Do you think the Obama Admin made the right decision in cutting back on smog even though it's costing billions in losses for businesses?

2015-10-02T01:45:52-04:00

http://www.oann.com/u-s-national-smog-limits-to-be-released-thursday-sources/

U.S. to curb smog but stops short of toughest limits

By Patrick Rucker

Response by SN Greg Wright made Oct 2 at 2015 1:55 AM

2015-10-02T01:55:23-04:00

Sgt Kelli Mays There's a larger question that contains the one you've asked here: can the entire world come together to effect real pollution changes. WILL they. And the answer is, simply, no. China won't, India won't, Russia won't. Hell. The US probably won't. It would take a truly global effort to effect the kinds of changes that are needed, and humans are monkeys. Selfish bipeds who will ALWAYS look out for #1 first. Whether they're counting that as themselves, their family, their country, their God...whatever. It's not in human nature to give up something you WANT for something someone else NEEDS.

And so? This gesture was worthless, in the long run.

Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 2 at 2015 7:35 AM

2015-10-02T07:35:48-04:00

Errr ... don't the air here is 100% better than the air in China said something too? the point is we are pretty good at environmental protection already ... stop asking us to be better, the rest of the world need to do better.

Response by Cpl Chris Rice made Oct 2 at 2015 8:35 AM

2015-10-02T08:35:21-04:00

It’s easily the common theme among the Republican candidates, and a lot of the respondents on this thread actually that it is unimportant for the United States do anything because China isn’t going to do anything so it is pointless. The problem is that China is doing something, some are crediting Pres. Obama for pressuring the Chinese into the deal, but however you want to frame it the Chinese are adopting cap and trade on carbon emissions.

Actually if you look into it cap and trade was developed by the United States in 1990 to reduce sulfur dioxide emissions which directly contributed to acid rain, is actually resolved the issue of acid rain in the United States, and has been adopted by countries around the world as a way of combating this problem. Sometimes when the United States leads other nations follow, but I guess that is a role that China may now be taking up.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2015/09/28/with-cap-and-trade-plan-china-adopts-emissions-policy-that-couldnt-get-through-u-s-congress/

With cap and trade plan, China adopts emissions policy that couldn’t get through U.S. Congress

Response by LTC Stephen F. made Oct 2 at 2015 8:45 AM

2015-10-02T08:45:03-04:00

I think his administration is dreaming or smoking something if they really believe that their actions will result on significant fog reduction Sgt Kelli Mays.
The administration's actions will cost taxpayers indirectly, increase costs of production, reduce profits and probably cost jobs which will exported to more business friendly nations.
Obama is a lame duck President who is honestly trying to push through as much of his liberal/progressive agenda as possible before he fades into history via the speaking circuit :-)

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Oct 2 at 2015 8:50 AM

2015-10-02T08:50:14-04:00

Well, which is more important, corporate profit or breathable air?

Response by Cpl Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 2 at 2015 9:46 AM

2015-10-02T09:46:36-04:00

Sgt Kelli Mays The goal is deindustrialization, resource and population control. Conspiracy theory? No! BO's science czar called for a planetary regime to enforce totalitarian population control measures. In the 1977 book, ECOSCIENCE, John Holdren, advocated forced abortions, mass sterilization through food and water supply and mandatory bodily implants to prevent pregnancies. You don't hire people to do a job if you don't share their values.

Words, just words...
"abortion" appears 339 times
"population control" appears 119 times
"sterilization" appears 57 times

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 2 at 2015 10:50 AM

2015-10-02T10:50:03-04:00

No. The federal government has no authority to limit smog.

Response by CPT Jack Durish made Oct 2 at 2015 11:26 AM

2015-10-02T11:26:38-04:00

Smog? Smog's an issue? Well, that's one way to build a legacy: Solve problems that are largely solved. Oh, that's right. It's not a problem in the US, at least not the one it once was. However it is growing elsewhere in the world as developing nations repeat the mistakes we made a century ago as we industrialized. Sad that they couldn't learn from our mistakes. Is that the President's agenda? He can't solve our problems so he'll solve theirs? Maybe he should start with Islamist terrorism. Oh right. He refuses to acknowledge that one. Okay. Maybe smog is more his speed...

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 2 at 2015 11:34 AM

2015-10-02T11:34:19-04:00

Yes. This is supposed to be "America the Beautiful" not "America the coouuughcoughcough *hack*"

Seriously, corporate profits and diversified portfolios and investor returns are for nothing if the quality of life here is crap. And who cares if China, Russia, or India aren't doing anything about it (although, actually, China *is* trying to clean up). We're supposed to be better than them anyway, aren't we? Clean energy and clean air so our kids grow up with good health and clear lungs.

Response by Cpl James Waycasie made Oct 2 at 2015 1:32 PM

2015-10-02T13:32:40-04:00

Most places have been converting and "going green" for many years now. I think accidental spills and contamination of waters is a more serious issue than the air.