Does anyone have reliable resources to assist in getting the crew of the USS Frank E Evans added to the Vietnam Memorial Wall? https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/does-anyone-have-reliable-resources-to-assist-in-getting-the-crew-of-the-uss-frank-e-evans-added-to-the-vietnam-memorial-wall <div class="images-v2-count-1"><div class="content-picture image-v2-number-1" id="image-560495"> <div class="social_icons social-buttons-on-image"> <a href='https://www.facebook.com/sharer/sharer.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rallypoint.com%2Fanswers%2Fdoes-anyone-have-reliable-resources-to-assist-in-getting-the-crew-of-the-uss-frank-e-evans-added-to-the-vietnam-memorial-wall%3Futm_source%3DFacebook%26utm_medium%3Dorganic%26utm_campaign%3DShare%20to%20facebook' target="_blank" class='social-share-button facebook-share-button'><i class="fa fa-facebook-f"></i></a> <a href="https://twitter.com/intent/tweet?text=Does+anyone+have+reliable+resources+to+assist+in+getting+the+crew+of+the+USS+Frank+E+Evans+added+to+the+Vietnam+Memorial+Wall%3F&amp;url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rallypoint.com%2Fanswers%2Fdoes-anyone-have-reliable-resources-to-assist-in-getting-the-crew-of-the-uss-frank-e-evans-added-to-the-vietnam-memorial-wall&amp;via=RallyPoint" target="_blank" class="social-share-button twitter-custom-share-button"><i class="fa fa-twitter"></i></a> <a href="mailto:?subject=Check this out on RallyPoint!&body=Hi, I thought you would find this interesting:%0D%0ADoes anyone have reliable resources to assist in getting the crew of the USS Frank E Evans added to the Vietnam Memorial Wall?%0D%0A %0D%0AHere is the link: https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/does-anyone-have-reliable-resources-to-assist-in-getting-the-crew-of-the-uss-frank-e-evans-added-to-the-vietnam-memorial-wall" target="_blank" class="social-share-button email-share-button"><i class="fa fa-envelope"></i></a> </div> <a class="fancybox" rel="f945881dc496afc234e54913fcc0f781" href="https://d1ndsj6b8hkqu9.cloudfront.net/pictures/images/000/560/495/for_gallery_v2/f7d4dbd8.jpg"><img src="https://d1ndsj6b8hkqu9.cloudfront.net/pictures/images/000/560/495/large_v3/f7d4dbd8.jpg" alt="F7d4dbd8" /></a></div></div>Does anyone have reliable resources to assist in getting the crew of the USS Frank E Evans added to the Wall? We have been trying for decades and I believe the 74 crew should be recognized. Back story: The Navy destroyer USS Frank E. Evans served America during World War II, the Korean War and the Vietnamese War. It was a training exercise, however, which brought the ship’s service to a brutal end in the South China Sea.<br /><br />On the morning of June 3, 1969, the Evans (DD 754) was literally sliced in two during a collision with the Australian aircraft carrier HMAS Melbourne. The American ship’s bow section sank in just a couple of minutes, killing 74 of her crewmen.<br /><br />Fifty years later, survivors from the horrible accident and family members of those lost are fighting to have the names of these sailors added to the Vietnam Veterans Memorial Wall.<br /><br />Proponents argue the Evans had just concluded an extended tour off the coast of Vietnam, providing offshore bombardment support, prior to its fatal collision. What’s more, she was slated to return to this role following the exercise, which was organized as a 40-ship “show of force” demonstration for the North Vietnamese.<br /><br />The Navy, however, insists the incident occurred outside the designated combat zone of the time, and therefore the “Lost 74” don’t qualify for inclusion on the wall in Washington, D.C. U.S. Sens. Jeanne Shaheen of New Hampshire and Angus King of Maine are two co-sponsors of a bill to have the sailors’ names added to the memorial.<br /><br />Among those lost was 21-year-old Gary Joseph Vigue, a 1965 Dover High School graduate who left behind a wife and a 5-month-old son.<br /><br />“It is long overdue that these men join their fellow fallen brothers and receive the recognition they deserve on the Vietnam Veterans Memorial Wall,” Shaheen said recently. “Boundary lines drawn in the water shouldn’t determine the respect we pay our servicemen and women killed in the line of duty – they gave their lives for this country and their sacrifice deserves equal recognition.”<br /><br />Prior to the 1969 collision, the Evans had provided gunfire support for the 101st Airborne during the Tet offensive in February 1968, and previously served off the Vietnam coast in 1966. And before that she had an impressive battle record dating as far back as World War II, serving as an escort vessel in the Pacific. During the Korean War, the Evans earned five battle stars and took part in the siege of Wonsan.<br /><br />Commissioned at the New York Naval Shipyard in February 1945, the destroyer was named after a decorated World War I Marine general.<br /><br />In the early hours of June 3, 1969, the destroyer was one of 40 ships taking part in a massive exercise dubbed “Operation Sea Spirit,” operating in darkened conditions. She had just completed her most recent tour off the Vietnam coast less than three weeks earlier.<br /><br />But on this fateful morning, the Evans, serving as an escort, cut in front of the Australian carrier Melbourne and was struck at about 4:15 a.m.<br /><br />“Just why remained a mystery,” The Associated Press reported at the time. “Weather was clear, the seas calm, and both ships were equipped with modern radar.”<br /><br />The bow section of the American destroyer sank almost immediately. Most of the 74 crewmembers that perished in the sea were sleeping in their quarters at the time.<br /><br />The nearly 200 surviving sailors were evacuated from Evans onto the Melbourne, but the damaged ship’s stern remained afloat. The severed destroyer was then towed back to Subic Bay in the Philippines.<br /><br />Ultimately, investigators determined there had been miscommunication between the ships regarding their positions. Three of the destroyer’s officers, including the commanding officer, were court-martialed as a result of the incident.<br /><br />One of the surviving Evans crewmen, Steve Kraus now serves as president of the USS Frank E. Evans Association, which is heading the drive to add their fallen shipmates to the Vietnam memorial.<br /><br />“The 74 enlisted, trained and went to war in defense of our freedom and to fight against communist aggression,” Kraus said recently. “An arbitrary line in the water should not be the criteria to deter them from being honored and included with their fellow soldiers.”<br /><br />In a tragic irony, the Melbourne had been involved in a similar incident just five years before with another Australian ship, the destroyer HMAS Voyager. This collision killed 81 crewmen and a civilian dockworker.<br /><br />From Dover to the seas<br /><br />In his high school yearbook, Gary Vigue’s ambition was listed as draftsman, and his acknowledged chief failing in the classroom was history. His fondest dream, he wrote, was “to be a test-car driver.”<br /><br />Vigue attended Portsmouth Vocational Institute after graduating from Dover High, but enlisted in the Navy at Portland, Maine, in October 1966. He went to boot camp at the Great Lakes training center. He had already served aboard the destroyer escort USS Savage and destroyer USS Leonard F. Mason before his assignment to the Evans.<br /><br />He married Sarah Guay, a Farmington High School graduate, in July 1968 and then reported for duty aboard his new ship two weeks later, according to the Evans Association website. The wedding announcement appearing in the local Farmington News declared the couple planned to live in Long Beach, California.<br /><br />Vigue was a third-class petty officer and quartermaster, and according to the Evans Association website was standing watch in the pilot house when the collision occurred. Kraus says it was Vigue who told him when they went on watch at a quarter-to-midnight the ship would be sailing in darkened conditions.<br /><br />Kraus, a signalman, remembers the Dover native as being quiet and focused.<br /><br />“Since the majority of the time we were at sea, I would only get to talk with him when I was coming on for watch,” he said.<br /><br />Vigue’s son Shawn was only 5 months old when the tragedy occurred. A page-one headline in the June 4, 1969, Foster’s Daily Democrat declared “Navy Lists Farmington Youth as Lost at Sea,” alongside a boyhood photo of Vigue.<br /><br />Another New Hampshire native – 23-year-old Ronald Arthur Thibodeau – also died that morning. Thibodeau was born in Manchester but later moved to California, where he attended high school in Whittier. He left behind a wife and a young son, Timothy.<br /><br />Three of the other Evans sailors killed during the tragedy were brothers from Niobrara, Nebraska – Gary, Gregory and Kelly Sage, ranging in age from 22 to 19. Following the loss of the famous five Sullivan brothers aboard the USS Juneau during World War II, it was unusual for siblings to serve aboard the same vessel.<br /><br />The Sage boys, however, requested waivers to be assigned to the same command. The brothers were shipmates for only 75 days before they all perished in the collision.<br /><br />In another unusual family connection, 20-year-old Lawrence J. Reilly Jr. was serving aboard the Evans with his father, Lawrence Sr., a chief petty officer and the ship’s master-at-arms. The younger Reilly was killed standing watch in the forward fire room during the collision, while his father survived.<br /><br />William Brown II, a 23-year-old petty officer second class, married Vicky just three days before the Evans departed on its doomed final mission. He died in the fire room with Reilly; both were boiler tenders.<br /><br />Devere Grissom Jr., a seaman apprentice, died on his 19th birthday. Thirty-two-year old radarman Eugene Lehman left behind five children.<br /><br />Seaman Francis Garcia served aboard USS Gridley with a young Navy ensign named John F. Kerry before being assigned to the Evans. Garcia died just four days before his 22nd birthday.<br /><br />Another of the sailors lost that morning was 18-year-old James William Kerr of Los Angeles, but to the best of this writer’s knowledge we are not related.<br /><br />Effort to honor their sacrifice<br /><br />Senate Bill S.849, introduced this past March by Kevin Cramer of North Dakota, had its first hearing in June before the Senate Energy and Natural Resources Subcommittee on National Parks. A similar bill is already included in the U.S. House of Representatives version of the National Defense Authorization Act.<br /><br />The Senate and the House will have to conference together on the NDAA for final passage. A recent letter from Shaheen and the other 15 bipartisan co-sponsors of what’s known as the USS Frank E. Evans Act urged the Senate and House Armed Services Committees to adopt it into this final law.<br /><br />The Sept. 9 letter emphasizes how fitting it would be for the Evans seamen to finally gain this recognition the year of the tragedy’s 50th anniversary.<br /><br />“While the incident occurred about 100 miles outside of the official combat zone, the ship and a majority of the deceased sailors had previously provided naval gunfire off the coast of Vietnam,” the senators wrote. Other ships in the naval group returned to these waters afterward, they added.<br /><br />Shaheen, a senior member of the Armed Services Committee, told the Herald in a separate statement:<br /><br />“I’ll keep fighting to see Ronald Arthur Thibodeau, Gary Joseph Vigue and the other 72 Americans of the ‘Lost 74’ etched upon the Vietnam Veterans Memorial Wall so every visitor sees their names and remembers their sacrifice.” Fri, 05 Feb 2021 11:19:43 -0500 Does anyone have reliable resources to assist in getting the crew of the USS Frank E Evans added to the Vietnam Memorial Wall? https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/does-anyone-have-reliable-resources-to-assist-in-getting-the-crew-of-the-uss-frank-e-evans-added-to-the-vietnam-memorial-wall <div class="images-v2-count-1"><div class="content-picture image-v2-number-1" id="image-560495"> <div class="social_icons social-buttons-on-image"> <a href='https://www.facebook.com/sharer/sharer.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rallypoint.com%2Fanswers%2Fdoes-anyone-have-reliable-resources-to-assist-in-getting-the-crew-of-the-uss-frank-e-evans-added-to-the-vietnam-memorial-wall%3Futm_source%3DFacebook%26utm_medium%3Dorganic%26utm_campaign%3DShare%20to%20facebook' target="_blank" class='social-share-button facebook-share-button'><i class="fa fa-facebook-f"></i></a> <a href="https://twitter.com/intent/tweet?text=Does+anyone+have+reliable+resources+to+assist+in+getting+the+crew+of+the+USS+Frank+E+Evans+added+to+the+Vietnam+Memorial+Wall%3F&amp;url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rallypoint.com%2Fanswers%2Fdoes-anyone-have-reliable-resources-to-assist-in-getting-the-crew-of-the-uss-frank-e-evans-added-to-the-vietnam-memorial-wall&amp;via=RallyPoint" target="_blank" class="social-share-button twitter-custom-share-button"><i class="fa fa-twitter"></i></a> <a href="mailto:?subject=Check this out on RallyPoint!&body=Hi, I thought you would find this interesting:%0D%0ADoes anyone have reliable resources to assist in getting the crew of the USS Frank E Evans added to the Vietnam Memorial Wall?%0D%0A %0D%0AHere is the link: https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/does-anyone-have-reliable-resources-to-assist-in-getting-the-crew-of-the-uss-frank-e-evans-added-to-the-vietnam-memorial-wall" target="_blank" class="social-share-button email-share-button"><i class="fa fa-envelope"></i></a> </div> <a class="fancybox" rel="5e0acaee260f284c9251f30c4599a448" href="https://d1ndsj6b8hkqu9.cloudfront.net/pictures/images/000/560/495/for_gallery_v2/f7d4dbd8.jpg"><img src="https://d1ndsj6b8hkqu9.cloudfront.net/pictures/images/000/560/495/large_v3/f7d4dbd8.jpg" alt="F7d4dbd8" /></a></div></div>Does anyone have reliable resources to assist in getting the crew of the USS Frank E Evans added to the Wall? We have been trying for decades and I believe the 74 crew should be recognized. Back story: The Navy destroyer USS Frank E. Evans served America during World War II, the Korean War and the Vietnamese War. It was a training exercise, however, which brought the ship’s service to a brutal end in the South China Sea.<br /><br />On the morning of June 3, 1969, the Evans (DD 754) was literally sliced in two during a collision with the Australian aircraft carrier HMAS Melbourne. The American ship’s bow section sank in just a couple of minutes, killing 74 of her crewmen.<br /><br />Fifty years later, survivors from the horrible accident and family members of those lost are fighting to have the names of these sailors added to the Vietnam Veterans Memorial Wall.<br /><br />Proponents argue the Evans had just concluded an extended tour off the coast of Vietnam, providing offshore bombardment support, prior to its fatal collision. What’s more, she was slated to return to this role following the exercise, which was organized as a 40-ship “show of force” demonstration for the North Vietnamese.<br /><br />The Navy, however, insists the incident occurred outside the designated combat zone of the time, and therefore the “Lost 74” don’t qualify for inclusion on the wall in Washington, D.C. U.S. Sens. Jeanne Shaheen of New Hampshire and Angus King of Maine are two co-sponsors of a bill to have the sailors’ names added to the memorial.<br /><br />Among those lost was 21-year-old Gary Joseph Vigue, a 1965 Dover High School graduate who left behind a wife and a 5-month-old son.<br /><br />“It is long overdue that these men join their fellow fallen brothers and receive the recognition they deserve on the Vietnam Veterans Memorial Wall,” Shaheen said recently. “Boundary lines drawn in the water shouldn’t determine the respect we pay our servicemen and women killed in the line of duty – they gave their lives for this country and their sacrifice deserves equal recognition.”<br /><br />Prior to the 1969 collision, the Evans had provided gunfire support for the 101st Airborne during the Tet offensive in February 1968, and previously served off the Vietnam coast in 1966. And before that she had an impressive battle record dating as far back as World War II, serving as an escort vessel in the Pacific. During the Korean War, the Evans earned five battle stars and took part in the siege of Wonsan.<br /><br />Commissioned at the New York Naval Shipyard in February 1945, the destroyer was named after a decorated World War I Marine general.<br /><br />In the early hours of June 3, 1969, the destroyer was one of 40 ships taking part in a massive exercise dubbed “Operation Sea Spirit,” operating in darkened conditions. She had just completed her most recent tour off the Vietnam coast less than three weeks earlier.<br /><br />But on this fateful morning, the Evans, serving as an escort, cut in front of the Australian carrier Melbourne and was struck at about 4:15 a.m.<br /><br />“Just why remained a mystery,” The Associated Press reported at the time. “Weather was clear, the seas calm, and both ships were equipped with modern radar.”<br /><br />The bow section of the American destroyer sank almost immediately. Most of the 74 crewmembers that perished in the sea were sleeping in their quarters at the time.<br /><br />The nearly 200 surviving sailors were evacuated from Evans onto the Melbourne, but the damaged ship’s stern remained afloat. The severed destroyer was then towed back to Subic Bay in the Philippines.<br /><br />Ultimately, investigators determined there had been miscommunication between the ships regarding their positions. Three of the destroyer’s officers, including the commanding officer, were court-martialed as a result of the incident.<br /><br />One of the surviving Evans crewmen, Steve Kraus now serves as president of the USS Frank E. Evans Association, which is heading the drive to add their fallen shipmates to the Vietnam memorial.<br /><br />“The 74 enlisted, trained and went to war in defense of our freedom and to fight against communist aggression,” Kraus said recently. “An arbitrary line in the water should not be the criteria to deter them from being honored and included with their fellow soldiers.”<br /><br />In a tragic irony, the Melbourne had been involved in a similar incident just five years before with another Australian ship, the destroyer HMAS Voyager. This collision killed 81 crewmen and a civilian dockworker.<br /><br />From Dover to the seas<br /><br />In his high school yearbook, Gary Vigue’s ambition was listed as draftsman, and his acknowledged chief failing in the classroom was history. His fondest dream, he wrote, was “to be a test-car driver.”<br /><br />Vigue attended Portsmouth Vocational Institute after graduating from Dover High, but enlisted in the Navy at Portland, Maine, in October 1966. He went to boot camp at the Great Lakes training center. He had already served aboard the destroyer escort USS Savage and destroyer USS Leonard F. Mason before his assignment to the Evans.<br /><br />He married Sarah Guay, a Farmington High School graduate, in July 1968 and then reported for duty aboard his new ship two weeks later, according to the Evans Association website. The wedding announcement appearing in the local Farmington News declared the couple planned to live in Long Beach, California.<br /><br />Vigue was a third-class petty officer and quartermaster, and according to the Evans Association website was standing watch in the pilot house when the collision occurred. Kraus says it was Vigue who told him when they went on watch at a quarter-to-midnight the ship would be sailing in darkened conditions.<br /><br />Kraus, a signalman, remembers the Dover native as being quiet and focused.<br /><br />“Since the majority of the time we were at sea, I would only get to talk with him when I was coming on for watch,” he said.<br /><br />Vigue’s son Shawn was only 5 months old when the tragedy occurred. A page-one headline in the June 4, 1969, Foster’s Daily Democrat declared “Navy Lists Farmington Youth as Lost at Sea,” alongside a boyhood photo of Vigue.<br /><br />Another New Hampshire native – 23-year-old Ronald Arthur Thibodeau – also died that morning. Thibodeau was born in Manchester but later moved to California, where he attended high school in Whittier. He left behind a wife and a young son, Timothy.<br /><br />Three of the other Evans sailors killed during the tragedy were brothers from Niobrara, Nebraska – Gary, Gregory and Kelly Sage, ranging in age from 22 to 19. Following the loss of the famous five Sullivan brothers aboard the USS Juneau during World War II, it was unusual for siblings to serve aboard the same vessel.<br /><br />The Sage boys, however, requested waivers to be assigned to the same command. The brothers were shipmates for only 75 days before they all perished in the collision.<br /><br />In another unusual family connection, 20-year-old Lawrence J. Reilly Jr. was serving aboard the Evans with his father, Lawrence Sr., a chief petty officer and the ship’s master-at-arms. The younger Reilly was killed standing watch in the forward fire room during the collision, while his father survived.<br /><br />William Brown II, a 23-year-old petty officer second class, married Vicky just three days before the Evans departed on its doomed final mission. He died in the fire room with Reilly; both were boiler tenders.<br /><br />Devere Grissom Jr., a seaman apprentice, died on his 19th birthday. Thirty-two-year old radarman Eugene Lehman left behind five children.<br /><br />Seaman Francis Garcia served aboard USS Gridley with a young Navy ensign named John F. Kerry before being assigned to the Evans. Garcia died just four days before his 22nd birthday.<br /><br />Another of the sailors lost that morning was 18-year-old James William Kerr of Los Angeles, but to the best of this writer’s knowledge we are not related.<br /><br />Effort to honor their sacrifice<br /><br />Senate Bill S.849, introduced this past March by Kevin Cramer of North Dakota, had its first hearing in June before the Senate Energy and Natural Resources Subcommittee on National Parks. A similar bill is already included in the U.S. House of Representatives version of the National Defense Authorization Act.<br /><br />The Senate and the House will have to conference together on the NDAA for final passage. A recent letter from Shaheen and the other 15 bipartisan co-sponsors of what’s known as the USS Frank E. Evans Act urged the Senate and House Armed Services Committees to adopt it into this final law.<br /><br />The Sept. 9 letter emphasizes how fitting it would be for the Evans seamen to finally gain this recognition the year of the tragedy’s 50th anniversary.<br /><br />“While the incident occurred about 100 miles outside of the official combat zone, the ship and a majority of the deceased sailors had previously provided naval gunfire off the coast of Vietnam,” the senators wrote. Other ships in the naval group returned to these waters afterward, they added.<br /><br />Shaheen, a senior member of the Armed Services Committee, told the Herald in a separate statement:<br /><br />“I’ll keep fighting to see Ronald Arthur Thibodeau, Gary Joseph Vigue and the other 72 Americans of the ‘Lost 74’ etched upon the Vietnam Veterans Memorial Wall so every visitor sees their names and remembers their sacrifice.” Kenn Evans Fri, 05 Feb 2021 11:19:43 -0500 2021-02-05T11:19:43-05:00 Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2021 11:50 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/does-anyone-have-reliable-resources-to-assist-in-getting-the-crew-of-the-uss-frank-e-evans-added-to-the-vietnam-memorial-wall?n=6722463&urlhash=6722463 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Although tragic, this crew does not qualify to have their names added to the wall per the current criteria.<br /><br /><a target="_blank" href="https://www.wearethemighty.com/mighty-culture/why-names-added-vietnam-wall/">https://www.wearethemighty.com/mighty-culture/why-names-added-vietnam-wall/</a> <div class="pta-link-card answers-template-image type-default"> <div class="pta-link-card-picture"> <img src="https://d26horl2n8pviu.cloudfront.net/link_data_pictures/images/000/603/590/qrc/origin.jpg?1612543777"> </div> <div class="pta-link-card-content"> <p class="pta-link-card-title"> <a target="blank" href="https://www.wearethemighty.com/mighty-culture/why-names-added-vietnam-wall/">Why names are added to the Vietnam Veterans Memorial Wall - We Are The Mighty</a> </p> <p class="pta-link-card-description">Known simply as &quot;The Wall&quot; to the men and women who can find the name of a loved one inscribed on it, the Vietnam Veterans Memorial Wall lists the names of those who fell during the Vietnam War. The names are arranged first by date, and then alpha…</p> </div> <div class="clearfix"></div> </div> Sgt Private RallyPoint Member Fri, 05 Feb 2021 11:50:36 -0500 2021-02-05T11:50:36-05:00 Response by SSG Bill McCoy made Feb 5 at 2021 1:58 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/does-anyone-have-reliable-resources-to-assist-in-getting-the-crew-of-the-uss-frank-e-evans-added-to-the-vietnam-memorial-wall?n=6722820&urlhash=6722820 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>While I strongly empathize with the USS Frank E. Evans Association, they would probably do better to attempt to have a separate memorial near the D.C. VN Memorial Wall - like the Army Nurse Memorial.<br />I honestly do not feel that it would be appropriate to add their names to &quot;the Wall,&quot; and I take NO satisfaction in stating that.<br />Otherwise, it would be like adding the names, for EXAMPLE, of soldiers lost on a MAC flight out of Vietnam, and out of VN territory. (No that did not happen.) <br />Has the Navy initiated a memorial at the ship&#39;s home port? I would be surprised if they haven&#39;t, as well as disappointed. SSG Bill McCoy Fri, 05 Feb 2021 13:58:58 -0500 2021-02-05T13:58:58-05:00 Response by LTC Jason Mackay made Feb 5 at 2021 11:51 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/does-anyone-have-reliable-resources-to-assist-in-getting-the-crew-of-the-uss-frank-e-evans-added-to-the-vietnam-memorial-wall?n=6724012&urlhash=6724012 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>This is not a “resource” the RP diaspora has tucked in a drawer. Requires an act of congress LTC Jason Mackay Fri, 05 Feb 2021 23:51:40 -0500 2021-02-05T23:51:40-05:00 2021-02-05T11:19:43-05:00