Does anyone have information on (USAR) 70B Direct Commission at a higher pay grade based on graduate degree?

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 16 Sep 2017 16:09:44 -0400

Response by CAPT Kevin B. made Sep 18 at 2017 7:59 PM

CAPT Kevin B. — Mon, 18 Sep 2017 19:59:07 -0400

Obviously I'm not AR but am aware of past Navy HCA activities. They'd go for O-2 (common) for a Masters and O-3 (very rare) for a PhD, BUT had to be in the Hurt Locker for filling billets. If the normal flow of BS types was doing OK, there wasn't a problem that needed to be solved, hence why? I saw those programs come and go with the need for both active and reserves. Reserves tended to be "fat" at the O-3 level mostly because of the AD bail outs due to FOS to O-4, or they preferred a civilian career first, spouse beat them up to get out, whatever. Bottom line, I'd presume it's feasible, but is it needed to solve a body count problem? So my question to the Body Shop side would be how's the manning at the O-2/3 level for 70Bs?

I'll add an edit and that has to do with the long game. What are the professional/educational pedigree items for O-4? If a suitable graduate degree, credentials, etc. come into play, you can be a less risky bet for meeting the needs of the future. For AD, they loved it because they didn't have to pony up Grad School and had you for another 2 years in a productive billet. Don't know how reserves look at it. If the community is getting the stuff they need because it's needed for Civ advancement, it's likely a neutral. I'd look into that as well.

Response by SGT Dave Tracy made Sep 20 at 2017 2:53 PM

SGT Dave Tracy — Wed, 20 Sep 2017 14:53:08 -0400

Out of curiosity I'll be following this to see if you get a specific USAR answer (though CPT Ball's insights are interesting too). I was approached to do direct commission when I was Reserve side and would have been handed the PL slot for my own platoon...that just sounds like a minefield, but I digress. I guess it shouldn't surprise me that on the Reserve side, advance degrees will allow for a higher pay grade than O-1 in certain fields, but I never considered that. Probably because I never seriously considered going from E-5 to O-1, which would have been my option.

As an E-5(P), you sure you want to go officer? That's kinda like going from the Rock Star to being the band manager!
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Response by SSgt John Carter made Nov 8 at 2017 12:09 PM

SSgt John Carter — Wed, 08 Nov 2017 12:09:31 -0500

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Response by 2LT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 10 at 2017 10:46 PM

2LT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 10 Nov 2017 22:46:55 -0500

Hey SGT, I noticed in the later responses you stated that you were actually selected for a DC slot. How did you begin the process to get the ball rolling? I am interested in doing the same thing. I have been searching but I honestly cannot find an avenue to even begin with anything.

Response by CPT Enrique M. made Dec 6 at 2017 11:34 PM

CPT Enrique M. — Wed, 06 Dec 2017 23:34:14 -0500

late to the game , but for 70B you won't get constructive credit. Heck as a 70D with a masters and 10 years in the industry didn't get me constructive credit.

the only way that i know for constructive credit is if you are a provider
Have fun at BOLC!

Response by MAJ Daniel Biron made Jan 4 at 2018 7:58 PM

MAJ Daniel Biron — Thu, 04 Jan 2018 19:58:19 -0500

2LT Kyle. As a retired MAJ in the Army Reserve with my last assignment as a Health Recruiter I believe I can answer your question. For our purpose of answering your question of establishing the pay grade for medical AOCs, OTSG (Office of the Surgeon General) uses constructive credit to establish the pay grade of a health care provider applicant. This is where an individual is directly involved in providing care to a sick or wounded patient. A higher pay grade is offered based on years of medical or dental education from an approved institution, a degree, and years of experience in the field they are commissioned for. A 70B Health Service Administrator is in effect a leadership position and constructive credit is not used.

Response by LTC Stephan Porter made Apr 17 at 2018 6:07 PM

LTC Stephan Porter — Tue, 17 Apr 2018 18:07:06 -0400

Just confirming that the above comentsvare correct, no constructive credit for 70B.