FG art. 15. Getting busted down to a e5. I have 12.5 years in. RCP is 13 yrs. Going through a medboard and involuntary sep?

2024-06-22T16:25:50-04:00

How's this going to look?

Response by COL Randall C. made Jun 22 at 2024 5:22 PM

2024-06-22T17:22:45-04:00

“How’s it going to look” is anyone’s guess because you didn’t give much information at all in your write-up.

You’re being reduced to E-5 from the Article 15. Is the involuntary separation you mentioned due to RCP or is there some other administrative discharge being discussed or pending?

“Medboard” – Do you mean you are going through a MEB currently or do you mean you might be referred to one because of your medical situation (e.g., you have an illness/injury that doesn’t allow you to meet medical retention standards, you’re approaching the MRDP for an injury, You've been given a P3/P4 profile, etc.)?

By "How's this going to look?", what are you referring to - the process if both happen at the same time? Likelihood of one happening over the other? Timelines involved? etc.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 23 at 2024 2:27 PM

2024-06-23T14:27:15-04:00

Going with the only information you gave; this is NOT going to look well.

Whichever comes first, is what will likely happen:

If you have not already began the Medical Eval Board, then chances are you will not have enough time for that (medical condition depending). If you are already going thru an MEB, then it depends on where you are in that process.

You also run the high risk of facing the QMP Board. This will be determined by when the next QMP Board meets. If your reduction was due to DUI (an example) and the QMP meets next month, you will be out of the service 90 days from the meeting of that QMP because the QMP has a ZERO survival rate for DUIs. Referral to the QMP is automatic any time a SSG or above has adverse information (GOMOR, Article 15, Relief for Cause NCOER) placed in their Army Military Human Resource Record (AMHRR).

Either way, I would highly recommend you beef up your civilian resume and start planning your exit from the Military because I do not see you being retained. Stranger things have happened, but the odds are not in your favor.

Response by SGM Bill Frazer made Jun 23 at 2024 2:48 PM

2024-06-23T14:48:59-04:00

Methinks you should be praying for medical retirement/discharge.

Response by SFC Patrick V. made Jun 25 at 2024 9:45 AM

2024-06-25T09:45:00-04:00

As an NCO with 12.5 years in service, you should know how this looks. If not, then you likely need to be QMP'd.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Jul 3 at 2024 6:31 PM

2024-07-03T18:31:50-04:00

What is your profile or what kind of profile can you get?

Response by Lt Col Rick Clifton made Aug 29 at 2024 3:49 PM

2024-08-29T15:49:36-04:00

I know things have probably changed but as a former JAG, I hope you are working closely with your designated defense counsel. If you are not comfortable with him, you should be able to ask for another or seek a civilian attorney, preferably with a military background. There are ways to make it look better if you have good counsel. Lot of factors go into the process and category if you are discharged.
Think my AI got it right:
The Department of Defense (DoD) categorizes military discharges into six types:
Honorable: The highest ranking a service member can receive, indicating they performed their duties patriotically and faithfully
General Under Honorable Conditions: Indicates that a service member's performance was satisfactory, but not the best
Under Other Than Honorable Conditions: A category of military discharge
Bad Conduct: A category of military discharge
Dishonorable: A category of military discharge
Uncharacterized: A category of military discharge
The type of discharge a service member receives can significantly impact their life after service. The Department of Defense issues a DD214 to every veteran, which includes their discharge status.

Response by CPT Rick Clark made Aug 30 at 2024 3:39 PM

2024-08-30T15:39:11-04:00

Hope the Article 15 was a doozy. I was involuntarily separated at 13 years in the Regular Army for failing one APFT. No appeals just a straight adios. I recommend going for certifications for things you enjoy. Military counts for very little- especially in Craprado. You like cars? Go for an ASE. Computers? CompTia Certs. And, realize you probably won’t get much help from your own.

Response by SSG James Nelson made Sep 1 at 2024 10:58 AM

2024-09-01T10:58:58-04:00

Appeal To the ABCMR
Non Judicial Punishments Are Overturned All the Time.

Response by SPC Christopher Perrien made Sep 2 at 2024 10:29 AM

2024-09-02T10:29:06-04:00

Ouchie. You F'ed up really good at a bad time. Since no info on the Field Grade , I think you should be kicked out . "You banging some other soldier's wife?" LOL , This identical situation- (E-6, 12 years in) happened to a best friend of mine LOL. He got kicked out, but he actually made out well on outside, afterwards..

But since you asked for advice. I suggest you push a Med disability discharge as much as you can. Hire a veteran disability lawyer/law firm NOW. To contest any doctor's discharge physical below 50% disability. Because that is where the money starts, N.C.O. .

Response by SSG John Naquin made Sep 3 at 2024 1:43 PM

2024-09-03T13:43:49-04:00

At end of the day you F'd up and did not live the core values or Creed of Noncommisioned Officers. As an 11B at 12.5 years and only making SSG. You definitely deserved to not be leading soldiers. I apologize for being blunt.