Do you believe that the Federal Government has violated the Constitution, and if so, how do you feel we should address these violations.

2014-09-16T18:46:18-04:00

Do you feel our Constitution has been violated? If so, how? What can we do to correct the wrong? Should members of the three branches of government (or at the very least the Executive Branch) be held accountable to the UCMJ since we are still at war with terrorists?

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 16 at 2014 6:47 PM

2014-09-16T18:47:43-04:00

I don't feel that way. What makes you feel that way? I am assuming that you feel that way or you would not have asked the question?!?!?

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Sep 16 at 2014 7:00 PM

2014-09-16T19:00:19-04:00

*TRANSLATION* "I would like to trash talk the President, but would like someone else to make the opening comments so that we may all sling vitriol and I can feel secure in my pre-established opinion"...

Response by MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca made Sep 16 at 2014 7:03 PM

2014-09-16T19:03:14-04:00

I feel the federal government has violated me, does that count?

Response by SFC William Swartz Jr made Sep 16 at 2014 7:03 PM

2014-09-16T19:03:26-04:00

Yeah, would need more "cowbell" from the originator to get a feel for what he is meaning.....

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 16 at 2014 7:45 PM

2014-09-16T19:45:07-04:00

Wow....getting a petition going to start a Constitiionally mandated event! An impeachment no less! Has such a thing been done before?

An interesting proposition - but not likely to succeed today or the near future. The law regarding impeachment is fairly simple (if anything in Congress and the law can be simple). Let me see - I think this type of conversation has been presented before - but anyway...

BTW...a petition is a valid method in start the inquiry for a hearing on impeachment.

The House of Representatives start the process by determining whether the individuals in questions have or have not commited offenses that justify a charge. Once the charge(s) are made then the presentation of this impeachment is moved to the Senate.

In the Senate, the House of Representatives present their case to either the full Senate or a select group. Once a decision of guilty by 2/3's of the Senate is decided then removal is automatic.

What specific laws that have been broken in what manner, in your opinion, merit such action?

Response by COL Randall C. made Sep 16 at 2014 7:47 PM

2014-09-16T19:47:53-04:00

I try to avoid these threads, but I will derail it for a bit. PO1 Steven Kuhn, why do you think that the three branches of government would be accountable to UCMJ? The only active duty military I ever see on the Hill are the MILDEPS, Aides, and those having to testify/provide info. Last I checked, the President, Senators, Congressmen/women, and Justices are not part of the military.

Now, accountable to established Federal Law, I agree.

Response by SSG Pete Fleming made Sep 16 at 2014 7:58 PM

2014-09-16T19:58:39-04:00

Outright violated the Constitution? No. Strayed from what our founding fathers intended? Perhaps. Over stepped their bounds, to the point of encroaching on States rights and getting overly involved in the personal lives of individuals yes.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 16 at 2014 9:49 PM

2014-09-16T21:49:56-04:00

"Executive Orders"

Response by CPT Jack Durish made Sep 17 at 2014 12:58 PM

2014-09-17T12:58:29-04:00

I don't believe that the Federal Government "has violated the Constitution", however, I believe that it has grown far beyond the scope of limited government intended under the terms of the Constitution. It didn't happen overnight. Indeed, it has been growing cancer-like for the past 100 years. To be honest, the first symptoms can be traced back to the Administration of George Washington.

Washington feared that British fur traders were stirring up trouble with the American Indians and set up govt run trading companies to compete with them. Of course, like all govt run businesses, they failed, a waste of money. Astor set up private trading companies and grew wealthy trading furs with the Indians and selling them for a profit (at prices consumers were willing to pay because they felt they were getting a true value). In other words, capitalism beat our crony-capitalism. It does every time.

Need more evidence? Look at Lincoln's transcontinental railroad. Lincoln was a railroad attorney and he proved where his allegiance lay. Crony capitalists garnered fortunes with federal licenses to sell land in exchange for building a subpar railroad. It would be replaced by better railroads built by real capitalists.

There you have it. Our two greatest Presidents fell victim to the impulse to overreach their constitutional mandates and failed each time. How could we expect more from lesser presidents?

How do we fix it? Simply place a copy of the Constitution next to a chart of federal bureaus and bureaucracies and begin checking off the ones that are not directly related to a valid function of government. Then eliminate those. Easy-peasy...

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 4 at 2014 11:38 PM

2014-10-04T23:38:04-04:00

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvAsR4O4W0w

Let me further turn this in the correct direction:

“Do not blame Caesar, blame the people of Rome who have so enthusiastically acclaimed and adored him and rejoiced in their loss of freedom and danced in his path and gave him triumphal processions. … Blame the people who hail him when he speaks in the Forum of the ‘new, wonderful good society’ which shall now be Rome’s, interpreted to mean ‘more money, more ease, more security, more living fatly at the expense of the industrious.'” –Roman statesman Marcus Tullius Cicero (106-43 B.C.)

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