Food Allergies vs Anti Vaxxers?

TSgt Joshua Copeland — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 08:08:51 -0500

As seen on FaceBook:

"If my kid can't bring peanut butter to school, you cant bring your unvaccinated kid to school."

Aaaaand go!

Really look forward to MAJ Private RallyPoint Member's thoughts based on his background.

Response by SGT Jim Z. made Feb 9 at 2015 8:11 AM

SGT Jim Z. — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 08:11:33 -0500

Most schools systems I have dealt with require a copy of vaccinations records what they can and cannot do with I do not know.

Response by CW5 Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 9 at 2015 8:23 AM

CW5 Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 08:23:27 -0500

I'd say that's a solid argument, TSgt Joshua Copeland. Of course the anti-vaccination crowd will disagree. I think they're wrong though.

Response by TSgt Joshua Copeland made Feb 9 at 2015 8:29 AM

TSgt Joshua Copeland — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 08:29:43 -0500

I am trying to figure out how I would have survived childhood without shots or PB&J...heck who am I kidding, I still eat PB&J for lunch every once and a while.

Response by Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS made Feb 9 at 2015 8:48 AM

Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 08:48:23 -0500

Not an anti-vaxxer. Absolutely not an anti-vaxxer.

But does anyone think that the government should be able to mandate vaccines as a blanket policy? Not just as "If you want to attend public schools, but YOU MUST get X Vaccine as a Citizen" policy.

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 9 at 2015 8:53 AM

CSM Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 08:53:40 -0500

I am just kind of glad I am so old that I am safe from polio and the bubonic plague.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 9 at 2015 8:57 AM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 08:57:05 -0500

Every time I have enrolled one of my children in school, we had to produce shot records to confirm they had been vaccinated against the usual battery. I know that there are waivers, but have school districts become so fearful of being sued that they place the uninformed opinion of parents at a premium above the health and welfare of the student population?
Good God, we have become a nation of fools and cowards.

The "vaccines cause autism (etc)" crowd is currently real quiet at diseases that were rarely seen when I was a kid - aside from Chicken Pox, that is -are suddenly running amok around the country. Diseases that kill people. Mumps is a drag. Chicken Pox, an inconvenience. Rubella can and does kill, as does measles albeit more rarely.

The paralell from my childhood was the flouride treatments we got. Some parents would opt out because flouride was "dangerous", even though it had been added to drinking water for many years. In my class there were two kids who didn't take the weekly rinse of flouride mouthwash stuff. As with any schoolroom, when one kid is different, they get picked on, completely unfairly. And for what? So mommy can feel better because she read on the internet a conspiracy theory that Mercury in thermometers or arsenic in treated wood or (blah, blah) was a danger to the kids, so we MUST keep them safe. Watch your kid get quarentined with the measels and we will see where your principled stand got you.

Response by SPC James Mcneil made Feb 9 at 2015 9:10 AM

SPC James Mcneil — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 09:10:20 -0500

The pro-vaccine vs. anti-vaccine debate is something I've largely steered clear of, and recently I waded into the waters of this debate. I found that people on both sides tend to be very rude and very arrogant. I've found that there are unsupported and completely unscientific arguments on both sides, and neither side has changed my mind.

I am personally pro-vaccine. But I am not going to tell a parent that's anti-vaccine that they have to do so because I believe in it.

Response by Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS made Feb 9 at 2015 9:11 AM

Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 09:11:09 -0500

Alright. We can talk until we're blue in the face about why these people are wrong. What are the pro's of their argument? Do they have any?

1) They are actively attempting to research things that will affect their child's long term health (at the expense of everyone else's).

2) Vaccines are produced by corporations which are profit oriented, and it can be said they don't have our best interests at heart. However, I'll happily pay lots of money not to get get diseases that cause things like blindness, death, paralysis, etc.

3) Yes, there are potential side effects (no Autism is not one of them). However, the side effects are often significantly "better" than having the disease. If given the choice between Autism and long term effects of Measles, Mumps, Rubella, Whooping Cough, Shingles/Chicken Pox, Pneumonia, JEV, etc, which would you choose?

Help me out? I can't think of any more off the top of my head.

Response by SSG Trevor S. made Feb 9 at 2015 11:01 AM

SSG Trevor S. — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 11:01:35 -0500

Vaccination is 400 x healthier than school lunches. (Source for statistics - observation)

Response by Cpl Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 9 at 2015 11:38 AM

Cpl Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 11:38:27 -0500

From what I understand, the vaccines we took in the 60's and 70's are still mandatory. I find it ironic that we have an outbreak of things like the measles as administration leaves the border wide open to anybody from countries that do not mandate vaccinations.

Has everyone forgotten the illegal aliens entering the country en masse are being allowed into schools without having been vetted properly or immunized for that matter? If the virus came from another country that does not have the vaccine, I'd bet it's genetic markers are a little different than our vaccinated children.

It wouldn't surprise me that the media is openly blaming the anti-vaccination crowd instead of accepting their responsibility in pushing for illegal amnesty.

Response by MAJ(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 9 at 2015 11:57 AM

MAJ(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 11:57:20 -0500

People tend to forget that science has already disproven the myth of the connection between vaccinations and the handful of blamed disorders. This is a done deal. There is little to no sciences backing up the claims. However, there is science that has disproven the claim. What more can be projected at this point?

Those that quote the TTPs of the good ‘ol days might not realize that times are much different today than they were 20-30 years ago. Diseases, bacteria, and infections have greatly increased in strength. Drinking out of a water hose today is much more potentially lethal than it was in the 1980s.

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 9 at 2015 12:13 PM

CSM Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 12:13:26 -0500

Getting sick is one thing, but some people are dying because parents didn't want to vaccinate their children, for whatever reason.

A child with a suppressed immune system due to cancer or some other illness/condition cannot take the vaccine. Along comes a child whose parent didn't "want" to give their child the vaccine and now has measles/mumps/whatever, and causes the child who couldn't take the vaccine to get sick, and in some cases, die.

If my child couldn't take a vaccine and got sick and died because another parent didn't "want" to vaccinate their child, I'd be going to prison.

Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 9 at 2015 1:37 PM

PO3 Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 13:37:34 -0500

Let me see if I'm understanding this correctly... We vaccinate our children to protect them from diseases and then worry about the diseases that a non-vaccinated child might expose them to? If we're so confident in the ability of these vaccines to protect our children, why would we worry about what someone else does with their child? Are these diseases going to somehow mutate in a non-vaccinated child to become super deadly to the vaccinated child? What am I missing?

Response by SGT Steven Eugene Kuhn MBA made Feb 9 at 2015 2:42 PM

SGT Steven Eugene Kuhn MBA — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 14:42:16 -0500

Ok I will play devils advocate for the sake of a good discussion:
http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/how-vaccinated-kids-infect-non-vaccinated

How Vaccinated Kids Infect The Non-Vaccinated

It is the vaccinated that present a clear danger of infecting the non-vaccinated, according to this highly eye-opening research...

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 9 at 2015 2:45 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 14:45:34 -0500

Just a bit off topic, how would you feel when your kid got lice?

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 9 at 2015 2:48 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 14:48:44 -0500

One is something someone cannot control the other is an idiot or the child of an idiot

Response by SGT Steven Eugene Kuhn MBA made Feb 9 at 2015 2:56 PM

SGT Steven Eugene Kuhn MBA — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 14:56:48 -0500

I find the language used here like "idiots", "Arrogant", "Ignorant" and so on, hard to stomach.

Let me fill you in why: My Niece got the MMR and suddenly developed mild autism, my business partners Sister (who is a Nurse) had her son get the MMR and he is now full on Autistic.

My son in 8 months old and his MMR is due in 4 months and I am thinking like this: If I say yes and he is autistic afterwards, how can I ever live with myself? Seriously, with the emotional issues we already have as veterans, would this put me over the top?

I live in Hungary, the one country in the world with the most mandatory vaccines and funnily enough, the lowest rate of childhood sicknesses in Europe...so this gives me hope but I still am nervous, scared and downright terrified.

I find a constructive, informative conversation useful, my wife and I are really struggling. It helps none when someone quotes the Government as the source and calls someone stupid, ignorant or arrogant who does not heed the order...if this was the case then why the fight for the 2nd Amendment when Obama says he wants to repeal it, he is the Government and he orders it, you must do it according to most of those who posted here.

We cannot pick and choose what fits our belief and then use the very entity, which we despise for trying to change the 2nd Amendment, to validate our arguments, becasue then they are neither a part of a conversation or an argument, it is simply a demeaning statement.

I ask that anyone who respond please keep my beautiful son in mind, this is all I care about, no need to insult me or my thought process, it will get you nowhere.

Thank you,
Steven (and Max)

SSG Private RallyPoint Member , TSgt Joshua Copeland , Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS ,

Response by SGT Francis Wright made Feb 9 at 2015 3:19 PM

SGT Francis Wright — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 15:19:21 -0500

Vaccinations are not an issue of choice, it is a public health issue. Get your kids vaccinated. Period.

Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 9 at 2015 3:57 PM

SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 15:57:05 -0500

I was talking about this with my wife just yesterday, we are not the kind of people that judge others just because they think different. We have friends that wont get their kids vaccinated because strong beliefs about autism. We don't have kids, maybe I'm not the best to talk in these kind of topics but, every parent has a reason to either vaccinate or not their kids. Both will have strong arguments, the main thing here is learn from each other and keep an open mind. Also, look information BEFORE go ranting against those that don't think like you do.

Response by SGT Rik Thibodeau made Feb 9 at 2015 4:40 PM

SGT Rik Thibodeau — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 16:40:33 -0500

Response by SGT Kristin Wiley made Feb 9 at 2015 5:54 PM

SGT Kristin Wiley — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 17:54:46 -0500

I'm not going to argue for or against vaccines, they can be effective and beneficial, and for some they are harmful. Personally, I think it's suspicious that when a study comes out with some argumentative hole against vaccines in it the study is retracted. These retracted studies appear to be more common than not. Signs of autism do not normally appear (in vaccinated and unvaccinated children) until after these vaccines are given (if following the CDC recommended schedule). I personally don’t plan on getting my children any of these controversy shots until after they have reached the age where most autistic symptoms normally occur.

Similar too many of the ‘unproven’ claims that have somehow received compensation from the government, my little brother had a negative reaction to (one or the combination of) his early childhood vaccine series. After this reaction, we observed a notable decline in speech and social development. My friend’s father, a post-Vietnam veteran, is 100% disabled from a combination of vaccines during his service. I personally had a negative reaction to the smallpox or anthrax vaccine (received at the same time). In addition to my reaction, it is more than likely the chronic illness I have is related to this vaccination and/or environmental exposure in Iraq. Here’s some more interesting information, doctors don’t know what actually causes any of these medical problems. So how can they say that a vaccination could not be an environmental trigger? Insert the origin of the universe debate here for an example of the chaos that ensues when people use ‘factual evidence’ to argue something that no one has ever observed and therefore cannot know without a fraction of a doubt.

Here’s the harsh reality, you are responsible for your child’s health and safety, not me, not your neighbor, not the mailman, you! Shocking, I know. Since I know I’m responsible for my child, I will take precautions to protect them from children who are basically a walking disease, from vaccines that can cause medical conditions, from drowning or getting hit by a car. I’ll teach them how to swim, to not play in the road, to wear proper safety equipment. I’ll weigh the risks of all vaccines. I’ll keep them home from school when they are sick, because I’m conscience enough to not be the parent whose kid infects everyone else in the school. My child’s safety is not an inconvenience.

If you want to fight to keep unvaccinated kids out of schools go ahead, but be prepared to fight against smoking on public streets that can cause an asthmatic reaction in another kid. Fight the fast food industry for making your child obese. Fight the airlines that unwittingly allowed an Ebola-infected passenger on the plane. The world isn’t a safe place, we take risks every day. You vaccinate or don’t vaccinate your kid, it’s a choice and you accept the risks. Last I checked, this was America, we claim freedom and opportunity for all. So when someone else doesn’t make the same choice as you, what message are you sending when you advocate against their freedom to choose?

Italy has ruled that multiple vaccines have caused autism: http://healthimpactnews.com/2015/u-s-media-blackout-italian-courts-rule-vaccines-cause-autism/

Another study argues that some children have a genetic predisposition for autism that is trigged through an environmental reaction (vaccines): http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21623535

CDC Scientist William Thompson's (2004 Study Retracted) says there is no 'casual' link, but admits the possibility that underlying biological illness (that the medical community is unwilling to test for prior to vaccination) could interact with vaccines to cause autism: http://sharylattkisson.com/cdc-possibility-that-vaccines-rarely-trigger-autism/

Another 22 published studies show possible connections (haven't looked at all of them to see which are retracted) http://www.activistpost.com/2013/09/22-medical-studies-that-show-vaccines.html

U.S. Media Blackout: Italian Courts Rule Vaccines Cause Autism

Both these Italian court decisions break new ground in the roiling debate over vaccines and autism. These courts, like all courts, are intended to function as impartial, unbiased decision makers. The courts’ decisions are striking because they not only find a vaccine-autism causal link, but they also overrule the decisions of Italy’s Ministry of Health. And taken together, the court decisions found that both the MMR and a hexavalent...

Response by PO1 Donald Hammond made Feb 9 at 2015 7:15 PM

PO1 Donald Hammond — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 19:15:51 -0500

DISCLAIMER : My kids were vaccinated BEFORE the idiocy of it all was known.

Now then, the CDC and UN have both admitted these vaccines are pretty much worthless. Sure, they may protect the kids for a few years but now they are admitting that you are not protected for life as if you had caught these 3 naturally. So who profits? The pharmaceutical companies. You don't.

Did you see the CDC's tap dancing on why vaccinated people were getting the measles this time around? Because other people were not vaccinated. No (actual quote here) "herd immunity". That's right. If everybody else around you isn't vaccinated, you can catch it even if you were vaccinated. Wow.

I don't know about autism but they are zapping kids with more diseases at the same time then they would be exposed to normally. Also the potential side effects are enormous and long. Whereas the downside of getting them naturally is almost nothing. Most deaths that happen due to measles are caused by dehydration.

The pharm companies are pulling the wool over your eyes. Just as they have tried to do with flu shots. It is crap.

Oh, and if people are getting the measles who were vaccinated this means it mutated and now there is a strain out there that nobody is immune to again. Thanks VAXXERS! You have unleashed a disease that can not be controlled.

Response by LCpl Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 10 at 2015 4:29 AM

LCpl Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 10 Feb 2015 04:29:39 -0500

Refusal to vaccinate based on one report by a single quack working for profit is basically saying "I have chosen to ignore literally every other piece of scientific evidence proving that vaccines don't cause autism, and would literally rather bring back deadly diseases and kill other people and their children because I need someone to blame for autism and have full intentions of using this for leverage to not do my part in maintaining herd immunity and meeting the minimum standards of basic human decency by not contributing to the death of others."

Furthermore, even if vaccines DID cause autism (they don't. Full stop.), refusing to vaccinate due to that risk is basically saying "I'd rather risk killing other people, their kids, and my own kid by way of preventable illness than have a healthy child with disabilities."

Response by Sgt Packy Flickinger made Feb 10 at 2015 5:56 AM

Sgt Packy Flickinger — Tue, 10 Feb 2015 05:56:36 -0500

I have a great idea. How about some people just stay home so they're never offended or harmed.

Response by TSgt Joshua Copeland made Feb 10 at 2015 7:58 AM

TSgt Joshua Copeland — Tue, 10 Feb 2015 07:58:02 -0500

I admit, I giggled...

Could we stop the anti-vaxxers if we said measles contains gluten?

There are schools in the wealthiest parts of Los Angeles where the vaccination rate is on a par with that of South Sudan

Response by TSgt Joshua Copeland made Feb 10 at 2015 7:59 AM

TSgt Joshua Copeland — Tue, 10 Feb 2015 07:59:35 -0500

The anti-vaccination movement isn't new. Here is a political cartoon from the 1940's

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 10 at 2015 8:14 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 10 Feb 2015 08:14:59 -0500

I believe the amount of vaccinations given to babies is ridiculous my three year old gas had some and he will get the rest before he enters school but for a baby to get upwards of 10 vaccines in the first year of life is a little much.

Response by MAJ Matthew Arnold made Feb 10 at 2015 12:08 PM

MAJ Matthew Arnold — Tue, 10 Feb 2015 12:08:46 -0500

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the one (or few). You are free to choose to not vaccinate. But, then you are not free to engage freely with the public and spread your da-zzz. If you choose not to vaccinate then keep you kids home and home school them, and home church them, and home, uh, everything.

Response by Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 10 at 2015 6:19 PM

Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 10 Feb 2015 18:19:22 -0500

I agree. Do not send your unvaccinated kid to school where my kid is.

Response by SGT Richard H. made Feb 10 at 2015 8:16 PM

SGT Richard H. — Tue, 10 Feb 2015 20:16:51 -0500

This must vary from state to state. You have to show proof of vaccinations (all the standard ones, anyway) to even register your child in Texas.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 11 at 2015 7:36 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 11 Feb 2015 07:36:17 -0500

If your child is vaccinated against (insert disease name) then why are you concerned if other children are not vaccinated against (insert name of disease your child is vaccinated against)?

I'm not blankety opposed to vaccines. I just think that parents have a right to determine the medical care of their children. MMR vaccines seem to be generally safe, but some vaccines are dangerous and/or ineffective. The flu vaccine this year is a great example. The HPV vaccine has serious side effects and there's no reason to vaccinate 8 year old children against a sexually transmitted disease.

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 11 at 2015 10:30 AM

CW2 Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 11 Feb 2015 10:30:37 -0500

this whole measles outbreak "they" want to blame it on antivaxxers when this disease and others had been elimated here. but "they" dont want us to blame the foreign invaders that "they" where schlepping all across the US this summer, measles and tb are prevalent where these foreign invaders come from...but lets blame the antivaxxers

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 11 at 2015 1:04 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 11 Feb 2015 13:04:20 -0500

The entire premise of the anti-vaxxer movement is absurd. These people need to do real research; not rely on a doctor who wrote an article he admitted to making false claims in.

Response by CPT Jack Durish made Feb 11 at 2015 5:42 PM

CPT Jack Durish — Wed, 11 Feb 2015 17:42:30 -0500

This topic is close to home...

I love peanut butter. It's safe to say it's my favorite, a food group of its own.

I'd eat peanut butter on anything, cardboard if I could.

I remember the peanut butter I found in mess halls in Vietnam. Thick, nasty stuff. Delicious. All you needed was mayonnaise to lubricate its passage. Yum, peanut butter and mayonnaise sandwiches. Still love them.

Applewichs. (Apple slices with peanut butter)
Peanut butter on celery
Peanut butter on the tip of my finger.

Forgive me. I haven't had peanut butter in the past four years. I'm going a little crazy because of it.

My 5 year old granddaughter is allergic and I'm not trusted to even have it in our home. Even if I don't see her all day. No peanut butter for me.

So, do you think I'm sympathetic to kids that can't have peanut butter in school? Hell no. If I can't have it, nobody can have it.

Now, as to vaccinations. Imagine that some few died from vaccinations, yet millions of others were saved by them.

What would you do?

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 12 at 2015 9:42 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 12 Feb 2015 09:42:07 -0500

I just read the below article earlier this morning and thought it would be something good to share here regarding this thread's subject.

With that said, I agree with SPC McNeil's premise of responsibility, which I have mentioned many many times throughout dozens of other threads. Leaving the responsibility of our own lives on others is totally ridiculous. At the same time we must be respectful (I didn't say "like") of other's decisions or concerns. For example, if one has an allergy to peanuts then not only say something (civilly) but understand you have absolutely NO right in demanding others not be able to eat peanuts. On the other side, if someone states they have an allergy to peanuts then take caution if you wish to eat something with peanuts while around the person and also you have NO right to be callous with the lives of others. Yes, part of the problem is when this occurs in a school and children don't have the maturity (obviously) to NOT alienate or make fun of others. The key here is the adults being willing to LEARN, be respectful and to properly teach their children. It truly is that simple.

https://gma.yahoo.com/dads-heartfelt-plea-congress-2-old-leukemia-exposed-210618824--abc-news-health.html

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Dad's Heartfelt Plea to Congress After 2-Year-Old With Leukemia Exposed to Measles

Dr. Timothy Jacks is an Arizona pediatrician on the front lines of the measles outbreak that's sweeping the United States, but when he spoke to Congress today, it was personal. He got a call from the hospital where his 2-year-old daughter Maggie just finished a round of chemotherapy telling him that Maggie and her 10-month-old brother Eli were exposed to measles, he told the Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor and Pensions, which...

Response by WO1 Thomas E Johnson made Feb 12 at 2015 10:15 AM

WO1 Thomas E Johnson — Thu, 12 Feb 2015 10:15:31 -0500

Tetanus vaccines in Kenya contain chemicals that cause sterilization (http://www.naturalnews.com/047571_vaccines_sterilization_genocide.html). Autism in children is caused by vaccines, (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-f-kennedy-jr-and-david-kirby/vaccine-court-autism-deba_b_169673.html).

Unfortunately, our corrupt government is controlled by people with evil intent. I would never allow my children to have vaccines today. The corrupt leaders use the vaccines to genetically change citizens/children in multiple ways that are detrimental to their health. We are talking evil here.

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Response by Capt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 12 at 2015 11:56 AM

Capt Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 12 Feb 2015 11:56:12 -0500

Not touching this one on RP...I hear enough on FB.

Response by Col Joseph Lenertz made Feb 12 at 2015 12:18 PM

Col Joseph Lenertz — Thu, 12 Feb 2015 12:18:36 -0500

While the study linking ADD to vaccinations has been proven to be faulty, the mathematics of immunization effectiveness rates and herd immunity are solid. Individual anecdotal correlations of ADD with vaccinations are often taken to be causal because we want to blame ADD on something. I am for mandatory vaccinations for all who are physically able to take them, with no exceptions for religious or philosophical reasons. Our lives are much, much better today because of science in general and medical science in particular. It would be a huge step back in time, and in average human life-span, if we allowed the sadness of tragic individual cases to take precedence over scientific study and reason.

Response by PO1 William "Chip" Nagel made Feb 12 at 2015 10:25 PM

PO1 William "Chip" Nagel — Thu, 12 Feb 2015 22:25:09 -0500

Great Meme and Point Well Made. Hell we all had to get all those in my time and if that wasn't enough the military made sure I covered for that and much more. I got that Yellow Fever Shot 7 Times and the worst reaction I ever had to any was the Swine Flu shot in 76, The Company in Boot Camp was down for the count for 24 hours, No Nig Deal just fever and got us out of PT for a bit.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 12 at 2015 10:46 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 12 Feb 2015 22:46:06 -0500

I don't care what others do. Everybody sees the world how they choose. All I care about is trying to raise MY family the best I can. A little background: my father was physically abusive to my siblings and me. I never understood how someone could be like that. After about 10 years of adulthood, I decided to forgive him. When I did, he broke down and apologized for treating us that way. What he said next has stuck with me the rest of my adult life: I tried my best. His best sucked. His best was not popular amongst most. But it was his best. We had a pretty good relationship until he died from that point on.
I will always try my best to make good calls and moves for the sake of my children. Will it always be "the best" for them? No, but I will still try to do the best for them.
I don't know what is best for them on this topic, but my wife seems to think she does. So I trust my partner for life's opinion. She got them vaccinated, and they seem like normal crazy kids.
Good luck at trying to do the best for your kids, and try to understand that that is what most people are trying to do( even if their best sucks).

Response by Sgt Jennifer Mohler made Feb 13 at 2015 2:34 PM

Sgt Jennifer Mohler — Fri, 13 Feb 2015 14:34:22 -0500

People don't vaccinate for the same reason they magically don't eat gluten. It is a fad. One however is far more dangerous then the other. People want to refuse to see science on a black and white issue. Don't try and change anyone's minds, it doesn't work. Just boycott the people who won't vaccinate the kids and bring our communities under the threshold for herd immunity. Another one of the thousands of reasons my kids will be homeschooled. Other parents are downright dangerous.

Response by Sgt Jennifer Mohler made Feb 13 at 2015 2:36 PM

Sgt Jennifer Mohler — Fri, 13 Feb 2015 14:36:39 -0500

I can't edit my posts on my phone, but in addition to my other post I am allergic to peanuts and found it deplorable when they started getting banned in schools. Unless a child has a severe allergy that the doctor communicates with the school I see no reason to restrict other people's lunchboxs.

Response by TSgt Joshua Copeland made Feb 13 at 2015 6:48 PM

TSgt Joshua Copeland — Fri, 13 Feb 2015 18:48:26 -0500

Here is one that a friend that is a PA sent me

Response by TSgt Joshua Copeland made Feb 16 at 2015 9:07 PM

TSgt Joshua Copeland — Mon, 16 Feb 2015 21:07:46 -0500

http://taskandpurpose.com/military-teaches-us-bad-intel-applies-anti-vaxxers/

What The Military Teaches About Bad Intel Applies To Anti-Vaxxers

When a military leader feeds us bad information, we call him on it. We should do the same thing with anti-vaxxers.

Response by TSgt Joshua Copeland made Feb 18 at 2015 8:06 AM

TSgt Joshua Copeland — Wed, 18 Feb 2015 08:06:38 -0500

This Facebook post by a ped doc has gone, pardon the pun, viral.