For the NCOER, should your notional leadership position match your actual MTOE position?

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 07 Aug 2018 17:33:49 -0400

So I have always been taught that your principle duty title on the NCOER must match your MTOE position's title. For most of my current rating period, I have been doing my MTOE'd duties, but have also notionally been the "HQ PSG" for our HHC, to include keeping accountability of the DFAC, supply, and training room Soldiers and running the training room. I was recently told that since DA PAM 623-3 says "Enter principal duty title that matches the unit force management document or that most accurately reflects actual duties performed." it is possible to have HQ PSG put on my next NCOER as the principle duty title since "nobody is going to go back and check if it's an actual MTOE position.." I feel like my NCOER would better reflect my rating by keeping my MTOE position as principle duty title, and maybe mentioning HQ PSG under appointed duties or areas of special emphasis. What do you think?

Response by SGT Joseph Gunderson made Aug 7 at 2018 5:43 PM

SGT Joseph Gunderson — Tue, 07 Aug 2018 17:43:52 -0400

I have always been told that it should indicate the MTOE'd slot.

Response by SFC Marc W. made Aug 7 at 2018 6:34 PM

SFC Marc W. — Tue, 07 Aug 2018 18:34:57 -0400

For mine, we did HQ NCOIC as duty position and the description included a lot of what a PSG would have and added in the unique parts of a HQ position.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 8 at 2018 8:29 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 08 Aug 2018 08:29:58 -0400

I think you answered your question. It should reflect your MTOE position, and have PSG as additional duties. The most important thing in the NCOER is not the position but the performance of the duties. Ensure the PSG duties have the strongests bullets possible. Also look at DA 600-25, what is the best position for your rank? Good luck in your future endeavors.

Response by SFC William Stephens made Aug 8 at 2018 10:01 AM

SFC William Stephens — Wed, 08 Aug 2018 10:01:35 -0400

They just need to come out with a whole new NCOER system. POINT BLANK it's not justified anymore. Too many great people getting pasted over because NCO's and senior leadership can't write a simple NCOER.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 9 at 2018 12:13 AM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 09 Aug 2018 00:13:48 -0400

Conveniently, the Army provides a reference for everything we do. In this case, DA Pam 623-3 is the one you’re looking for.

As a side note, I hate hearing leaders chime in just to say “I’ve always been told” or “the way we always did it”. Dig into the regs and get the real answer, don’t just mindlessly regurgitate info that may or may not be correct and/or out of date.

Response by 1SG Timothy Trewin made Aug 9 at 2018 2:14 PM

1SG Timothy Trewin — Thu, 09 Aug 2018 14:14:48 -0400

I needs to reflect the MTOE position, but in the Daily Duties and Scope section makes sure it says “serves as the HQ Platoon Sergeant.....”. Make sure it, along with your bullets reflect your duties as the HQ PSG. Also make sure that your Senior Rater reflects that in their comments as well.