Do you wear headgear when you're outside at your house?

CSM David Hopkins — Sun, 09 Mar 2014 21:33:39 -0400

So, with the new and improved AR 670-1 on the verge of being released (not holding my breath), and after reading many of the discussions on uniform violations I got to thinking.  One of the things I always talk to my Soldiers about and gets on my nerves when I see it, is when Soldiers are at home, both on and off post, many of them do not wear their headgear when they get out of the vehicle and walk inside.  I have seen Officers, NCOs, and junior Soldiers all do this.  Their excuse is always that they are at their residence, which I impart the knowledge to them that the regulation does not delineate between work and home.<div><br></div><div>So, be honest in the thread here, how many of you do not wear your headgear when you are going inside your house and why not.  Don't worry, I am not going to come find you and chastise you, just a kind of survey as to him many feel this is not a big issue.  </div>

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 9 at 2014 9:38 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 09 Mar 2014 21:38:04 -0400

There is not a differnce if you are at home or at work , when in uniform stay in uniform untill the uniform is completly off!!!

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 9 at 2014 9:46 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 09 Mar 2014 21:46:12 -0400

For the survey, I'll admit, 99% of the time I don't wear my headgear when I get out of car and go into my home.  While I am not excusing this violation, a little background to at least understand why I make this choice...I can take 3 steps from my car and be inside my garage. I leave my headgear in my car mainly because I have 3 very children who are fascinated with daddy's stuff and have spent too much time searching for sunglasses, headgear, keys, etc...I find it easier to leave the headgear and he sunglasses together in the car so I never have to search for them! Kinda lame I know, but I'm just being honest.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 9 at 2014 10:09 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 09 Mar 2014 22:09:41 -0400

I am guilty of this. I leave it in my car mainly because it is the easiest thing for me to leave at home in the morning or forget to pack the night prior. Also young children have a knack for placing items in weird places if they get ahold if it and the last thing I want to look for at 0445 in the morning is my patrol cap.

Response by SSG Laureano Pabon made Mar 9 at 2014 10:15 PM

SSG Laureano Pabon — Sun, 09 Mar 2014 22:15:04 -0400

CSM H, I'm not going to blame the Vietnam Era because of how they were treated. But I am a Post nam vet 1976 and that happened in my time. It was peacetime and yes it did happen in my time the majority of the time. I have done this about 25% of the time when I would get home to get off the car, walk 5 feet into the gates walk another 8 feet to get to my doors. But where I lived we didn't have military personal. However while off post getting off work, it was a habit for me to put my hat all the time.

So I guess we get the blame for starting something that is still on going today.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 9 at 2014 10:20 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 09 Mar 2014 22:20:19 -0400

I live across the street from a retired 1SG and a retired CSM lives next door (both Vietnam Vets).  You're crazy if you think I don't check myself before I get out of my car and walk 30' to my door.  They love correcting me (and helping me) with every little thing.  "Ma'am, ma'am what the he!! are you doing???"  Apparently, the way I clean gutters, shovel snow, add washer fluid...none of it, is up to standards.<div><br></div><div>Sorry, I'm a little off topic, but yes, I wear my uniform properly from walking out the door, until walking back in.  In general, I never want to ever hear anyone defend themselves in doing the wrong thing with the phrase, "CPT Wolfer does it."</div>

Response by SSG (ret) William Martin made Mar 9 at 2014 10:20 PM

SSG (ret) William Martin — Sun, 09 Mar 2014 22:20:34 -0400

CSM, I live off post. I leave my head gear in my car so I do not forget it when I go to work. I also leave my PT belt in my car as well. My porch is approximately 1 meter from my car also.

Response by SSG Zachery Mitchell made Mar 9 at 2014 10:21 PM

SSG Zachery Mitchell — Sun, 09 Mar 2014 22:21:31 -0400

I always wear mine inside. I have a routine. I take it off and put it on the counter. I put my car keys and wallet in my head gear so when I wake up in the morning for PT my wallet and keys are ready to go and after PT I put them back in my headgear so I know where it is when I get done with hygiene. I'm sure I've been guilty of it a couple times but it's been awhile.

Response by MAJ Bryan Zeski made Mar 9 at 2014 10:26 PM

MAJ Bryan Zeski — Sun, 09 Mar 2014 22:26:06 -0400

I'll admit that sometimes I get home, kick off my boots and jacket and flop down on my couch without taking my uniform completely off.  Maybe Army standards don't apply in my house, I don't know, but inside is my sanctuary and when the day comes that the Army really wants to enforce regulations as to what I wear or how I wear it in my house, that's the day I'll be looking for a new line of work.<div><br></div><div>I understand standards - but I also understand common sense.</div>

Response by 1SG Shane Hansen made Mar 9 at 2014 11:36 PM

1SG Shane Hansen — Sun, 09 Mar 2014 23:36:51 -0400

<p>Due to my OCD condition, I always have my headgear on when traveling from my vehicle to my front door.  It became part of my routine since the days I lived in the barracks as a young Soldier.  </p><p>I don't know if I feel it is a big deal or not, but you are correct, the regulation does not specify a difference between residence and work in regards to wear and appearance of the military uniform.  </p>

Response by SSG Robert Burns made Mar 9 at 2014 11:49 PM

SSG Robert Burns — Sun, 09 Mar 2014 23:49:36 -0400

I do not, unless I am going to be outside for an extended time, like talking to the neighbors or something. Once I am home I exercise a little freedom. I don't think it's any different than walking around inside your house without your boots on or your top on. You are at home, not at work, and not in any official capacity. I just think it's a little responsible discretion.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 10 at 2014 12:29 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 10 Mar 2014 00:29:08 -0400

I will admit that I am guilty of this as well. In all honesty, I know I am in the wrong, but I do it for two reasons: 1- I park the car by my garage, only a few feet away. If I am in uniform and outside beyond the few feet to my car, I do wear my cover. 2- For whatever reason, if the headgear comes inside, it seems to get forgotten. Whether my kids take off with it when I am not looking, or I simply forget that it is in the house and not my car, only to drive off without it in the am.

Perhaps I should consider adjusting my routine so I am not doing the wrong thing...

Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 10 at 2014 12:30 AM

SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 10 Mar 2014 00:30:12 -0400

I'm guilty as charged. However, in my defense, I have a dedicated covered off street parking spot that leads to my front door If/when someone takes my spot, I wear my headgear (as I call a tow truck or ask my neighbors to tell their guests to park on the street).

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 10 at 2014 12:30 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 10 Mar 2014 00:30:48 -0400

My 2 year old son is fascinated with daddy's work stuff ("Daddy hat?  hat? hat?")  So I leave it in the car, lest it disappear into Narnia with the rest of the stuff my son has gotten his hands on.  I feel ok doing it because my driveway is not in view of the street, I walk maybe 10 feet to my door...I think SSG Burns said it best "Responsible discretion"

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 10 at 2014 12:58 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 10 Mar 2014 00:58:09 -0400

I never wear my headgear from the car to the door, but then again I park my car in the garage and have 4 youngsters with one on the way that love to play Soldier with my patrol caps and previously berets. So I always leave it in the car.

Response by PVT Marc Persons made Mar 10 at 2014 1:07 AM

PVT Marc Persons — Mon, 10 Mar 2014 01:07:23 -0400

I'm a veteran, I still to this day wear a patrol cap. It's black, but it's still a patrol cap. I take it off while indoors, and it's always on my head outside. I correct (politely) every solider I see, that is out of uniform. I always begin with "AR-670-1 states....." And I go on to break down their mistake. Now, some of you reservist out their, that think your immune to following AR-670-1 while wearing the uniform but not being at drill, remember this, some one is always watching. Integrity people. It's not that hard. Have some respect for the uniform you wear. We aren't on the block any more. And even if you are on your block, if your in uniform, make sure that shit is squared away because there is nothing I like more then a little corrective punishment in front of your friends, and then telling you that I got out as an E-1.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 10 at 2014 7:36 AM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 10 Mar 2014 07:36:00 -0400

My home is a no hat/no salute area.

Response by SFC Stephen P. made Mar 10 at 2014 9:06 AM

SFC Stephen P. — Mon, 10 Mar 2014 09:06:01 -0400

As the acting commander and NCOIC of Camp Pate, I have declared the entire installation a no hat/no salute zone.<br>

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 10 at 2014 10:11 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 10 Mar 2014 10:11:38 -0400

I do wear my head gear to and from my home to my car. However, hat is more out of habit than anything. I dont particularly feel that it is a big deal.

Response by Maj Chris Nelson made Mar 10 at 2014 10:26 AM

Maj Chris Nelson — Mon, 10 Mar 2014 10:26:11 -0400

I live out in the country and I still wear my cover from truck to house. I use my hat to hold my pockets overnight so I can find everything all at once. Hat and pockets always go in one spot in the house.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 10 at 2014 10:32 AM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 10 Mar 2014 10:32:26 -0400

This subject is one near and dear to me as well. To me it shows a lack of discipline. If you cant do the little things when noone is watching how am I suppose to entrust the responsibility of leading young heroes??? Short answer is: I CANT.

Response by MSG Cameron Davis made Mar 10 at 2014 11:00 AM

MSG Cameron Davis — Mon, 10 Mar 2014 11:00:56 -0400

I don't currently wear the uniform for my position here in Athens but prior I have been guilty of not wearing it at home. In my defense however, I always parked inside the garage and that is technically inside and therefore I am covered. Where I was guilty however, were the days I checked the mailbox! I was a Drill Sergeant prior to that and I always had the hat on, until I was home. In that case, I always left the hat in the car both physically and metaphorically. I can clearly see that with the new AR 670-1, there are a lot of things changing. I don't like some of the changes but I really like having a job and supporting my family. With the additional proposal from DoD on the number of Soldiers to be cut, I think we would all be wise to keep our feet and knees together at all time.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 10 at 2014 11:13 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 10 Mar 2014 11:13:51 -0400

I'll admit I was guilty of this after drill when I drove home. I would exit my car no headgear, but I stopped simply because I felt naked. It was weird.

Response by SSG Christopher Settembrino made Mar 10 at 2014 11:15 AM

SSG Christopher Settembrino — Mon, 10 Mar 2014 11:15:31 -0400

CSM Hopkins, I can honestly say that I do put my cover on before I get out of my car and walk to my front door.  And I remove my headgear right as I step into my house.  I do it everytime, without fail.  The only time I do not is if I've parked my car in the garage and just walk into the house from the garage since I am undercover.  I do not understand why something as simply as putting your hat on to walk less than 50 feet is such a chore for some people.  Regs are regs and that should be the end of it.

Response by SGT Bryon Sergent made Mar 10 at 2014 11:59 AM

SGT Bryon Sergent — Mon, 10 Mar 2014 11:59:25 -0400

I will admit that as a National Guard soldier that at 0200 and I am loading my truck with the required stuff to drive 5 hrs to my home station I will put my Cover in my truck, then continue to load out. Then kiss the wife and hids and in the truck. If I refuel then it goes on. How can I correct my soldiers if I am in the wrong as a team ldr. when In the armory then I tuck it in my waist band in the small of my back. always know where it is and it isnt in my cargo pocket making my uniform look trashy. It has dropped in the toilet a couple of time and then a new one is bought but if in uniform then it is part of it so yes it is on other wise.

Response by LTC John Paul Cook made Mar 10 at 2014 4:12 PM

LTC John Paul Cook — Mon, 10 Mar 2014 16:12:10 -0400

<p>We are soldiers 24/7, and therefore military baring should be maintained. That said, NO HAT/NO SALUTE zones are commonly designated and it seems that a Soldier's home (on/off base) really ought to qualify in this category.</p><p><br></p><p>I for one often leave my cover and during cooler/cold weather my coat in the car when I get home. Similarly when I had neighbors of senior/junior grade to me there was no expectations to exchange formal military courtesies across the porch. </p>

Response by SPC Randall Eichelberger made Mar 10 at 2014 4:41 PM

SPC Randall Eichelberger — Mon, 10 Mar 2014 16:41:18 -0400

I think that in order to maintain a certain level of sanity there needs to be a line where the Army doesn't apply (little things of course), whether you draw that line at your driveway or your door, I think telling someone to put on their hat at their driveway is a little much.

Why don't we do the same thing with enforcing PT belts? (most posts require them to be worn at all times in PT's)..but walk into a shoppette or look in their car at 0-8 at their house, you will see a pt belt hanging on a seat or the dashboard.

Response by SFC William Swartz Jr made Mar 10 at 2014 5:27 PM

SFC William Swartz Jr — Mon, 10 Mar 2014 17:27:32 -0400

I will admit that I violated this one all the time when going to/from my car/house. Became habit after I inadvertently left my headgear at the house and took to taking it off before exiting the vehicle to walk the 20-30 steps to the door.

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 10 at 2014 5:39 PM

SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 10 Mar 2014 17:39:37 -0400

The only time I will go outside without my PC (while wearing my ACUs) is if the dog gets himself wound-up around something (he is on a cable attached to a stake in the ground when outside) and cannot move. It's only a few feet from the door.

Otherwise, I do the right thing, even when no one is looking. However, in my (on-post) neighborhood, there is ALWAYS someone watching. So I lead by example.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 10 at 2014 5:44 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 10 Mar 2014 17:44:17 -0400

I'm guilty.  Got home one day (headgear off) and one of my boys was at the playground and started screaming after falling.  I ran over without my cover and my wife was right behind me with it in her hand.  Now that's a good woman!  

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 10 at 2014 9:42 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 10 Mar 2014 21:42:56 -0400

This is why I park in the garage now.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 10 at 2014 9:55 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 10 Mar 2014 21:55:49 -0400

I honestly used to do it all the time.. however I have found that even when some Soldiers go to get fuel for there personal vehicle they chose not to wear headgear. I used to make on spot corrections to those I out ranked which back then were only Privates but now days I leave for work when its dark and get home when its dark so I leave the campaign hat in the car.. I value my sleep and limited time with family.. don't want to stress myself on the way to work worrying if I have my hat or not. Besides like most who have commented before I usually don't have far to walk to the front door, but if it was in daylight hours and I had to run home then I would have it on all the way until I got inside.

Response by SFC Aaron Calmes made Mar 10 at 2014 10:01 PM

SFC Aaron Calmes — Mon, 10 Mar 2014 22:01:33 -0400

CSM I always wear my headgear to and from the car but I do understand about soldiers trying to avoid forgetting it at home or afraid of losing it due to small kids (I also put my headgear up high and put my keys/wallet inside). I do put my headgear on inside in the morning to keep from forgetting it and on occasion have walked out the door with my sunglasses on top of my headgear (to keep from forgetting them).

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 10 at 2014 10:43 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 10 Mar 2014 22:43:51 -0400

Years ago my 1SG was driving around asking people a question. He wanted to know why we wear our headgear when driving around in our patrol vehicles. Before I could finish my all too eager answer he replied simply, "Because the regulation says to"

Yes I wear my headgear into the house when I come home. And that's a three hour trip right now. Always have. Not to say I haven't or even walked around my yard with no top or hat, but it is simply a discipline to have and a choice to make. Just don't make it a habit. But, I'm also not going out to correct my neighbor who doesn't.

There are usually more critical reasons why someone is discrediting the uniform. That is usually unprofessional behavior.

As for jurisdiction, the UCMJ is not only valid in every country and all seas it is valid in "all places", they wrote it that way to include places they didn't even comprehend, like space. And as I hear it, parts of the new AR 670-1 will be punitive.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 11 at 2014 5:52 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 11 Mar 2014 05:52:44 -0400

I declared my home a no headgear zone and my truck a no top on zone.

Response by CW4 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 11 at 2014 6:22 AM

CW4 Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 11 Mar 2014 06:22:56 -0400

I will admit that when not in Korea (I have underground parking here), I place me PC in my hand and walk the four steps to me garage. I too like several others have stated, place all of my "stuff" in my PC on the kitchen counter so that I do not misplace anything. Then when i leave, I simply grab everything and drive to work without placing my PC on my head until I exit my vehicle on post. I agree with the common sense rule, and common sense says its my home, and it is a no hat no salute area.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 12 at 2014 9:12 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 12 Mar 2014 21:12:59 -0400

CSM,

I am also guilty as charged. I don't really have an excuse. I back my truck into the driveway everyday and the stairs to my porch are the length of my truck away. I can honestly say that even if the driveway was a little longer, I would still probably leave it on the dash as I always do so I know where it is. Any other time I always have it on. And if I plan on being out in my yard I will put it on, but normally the first thing I do when I get home is change.

I live in a predominantly military neighborhood about 3 miles from Quantico. I notice a lot of people do the same thing and within eyesight of my house every branch is represented.

SFC Rosenlund

Response by 1SG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 12 at 2014 9:15 PM

1SG(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 12 Mar 2014 21:15:11 -0400

CSM, since you promised not to come to my house to chastise me, I have to let you know that for myself, and I think many soldiers, this is a depressing topic.  I say this because you're a CSM, the most highly paid NCO other than the SMA, and the topic you raise on this forum is headgear on the front lawn.  When you typed this question, it was the most important thought on your mind.  We still have soldiers getting killed overseas, a looming budget cut, changes in tactics and equipment, societal changes in our Army over sexuality and gender, but THIS is the topic you're raising.  As the leading advocate for the soldiers in your battalion, I'm sure we could discuss a more pressing issue.  Enforcing standards isn't trivial.  But I think this is a part of the disconnect between officers and NCOs.  I'm afraid these discussions frequently lead field grade and higher officers to think "I worry about operations.  NCOs worry about hats on lawns."<br>

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 12 at 2014 9:43 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 12 Mar 2014 21:43:36 -0400

Guilty! I do walk from the driveway to the house and leave my head gear in the car on occasion. I have zero military neighbors...not that it justifies it! I'm wrong!

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 12 at 2014 9:43 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 12 Mar 2014 21:43:38 -0400

Guilty! I do walk from the driveway to the house and leave my head gear in the car on occasion. I have zero military neighbors...not that it justifies it! I'm wrong!

Response by SGT Montana Crawford made Mar 13 at 2014 3:08 PM

SGT Montana Crawford — Thu, 13 Mar 2014 15:08:56 -0400

Honestly, not trying to pander, but I still feel the pride of wearing the uniform, almost 8 years in. If I'm in the open air, I'm wearing my headgear.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 13 at 2014 7:08 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 13 Mar 2014 19:08:25 -0400

I typically do not, if I am going directly into the house. If I am not going directly into the house, I do.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 13 at 2014 7:26 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 13 Mar 2014 19:26:26 -0400

Frankly, I live off post and as far as I'm concerned AR 670-my castle trumps other regulations. However; when getting home and leaving for work my head gear is on. The only time that changes is if I end up walking to my backyard or something to play with my kids or sit out back with them so their mother can have a break.

I get that we're soldiers 24/7 but using that same logic we could never sleep, or drink or etc. I think if youre at your home some common sense should be used, and if you're in public you should adhere to regulation. But your home is yours, it's your safe place away from the rigors of our daily lives. Attempting to push more of the army into the home is the wrong answer in my opinion.

Response by SSG V. Michelle Woods made Mar 14 at 2014 9:05 PM

SSG V. Michelle Woods — Fri, 14 Mar 2014 21:05:51 -0400

Yes I am in full violation of 670-1 and all ALARACTs and MILPERS and FMs and DA Pams when I am at home. Not only do I not wear my headgear outside, I take my hair down and remove my ACU blouse. <div><br></div><div>Messing with a soldier over uniform violations in their home is absolutely crossing the line. Step in my yard to check me on my uniform and my momma will shoot you. </div><div>:)</div>

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 14 at 2014 9:19 PM

SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 14 Mar 2014 21:19:18 -0400

Not gonna lie... More often than not, I will leave my Campaign Cover in a hat press in my truck. I will then walk maybe 15 steps to my door. That being said... we aren't supposed to wear head gear indoors either, but how many of us are guilty of that too. As a Drill Sergeant, I constantly wear my "hat" indoors, especially during red phase. Why?.?.?. intimidation factor lol.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 14 at 2014 9:21 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 14 Mar 2014 21:21:51 -0400

I live next door to a Major. After work during the summer I actually take my blouse off and pull weeds, cut the back yard, or little things like that. I do because I don't want to go inside and change. I do feel self conscious while doing it, its feels wrong, so I know I'm wrong. Why do I do it still? When I'm concerned about it, I just think it shows to my neighbors that I'm just like them. (he's the only military member on my block). A guy who is human. This is a good question. Integrity, on and off duty. If my character was telling myself "hahaha your getting away with something", I wouldn't do it. My character is thinking, I'm a Soldier that cares about his yard and would rather get this uniform thats already dirty more dirty. I feel like I shoud get a negative bullet on my NCOER now. dang.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 16 at 2014 2:02 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 16 Mar 2014 02:02:29 -0400

I don't think it's about "in your home" It's about when your not at work. And when your in uniform your in a full uniform not a partial, pants no top or pants no hat, when you step out that door you put it on, you signed the contract to be part of the greatest free army in the world. Live up to your expectations set the example for our new generations and we would not be having this conversation. Sorry on typos on my iPadiPad

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 16 at 2014 2:48 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 16 Mar 2014 02:48:47 -0400

I see this all the time at work. I work at a starbucks and I hardly ever see a service member walk in with their headgear on.

Response by SSG Gordon Hill made Mar 23 at 2014 1:22 PM

SSG Gordon Hill — Sun, 23 Mar 2014 13:22:39 -0400

I think this is a after effect of wearing the beret, soldiers found it to much trouble to put it on for a short walk, but now they have gone back to the patrol for everyday duty wear, there should be no excuse now or in the past/

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 23 at 2014 1:56 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 23 Mar 2014 13:56:07 -0400

I always wear my cover when walking between my vehicle and front door. I do it because I am an NCO living on post next to junior ranking Soldiers. That being said, when I see them on their property displaying blatant uniform violations, I don't let it get to me. A Soldier's home should be a place where they can relax and not worry about NCOs constantly finding fault with them.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 3 at 2014 2:43 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 Apr 2014 14:43:19 -0400

I think there are more important thing to worry about as far as this goes. I am a E-5 and just yesterday I was watching a E-7 walk and talk on his phone after I said some thing to him he turned to me and said check down not up. That's the toxic leadership we need to get rid of. If you can't even follow a simple rule as that then they really are not going to care about wearing your cover 10 feet in to the house.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 3 at 2014 4:27 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 Apr 2014 16:27:26 -0400

I keep my headgear in the truck
I used to be the guy that went in his house, set his headgear keys and wallet in the headgear in preparation for the next day; everything was in one spot. That worked for a while until my kids got older. Mom told the kids to clean off the counter or wherever my "spot" was and the kids did! Dad's hat was on the counter (with all my stuff in it) and Mom said to clean it off, so let's put it in the drawer or closet, seriously....after a while, I learned to just keep my stuff in the truck.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 3 at 2014 7:39 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 Apr 2014 19:39:19 -0400

I don't wear mine, because once I am in my car I take my beret off and I just don't see the point in having to put it back on just to walk up a flight of stairs now that I live on post. Back when I lived off post I did wear my headgear. The reason for this is because I am in the public eye off post but on post the public can't really see me.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 4 at 2014 7:40 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 04 Apr 2014 19:40:09 -0400

I am guilty of parking my car in my driveway, leaving my PC in the car and walking into my now open garage without headgear. I might also pull in the garbage cans or put them out in the morning without wearing my PC. If I walk around in my housing area, I will put my PC on.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 4 at 2014 10:21 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 04 Apr 2014 22:21:07 -0400

Always leave every form of headgear (patrol cap, beret, fleece cap) in my truck. It seems that this is the one thing I will inevitably forget.  

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 5 at 2014 12:55 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 05 Apr 2014 12:55:50 -0400

I have to say I don't wear mine when I'm walking into the house. With that being said I would never reprimand a soldier for doing the same. I understand what the regulation states, but we all know of areas declared no hat no salute ( I work in one now) shouldn't my home fall into that.

Response by MSG Tim Waychoff made Apr 5 at 2014 1:30 PM

MSG Tim Waychoff — Sat, 05 Apr 2014 13:30:32 -0400

99% of the time, I do indeed wear my headgear moving between the house and the car. It used to not matter, as I used to park in the garage, but since my wife now has the new car, she gets the garage, and I get to walk about 15 feet - just the same, I make it a point to keep my headgear on as required.

My neighbors (I live on post) have asked me why I wear it, and I tell them simply - "I'm in uniform."

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 5 at 2014 10:17 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 05 Apr 2014 22:17:21 -0400

I wear civilian clothes on post, change into my uniform, then change back before going home. I leave my uniform and all the things that go with it on post. When I go home I am just a father and a husband. And yes, I am outranked.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 6 at 2014 12:13 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 06 Apr 2014 00:13:11 -0400

I have a car port so I'm under cover.

Response by SGT James McCue made Apr 6 at 2014 9:15 AM

SGT James McCue — Sun, 06 Apr 2014 09:15:53 -0400

I typically leave my soft cap on the dash of my truck when I get home due to the ease of remembering where it is.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 6 at 2014 10:03 AM

CW3 Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 06 Apr 2014 10:03:40 -0400

CSM Hopkins,

I am one of those Soldiers who doesn't wear mine between the car and house habitually.

Reason #1 and this is the biggest...I hate looking for my headgear in the morning. I have a six year old daughter who loves to wear it around the house. If it is in my car it stays put.

Reason #2 I go directly into my house from my car and don't wander the neighborhood. If I need to get the mail I will either change first or retrieve my cover.

Reason #3 Slight OCD. I think WOCS might have had something to do with this. If things are not right where I left them when I go to look for them it ends up becoming at least a 20 minute search and rescue mission with stuff being reorganized back to my liking, generally disturbing everyone else's organizational scheme.

VR,

CW2 Rapp

Response by SSG Trevor S. made Apr 12 at 2014 12:00 PM

SSG Trevor S. — Sat, 12 Apr 2014 12:00:24 -0400

CSM,

I assume you want honest topical debate by posting this question here.

I feel you are technically correct but you should consider if it is worth it in moral points to bring it up.

I can understand that you are able to witness this on base. The entire community should be soldiers and their family members. While you are driving home, you will witness things almost on accident.

What bothers me is you speak of witnessing this situation in off post housing. Your statement gives me a mental picture (hopefully a misleading mental picture) of you following soldiers home, to see if they put their hat on. I have a feeling if this was addressed in an NCOPD, in this manner, it would cause uneasiness in the junior NCO ranks without regard to the rightness or wrongness of wearing your headgear from the driveway to the door. There is a reason the NSA is being taken to task for over reaching surveillance.

All leaders have their pet peeve correction. It may be best to use discretion in this particular issue, or bring it up for correction in a broader way. I would personally bring it up as a general topic re-introducing the policy concerning wearing the uniform off base. You could address the "on your way home" clause for wearing the uniform into Wal-Mart as an example then ease the conversation into the drive way. "You wear your head gear in the parking lot of Wal-Mart, do you wear your head gear in the parking lot of your apartment complex?" ect...

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 13 at 2014 9:13 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 13 Apr 2014 09:13:02 -0400

I personally wear my headgear to and from my car/house. I admit that I didn't always do this. Once I proudly became part of the Non-Commissioned Officer Corp I had a mental change. As a leader I cannot enforce standards if I do not follow them myself. I live off post and in my neighborhood there are Active/Guard/Reservist throughout. I see many of them do this amongst other regulation violations. I don't always go and correct them because it is way out of the way and would seem quite strange for me to pull into their driveway to correct a situation. My immediate neighbors know that I am "that guy" as they call me and I will correct them if I see it. Now it is to the point that if they see me, they correct themselves without anything being said. I might have that reputation as the "A-hole" but they are in the right and that is all that matters. Standards are standards, we all volunteered to join and follow the rules/standards. So just do it. That's all I have to say about that.

Response by SSG Ed Mikus made Apr 13 at 2014 11:30 AM

SSG Ed Mikus — Sun, 13 Apr 2014 11:30:20 -0400

I do not wear my headgear at home, i very much dis-like wearing head gear of any kind, but since i live on post, i do don my headgear when i leave my yard, i know it would tick me off to see a uniformed soldier walking down the street without headgear even if it is just to put their child on the bus or check the mail. but i feel my house is my place to relax and be comfortable, and if the headgear is not comfortable to me then i do not feel i should wear it at home. with that said, when corrected i find my headgear and don it, or change clothes. The uniform is not about my comfort, it is about uniformity.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 14 at 2014 1:35 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 14 Apr 2014 01:35:45 -0400

Headgear is required to be worn inside only if you are under arms and on KP duty. Why anyone would argue that not wearing inside your home is a violation beats me. I do know that Soldiers in their POVs choose to wear the headgear as if they were back in the hood or with their peeps. whenever you see that, you must make the correction. As far as wearing the headgear when exiting your vehicle to go into your house, well, if you don't you are showing a low level of respect for the uniform and those who wore it before you. I went to an Highschool graduation when I was a PFC and when I exited the auditorium without my garrison cap on my head, my dad, a Korean veteran, slapped me on the side of the head and said," the uniform doesn't make the man, the man makes the uniform". to this date, I can still feel that solid slap to my head and those words are as clear as if he would've said it a few moments ago. I encourage you all to do what's right even when no one's watching.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 14 at 2014 4:23 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 14 Apr 2014 16:23:29 -0400

I just want to say that this thread is exactly why I moved off-post, and as far away as possible.<br>

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 14 at 2014 9:18 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 14 Apr 2014 21:18:00 -0400

The second I leave the door, the PC is on. Then when I get into the car, the PC is usually off.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 16 at 2014 1:53 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 16 Apr 2014 13:53:23 -0400

CSM Hopkins, I do not wear mine but that is because I park in my garage. I leave it in my truck and head in. I do feel though that with the new changes to our regulation there will be individuals that are out to get someone else doing something wrong. My point is the Courtesy Patrols at installations now; do we have Leaders (not just NCO's) that can not make an on the spot correction? A quick thing, that I have seen done over my 10 years in the Army. However, I would like to ask about your profile picture on here, as mine is the same,......no headgear and outdoors. Are there not times that we are able to "bend" the rules a little. I was in Afghanistan at a PSS (Police Substation) and just got back from patrol after a memorial for one of my Soldiers that was KIA a few days prior. I was outside talking with my Soldiers in my Squad and we all removed our headgear. I feel I was able to do this out of respect for my fallen comrade.

Response by SSG Robert Burns made Apr 17 at 2014 9:11 PM

SSG Robert Burns — Thu, 17 Apr 2014 21:11:11 -0400

Am I the only one that can't help but notice that is CSM Hopkins profile picture he is standing outside with no headgear on? (I know this is likely a no/hat no salute area but still it's hilarious)

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 19 at 2014 11:15 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 19 Apr 2014 23:15:15 -0400

My house is a POSTED no hat/ no salute area. I leave my cover in the car when I exit to go in the house.

Response by PO1 William "Chip" Nagel made May 7 at 2014 11:26 PM

PO1 William "Chip" Nagel — Wed, 07 May 2014 23:26:33 -0400

No way in Hell would I wear my Dixie Cup with anything other than my dress uniform, Now most of the time we wore Dungarees with Ballcaps and they were OK to wear with civilian wear and I wear my Unit Ball Caps all the time now. As a member of the Security Alert Team I had to wear a Kevlar Helmet and I hated it so no worries there.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 3 at 2014 8:54 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 03 Aug 2014 08:54:48 -0400

I always bent the pins before sewing the flash on. Nearly impossible to lose it then. Most sew shops at Bragg will even do it with you asking if you get a new flash and crest at the same time. As for the question of the headgear from the car to the house and conversely the house to the car, I leave mine in the car. Is that the right answer? No. Is it the convenient thing to do? Yes. Speaking on some of the other topics brought up in this thread, yes, there are many more important things to consider. I wonder would this thread have gotten so many logical responses had a SPC or PFC posed the question or would they have been blasted out of the water by people wearing the same rank as those that are posting logical comments.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 14 at 2014 12:09 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 14 Nov 2014 12:09:31 -0500

I will be honest, there are many times when I arrive home after a battle assembly weekend (2.5 hours by the way), when I grab my gear in both hands and go inside. If I think about my PC before I get out of the car, then I throw it on, but just as often I will take in a load uncovered, return to the car and then put my cap on.

If I have the cap in my hand, force of habit puts it on my head before I go outside. I will say that I am much more careful of making sure that I am correct before going into a gas stop on the way back or fast food. I have corrected other soldiers that I have seen pumping gas, for instance without a cover on.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 24 at 2014 8:15 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 24 Nov 2014 08:15:40 -0500

There's a time and place for everything. When you're at home, I would hope that even the most professional service member would be focused on his child peaking out the window in excitement that mom or dad is home- instead of reaching for headgear and looking in the mirror at themselves to make sure it's IAW AR 670-1. This is the difference between the "spirit" of regulations and the "letter" of it. Everything is not "black & white", there are gray areas. Yes, the regulation applies "everywhere" but should we actually enforce it with someone while they are standing at their own front door? I would hope not :)

Response by Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 24 at 2014 7:56 AM

Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 24 Dec 2014 07:56:58 -0500

Nope.

Response by SGT Michael Glenn made Jan 11 at 2015 1:32 PM

SGT Michael Glenn — Sun, 11 Jan 2015 13:32:54 -0500

I always wore my uniform properly because I respected what I did and where I was, I saw too many who didnt and always had hands in pockets, boots unlaced,BDU bottoms not properly bloused head gear worn incorrectly and the list goes on. I felt and feel that if you can take that check every month you damn well should be able to adhere to what was required of you.

Response by Cpl Cary Cartter made Jan 14 at 2015 12:25 PM

Cpl Cary Cartter — Wed, 14 Jan 2015 12:25:52 -0500

When I was active duty, to be caught outside uncovered while in uniform was a Cardinal Sin, punishable by doing PT until the offended party was tired.

Now that I'm a civilian, I don't worry about it too much.

Response by CW4 Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 23 at 2015 9:05 PM

CW4 Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 23 Aug 2015 21:05:40 -0400

CSM David Hopkins, although I know its wrong, I've still done this at my house on more than one occasion. I've also taken my ACU top off while driving home too, especially when its super hot and my top is soaking wet from sweat. I know its wrong, but I'm just being honest.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made May 11 at 2016 5:54 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 11 May 2016 17:54:33 -0400

I'm a 1st SG and I do wear the head gear at home in the car as long as I'm in uniform I'm in the complete uniform as stated in the regulations 670-1

Response by MAJ Byron Oyler made Jul 18 at 2016 8:54 PM

MAJ Byron Oyler — Mon, 18 Jul 2016 20:54:44 -0400

If going directly inside, it stays in my vehicle. If I am doing something extended outside before or after work, it gets worn. I know this is the wrong answer, but if I am outside long enough for people to see me, I wear it. Straight to my car, probably not.

Response by SGT Jerrold Pesz made Jul 18 at 2016 9:43 PM

SGT Jerrold Pesz — Mon, 18 Jul 2016 21:43:36 -0400

Yes.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 19 at 2018 10:46 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 19 Jan 2018 22:46:59 -0500

I always wear from car to inside house. However, the primary reason is that it is part of my routine. I set PC on kitchen counter then keys, wallet, and CAC reader from pockets inside of the PC, so I know where it all is in the AM.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 18 at 2018 3:15 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 18 Sep 2018 15:15:04 -0400

do you have to wear your headgear when under a hard structure?

Response by SPC Elijah J. Henry, MBA made Nov 5 at 2018 4:14 PM

SPC Elijah J. Henry, MBA — Mon, 05 Nov 2018 16:14:35 -0500

I've wondered about this. I see the same all the time. I habitually wear headgear even to walk between my car and my apartment. The exception might be if I had been at a range where we all doffed the headgear and never put it back on afterward.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 22 at 2020 3:31 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 22 Jul 2020 15:31:43 -0400

The fact that a grown man feels like he needs to correct other grown men for not wearing a hat--that it would get on one's nerves; that one would feel the need to impart knowledge to them--is mind boggling to me. If someone here can tell me why we MUST wear hats, I'm legitimately super interested. Because tradition (what tradition and why? where did that come from?); because looks (totally subjective); because the regs and my NCO said (unthinking nonsense); because protection (from what and totally situational). I want a functional, beneficial, tactically advantageous reason. Why is wearing a hat THAT important? So important that grown men would feel the need to approach other grown men that they don't know and correct them. The best I can come up with is it's there for psychological reasons. And, by that, I mean conformity/control. I think it is because beating that kind of unthinking compliance into us makes us more likely to obey orders, and there is purpose/usefulness in that. But, otherwise, I'm at a loss. To a civilian, an adult getting mad at another adult for not wearing a hat must look like absolute madness. Cult-like behavior.