Do you believe that Russia would have benefited more from a Hillary Administration than President Trump's?

CPT Jack Durish — Fri, 19 Apr 2019 13:37:16 -0400

There seems to be the consensus that Russia would benefit more from a Trump presidency. I don't see why anyone would believe this. Russia had a long standing relationship with Hillary during which they profited greatly (and so did she and her husband). They had no political experience with President Trump prior to his election. None whatsoever...

Response by LTC Eugene Chu made Apr 19 at 2019 1:48 PM

LTC Eugene Chu — Fri, 19 Apr 2019 13:48:09 -0400

Despite "no collusion" statement from acting AG Barr, Mueller report did mention that Donald Trump had major business ties to Russia before his presidency. It is important to note that Russian oligarchs who have money usually have political ties with Kremlin for support and security.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chasewithorn/2019/04/18/mueller-outlines-3-business-deals-trump-pursued-in-russia/

Mueller Outlines 3 Business Deals Trump Pursued In Russia

According to the Mueller report, Donald Trump chased three potential business deals in Russia around the time of his campaign.

Response by MCPO Roger Collins made Apr 19 at 2019 1:50 PM

MCPO Roger Collins — Fri, 19 Apr 2019 13:50:22 -0400

Yes

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Apr 19 at 2019 2:08 PM

MAJ Ken Landgren — Fri, 19 Apr 2019 14:08:25 -0400

Trump wanted to open a Trump Towers in Russia. He had wealthy Russians buying Trump properties in the US. Trump is working with the Chinese on a real estate development project in Indonesia.

Response by SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth made Apr 19 at 2019 2:11 PM

SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth — Fri, 19 Apr 2019 14:11:08 -0400

Yes sir.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 19 at 2019 2:11 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 19 Apr 2019 14:11:23 -0400

So let me get this straight...
When the Mueller report states that there is no evidence of collusion between the Trump administration and the Russian government, you claim vindication and you believe it,

But when the Mueller report states that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, you’re calling bullsh*t?

That suspiciously seems like cherry picking.

Response by LTC Stephen C. made Apr 19 at 2019 2:24 PM

LTC Stephen C. — Fri, 19 Apr 2019 14:24:27 -0400

I agree with your assessment, CPT Jack Durish.

Response by CMSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 19 at 2019 2:32 PM

CMSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 19 Apr 2019 14:32:14 -0400

Yes.

Hillary is an ideologue and Trump is a pragmatist. Hillary had a long track record in politics making her much more predictable. Obama was soft on Russia, no reason to believe that Obama's Sec of State (Hillary) would be any different. Trump, on the other hand, was an unknown and therefore less predictable.

Russia cannot be happy that the US economy is booming and is now the world leader in energy production. Don't think that would have happened under a Hillary Administration.

Response by SSgt Gary Andrews made Apr 19 at 2019 2:36 PM

SSgt Gary Andrews — Fri, 19 Apr 2019 14:36:28 -0400

Putin believed it.......

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 19 at 2019 2:57 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 19 Apr 2019 14:57:05 -0400

One of the best threads on RP. Classic liberal mental illness on display. Hopefully these folks can get to the VA for their meds.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 19 at 2019 3:07 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 19 Apr 2019 15:07:30 -0400

they've benefited more from the current division than any one person has been or now, is in charge.

Response by PO3 Donald Murphy made Apr 19 at 2019 6:09 PM

PO3 Donald Murphy — Fri, 19 Apr 2019 18:09:41 -0400

It depends on the definition of "benefit." Hilary as president would have been as Obama. "First black," "whats it like to be in the White House," etc. "First woman president," "whats it like to be the first woman in the oval office," etc. So write off about two years for interviews, tv shows, the Ellen and Oprah extravaganza's, etc. Like Kennedy, the Clinton's would owe her victory to a *LOT* of people who would all need a hand-shaken, a back-patted, a selfie, etc.

Europe is traditionally Democrat-centric (Reagan anomaly notwithstanding) so little need for a world blitz tour by Hils to consolodate Ameri-love and other stuff. Asia likewise, gets as much help from the DNC as it does from the GOP so little change there. Bottom line? What would Putin "need" to "do" that Hilary would have stopped? But by the reverse token, what would he have "feared" that Hilary in office would impact?

Track record wise, young Donald hasn't really done much other than ingratiate himself to Kim and Putin and Europe. So while he may bluster up a storm on the porch, prior to getting onboard the helicopter, no one is shatting their pants when he lands. At least not in Pyongyang or Moscow... Uranium gate - if it existed - was Hilary born. Or adjusted. Or ran. Or whatever. And it apparently did something for Russia that Russia apparently needed/wanted/dreamed-about. Obama likewise, didn't concern himself - much - with leashing Vlad's land-grabs. So a Hilary government would likewise chart the same course.

Response by SFC George Smith made Apr 19 at 2019 8:23 PM

SFC George Smith — Fri, 19 Apr 2019 20:23:12 -0400

HRC Did Not Have an administration... BHO Did and HRC was One of the Key Players In a Career Criminal Political Crime Spree... They are still trying to cover their 4th POC's

Response by PO2 Charles Fanning made Apr 19 at 2019 9:16 PM

PO2 Charles Fanning — Fri, 19 Apr 2019 21:16:10 -0400

There is no doubt in my mind Hillary would have been a god send to the Russians.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 19 at 2019 9:21 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 19 Apr 2019 21:21:47 -0400

Definitely from Hillary she could be bought, they already had a down payment on her.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 19 at 2019 9:23 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 19 Apr 2019 21:23:06 -0400

But orange man bad!

Response by SN Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 19 at 2019 11:50 PM

SN Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 19 Apr 2019 23:50:10 -0400

It all depends on how much Hillary would charge them.

Response by SN Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 19 at 2019 11:51 PM

SN Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 19 Apr 2019 23:51:07 -0400

It all depends on how much Hillary would charge them.

Response by LTC David Brown made Apr 20 at 2019 3:05 AM

LTC David Brown — Sat, 20 Apr 2019 03:05:32 -0400

No, I think Trump winning was what Russia wanted. The Russians knew the reality denying Democrats and their minions in the media would never accept a Trump win. Russia knew the entitled whiny cry baby Democrats could not face the reality of Trump winning and that would further divide us. It is funny to watch the cherry picking BS from the Mueller report. The Democrats just know there was collusion, and many are arguing on here that Trump colluded when Mueller couldn’t find any collusion after 22 months, 500 witnesses and $25 million dollars spent investigating for collusion. Then Mueller said there maybe obstruction ( over a crime that never happened) and boy howdie that was written by God on tablets Of Stone! Oh, never mind that none of the witnesses to Trump’s supposed obstruction have been cross examined etc. I know when I went through a divorce how there were some very low low times when I wanted to lash out etc. I can imagine what Trump went through! Being called a traitor by ex CIA Chiefs. Being accused of holding golden showers with Russian prostitutes. Being accused of selling out the country you love etc. I would have wanted to drop a nuke on the FBI etc. Lost in all this is the number of FBI and DOJ officials who were fired, resigned or demoted over unethical behavior surrounding this garbage. Simply amazing!

Response by MSG Stan Hutchison made Apr 20 at 2019 10:20 AM

MSG Stan Hutchison — Sat, 20 Apr 2019 10:20:32 -0400

It does not matter what we believe, What matters is what the Russians believed. And, the evidence shows they believe (d) Trump would be the better choice. Perhaps they knew it was just a matter of money with him.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 21 at 2019 9:13 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 21 Apr 2019 09:13:06 -0400

Of course the Clinton's would have benefited. They are both whores of attention and of wealth by any means. Look at Uranium One and the coincidental deposits of large sums of cash to the CCF (Clinton Crime Foundation) and the signing of Uranium One. Look at the Pay to Play scheme that was perpetrated by the Clinton's and protected by the Obama DOJ.

Then look at how the CCF began losing donors AFTER she lost the election. Coincidence? NO.

Had she won, all Russia would have had to do to influence her would have been to make large "donations" to the CCF and the fix would have been in.