Does the SQI "8" awarded to Drill Sergeants after completing the course, allow them to be awarded the Basic Army Instructor Badge?

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 24 Jul 2021 17:05:13 -0400

… given they've meet all other requirements

I’m attempting to gain some understanding of the DS being awarded the “8” SQI after completing the course IAW AR 614-200/8-16. Since completing my DS time, I’ve transitioned to the schoolhouse as an 91F instructor since April 2021, I was informed by multiple individuals I did not need to attend the two week Common Faculty Development- Instructor Course (CFD-IC) as my ERB already reflects the “8” thus meaning I’ve completed a Instructor Certification Program/Course. As you may know a requirement to receive the BAIB (Basic Army Instructor Badge) is to have completed a TR 350-70 instructor certification requirement by attending CFD-IC before successfully teaching at least 80 hours as the primary instructor, which I have done.

My my current concern is that my completed 80 hours will not be counted towards my BAIB as I may not have technically completed the proper instructor certification. Any assistance or guidance in this matter would greatly be appreciated?

Response by SSG William Jones made Jul 24 at 2021 5:50 PM

SSG William Jones — Sat, 24 Jul 2021 17:50:14 -0400

Been out too long so I really can't say.

Response by SSG Samuel Kermon made Jul 24 at 2021 5:52 PM

SSG Samuel Kermon — Sat, 24 Jul 2021 17:52:49 -0400

I don't know but hope things work out in your favor.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 25 at 2021 12:14 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 25 Jul 2021 00:14:32 -0400

No. You are not in a position slotted as an instructor. You are slotted as a drill sergeant. There is no FDRP for the Drill sergeant program. TRADOC is aware that this is a problem, but the requirements to badge a soldier are not currently built into the BCT/AIT structure.

Additionally, the “8” you get is a remnant of the old drill sergeant school that has not been corrected by the folks who cut orders. Your “8” isn’t an actual awarded SQI. In order to receive an “8” you have to graduate from the two week CFDP-IC (instructor course). The drill sergeant POI used to encompass the old ABIC (obsoleted instructor course) and the “X” and “8” were both awarded upon completion. This is no longer the case.

During the DSA accreditation I was asked by the evaluators what it would take to make it happen and essentially… unless the FDRP (ArmyU) made huge changes or exceptions to the FDRP, it’s not something that will change soon.

You can, however, go to the DSA and be an instructor. You have to complete CFDP-IC as a part of the accreditation and then you are executing POI as an instructor.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 25 at 2021 12:26 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 25 Jul 2021 00:26:14 -0400

SSG Private RallyPoint Member my bad man- I saw the title and didn’t read all the way through.

You need to go to the CFDP-IC. Your “8” isn’t valid. And from an FDRP manager perspective, none of the POI you taught prior to going to the course should count.

However, I’m not your FDRP manager, so… best of luck.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 25 at 2021 12:43 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 25 Jul 2021 00:43:12 -0400

Thanks for the great feedback, hopefully I can get slotted in the proper class ASAP and get my hours stacked again before I depart for my next assignment. I’ll be sure to pass this information on!!!

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 25 at 2021 1:18 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 25 Jul 2021 01:18:08 -0400

If you read a little further down into the regulation TRADOC 600-21 it addresses ABIC:

b. All previous instructor certification courses (ABIC, FIFC, SGITC, IFSC, etc.) completed
prior to 2 May 2018, will remain valid toward FDRP for five years from the completion date, as
required in TR 350-70.

Response by MAJ Ronnie Reams made Jul 25 at 2021 9:20 AM

MAJ Ronnie Reams — Sun, 25 Jul 2021 09:20:38 -0400

I don't know, but I've been told the H is an instructor rating. When I got to my junior year in college, ROTC told me that. MOS was 05B4H. The PMS said come back next semester, this semester MOI. So I had to only take a semester and a half of ROTC.