Do you believe that "Fragging" happens--or is it just "Friendly Fire"?

2014-10-24T20:33:47-04:00

Since I asked the Q about having courage to ask Qs that may not be politically correct, here is one few talk about...

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 24 at 2014 9:25 PM

2014-10-24T21:25:09-04:00

http://civilwartalk.com/threads/fragging-incident-iraq.4508/

Seems so.

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 25 at 2014 12:47 AM

2014-10-25T00:47:49-04:00

Maybe not in the traditional sense of actually killing, but I am positive it happens via administrative action. There's more than one way to get rid of a boss and I don't put it past anyone to lie in order to remove someone from the chain of command.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 25 at 2014 3:56 PM

2014-10-25T15:56:58-04:00

I was talking to a Vietnam vet a few days ago about this topic. If anything he was saying is true, saluting from a 1LT was the least of your worries out there.

Response by CW2 Joseph Evans made Oct 25 at 2014 4:43 PM

2014-10-25T16:43:47-04:00

LTC Roy Tisdale http://thisainthell.us/blog/?p=39751

Where does "work place violence" fall into this spectrum?

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The Fayetteville Observer reports that Ricky Elder, the Army specialist who murdered LTC Roy Tisdale while the commander gave his unit a safety briefing on June

Response by Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 25 at 2014 7:34 PM

2014-10-25T19:34:10-04:00

When I flew tankers we had an aircraft commander that was a real piece of work. A real hard ass, let everyone know that it was his jet and you will abide by exactly how he wants the flight to be done. Supposedly a boom operator took the buns off the sandwich in his boxed lunch and rubbed them near his genital area.

When we are busy flying the plane sometimes we have no idea what the boomer could be up to behind us. The senior boom operators used to tell their juniors that the planes crash ax was also to be used to take out a bad copilot if needed.

Response by MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca made Oct 25 at 2014 7:43 PM

2014-10-25T19:43:03-04:00

Not since 2LT "Pledge Pin" Niedermeyer in Vietnam I think? :-)

Response by MAJ Jim Woods made Oct 25 at 2014 9:43 PM

2014-10-25T21:43:17-04:00

It happened multiple times a year in Vietnam from 66-72.

The original term was coined when people would roll hand grenades into the hooch of a sleeping target (normally an officer). It continued to be called "fragging" even when firearms were involved. There were also incidents that occurred on operations during firefights. Seldom did anyone check to see if the bullets were 5.56 or 7.62X39.

Dead is dead and the situations that occurred could be "taking out the bad Lt./Capt." or in some cases racial. I didn't see much of the racial issues in 66-68 but 69-72 they were more frequent than reported. I was involved in a "fragging" Courts Marshall in 1970 in a Division Base Camp. Nothing I wanted to write home about.

Response by 1LT William Clardy made Oct 26 at 2014 1:20 AM

2014-10-26T01:20:37-04:00

SGM Private RallyPoint Member, "friendly fire" is one of the worst misnomers out there. I can't recall anybody I've ever met who considered any uninvited incoming fire (final protective fires qualify as "invited") to be the least bit friendly.

And it definitely did not cease after the withdrawal from Vietnam. As I recall, there was at least one Major who did not survive a live-fire assault in the early days of Fort Irwin.