CSM Mike Maynard 138644 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>If a Soldier cannot or chooses to not maintain a valid Family Care Plan and is being separated for that reason, can they still receive an End of Tour (ETS) Service Award ICW? 2014-05-30T03:28:13-04:00 CSM Mike Maynard 138644

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>If a Soldier cannot or chooses to not maintain a valid Family Care Plan and is being separated for that reason, can they still receive an End of Tour (ETS) Service Award ICW?

2014-05-30T03:28:13-04:00 2014-05-30T03:28:13-04:00 CW2 Private RallyPoint Member 138646

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Hmmm....research time! I know that my wife did not, but I THINK you are eligible....more to follow...

2014-05-30T03:32:32-04:00 2014-05-30T03:32:32-04:00 LTC Private RallyPoint Member 138693

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>CSM,<br /><br /> Although I don't know the answer to this one off the top of my head (and really, that is why we have great NCOs keeping us in line), I would offer to expand the question:<br /><br /> Can (Should) any Soldier be eligible to receive a EOT Award for being chaptered under any Chapter out there (14-12, PT, HT/WT, etc)? I would only offer to look at the Soldiers entire term of service versus the possible one wrong decision they made (even it is worthy of a chapter) and consider their perform as a whole. It would more than likely be the exception, but not the norm, but I would like it could happen.<br /><br /> Thoughts?

2014-05-30T07:40:28-04:00 2014-05-30T07:40:28-04:00 SPC Private RallyPoint Member 138705

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>My gut says, "No."

2014-05-30T07:58:11-04:00 2014-05-30T07:58:11-04:00 MAJ Private RallyPoint Member 138737

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Each case should be weighted individually. If this chapter is under honorable conditions, why wouldn&#39;t you submit them for an award. <br /><br />Sometimes, life can throw you a screw ball and the Army isn&#39;t an easy place to be a single parent.

2014-05-30T08:58:51-04:00 2014-05-30T08:58:51-04:00 LTC Private RallyPoint Member 139052

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>What would you do if your best Soldier's spouse dies and they can't establish a long term Family Care Plan because they have no extended family and can't find anyone they know and trust to watch the child?<br /><br />Unless it's in black and white that you can't I say you should give an award if it's earned.

2014-05-30T15:11:45-04:00 2014-05-30T15:11:45-04:00 LTC Private RallyPoint Member 139062

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>CSM,<br /> I would say negative on the award. Because as if a Soldier fails to meet the standard, no award. I understand that there is a case by case basis on this. But so is APFT, HT/WT, failing to report, no shows. We have to maintain good discipline.

2014-05-30T15:29:09-04:00 2014-05-30T15:29:09-04:00 CPT Aaron Kletzing 139066

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>CSM, my reaction is that the Soldier should not receive an ETS award in this situation.

2014-05-30T15:32:55-04:00 2014-05-30T15:32:55-04:00 CSM Mike Maynard 139291

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I see the point of quite a few of the folks on here that if their service was honorable and the only reason for their being discharged was that they couldn't create a workable Family Care Plan, why wouldn't they deserve a Decorataion (the correct terminology for those that have heartburn using ETS or End of Tour) Award. btw, pg 46 of AR 600-8-22 shows an example (12a - reason is PCS), (10 - award is MSM).<br /><br />But............................<br /><br />The actual Regulation is specific and clear - a Soldier that is flagged for separation (which must be done when separating someone for Family Care Plan) cannot be put in for an award. The only exceptions are for APFT and ABCP under certain conditions. Additionally, you cannot lift the flag until they have been assigned to the transition point (basically separated).<br /><br />Maybe the Army sees this as them not fulfilling their obligation. We would have spent considerable time/resources in training them and their unanticipated departure would leave a unit with a gap until we could train/resource another Soldier for that position.<br /><br />I would be interested if someone could find an exception or caveat that would allow a Soldier separated under the Family Care Plan to receive an award for their service.

2014-05-30T21:43:25-04:00 2014-05-30T21:43:25-04:00 SSG Mike Angelo 140409

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>CSM Mike<br /><br />Fiction in my generation.<br /><br />Unless it is a standard for the Soldier to meet, a Family Care Plan should not be a program to influence separation from service or an End of Tour (ETS) award. IMO.<br /><br />Perhaps this case could be situational and subjective to the commander's authority and policy. <br /><br />IMO this situation is BS, but I dont know the whole story.<br /><br />When in command...command. Make the decision and stick to it...right or wrong. Lessons learned would be the outcome.<br /><br />It all reflects the unit, command and military as a whole.

2014-06-01T01:29:39-04:00 2014-06-01T01:29:39-04:00 SGM Private RallyPoint Member 142903

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>CSM,<br /><br />Frankly I don't know if a Soldier can or cannot receive an award for a FCP chapter. If they can't then I and my commander were really bad Soldiers. We had a Soldier that just couldn't come up with a working FCP so she was chaptered. Her Plt SGT put her in for an award, I passed it to the S1 for processing, our BC signed it, and my commander presented it to her a few days prior to her leaving the Army, right after her FLAG was lifted…...

2014-06-03T17:59:26-04:00 2014-06-03T17:59:26-04:00 LTC Paul Labrador 146747

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>That is entirely up to the chain of command.

2014-06-07T20:44:09-04:00 2014-06-07T20:44:09-04:00 SGT(P) Kenneth Jones 147330

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>If a soldier chooses not to maintain a family care plan and is being chaptered for that then how does it justify even being concidered for an award for failure to comply with regulations.If they really wanted to stay where theres a will theres a way they cannot say theres no way to come up with a family care plan. If thats the case how did they come in in the first place. I have seen too many use that to their advantage and when it comes time to seperate all of a sudden they have one or request to stay in and come up with a temp solution to passify command. I know of a soldier that did this and when it came time oh i have one 4 months later doesnt have one goes almost 6 mths with out doing anything only call in and when it came time again to start the paper work was asked if they wanted to stay in our seperate so given the choice again came up with temp solution and now only has to report in via phone first formation and lunch and everyone is saying if this soldier does seperate they deserve an award if thats so those that go awol flag for anything med board apft failures all deserve an award for failure to uphold standards, to adapt, disobeying direct orders and failure to comply to army regulations lets give them around of applause and here is a aam or a coa congrats. So this is what the military is going to do is rewrite AR's and put exceptions to the rules As a team leader and future leader i will never recommend anyone for an award for failure .

2014-06-08T12:19:38-04:00 2014-06-08T12:19:38-04:00 MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca 155101

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Hopefully CSM Maynard, fiction, VERY fiction. Regardless of what the regs say, in my book, discharge for FCP failure is a dereliction of duty - the SM is failing to provide for their dependents' well being. Are there some cases more blatant or contrived than others, yes. If I would ever have been in that position to have to submit a soldier for such an award, I could only have hoped there was an order from my boss to do so. I have a bitter taste in my mouth because, though I never had to start discharge on anyone, I did do plenty of counselling on the topic.

2014-06-15T21:03:12-04:00 2014-06-15T21:03:12-04:00 CPT Private RallyPoint Member 393981

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Why not?

2014-12-31T09:57:53-05:00 2014-12-31T09:57:53-05:00 SGT Private RallyPoint Member 1431689

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I am interested in finding a "work around" to the regulation. I am getting out on a FCP and have been asked to research a bit about getting awards to soldiers who deserved them. I personally am choosing to join the Reserves after my Active Duty is terminated and would like to carry over my service. Another soldier is also separating for the FCP and is eligible for a Service Medal (they are working with HRC to ensure he still receives this award since it was for valor) but he was also an awesome well-rounded soldier who will now be getting out without a single award on his record. It makes no sense to me that someone can fail the adhere to APFT standards and be chaptered WITH an award whereas those making a bold, responsible decision to get out and take care of their family yet contributed greatly to the service will have to walk away with nothing. <br /><br />-SGT C (A mother first and a Soldier second to none...)

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