tank. Then during my time with 10MTN, I tried to go to air assault school and ranger school but my timing didn't line up with deployments and command. Now I am back with 1ID again and once again you are not stealthy in a tank or Bradley nor do they do well being dropped from any height.

Are tabs and badges good to have? Sure, but they are not the end all be all on a person's ability to lead.

Response by 2LT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 23 at 2015 5:35 PM

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First off I say this in good humor not trying to offend, but I've met so many former marines now in the army or national guard that want recognition for being a marine. My question is if being a marine meant that much to you, why are you no longer a marine and now in another branch? If you want a uniform that says marine on it I believe the USMC might issue one or two.

Response by COL Charles Williams made Jan 23 at 2015 11:04 PM

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A Tab for being a former Marine? Really? That is making the inference that being a Marine is big deal? That, is a matter of opinion. I been have with Marines since/at MP OST, the LTs Course, Ranger School, the CPTs Course, on many combat deployments, and I don't understand why being a Marine would warrant a tab? Are all Marines capable of earning a Sapper, Ranger, Special Forces or Presidents Hundred Tab? No.

All our branches (and MOSs/jobs) matter and are needed. If you think being a Marine is big deal, that is exactly why you were/are a Marine. But, at the Joint level, which is how we fight, we need all of the pieces, and the Army (our Blue Collar workforce) is largest and is also the proponent and execute agent for more missions and duties than any other branch (look it up). The Army (and all branches, have specific missions). If you were a Marine and you got food, water, ammo, fuel etc in combat it originally came from the Army. I could go on, but... Having been to many Army schools, with Marines (many of whom could not meet simple Army Standards) I would say if you want an Army Tab, then go earn one.

Now that I have gotten that off my chest, I would also completely agree with you on the fact that Army is all about doo-dads, badges, and trinkets (though we don't have as many ribbons as the Air Force). I have seen the left and and right shoulder check many times. I respect (and have always admired) the Marine mentality of sterile combat uniforms (utilities/fatigues) and saving all the cool stuff for your dress uniforms. I often wished the Army would adopt that position... Sterile combat uniforms would be a great idea for all of us.

All branches and jobs matter. We fight and win joint and we all need each other. This a team sport. I love and a respect anyone who volunteers to serve.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 24 at 2015 11:26 AM

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Professionals, this is suppose to be a forum to discuss "our profession". If rank determines your authority over another's opinion or your right to try and belittle another because of their career path then this might as well be facebook.

Response by CW5 Sam R. Baker made Jan 24 at 2015 11:44 AM

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I was checked yesterday for not being proud of being an aviator cause I was not sporting my master aviator wings on my flight suit. In the breath of the army trying to close the gap between aviation and all others with the flight suit mirroring the combat uniform of the ground Soldier, then why am I expected to pin on or sew on wings to separate myself. I am proud of my aerial service, but still like to represent as a Soldier first, officer second and aviator third.

Response by COL Ted Mc made Jan 25 at 2015 2:13 PM

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"Rangers" are interesting people. Have you ever taken a close look at a "Ranger Compound"? Did you notice that the barbed wire on the fence is faced so as to make it difficult to get OUT? (The barbed wire on most fences is faced so as to make it difficult to get in.)

However, the Colonel from Lewis-McChord is 100% correct "There isn't a GD thing on a uniform that can take the douche-bag out of someone."

Response by SSG Chris Johnson made May 2 at 2015 5:31 PM

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So you do want a trinket to prove you used to be a marine. ....interesting

Response by SSG Chris Johnson made May 2 at 2015 5:33 PM

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My son is a Ranger. ...go do that! Then ask why marines don't get a tab!

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made May 2 at 2015 6:43 PM

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The army is not all about presentation.

Response by COL Jean (John) F. B. made May 5 at 2015 2:44 PM

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If you want to be recognized as a Marine, you should have stayed a Marine. Most people in the Army don't give one damn that you are a prior service Marine... And why should they? You should be proud of and loyal to your current service. If you cannot do that and must denigrate it, you should get out.

The Marines, of all the services, are all about hype and presentation... more-so than any other branch. Having served with all the military services, frankly, there is no vast difference between any of them, least of all between the Army and Marine Corps.

Response by LTC Bink Romanick made May 5 at 2015 3:09 PM

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Response by Maj Joseph Osborne made May 5 at 2015 3:45 PM

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I hate to see that happen, especially if someone's been there, done that. I know the Marines who crossed into the AF I worked with would kind of just quietly let us figure out their backgrounds. Some were surprisingly bland, while others did more than expected. It does suck to have to prove yourself worthy based on how many, and which, merit badges you wear. Being born from the Army, the flying side of the AF is no different. I always thought we looked like dogs sniffing each other's butts, checking what type of wings, what command patch, and what unit patch the other person was wearing to decide where they stood in the hierarchy. Additionally, guys like me who branched fairly far out from my community to do work on the ground, had to sit back like you as others assumed we sat back eating chicken nuggets all day. I guess the answer I have is, you know who you are and what you've done. Those who should know, will also know. As for the rest of them? Screw them, you've done your part and shouldn't have to prove yourself to anyone.

Response by SSG Billy Wilkerson made May 5 at 2015 3:49 PM

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As I tell everyone who was a Marine who are now Army, This is the Army not the Marines and if they were all that, then why you get out? Hum?

Response by SSG (ret) William Martin made May 6 at 2015 1:43 PM

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What are tabs? I am not serious of course. I doesn't hurt my feelings that I did not even have the opportunity to do AB school or the fact I am without any tabs but do I really care? NO, I do not care one bit and when others have tried to shame me to boost their fragile ego because I didn't have any tabs I will show them and I let them know their tabs mean nothing to me. I think earning those tabs is awesome. It takes a lot of heart and dedication but to manifest an ego and confidence because others don't have any tabs is pretty shallow and weak. I always say something like, "I don't have any tabs for my bachelors or my masters degree". The same goes for others who have earn their AB and AA qualification. I look at them and ask, "So you weren't good enough to go to Ranger school or Special Force qualifications?" "Maybe you should have worked on college classes all these years". Don't get me wrong, I think all those Army schools are great but if someone is going to get cocky with me, I am going to try to shatter their ego because I feel like I have been challenged.

Response by SSG Nick Tramontano made May 16 at 2015 12:30 AM

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I'm sure there's a fair share of people qualified to wear these tabs !!

Response by PO2 Robert Cuminale made May 27 at 2015 7:27 PM

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That was a very noticeable thing about the Navy and Marines. No extraneous stuff all over our uniforms. Ribbons, rate and rating and hash marks. ( If you had them) Some stuff was temporary like a badge or agilet if you were attached to a command or general staff, an "E" shoulder patch and badge for UDT, Subs, etc. I think SEABEES now have a combat badge now if you pass the infantry training course.

Response by SPC Elijah J. Henry, MBA made Jun 19 at 2015 3:54 PM

2015-06-19T15:54:19-04:00

Why a tab? Why not let Marines who are serving in other branches wear their EGAs?

Response by CW3 Kevin Storm made Jun 26 at 2015 5:51 PM

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I have been in Field artillery or Ordnance associated with FA most of my career, and I don't agree with everything you said. Are there tab checkers, sure there is, but it is not universal. I think it gets down to the respective branch of the army you are affiliated with. I was a few in FA ever make it to Ranger school, even less wear the tab so I guess it down to that 1% of the infantry world. I was more impressed when I would see guys on the old 8 inch howitzers hump a "Joe" on each shoulder. That was impressive,that was 400 pounds of steel. I don't care what tab you had, we gave those guys respect! If you getting into a bar room brawl you always wanted the 8 inch guys on your side.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 2 at 2016 4:16 PM

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Being in the National Guard, I see and meet a lot of prior Marines, in fact about 10% of my company use to be in the Corps. They are some of the greatest guys that I've met. Lately I can tell who use to be in the Marines is the ones that have been wearing the 1st Marine Division patch, for the ones that deployed while they were in the Marine Corps.

Response by Sgt Jeff M. made Jan 3 at 2016 2:49 PM

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And vice-versa -- for all services! It's pride and it's part of your qualifications. Why would anyone "down-vote" this idea? Sure, you're in a different branch, but why not have at least some indication of prior, other-branch service?

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 8 at 2016 12:42 AM

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I am just going to say being a Marine is nothing special. I don't see how just because one was a Marine they should get a special tab or badge. I would actually see it as being something that could negatively impact you. A soldier that has been in the Army may know more about the Army than a prior marine so in that case I would rather have the soldier. I know the tab check is something that so many people get all butt hurt about. I wear my Ranger and Airborne Tabs. I went to the schools and I am in an Airborne unit. I think Skill Tabs like Ranger/SF/Sapper are bit more different than a Marine Tab. Would a cook in the Marines get a Marine Tab? It just makes so sense.

Response by Capt Mark Strobl made Jan 8 at 2016 6:44 PM

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Some guys get the Eagle, Globe, & Anchor tattooed on their arm. But, we all get it tattooed on our souls. That's good enough for me, Marine!

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 8 at 2016 9:45 PM

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What next? A badge for prior Air Force, Navy, Boy Scout, etc? The Army is the Army, and we learn not to base initial impressions on just the rank. Just be yourself, work hard, and doing the right thing is what I tell my Soldiers. It shouldn't be like that, but it is. I give everyone the benefit of the doubt, until they show me differently.

Response by SFC Pete Kain made Jan 11 at 2016 4:17 PM

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Just curious, why?
Seriously just why do you think being a former Marine deserves a tab in the Army?
On the other hand go for it and the Marines become another tab/badge to collect. Silly crap all the way around.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 13 at 2016 9:35 AM

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No, that would just be silly.

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 21 at 2016 11:48 AM

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After making a snarky comment about pretty trinkets on Army uniforms, are you saying you want a pretty trinket for yours?

Or perhaps you are saying that this is an appropriate warning label. Marine = this person needs things explained in even simpler terms than usual?

Or maybe it's a label that should be understood to mean, "If you absolutely have to assault a defended position in a head-on banzai charge, send this guy in first. He's used to it."

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Response by Cpl Adam Johns made Jan 26 at 2016 7:18 AM

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I have several friends that made the switch from the Marines to the Army and I guess if you can get a ribbon for throwing a grenade then why not have a pin or ribbin or something showing your prior accomplishments!

Response by Sgt Lonnie Rush made Jan 26 at 2016 7:43 AM

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I like the idea. I have a few friends that have gone into the Army after the Marine Corps and they have all said the same thing.

Response by Sgt Lonnie Rush made Jan 26 at 2016 7:50 AM

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I see a lot of Army only people don't like it. I get that. God forbid you have to admit Marine Corps Boot Camp is above and beyond what Army Basic will ever be.

Response by SSgt Skipper Campbell made Jan 26 at 2016 9:00 AM

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If you wanted to join the U.S. Army after leaving the Corps that's your decision. Using your argument above , that's what your GCR from the Corps is for. Like it or shut up MP what a joke

Response by Cpl Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 26 at 2016 9:19 AM

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If god forbid I had to join the Army, I wouldn't want anyone to know I was a Marine. :D

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 26 at 2016 9:28 AM

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Nope. You changed branches. If you want people to know you're a Marine, you shouldn't have joined the Army.

Response by Capt Michael Brown made Jan 26 at 2016 9:34 AM

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It does not matter where you go, (even in the civilian world) people identify you with what you have done and where you have been. Your first question upon meeting someone new is usually, "What do you do?". As a Marine who has been both enilsted and commissioned, I have always appreciated the relaxing of shoulders when my SNCO's and NCO's learned of my previous experience. But patches do not make the Marine or the soldier. Rest assured that there are people with plenty of decorations who I would never invite into my home. Show your worth daily and people notice your worth. Humility and competence go a long way in my book. Leave 'em in the dust on the PT field and get the job done. Let the glory hounds slobber over their patches and screw 'em.

Response by Cpl Amilcar Mendieta made Jan 26 at 2016 9:37 AM

2016-01-26T09:37:27-05:00

Hell brother, change is a bitch, but you'll always be a Marine, the fact is your working for the army and as such conduct yourself as an Army soldier

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 26 at 2016 10:01 AM

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I don't see a reason there should not be a tab for former Marines. If you have specialized background, they have a tab for that. If you come from me specific unit, they have a tab for that. Let the Marine Corps background or others stand out.

Response by CDR Michael Goldschmidt made Jan 26 at 2016 11:04 AM

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From a Navy officer's point of view: yay, yet another tab.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 26 at 2016 11:04 AM

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One simple question and no disrespect intended but: If you are so proud of being a prior service Marine and it is so important to you that people know this, why didn't you just stay in the Marines?

Response by SgtMaj Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 26 at 2016 11:15 AM

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You did not wear any tabs as a Marine. You now JOINED the army. Why would you feel the need to wear something that would detract from THE TEAM or make you stand out as an INDIVIDUAL? ONCE A MARINE, ALWAYS A MARINE is enough. Let your actions speak louder than your words, or your tabs.

Response by SMSgt Thor Merich made Jan 26 at 2016 1:53 PM

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I am former Army before I went to the Air Force. My old Air Guard unit had many former Army and Marines in it. I don't know about a tab, per se. But I would like to see some type of uniform marking to indicate that someone has come from another service. Most two service guys are in the Guard and Reserve, and I think that many of them would appreciate the recognition.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 26 at 2016 4:04 PM

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I don't think so. I might join the Army as an officer, and besides what I've earned, I don't think it's wise to find stuff or ask for stuff to tack on to a uniform to make you stand out; last time I checked, being a badge chaser is frowned upon. Even indicating past service while in the Corps might not be good in a cultural-wise sense. Standing out might make things difficult between you and whomever you're working with, as how you act may be viewed as completely dependent on what you learned while leading within the Corps. Suffice to say, there is a divide between our services culturally-speaking for some time despite our many commonalities. Perhaps if you had a Combat Action Ribbon and others looked at that while you're in your service uniform, that might mean something (even if you rate a CIB because of your training as an 03xx); otherwise, if people asked you where you've been for the past decade, maybe telling them about your experiences might help break whatever ice is left between you. If you haven't done so already, translate your experiences and views into COAs that can help better the Soldiers around you not in a parading way but in a humble fashion. Otherwise, the best thing to do is to stop being so self-conscious about what you've got and focus on the now. Resting on your laurels is never a good thing to do.

Response by Cpl G Baldwin made Jan 26 at 2016 4:49 PM

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Like a warning Label.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Jan 26 at 2016 5:15 PM

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Oh hell no!

Response by Sgt Hard Philips made Jan 26 at 2016 5:28 PM

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From my time in the Corps ('68-72), the USMC maroon and blue Good Conduct medal differs from the red and white one issued by the Army. (Luckily my interaction then with Marine MPs didn't get in the way of my getting one {10 years in the Corps you might even have clusters!}). The Army should let you wear your MC awards. Anyone saw the MC ribbons they'd have to ask, eh? Perhaps just being honorably discharged from the Corps, or any Service, ought to give one to go. Pointedly it could be brown and instead of a star it could have the prior service emblem - quite a brownie point! Wouldn't matter to anyone not planning on switching Services; when I got to be a vet it was "Semper Fi...nally!"

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Jan 26 at 2016 7:52 PM

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A prior service Marine is already authorized to wear his/her Combat Action Ribbon on his dress uniform. So that badge of distinction is already there. If they don't rate one of those, then that Marine time isn't really worth advertising anyway.

Response by 1stSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 26 at 2016 9:24 PM

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To keep it simple. A Marine does not need a tab, the way he/she speaks, looks and carries themselves will make them stand out. Hopefully in a good way.

Response by Sgt Joe Quesada made Jan 27 at 2016 1:58 AM

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I agree, as a army infantryman who later joined the Marine Corps. I myself witnessed firsthand Marines in the Army infantry were treated with the respect they earned and deserved. Me going into the Corps after 11 years in the army I was treated respectfully, but I did earn the CIB while in the army and was allowed to wear the Combat Action Ribbon in it place. So that let other Marines know that I had been and done things that at the time there weren't many with my rank that had. I'm all for Marines having something that shows they've been around the block a few times. Semper Fi brother!

Response by Cpl Jeffrey Zaines made Jan 27 at 2016 2:39 AM

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You should have gone back to the MARINES where there are no trinket games. Your either enlisted or officer, but all MARINES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 27 at 2016 5:34 AM

2016-01-27T05:34:15-05:00

Not sure how I feel about this.... have a Marine tab/device/patch perhaps, and then what? I understand the pride, but being in another branch means you moved on, and accepted their awards, values and traditions, etc.. Not saying you revoked or abandoned honor, courage and commitment because of the move, but what would that make/prove? Hopefully I'm not missing the point, but even if I were to crossdeck, I'm leaving one organization and entering another - it would be like me keeping MARPAT, so they would know who I am. I'd rather work and prove than have a tab/badge (although it would look cool to have a Ranger and Airborne tab)... which again, we don't really have in the USMC, besides Jump wings (gold and lead sleds, Jump Master included), scuba bubble (there were 2 variants), EOD (few variants I think, correct me if I'm wrong), Naval Aviator, Naval Navigator and Aircrew...

Response by Cpl Tracey Chapman made Jan 27 at 2016 8:03 AM

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I feel because your a vet marine you should have a tab and whatever means to show in leadership experience and the physical fitness you obtain in 10 years of service you are more qualified in all aspects of rank and service

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 27 at 2016 11:30 AM

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Former Marines are so special we need a patch or tab to designate our former status as serving in a different branch. Because, you know, physical fitness and feelings. Who needs a tab to say you used to be a marine when every former marine is sure to bring it up in every conversation no matter how relevant.

Response by CPO Randy Francis made Jan 27 at 2016 11:50 AM

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Would the tab say "Previously Failed IQ Test"?

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 27 at 2016 12:45 PM

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No, for whatever reason that Marine left his Corps and joined the Army, I see no need for them to get special recognition for having been in the Marine Corps.

Response by COL Peter Aubrey made Jan 27 at 2016 12:51 PM

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As a former Marine and retired Airborne, Ranger, Special Forces officer, I couldnt disagree more. I am proud of my Marine service, but being a Marine didnt give me the skills and qualifications for a special badge, it made me discplined and ready to learn. Being a Marine helped prepare for future challenages, it did not replace them. I learned the knowledge, applied the skills and executed the missions required to get those qualifications. My Dad asked me after Ranger School if the harrasment was as bad as they claimed. I laughed an said it was like a bad day in the FMF, yet I also lost 40 pounds, had huge sores all over my body and was at a low point of physical conditioning due tomthe stresses of the course. I earned all the badges that you seem to cite as well as being an alumni of the University of Parris Island.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 27 at 2016 12:52 PM

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I was a prior service Marine for 11 years as a MP and CID agent. I've now been in the Guard for 10 years. Aside from the ribbon rack, the only thing I truly carry over from the Marines is military bearing and presence. I later earned a CAB and a CIB, but those were just things earned over time and through experience. I joined the guard when I was 43 years old, and was never invited to, or inclined to attend Air Assault or Airborne schools.

When I joined the Guard, no one really cared I was a prior service Marine: all they cared about was how good of a Soldier I was and how I integrated into the company.

I've been married 3 times and divorced twice, but what good it is to look backwards? I don't need a badge or patch to show how I learned from those experiences. Same goes for having attended the Parris Island School for Boys (and girls).

Drink water. Change your socks!

S/F

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 27 at 2016 1:22 PM

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A uniform item does not mean being a better Soldier than anyone else. Most of us outgrew the expert bayonet, grenade, and machine gun badges when we were E-1s. Can't even believe people are entertaining this post.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 27 at 2016 2:24 PM

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So, should a Marine Food Service Specialist get a tab too? I know Marines have very high esprit de corps, but 'just' being a marine doesn't really mean as much as you'd like it to. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Response by Capt Walter Miller made Jan 27 at 2016 2:53 PM

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I didn't like it when they went to name tapes either. Apparently for the benefit of some officers so they would be cool at news conferences.

Walt

Response by SSG Rob Kumpf made Jan 27 at 2016 2:56 PM

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This has got to be one of the dumbest things I've seen on RallyPoint, and that's saying something.

Response by Capt Walter Miller made Jan 27 at 2016 3:25 PM

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A big and really important difference between the Army and the Marine Corps is that the Army focuses on Branch loyalty and of course all that Christmas Tree ornamentation the Army favors on its uniforms. Loyalty to the Army as whole is denigrated and belittled.

In the Marine Corps loyalty to the whole institution is stressed. Marines don’t need unit patches or tabs or any of that. It’s “My Corps, Your Corps, Our Corps, Marine Corps!”

Some won’t accept my opinion, although of course you should. The Marine Corps has developed institutional values that are simply better than the Army’s. Most Marines can name off the top of their head, Dan Daley, Manilla John Basilone, Smedley Butler, Chesty Puller, Jason Dunham, Mitchell Paige. They know that Camps Hansen and Schwab on Okinawa are named for Marines that died saving their friends. They know about Guadalcanal and Tarawa and Iwo Jima and Chosin Reservoir and Hue City and Fallujah.

Because the Marine Corps has made a point to keep it alive, Marines who are now in 1/8 or 3/5 or 1/7 know the history of those units. The Marines in 1/9 know it is “The Walking Dead.” The Army doesn’t do that. I remember when I first got to PI one of the Marines telling a former soldier now a USMC recruit: “The Army doesn’t teach history because it doesn’t have any history worth teaching.”

Walt

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 27 at 2016 3:47 PM

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I am also a prior service Marine and I have come across this a lot since I switched branches. To be honest, have special tabs just because I was a Marine doesn't matter to me at all. There is only one that is stupid in my opinion. The fact that I can not wear a combat patch just because I was not deployed as a Soldier is ridiculous. If a Solider can wear a Marine Corps patch, I think that a prior service Marine should be allowed to wear a patch as well. The rest is whatever in my opinion.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 27 at 2016 4:13 PM

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No. I don't think that they should. Should it be on their ERB/ORB? Sure. But as for a piece on their uniform, no. Because service in any other Branch does not make you any more or less qualified in the Army. Your job will probably be different, and your responsibilities likewise. So, in short, prior service is great, but does not warrant a distinguishing tab/badge/ribbon/patch.

Response by SCPO Jason McLaughlin made Jan 27 at 2016 4:14 PM

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Absolutely!!!! It should read "GFP"....Glutton For Punishment!

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 27 at 2016 4:29 PM

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First off, props for serving elsewhere and continuing to serve after a break in service. I think crossing over to different branches is good for both the individual and for others that the individual will serve with. HOWEVER, I'm not sure how this is right or what train of thought produced this. I know the Marines take pride and culture a lot more seriously in many ways than the Army, at least publicly, but exactly WHY do you need a uniform device signifying you served in the Corps (or elsewhere) previously? If you're wearing a uniform that has your salad on it, it's your ARMY uniform and you're most likely wearing it in an ARMY capacity and will be identified as an ARMY Soldier. You'll be approached as a Soldier, not a Marine. Cause that's what you are now.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 27 at 2016 4:38 PM

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SSG James J. Palmer IV aka "JP4" What do these responses have to do with this question unless the author changed the question on the thread to show these responses as an example.

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 27 at 2016 4:57 PM

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Did you change the question to a post from a year ago? That seems super professional.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 27 at 2016 5:23 PM

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So, if I re-enlisted to the Air Force after the Army, does that qualify me for the Billy Badass ribbon, badge, or patch as well while wearing Air force ABUs? The army already have deployment patches for the prior marines or those who deployed with marines respective to MEUs they deployed. This point is irrelevant.

SFC Joseph Galvan really? Are you living my closet and tape testing me all day or actually seen me recently?

https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/227305_ [login to see] 951_7110038_n.jpg?oh=a0166a6c98a5070a01d0b4fd86a0472b&oe=573F9488 Just for the reference how "fat I was". Did I mention marine recruiters approached me after my first enlistment?

Regardless what the fk does it have to do with original argument? Calling me overweight to completely ignore the core of the argument for some special tab because someone was marine is like arguing that Marine cook deserves one and stating that Marine cook is better than US Army infantryman at infantry job.

Response by SGT Rick Ash made Jan 27 at 2016 6:53 PM

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Facebook is a bunch of friends plus people you meet but it's for civilians. We are a Band of Brothers & Sisters, bound together by or experiences in serving our country. Remember, only about 1% of US citizens ever serve in the military. All of the popular social meeting sites are for civilians so RP is unique. With the discipline we had instilled while serving our country we should have NO Problem maintaining professionalism.

Response by CPO Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 28 at 2016 10:19 AM

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I would ask you this are sailors allowed to wear their hard earned warfare pins like ESWOS, Seabee Combat, Submarine, Air and I believe the answer is know and some of the pins take up to 24 months to earn. You have ribbons that is all you need.

I would has add this some sailors earned combat patches should they place those on the NWU III and NWU II uniform in place of the don't tread on me flag NO, so you should not have a Marine patch.

Response by Maj John Bell made Jan 28 at 2016 10:53 AM

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Lions don't need to roar.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 28 at 2016 11:01 AM

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I don't think this is necessary. Can I get a huge Velcro patch on my back so I can wear all the patches from every unit I've served in???? HAHAHA

Response by Cadet 2LT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 28 at 2016 4:02 PM

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If they go from the marines to the army then go to one of the special forces groups then, yes. Otherwise there is nothing about being a marine that makes you more elite than a soldier in the army. Marine infantry is no better than army infantry. Going from marine special operations doesn't mean you are entitled to the special forces tab either. Just because marines think they are special doesn't mean they are or that they get special treatment when they go to another branch. I know plenty of people who go from one branch to another. The only thing they get is to keep the rank they earned. Just because marines think they are special doesn't mean they are and doesn't give them special treatment over anyone else.

Response by CPO Andy Carrillo, MS made Jan 28 at 2016 8:09 PM

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That would be as helpful as asking your current love to wear an ex's underwear...not cool. Dance with the one you've taken to the dance...

Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 4 at 2016 12:44 PM

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If it says Sniper which we have, sure. If it says Marine Recon why not? I also have no current stance on the Air Assault tab, but I do feel the 101st here at Ft Campbell shouldn't have airborne tabs.

Response by Cpl Glynis Sakowicz made Feb 9 at 2016 7:53 AM

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I cannot see anyone who was prior service in the Marines, actually needing anything on a uniform stating their prior service. Now, I do believe that there are some people who might want to ID prior service Marines because there are some things that seem to drive us to act in certain ways, because of our past training, but I would think any ID notating such things, would be more for the use of those around us.... something like the small "Do not antagonize the zoo animals" signs, are put up to protect those near them, not the animals themselves.
The Marine inside us never quite goes away, you see. We will always be a bit more intense than most others, simply because the training we've had never quite leaves us, and its not large things. Its often small things, like that nano-second blank stare we get when someone asks our first name, or we hear a comment about 'crazy Marines.'

Response by Cpl Tim Daudelin made Feb 9 at 2016 10:25 AM

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I know if they have combat experience with the Corps the wear the division patch on the right but yes a tab that says Marine is appropriate just like Ranger or SF

Response by LCpl Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 9 at 2016 1:12 PM

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no, they should have at least a good conduct medal from the Corps, and posibly other medals and ribbons also they'll get a hash mark

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 9 at 2016 2:46 PM

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No because if you wore a tab it would be harder for you to blend in with rocks and those bus seats in Kuwait.

Response by SGT William Benson made Feb 9 at 2016 5:12 PM

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As a Veteran Marine with combat time, when I became a soldier, I was roundly informed that my 15+ years of service as a Marine Machine Gunner (0331) meant absolutely squat. It pretty much set the tone for the rest of my "hitch". I was told that I didn't talk correctly, because the Army doesn't stand "watches"... I watched a supposed NCO give a class on the weapon system in which I had specialized (the M2 .50 HMG) and I finally had to step in after the "instructor" made his third error ("cocking lever" (on the bolt vs. "retracting slide lock lever" (the handle sticking out on the right side of the gun to charge it), improper timing procedure, no mention of setting headspace during pre-mission prep.
I actually had to stand toe to toe with some pretty smug NCOs and fight to get them to realize that I was right, and they were wrong.
I was fortunate enough to work with a number of NCOs who were thorough professionals, but there were plenty who bought too heavily into the whole Army/Marine rivalry.

Response by Cpl Dave Dziados made Feb 9 at 2016 7:29 PM

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Ive read most of the comments on here some good some bad.just for starters i did 8 years as a marine and 4 army.that said,tabs mean nothing to me.when i joined the army i saw privates with more ribons than i had.the army gives you a ribon or tab for everything from blowing your nose to throwing a grenade. I did all of that and more in the marines and never got ribbons or awards. Though i was in combat i never got a cib but army guys have them.so in short ot dosnt matter whats on your chest or shoulder. Ive net assholes with and without that didnt deserve to be called solder or marine.ive met more dedicated men and women with nothing on theyre chest that deserved more respect than some with a chest full of ribbons

Response by Sgt Keefe Porter Sr. made Feb 10 at 2016 6:30 AM

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Yes

Response by Cpl Kent Mitchell made Feb 10 at 2016 7:18 AM

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We have all we need. It's an emblem with the Eagle, Globe and Anchor.

Response by GySgt Charles O'Connell made Feb 10 at 2016 7:29 AM

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Will they have tabs for other branches of service? Why have a prior service tab at all? In answer to the question presented....No!

Response by Sgt Mike Clark made Feb 10 at 2016 2:54 PM

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Not sure about the tab situation. I do know you can wear your medals and ribbons awarded to you as a Marine though. They have made accomodations for the one Sikh who serves in the Army that he can wear his traditional headdress, so I would suggest getting ahold of someone in charge of Army Uniform Regulations and asking them directly.

Good Luck and Semper Fidelis

Response by Sgt Jason Bowen made Feb 11 at 2016 7:42 PM

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Response by Sgt Jason Bowen made Feb 11 at 2016 7:43 PM

2016-02-11T19:43:32-05:00

Should a prior service Marine now in the Army have a special tab indicating their background?

No. Because Marines know that a simple fucking piece of cloth attached to your clothing doesn't mean anything. Every time I look at an Army uniform, I am reminded of the movie "Office Space", in which Jennifer Aniston is compared to her counterpart because he has 37 pieces of flare and she doesn't.

It's the pieces-of-flare collecting assclowns that eventually work their way into leadership positions and want to create more pieces of flare to show off everything they've done, Kindergarten style. Maybe I can get some ribbons and tabs for all the distance courses I did in the Marines. Math for Marines. Finance for Marines. Etc, etc. I'll be decked out.

Response by Cpl Kent Mitchell made Feb 18 at 2016 11:58 AM

2016-02-18T11:58:39-05:00

I misread the post just like I do instructions on assembling a bicycle and got it wrong, of course.
The answer from this old Marine is that we wouldn't need a tab. You'd know in short order because we'd let you know. Over and over. Just Marines being Marines. We're kinda proud of it.

Response by LCpl Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 26 at 2016 3:49 PM

2016-02-26T15:49:24-05:00

I went from the Marine Corps to the Army in the 70's. I never saw combat in either branch BUT my bearing, my manner, my uniform (not to mention shooting) all said prior service, so no need for a special tab. (I had a hard time with saluting indoors without a cover), To tell you the truth, , it was a pain in the a** always changing the patches the Army had and getting new brass that had to be changed too when you moved to other units and bases.

Response by CW4 Don Kite made May 11 at 2017 1:36 PM

2017-05-11T13:36:42-04:00

No because if they stayed their full tour they would have recieved the Marine Good Conduct Medal for their time or even more. It transfers over to the Army and can be worn on the class A uniform along with their Combat Action Ribbon.

Response by LCpl Douglas Landrith Jr made Sep 21 at 2017 4:06 PM

2017-09-21T16:06:03-04:00

I am not 100% sure since i have only ever been a Marine but, if you earned the dive bubble or jump wings in the Corps I think you could wear them since you earned them. I'm not sure about the French fourragere that the 5th and 6th Marine Divisions can wear. There should be no issue with something like the Navy & Marine Corps Medal though.

Response by LCpl Edward Brown made Sep 21 at 2017 5:01 PM

2017-09-21T17:01:47-04:00

As a former Marine who knew soldiers who joined the Corps and had friends who joined the Army after leaving the Corps. A badge isn't necessary. They'll tell you all about their time in the other branches. Most of the people both civilian and vets seem surprised when I tell them I was in the Corps and most of them say things like "You don't act like a Marine. Or Really? How come you don't have that tough guy bad ass Marine attitude." It ain't about how you act it's about how you carry yourself and do your duty. Be proud of what you do not what you did.

Response by PO1 David Johnson made Sep 21 at 2017 6:17 PM

2017-09-21T18:17:49-04:00

He does, a USMC good conduct medal on his chest along with other naval service awards.

Response by 1SG David Akerson made Sep 21 at 2017 6:18 PM

2017-09-21T18:18:03-04:00

No, individual is in he Army now.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 21 at 2017 10:01 PM

2017-09-21T22:01:52-04:00

Why do they need a tab? Just look at their vehicle with 40 USMC stickers on it...

Response by SGT Chad Cherry made Sep 27 at 2017 10:03 PM

2017-09-27T22:03:41-04:00

Yes. In the Army patches, tabs, and medals tell a story and they physically shows others soldiers that they have been there done that, but it also creates a seperate subculture within the branch of service. Any modification to a unform denotes a special circumstance and reduces a ranks worth overall if some hasn't been deployeed. I dont think the Marines need any extra bling to seperate the Marine Corps.