Frat boys spit on wounded vet, urinate on American flag! What are your thoughts?

LTC Scott O'Neil — Fri, 24 Apr 2015 09:20:18 -0400

Here is an article that has infuriated me beyond comprehension. It is not the content but the actions of the individuals who perpetrated the act. Veterans we have a voice it is time we use it within our government. Do you fellow veterans realize that less than 15% of congress has served in the military. Do you want to know why our voices never get heard. Now the younger generations of this great nation are treating our veterans who have bled for this nation and in cases died for this nation with disrespect and distaste. An Oh what about the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff trivializing the losses of life and limb it took to secure Ramadi. It kills me when one of our own, the senior leader within the military, trivializes the losses our military have taken during the most recent wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. If that were done to Bastogne or Normandy there would have been serious repercussions. Here only a letter of apology to a mother who had the guts to stand up and say what was in her heart.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/04/24/frat-boys-spit-on-wounded-vet-urinate-on-american-flag/

Response by CPT Zachary Brooks made Apr 24 at 2015 9:27 AM

CPT Zachary Brooks — Fri, 24 Apr 2015 09:27:04 -0400

I read about this the other day. Pathetic really.

I wonder what will happen to the Frat?

Is this what kids are taught these days? That desecrating the symbol of the country that gives them such freedom is cool and a good idea?

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 24 at 2015 9:32 AM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 24 Apr 2015 09:32:27 -0400

It's disgusting, but it's symptomatic of America today. Not just for vets but for everyone - a total lack of respect.

Response by 1SG Scott MacGregor made Apr 24 at 2015 9:49 AM

1SG Scott MacGregor — Fri, 24 Apr 2015 09:49:25 -0400

Round them all up and send them to basic training...old school!

Response by SGT James Elphick made Apr 24 at 2015 11:18 AM

SGT James Elphick — Fri, 24 Apr 2015 11:18:35 -0400

This is a deeper divide in society and more than just simple disrespect. I saw it in Austin and I've seen and heard about it other places. I'm reminded of Col. Jesop, and I'm paraphrasing, but he says "you live under the blanket of freedom I provide and then question the manner in which I provide it?" And I think that is what you see from elitist, mostly Republican types unfortunately, who spout off about patriotism and national security and what we as a nation need to do about it but then look down with disdain on the dirty, foul-mouthed, tattooed grunts who actually answered the call and did what was asked, right or wrong. And when mature adults can act like that it's not unbelievable that their children will act with disrespect toward those same grunts because of a perceived elevated status.

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Apr 24 at 2015 11:53 AM

SFC Michael Hasbun — Fri, 24 Apr 2015 11:53:20 -0400

Tangentially related and well stated...

http://www.mintpressnews.com/what-you-arent-being-told-about-the-valdosta-flag-incident/204576/

VIDEO: What You Aren’t Being Told About The Valdosta Flag Incident

The flag is a symbol. You cannot honor the symbol while destroying the very thing it is supposed to symbolize.

Response by MSgt Jeff S. made Apr 24 at 2015 12:15 PM

MSgt Jeff S. — Fri, 24 Apr 2015 12:15:43 -0400

Camp Rudder is not far away from Panama City. Perhaps these young men would accept an invitation to drink some beers and have a rousing political discussion with the fine young soldiers who are in the home stretch for their Ranger tab.

I'd pay money to see that ....

Response by Capt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 24 at 2015 12:22 PM

Capt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 24 Apr 2015 12:22:56 -0400

I think I too would be in jail had I witnessed this.

Response by SFC Stephen King made Apr 24 at 2015 12:37 PM

SFC Stephen King — Fri, 24 Apr 2015 12:37:18 -0400

I am so diappointed with today's college students. If I witnessed this I be needing to also make a phone call. I support freedom but this draws the line.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 24 at 2015 12:59 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 24 Apr 2015 12:59:04 -0400

that kind of behavior is intolerabe to anyone but especially disgraceful to our wounded vets and the flag. Although the national frat applogized, that chapter shoukd be kicked ofg campus and the students expelled and prosecuted!

Response by CPL Stanley Boschet made Apr 24 at 2015 1:22 PM

CPL Stanley Boschet — Fri, 24 Apr 2015 13:22:34 -0400

I believe in my oath I took when I first enlisted in 1990. I will defend this country against all enemies foreign and domestic. If he would have spit on a veteran in front of me, my path would have lead me to jail that day. This is a weakness of mine to watch a comrade of any generation be disrespected, is assault on the military all branches, all ranks, all genders, religions and races. This is an act of terrorism. We train, suffer and die for our country, I will not stand ideally by while any of my brothers or sister are treated in such a way. As for our flag, you don't like America . Get the HELL out, go somewhere else you don't have to stay. Maybe after a few years they will realize how ignorant they really were. Besides I've noticed they only buy small American flags, you know the plastic feeling ones, besides I saluted the flags on post, have fun urinating on that flag, my brothers and sister will be their to help you understand the error of your ways. I apologize for my weakness but this is one of a few subjects that really gets me upset.

Response by Capt Richard I P. made Apr 24 at 2015 2:09 PM

Capt Richard I P. — Fri, 24 Apr 2015 14:09:08 -0400

Sgt Scott Cheek is interested in organizing a protest:
https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/who-wants-to-join-a-rally-against-zeta-beta-tau-at-emory

Who wants to join a rally against Zeta Beta Tau at Emory? | RallyPoint

Has anyone seen the news where memebers of the above fraternity spit, threw beers on wounded veterans and pissed on the American flag? I'm looking for memebers to help me rally against this fraternity at Emory Univerity in Atlanta. There needs to be attention on this issue!Any takers? Spread the word. Once we get enough support we can set a time

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Apr 24 at 2015 5:14 PM

MAJ Ken Landgren — Fri, 24 Apr 2015 17:14:52 -0400

I just put it on FB to share. I hope the whole nation hears about it. Punkasses who have yet to do anything for the country but go to school and are society's leaches. Being drunk is no excuse. There are some things you just do not do even when drunk.

Response by SSG Trevor S. made Apr 24 at 2015 5:52 PM

SSG Trevor S. — Fri, 24 Apr 2015 17:52:08 -0400

There are various crimes that should be prosecuted in this case, assuming the story is true.

1. Cruelty to animals
828.12 Cruelty to animals.—
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0800-0899/0828/Sections/0828.12.html

2. Mistreating the disabled. - Hate Crime - Spitting on the disabled Veteran that required a service dog.
775.085 Evidencing prejudice while committing offense; reclassification.—
App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0700-0799/0775/Sections/0775.085.html

3. Indecent exposure - during the process of urinating on the Flag.
800.03 Exposure of sexual organs.
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?mode=View%20Statutes&SubMenu=1&App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=indecent+exposure&URL=0800-0899/0800/Sections/0800.03.html

4. Battery - for throwing beer on the Veteran(s) and physically harming them.
784.03 Battery; felony battery.—
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?mode=View%20Statutes&SubMenu=1&App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=battery&URL=0700-0799/0784/Sections/0784.03.html

5. Assault - for creating a situation that would be reasonably be assumed to be physically hostile.
784.011 Assault.—
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?mode=View%20Statutes&SubMenu=1&App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=assault&URL=0700-0799/0784/Sections/0784.011.html

Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : Online SunshineThe Florida StatutesF.S. 828.12

Response by SPC Sonny Jack made Apr 25 at 2015 12:55 AM

SPC Sonny Jack — Sat, 25 Apr 2015 00:55:16 -0400

Well that really is "FUBAR'",,there was an incident pretty similar to that here in Alaska,,but there was one guy disrespectful towards veterans and our soldiers who were participants who lead a parade.I think most never gets reported or nothing done that is remotely fitting to the level of disrespect shown to our fellow bothers and sisters.

Response by SFC Douglas Davis made Apr 25 at 2015 1:13 AM

SFC Douglas Davis — Sat, 25 Apr 2015 01:13:30 -0400

This is the entitled generation they go to school party. Then move home because they are to lazy to find a job any job. This Frat should be removed from both Universities and the students involved kicked out of school. They should also be given no government monies until they have shown proper remorse. Say volunteering at a hospital with many disabled Vets. We as a society must quit making excuses for them and start administering hard justice. Time for them to grow up.

Response by SPC Jan Allbright, M.Sc., R.S. made Apr 26 at 2015 9:24 AM

SPC Jan Allbright, M.Sc., R.S. — Sun, 26 Apr 2015 09:24:44 -0400

Perhaps some justice meted out...
http://www.stripes.com/news/us/university-of-florida-suspends-fraternity-over-abuse-of-wounded-veterans-1.342105

Response by MSG Brad Sand made Apr 26 at 2015 10:41 AM

MSG Brad Sand — Sun, 26 Apr 2015 10:41:31 -0400

Sometimes, I miss the good old days...days when a story like this would have had a bunch of drunk frat boys get their asses handed to them by a bunch of scared and injured old men and when the police got there, the frat boys would have a bonding night in jail.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Apr 26 at 2015 10:55 AM

MAJ Ken Landgren — Sun, 26 Apr 2015 10:55:04 -0400

It is disgusting to see what should be young scholars whose sole mission in life is to learn and become more mature, treat our vets who have sacrificed 100 times what these punks have.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 26 at 2015 12:58 PM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 26 Apr 2015 12:58:24 -0400

It's best if I don't post my real thoughts here but further action needs to be taken to at least punish these individuals.

Response by SPC Michael Frugoli made Apr 26 at 2015 1:40 PM

SPC Michael Frugoli — Sun, 26 Apr 2015 13:40:11 -0400

Thought would definitely be jail time for the assault if the spit actually landed on that veteran or person then you have battery (The definitions vary by state)

And then to willingly and knowingly know it's a veteran and act that way it's disgraceful.

Although jail time would be in my book they probably wouldn't get any

Response by SSgt Sharron Nolley made Apr 26 at 2015 2:00 PM

SSgt Sharron Nolley — Sun, 26 Apr 2015 14:00:42 -0400

I think this is a sign of treason , and charges should be filed ! And also for assult on the veteran .. Plain and simple .

Response by SPC David S. made Apr 26 at 2015 9:24 PM

SPC David S. — Sun, 26 Apr 2015 21:24:39 -0400

I would be getting locked up if I saw some one piss on the flag. The frat's national office is doing in investigation and those responsible will be getting expelled from the frat. I think community service at Malcom Randall VA Medical Center would be a good punishment - empty a million bedpans should do the trick.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 26 at 2015 9:25 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 26 Apr 2015 21:25:26 -0400

There are no words to properly express the rage that builds in most of us when we see a fellow vet and our flag disrespected. I can't comprehend why you would ruin your nations flag. Then you disrespect someone you sacrificed more than you ever will in your lifetime for your freedom and you spit on him?! I try to chalk it up as straight ignorance. Kids these days just have no freaking clue about anything our nation stands for and the things we sacrifice to fight for people like that. Absolutely sad.

Response by LTC Scott O'Neil made Apr 29 at 2015 8:32 AM

LTC Scott O'Neil — Wed, 29 Apr 2015 08:32:36 -0400

Univ. of Florida closes fraternity over abuse of wounded vets, Justice is served in Florida now waiting to see what Georgia does.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/04/29/university-florida-closes-fraternity-over-inappropriate-behavior/

The University of Florida closed a fraternity Tuesday amid allegations that its members hurled drunken insults and spat at a group of disabled veterans at a Panama City Beach resort

Univ. of Florida closes fraternity over abuse of wounded vets

The University of Florida closed a fraternity Tuesday amid allegations that its members hurled drunken insults and spat at a group of disabled veterans at a Panama City Beach resort.

Response by PO2 Thatch Towlerton made May 2 at 2015 5:50 AM

PO2 Thatch Towlerton — Sat, 02 May 2015 05:50:56 -0400

I wish Everybody had to do a 2yr in a branch of the service. They would appreciate there freedom and respect their vets. just my opinion

Response by MSG Morgan Fiszel, CPCM, CFCM made May 2 at 2015 6:20 AM

MSG Morgan Fiszel, CPCM, CFCM — Sat, 02 May 2015 06:20:08 -0400

They got what they deserve.

Response by CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member made May 8 at 2015 3:39 AM

CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 08 May 2015 03:39:08 -0400

First of all these idiots, college boys have no idea what Price was paid for their freedom of speech and I doubt very much that any of them have any backbone or Pride and Courage to serve Our Country in any branch of service. These idiots are very lucky that Marine veterans from past wars don't start sniping at them and do a job on them. I'm glad I don't live in Florida and I doubt I will ever see the place. Sicko's that's what they are. From one Combat Marine Gunner. S/F, CWO3 J.K.K

Response by SSgt Marshall Franklin made May 8 at 2015 3:52 AM

SSgt Marshall Franklin — Fri, 08 May 2015 03:52:50 -0400

I will put this article on my Facebook page as well. I know my ex girlfriend her son started getting kind of rowdy her brother is a drill sergeant in the army she set him down there when he was 16 I told her brother to do whatever it takes he came back that fall and he was yes mam no mam yes sir no sir and I've never seen him so well behaved. maybe these kids need to spend a few weeks with a good drill sergeant preferably one with breath so bad you have a heart I'm not passing out with him yelling at you.