Does a First Sergeant keep his diamond if mobilized and attached to another unit on TCS orders?

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 07 Jul 2015 03:04:35 -0400

A reserve 1SG being mobilized for a joint command on TCS orders, but will stay in same position on UMR does she stay a 1SG or? Their orders will attach, not assign them. They still have responsibilities to the unit they belong to.

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 7 at 2015 5:47 AM

CSM Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 07 Jul 2015 05:47:17 -0400

If you are appointed as a 1SG and PCS/TCS and you know that you are going to assume duties as a 1SG at your next assignment you can keep the diamond. The proper thing to do is have your new commander sign a new 4187 appointing you as a 1SG in that unit.

If you will not be assuming duties as a 1SG in your next assignment you should be wearing MSG stripes.

In this case is if she will not be serving as a 1SG in the unit she is TCSd/attached to she should be wearing MSG stripes. She can be re-appointed when she returns to her organic unit.

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 7 at 2015 8:27 AM

SGM Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 07 Jul 2015 08:27:46 -0400

The primary position on TDA/TOE should determine the "actual" rank.

Response by CSM David Heidke made Jul 7 at 2015 8:37 AM

CSM David Heidke — Tue, 07 Jul 2015 08:37:25 -0400

no, they do not.

I had two "first" sergeants who adamantly refused to remove the diamond when I was in Afghanistan.

I too was a mobilized 1SG, as were these two, but unlike them I took off the diamond without being reminded on a daily basis.

These two were childish ego cases, who would pout and whine whenever they didn't get their way.

If you are deployed into another position, you are no longer on the UMR in the losing unit, orders take you out of that unit.

Response by SGT Joseph Goldman made Jul 7 at 2015 12:57 PM

SGT Joseph Goldman — Tue, 07 Jul 2015 12:57:12 -0400

Then they maintain their diamond. If one does not loose their UMR Line and par position they maintain that rank/grade. It is an attachment not assignment.

Response by 1SG John Highfill made Mar 17 at 2020 7:19 AM

1SG John Highfill — Tue, 17 Mar 2020 07:19:00 -0400

Being 1SG is an MOS that is awarded with an Appointment Order. The position required a memo with the line and paragraph number putting you into that position on the UMR . If you are deployed into that position see to it that you have this done . I guess it’s possible to be deployed and not have that line in the deployed unit type the Appointment order yourself and get your command BN or CO to sign it