SSG Philip Cotton 29807 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>We all know those service members who have a &quot;Medical Condition&quot; as soon as the PT test nears. At what point do you think a Service Member should be discharged for not being able to do the job. Ie. No run, No push-up, no sit-up , dead man profiles. 2013-12-31T00:05:07-05:00 SSG Philip Cotton 29807

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>We all know those service members who have a &quot;Medical Condition&quot; as soon as the PT test nears. At what point do you think a Service Member should be discharged for not being able to do the job. Ie. No run, No push-up, no sit-up , dead man profiles.

2013-12-31T00:05:07-05:00 2013-12-31T00:05:07-05:00 SFC(P) Private RallyPoint Member 29815

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>If you have a soldier that suddenly has a profile right before the Physical Fitness test and you and his or her first line supervisor sees that there Is nothing wrong then write them that's easy. You have the power to clean up after three negative counseling for the same event there is not reason a article 15 can't be push thru.

2013-12-31T00:14:52-05:00 2013-12-31T00:14:52-05:00 Cpl Ray Fernandez 29820

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Like the SSG said, if someone is faking an illness or injury, the UCMJ has an article for that.<br><br>Article 115 of the UCMJ states:<br><br><p>Any<br /> person subject to this chapter who for the purpose of avoiding work,<br /> duty, or service-- (1) feigns illness, physical disablement, mental lapse or derangement;<br /> or (2) intentionally inflects self-injury; shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.<br></p><p><br>Maybe just maybe if this was used more often it would reduce the number of people who try to get by without meeting the standards.<br></p><br>

2013-12-31T00:18:15-05:00 2013-12-31T00:18:15-05:00 CPT Private RallyPoint Member 29831

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Remember, there is the MEB to determine fitness. <div><br></div><div>Some do have legitimate reasons, often based on their own service. </div><div><br></div><div>However, we all can think of the Sick Call Ranger who has ridden every excuse to avoid PT and the APFT. They should be held accountable as best possible. While they may be able to find "legitimacy" for each excuse the prevelant trend will show you what is going on. Some may need to have a more thorough medical evaluation and treatment completed (such as may be neccessary for someone fighting through certain back injuries), but some may need a MEB to find their true condition and the appropriateness of their service. </div><div><br></div><div>I know this is a bit of a textbook answer, but look at it this way: I am someone who was on a P2 profile for L. I got the walk for an alternate event. As it turns out, my ankle injury aggravated my back. Someone somewhere messed up the admin side and my P2 disappeared. So, I ran my 2 mile for 2.5 years. Never failing, but never scoring as well as I should. Now, I have a degenerative condition to the point that I have created other injuries. Fortunately, I have a good APFT and will heal. I must have surgery to repair something that may or may not be related. However, I owe a bit of my luck with this to the fact that I am of above average fitness. Someone of average military fitness may have run into other issues, such as PT failure or profiles. Some conditions go undiagnosed until something else major happens. </div><div><br></div><div>Give a Soldier some credit. If they have documentation, maintain copies, but give creedance to the medical opinion. Hopefully the issue will be resolved, but some need MEB's to push them out the door. It's a convuluted and complex thing to deal with. Most of us are not medical professionals, we can not diagnose and we must follow a medical professionals advice. Once we question the ability of a Soldier to perform their basic duties, we can push it up to a MEB and wait for the results. </div>

2013-12-31T00:30:49-05:00 2013-12-31T00:30:49-05:00 SSG Robert Burns 29834

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>The thing is, Soldiers don&#39;t write themselves profiles, medical professionals do. &amp;nbsp;By saying you should crack down on profiles you are saying that you should crack down on the incompetence of medical professionals diagnostic capabilities. &amp;nbsp;That&#39;s not going to happen.&lt;div&gt;What you can focus on is motivating your troops so that they aren&#39;t so intimidated by the APFT, and do as much as you can in training to prevent injuries.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;If you think Soldiers are gaming the system come APFT time, well there&#39;s nothing like a surprise APFT.&lt;/div&gt;

2013-12-31T00:32:50-05:00 2013-12-31T00:32:50-05:00 CW2 Private RallyPoint Member 29857

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div><p class="MsoNormal">I think a big part of the<br />issue is that many units are not properly addressing Soldiers on profile. What<br />happens every "run day"? Those on profile walk in a circle as slow as<br />possible and gain nothing from it. Soldiers on profile should be actively rehabilitating<br />their injury to the maximum extent. The unit MFT should be communicating<br />with the unit primary care provider and unit commander on what exercises the<br />Soldier should be able to perform with their current injury. </p>

2013-12-31T01:14:49-05:00 2013-12-31T01:14:49-05:00 SFC Private RallyPoint Member 29883

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div><p>Sudden profiles have to be concurred with by the CDR too (check the temp slick call slip form DD689) it's basic communication where the doc suggest the pt be QTRS or profiled for less than 30 days.    DA 3349 (more than 30 days/perm profile form -I hope I got the # correct) is normally given after surgeries, continued rehab, history of a known problem.  </p><p> </p><p>Most KNOW when some profiles are a sham, but as a previous OIC Doc at one of our clinics once said "malingering is a serious implication."  It requires a LOT of paperwork, not just from the Doctor but also the units.  So as much as we say crack down on profiles-WHO'S gonna be the actual people to put then pen to paper and get it done??  And too, if you have someone steadily on profile, then at some point shouldn't someone be looking at possible MED Board for the Soldier??  That would be my ultimate question-if they're holding a slot, and not being utilized why is the CMD just holding them there instead of perhaps trying to push them over to a WTB/WTU??</p><p>  </p>

2013-12-31T02:04:54-05:00 2013-12-31T02:04:54-05:00 SGM Private RallyPoint Member 29964

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div><p>As leaders we all either know or would like to think we know our Soldiers well. There is nothing stopping leaders from keeping a note in your leaders book that tracks Soldiers profiles (Don't put any specifics just dates HIPAA). This accomplishes two things:</p><p> </p><p>1) You can track the profiles to help your Soldier identify what could be a systemic issue they may be trying to ignore. (i.e. Soldier has profile for knee pain, when the Soldier comes off of profile he/she is still showing signs of pain or discomfort but trying to suck it up.) Remember, There is a fine line between hardcore and stupid and we are that line.</p><p>2) You can track when the profiles are happening. This allows you to identify those Soldiers that may be getting a profile right around APFT time or during other events to get out of it. </p><p> </p><p>This issue is one that "we" will deal with forever.  As we are not medical professionals and do not have the proper training we cannot and should not ask that Soldier to violate said profile. </p>

2013-12-31T07:58:28-05:00 2013-12-31T07:58:28-05:00 SGM Matthew Quick 29995

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>In many cases, Soldiers begin their 'training programs' a few weeks prior to the APFT and 'overdue it' causing injuries.<br><br>Physical fitness should be a daily ritual and apart of your life...not just something to do a few weeks before an evaluation.

2013-12-31T09:34:40-05:00 2013-12-31T09:34:40-05:00 LTC Private RallyPoint Member 30018

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>The Army has one standard.  There are however many regulations regarding profiles.  At every twist and turn a Soldier is able to use medical channels, legal channels, command channels and human resoures channels to continue to dodge the APFT.  However all of those efforts seem to take alot more time and effort then actually getting back to the business of excercise.  As Soldiers we get paid to do it and the spirt of the Soldier is to be physically tough and mentally fit.  Focus on the positive and emulate those doing the right thing.  Challenge yourself without breaking yourself and you will go far.

2013-12-31T10:06:56-05:00 2013-12-31T10:06:56-05:00 SFC Stephen P. 30083

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I see too many soldiers with legitimate medical conditions who cannot obtain official profiles do to a lack of available resources.<br><br>Should a soldier really be flagged because his unit fails to forward the paperwork? Should he be penalized because he can't afford to see his physician or drive 4 hours to the nearest MTF?<br>

2013-12-31T11:49:56-05:00 2013-12-31T11:49:56-05:00 1SG Michael Minton 30138

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>if the doctors give it to them, you have to assume it is legit, even though we all know you can tell the doc a bunch of symptoms or pain and he will give you a temp profile. but it all runs out eventually, sooner or later they have to take the test. as a 1SG i would call the doc sometimes to just let him know i think they are BSing and to check them out......but besides that, the army has alternative events for APFT, and if it becomes permanent profile, they will be medically boarded in which 9 out of 10 get discharged. And a permanent profile is not necessarily instant discharge, it depends a lot on your MOS and ability to perform your responsibilities. just because someone is a PT studd dont mean he is as good at his job as that broken soldier. you treat everyone fairly and thee system will catch them eventually if they are BSing and sometimes even if your not. if your a young soldier with a permanent profile, you might as well get out because you have too many years left without getting boarded.

2013-12-31T13:27:42-05:00 2013-12-31T13:27:42-05:00 1SG Michael Minton 30166

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>A lot of soldiers will do what you let them get bye with when it comes to PT. Those in shape will always be there unless they are truely sick or hurt. those out of shape, lazy etc will try to use sickcall to get out of PT, happens every day.  get out of pt, sit around sickcall and get out of work for a few hours.......i was sent to take over a  disfunctional unit (not just PT) and on first day at PT formation, there was over 60 soldiers fallout for sickcall. I put a new pt policy into affect and within 30 days, you couldnt get anyone to go to sickcall unless they were really hurt. there is more parts to the program, but as for as sickcalls, if you didnt do pt in the morning, you did it at 4:00 in the hot hot afternoon. not for punishment of going to sickcall, but to ensure unless you came back with a "NO PT" profile, you got your pt in for the day! and it was during duty hours at the end of the day so it was not punishment of keeping them after the duty day. My re-up NCO was a 300 pt stud and ran the afternoon program, which i also included my pt failures, over weights along with sickcalls. in 30 days there were maybe 1 or 2 sickcalls aday, in 6 months the unit went from double digit pt faulures to 100% passing, over weights dropped to Zero and no one fell out of weekly unit runs. we had PT 5 days aweek, company warmup and exercises then ability group runs with a minimum of 45 minutes running or minimum 5 miles, then on fridays company run lead by commander, fall out of it and you were on afternoon pt until the next friday to see if you finished with the company. theres always away to correct problems with alittle thinking and alot of enforcement!

2013-12-31T14:18:47-05:00 2013-12-31T14:18:47-05:00 SSG Private RallyPoint Member 30204

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>My opinion, yes, the Army needs to crack down on the profiles, unfortunately there are Soldiers and NCOs out there in our ranks who abuse the system and shop around with providers.&amp;nbsp; This means that if they don&#39;t receive a profile from their current &quot;dealer&quot; they go look for another one to give them what they want.&amp;nbsp; Most providers now in clinics are civilians who have never been in the military and who just give them what they want and pretty much ask the Soldier what they want put on the profile to meet the Soldiers&#39; needs and wants.&amp;nbsp; I work in the Surgeon cell of my unit and we conduct bi-weekly meetings to review profiles over 30 days in duration and also those who have been on profile.&amp;nbsp; Commanders and 1SG attend these meetings and we go over their issues and concerns.&amp;nbsp; Our surgeon then provides them guidance as to what route they want to take with the individual.&amp;nbsp; From there, if they are put on a trial of duty/fit for duty, this will determine whether the Soldier can do the minimum required for his or her MOS based on AR 40-501 and basic Soldier skills.&amp;nbsp; If not, then the Surgeon must make a recommendation to the BDE commander on what route he must take.&amp;nbsp; A long an arduous process, but it weeds out the malingering Soldiers from those who are truly hurt.

2013-12-31T15:43:36-05:00 2013-12-31T15:43:36-05:00 SPC Christopher Nutter 30233

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Being a medic, this is a problem but in the opposite way. We have guys that don't want to go to sick call because of the negative stigma associated to it and the "just tough thru it" attitude. When it is something small that could be taken care of relatively easily or could as simple as a seven day profile to allow to recover. Instead, we have individuals who try to gut thru it and end up with a serious injury which results in a long term profile, or a permanent profile. Discouraging soldiers to get checked out is a major issue the military faces. As a medic, it is our job to look over a soldier and see if it could be something major or if it is merely a minor injury. If necessitated, getting the PA, involved to check them out for further evaluation (after building a certain level of trust with the PA in your ability to diagnose and understand the different tests for different injuries). When it gets near PT test times, individuals that are seeking treatment it is on the medics and PA to, test, diagnose and treat. There are many alternatives to the running events but to discourage a soldier to not go on profile or get treated for an injury is wrong.

2013-12-31T16:31:20-05:00 2013-12-31T16:31:20-05:00 1SG Charmaine R. 30446

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div><div>I believe less focus should be placed on the actual profiles verses the root causes of the profiles.  So many leaders place such a high demand on physical fitness they push a absurd and often times ridiculous never quit mentality.  I seen leaders and subordinates negate their bodies for the sake of not appearing weak or broken.  Professionally, a greater emphasis should be placed on establishing physical fitness programs that increase agility, stamina, and strength.  If a Soldier receives a profile, work with them within the limits of their profiles to assist them with their medical rehabilitation.  <br><br>I also encourage leaders to better understand our PDES.  Commanders who believe their Soldiers are simply riding the system, recommend the Soldier for a Fit for Duty.  <br><br>NOTE:  The Physical Disability Evaluation System or a Fit for Duty determines a Soldiers ability to continue on active duty.  The Medical Evaluation Board is a process designed to determine whether a Soldier's long-term medical condition enables him/her to continue to meet medical retention standards, in accordance with Army doctrine. </div><div><br></div><div>If the MEB finds the Soldier unfit to return to duty in his/her Military Occupational Specialty (MOS), the Soldier will be referred to a Physical Evaluation Board (PEB). </div><div><br></div><div>There is also the MAR2 within the PDES.  MOS Administrative Retention Review (MAR2) is for wounded, ill or injured Soldiers who meet retention standards but cannot fulfill the requirements of their current job or Military Occupation Specialty (MOS).  </div>

2014-01-01T00:34:32-05:00 2014-01-01T00:34:32-05:00 SGT Darla Jarvie 31996

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I think that some of this could be remedied by going back to regular unit PT, and if a soldier has a profile there is some type of exercise that can be done even with a dead mans. I know this from personal experience. While stationed in Germany I fractured my back I was placed in a brace and given a dead mans profile well, my new NCOIC was an ranger and believe me he came up with inventive exercises that did not violate my profile. This was his approach to PT and union cohesion and it worked. SFC Brody made such an impression that I found myself looking forward to unit training.

2014-01-03T16:15:09-05:00 2014-01-03T16:15:09-05:00 SGT Darla Jarvie 31997

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I think that some of this could be remedied by going back to regular unit PT, and if a soldier has a profile there is some type of exercise that can be done even with a dead mans. I know this from personal experience. While stationed in Germany I fractured my back I was placed in a brace and given a dead mans profile well, my new NCOIC was an ranger and believe me he came up with inventive exercises that did not violate my profile. This was his approach to PT and union cohesion and it worked. SFC Brody made such an impression that I found myself looking forward to unit training.

2014-01-03T16:15:15-05:00 2014-01-03T16:15:15-05:00 SFC Della McCauley (Bukoski) 38076

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I think that the military should go back to the PT the way it used to be done and if a person has a recurring profile then try and see what the problem is and adjust their PT to that.<div><br></div>

2014-01-15T00:11:19-05:00 2014-01-15T00:11:19-05:00 SSG Private RallyPoint Member 71944

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Profiles eliminate you from being promotable status...let the shammers sham and let the force lead.

2014-03-08T10:02:08-05:00 2014-03-08T10:02:08-05:00 CSM Private RallyPoint Member 71953

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>If you think someone is abusing the Medical System to avoid taking an APFT; bar them from re-enlistment for failing to maintain a current score and keep them barred until they achieve a passing score. Still riding a profile after 90/180 days; get the doc to start an MEB. If the injury is legit, MEB them and let the WTU determine the proper status of this injured Soldier. If a shamtastic Soldier who is feigning injury is facing elimination after 90/180 days, they will most likely get their stuff strait.

2014-03-08T10:22:36-05:00 2014-03-08T10:22:36-05:00 SSG Private RallyPoint Member 72274

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>&lt;p&gt;Some people already covered it, but this topic leans dangerously towards creating a negative stigma for taking care of yourself.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Do people play the system?&amp;nbsp; Yes.&amp;nbsp; We as leaders must be observant though, give them their recovery time, find out if they&#39;re violating their profile during off duty hours, and if they continually get temp profiles push the Doc for a permenant profile if this soldiers pain is so chronic.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Use the system to the leaders advantage, most regulations and systems the Army has implemented are worded/explained in vague terms so that leadership has wiggle room to take care of problems that can&#39;t be foreseen by regulation.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;That all being said, never, ever, not even once, discourage a soldier from taking care of themself.&amp;nbsp; I know when I was a private it had one hell of a stigma around it, and because I never wanted to look weak I put off my shoulder injury, my back problems, and even my mTBI and PTSD for years.&amp;nbsp; Looking back, I feel stupid...I knew better in my gut.&amp;nbsp; I had a PSG that said &quot;Take care of yourself because the Army is an unforgiving machine.&amp;nbsp; It will take everything it can from you physically and then send you on your way.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

2014-03-09T04:47:43-04:00 2014-03-09T04:47:43-04:00 SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL 72277

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I think the chain of command should get involve and follow through on the health and welfare of the Soldier to ensure he/she is squared away. If it's a trend the Soldier needs to be counseled and the leader need to take action. In simplicity, just follow the NCO creed and do what's right. If it becomes unjust, malingering UCMJ might be a corrective action/course to pursue or a med board if warrant.

2014-03-09T05:30:40-04:00 2014-03-09T05:30:40-04:00 SFC Gary (Bigsarge) Portier USARMY RET. 72314

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>&lt;p&gt;That&#39;s for MEB/PEB to decided.&amp;nbsp;Have the profile looked at by MEB then on from there. Soldiers who have&amp;nbsp;profile&#39;s got them because of there Dr. after submitting a 507 to&amp;nbsp;the&amp;nbsp;surgeons Office Who writes the Profile and decide&amp;nbsp;to send it to MEB&amp;nbsp;or not. &amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Just because someone not involved thinks someone is faking doesn&#39;t make it true. &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

2014-03-09T08:53:59-04:00 2014-03-09T08:53:59-04:00 SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member 73693

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div><p>Most definitely yes.  </p><p> </p><p>CPL Hornsby described the problem that many don't want to face-- that doctors/PAs will ask the Soldier what they want their profile to say.  This gives the malingering Soldier just the opportunity s/he is looking for.  I have had a doctor ask me this question, and even asked me what pain meds I wanted.  I declined both a profile and meds because the issue was temporary.</p><p> </p><p>In my current unit, I have never seen so many profiles in my previous units combined.  Just the other day I saw a sick call slip that said, "Sore throat, 24 hours bed rest."  WTF?  Quarters for a sore throat?  Take a throat lozenge and drive on!</p><p> </p><p>Conversely, I have been diagnosed with osteoarthritis of the knees.  My permanent profile simply sates, "chronic right knee pain."  Nothing like dumbing it down.</p><p> </p><p>The system may not be broken, but it sure could use a tune-up! </p>

2014-03-11T12:10:33-04:00 2014-03-11T12:10:33-04:00 MSgt Private RallyPoint Member 73696

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div><p>This is a very loaded question.  In my opinion it is not the military as a whole's issue.  As far as the AF is concerned it is a fail on the part of the MTFs and their unwillingness to accurately assess patients and not having enough time to implement a plan of action.</p><br /><p> </p><br /><p>Its just easier for them to write a profile and keep it moving.</p>

2014-03-11T12:14:21-04:00 2014-03-11T12:14:21-04:00 Maj Chris Nelson 73705

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>The profile is an important tool in the medical community.  I feel that with an appropriate evaluation, the medical provider is best able to determine if it is right or wrong to issue a profile.  I do not know about ALL providers, but many of mine, prior to issuing a profile will look into the system and see what profiles have been given in the past, what PT Tests have been taken (Pass/Fail AND also which ones have had profiles attached to them).  If the member has had 2 PT tests with profiles, and we have only seen the member just prior to his next test, he/she may NOT be given a profile.  If they have taken all PT Tests without profiles and passed, they will be taken as more legitimate in evaluation.  If the SUPERVISOR feels that there is question, take it to the commander/1SG.  Within reason, they can sit down with medical providers to discuss a troop (they may not get ALL the details, but they can discuss current concerns). 

2014-03-11T12:25:57-04:00 2014-03-11T12:25:57-04:00 SFC John Brooks 105430

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>This seems to be a pretty heated debate, as it should be. There&#39;s plenty wrong with the overall situation and plenty of blame to go around- malingering Soldiers, PAs that hand out profile after profile, NCOs who don&#39;t get as involved as they should or who push too hard, etc. There seem to be a lot of blanket statements to those effects, but we all know that there are Soldiers with legitimate issues, PAs who know their job and the regulations and perform superbly, and NCOs who look out for the interest of their Soldiers at all times.<br /><br />If it&#39;s coming down to forcing a &quot;paper trail&quot; to initiate an Article 15, that sounds an awful lot to me like an NCO not being a leader. Granted, there are going to be Soldiers out there that are going to walk right into it regardless of what leadership and counseling style you implements, got it. But if you are just waiting for the next time so you can write them up and initiate UCMJ rather than being a mentor, you need to check yourself.<br /><br />If you&#39;ve got a Soldier who is constantly on a string of profiles, ask the questions that need to be asked. Talk to your subordinate, learn what the issue is. Talk to the docs, find out what their plan is. Stringing out temporary profiles means you&#39;ve got malingering, a systemic or chronic condition, an accident-prone Soldier, or the docs don&#39;t know what is wrong. Keep on the Soldier to take matters into his or her own hands. If the doc can&#39;t figure it out, go the extra mile and find another or get tested for other possibilities. If they are stumped and chaining a Soldier on temporary profiles, point out that they can only do that for so long before they need to make it permanent while they continue to work out the diagnosis. I think a lot of docs, and probably rightly so, don&#39;t want to dismiss a patients issues as made-up. That would add a whole new stigma to sick call. They are in a position of trying to find solutions for problems, not determining if the problem is made up or not. <br /><br />NCOs, know your Soldiers, and if you don&#39;t understand a problem, be ready to become a subject matter expert on it real fast.

2014-04-18T15:31:32-04:00 2014-04-18T15:31:32-04:00 SGT William Brooks 106057

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I was a prime example of the system failing. I reported to sick call approximately 11 times over a period of three years and was given ibuprofen and a 2 week no push, pull, or lift profile for a shoulder issue. The original injury left me with a swollen bruised almost useless arm. I was given a 2 week profile then. If any doctor or pa I spoke to over that period of 3 years had ordered a simple diagnostic such as an MRI, it would have saved a lot of Hassel not to mention a shoulder reconstruction. <div><br></div><div>The profile was not why I went to sick call. I wanted answers. I wanted to know what was wrong and how to fix it. Instead, I recieved half - hearted care at best and the short temporary profiles made sure that I was able to stay cleared to deploy. I was told "they'll take care of it when you get there." Needless to say, that was a lie. The medical facilities in Afghanistan and northern Iraq were not equipped to diagnose or treat my problem. I understand that there are soldiers that lie and malinger and try to stay on profiles but wouldn't a couple of quick diagnostics also prove the lie? Wouldn't that assist in your Article 15 more than a 3 year paper trail of profiles? </div>

2014-04-19T14:48:22-04:00 2014-04-19T14:48:22-04:00 SSG Private RallyPoint Member 113537

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Its been long overdue. I knew once I saw profiles that said a soldier was required 12 hours sleep, I knew it went entirely overblown. It starts with the so called medical professionals that write these profiles. If the Army could find a way to phase them out or make to where on green suitors evaluate the soldier then there can be a beginning of a better way to crack down on profiles. Hopefully the Army can come up with something soon now that the drawdown is approaching

2014-04-28T12:33:02-04:00 2014-04-28T12:33:02-04:00 MSG Martinis Butler 138750

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>That's a slippery slope I think the military should crack down on the profiles but how will they determine whose faking or whose genuinely hurt. Im not a doctor so I really don't want to start making accusation. I tell people all the time be careful how you judge others because you never know when you may injure yourself you'll never know who's looking at you calling you a profile abuser.

2014-05-30T09:17:53-04:00 2014-05-30T09:17:53-04:00 Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member 486276

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I think that I want medical professionals making those decisions, not people in the service member's chain of command.

2015-02-19T17:56:12-05:00 2015-02-19T17:56:12-05:00 SPC John Reed 486352

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Sgt, I faced the stigma of being a "broken soldier". I was ridiculed every day as a Specialist by E1-E3s who were sicked on my by their leaders. I was publicly ridiculed for having been injured by someone else's clumsiness. Before I was injured I was promised early promotion to E4, my PT scores were respectable, I had never been written up for anything and my range scores were in the top 10 in my unit. The day I was told I needed surgery to fix my shoulder I was transferred from an infantry squad to S1 to push papers. The PAC personnel told me every day that I was "just a dumb grunt" and the infantry told me every day that I was a "Broke Dick". I had to wait for the mandatory promotion time to see E4 and even then the 1SG called me to his office, threw the paper on the floor and told me I wasn't worth promoting but that he had to and that I was a disgrace to real soldiers. So through all this I never received a permanent profile, I never went in front of a board, I was punished everyday of the rest of my term until I etsed out. So yes, do the truly injured soldiers a favor, help them out and help them see a discharge. Just don't forget that they are humans also.

2015-02-19T18:49:52-05:00 2015-02-19T18:49:52-05:00 SPC Tiffany Rogers 2325032

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>As a person who has been stuck on profile for over 2 years on and off (they kept not putting it in the system or i wasn&#39;t in enough pain to be injured)due to torn bicep, rotator cuff and labrum and just got surgery after a lot of fighting, failed physical therapy, bracing, taping, refusal of mri, cancellation of appointments, fighting patient advocate because my medical facility runs off no standards or standards below VA clinics... the system needs to be fixed. I AM A BURDEN AND SERVE NO VALUE, yet I CANNOT get out. I&#39;ve been trying to have them med board me so they could get someone who needs to stay in more of a chance, I have college and good paying jobs to fall back on. I have been trying for over a year, and I may be extended almost a year past my contract as it sits now. <br /><br />I have been told I wasn&#39;t in enough pain to have broken bones... well, after running on a fracture tibia for 7 months, I have nothing left in my ankle. I slipped my ankle in and out of joint out of boredom for over an hour yesterday. I wasn&#39;t in enough pain to have dislocated my arm until I got it on a table and manually dislocated it again in front of doctors..... maybe, they&#39;re not faking it, but yes, the system NEED to be fixed

2017-02-09T01:48:24-05:00 2017-02-09T01:48:24-05:00 2013-12-31T00:05:07-05:00