Do You Agree With Obama That We Can Have Relations With Iran?

2015-10-01T10:56:42-04:00

http://ca.reuters.com/article/topNews/idCAKCN0RV4CT20151001

Normal ties between Iran and U.S. unlikely despite nuclear deal| Top News| Reuters

UNITED NATIONS (Reuters) - Iran is unlikely to normalize relations with the United States despite a landmark nuclear deal reached with America and other major powers and the first handshake between a U.S.

Response by 1stSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 1 at 2015 10:58 AM

2015-10-01T10:58:09-04:00

I believe that at the current time the answer is no. We are still missing several journalists that need to the point of any conversation with Iran

Response by Sgt Tom Cunnally made Oct 1 at 2015 10:59 AM

2015-10-01T10:59:11-04:00

I don't know where Obama is coming from telling us the Iran Deal could lead to relations with Iran. The Iranian Hard Liners and Supreme Leader probably were rolling on their prayer carpets over that one..

Response by SCPO David Lockwood made Oct 1 at 2015 10:59 AM

2015-10-01T10:59:24-04:00

Yes once it becomes a democratic state!

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 1 at 2015 11:16 AM

2015-10-01T11:16:53-04:00

At this point it's evident to most of the world that Iran is using the threat of building nuclear weapons to bargain for economic incentives and the removal of sanctions. Iran's leaders know the shitstorm their country would face if it attacked Israel with nuclear weapons, or even conventional weapons, and they have no desire to do so. They can support the Palestinian cause in ways that do not threaten military action or more sanctions against their country.

Response by SGT David T. made Oct 1 at 2015 11:31 AM

2015-10-01T11:31:21-04:00

No, because they are unwilling to engage in normal relations with us. we are the enemy to them and until that changes there can be no normalization.

Response by LTC Stephen F. made Oct 1 at 2015 12:10 PM

2015-10-01T12:10:21-04:00

We could certainly have potentially combatant relations withe the current leadership of Iran Sgt Tom Cunnally. If the people rise up and overthrow the Mullah-led Shia Islamic theocracy then there would be a hope of reestablished relationship on a parallel with those we had with the regimes up until the time of Shah Pahlavi until 1979.
The Iranian/Persian culture and nation date back to Biblical times and have a history of periodic republics.
[Update] Iran has a rich and varied heritage and many of its people long to be much freer than they are. The advent of widespread cheap wireless communications spread communications throughout the young and young at heart at a time when the Iranian Secret Sate Police maintained a network of informants and encouraged families tom spy on one another and their neighbors [very similar to what had been going on in Iraq during the days of Saddam Hussein]
Iran has a history of some freedom which can be contrasted with those nearby nations created after WWI which have caused so much problems recently - Syria, Iraq, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia. These nations have no history of democracy.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 1 at 2015 12:27 PM

2015-10-01T12:27:35-04:00

Relations does not mean friends.
We maintained relations with the Soviet Union, Warsaw Pact countries, China... Had we not, the risk of war would have been much greater. I think we can have a much greater influence over Iran if we do have diplomatic relations instead of sending third-grade notes through the Swiss or Guatemalans.

Response by SGT William Howell made Oct 1 at 2015 12:54 PM

2015-10-01T12:54:56-04:00

I just find it hard that any intelligent person can think we can even entertain the idea.

It would be like walking up to a person you don't know and you say, "Hello." He returns with, "Fuck you!" You return 10 minutes later and you say, "I am sorry. I think I may have done something wrong to offend you." To which this person responds with, "FUCK YOU and your mother too!" You again return 10 minutes later and you say, "I am not sure why you are so angry at me?" He then responds by invading your embassy, holding 52 hostages for 444 days.

Anybody feel me?

Response by SGT William Howell made Oct 1 at 2015 12:57 PM

2015-10-01T12:57:17-04:00

The Definition of "crazy"is doing the same thing over and over hoping for a different outcome?

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 1 at 2015 2:19 PM

2015-10-01T14:19:49-04:00

I think we can have relations eventually. I don't think it's going to miraculously occur and be normal though in the short term.

Response by SSG Robert Spina made Oct 1 at 2015 2:25 PM

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HE IS DELUSIONAL IRAN IS THE BIGGEST SPONSOR OF TERRORISM AND HAVE CHEATED ON ANY DEAL THEY EVER AGREED TO

Response by SSG Warren Swan made Oct 1 at 2015 2:45 PM

2015-10-01T14:45:12-04:00

We'll never have "formalized" relations with them. Now like the article says, I'm sure we'll do backdoor talks and deals like we do now with other nations.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 1 at 2015 3:39 PM

2015-10-01T15:39:08-04:00

Of course, the relations just need to be at the end of a long and powerful stick and the threat of use of force.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 1 at 2015 3:48 PM

2015-10-01T15:48:56-04:00

I did not have....oh wait that was Bill

Response by LTC Bink Romanick made Oct 1 at 2015 4:08 PM

2015-10-01T16:08:28-04:00

Sgt Tom Cunnally There is always a role for diplomacy in the relations between relations. PRESIDENT Obama is correct in that assumption.

Response by SFC Mark Merino made Oct 1 at 2015 4:17 PM

2015-10-01T16:17:35-04:00

Anyone can have relations with anyone. I am stuck in relations with my ex. Wouldn't advise it, but we are definitely in relations. It is very much a relationship like those with a country that prays for our death and is willing to ally with anyone to meet that goal. The LAST thing I would do is to arm her.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 1 at 2015 4:23 PM

2015-10-01T16:23:56-04:00

No, there is no way the U.S. can have relations with Iran. I would say maybe if you could separate the Islamic theocracy with democracy? On the surface, the U.S. and Iranian governments have much in common. A president who is popularly elected, a boisterous legislature, and a powerful judiciary. The obvious difference lies in the fact that Iran is an Islamic theocracy, and that one man, the Supreme Leader, exerts ideological and political control over a system dominated by clerics who shadow every major function of the state.

Response by SGT Bryon Sergent made Oct 1 at 2015 5:44 PM

2015-10-01T17:44:33-04:00

NO! President Reagan was the one who got it right, He just Missed! or the bomb did rather!

Response by Capt Walter Miller made Oct 1 at 2015 7:12 PM

2015-10-01T19:12:01-04:00

Your link doesn't suggest that President Obama expects 'normal' relations with Iran or even wants them.

Walt

Response by CPT Jack Durish made Oct 1 at 2015 8:02 PM

2015-10-01T20:02:06-04:00

Actually, I believe that we can have very good relations with Iran, just not while it is led by a despotic group of religious fanatics. President Obama missed his opportunity several years ago to support a popular uprising in Iran and their movement folded. Hopefully, another such chance will appear some day and we'll have a less "shy" President who will recognize and take advantage of it.

Response by PO2 Peter Klein made Oct 1 at 2015 10:00 PM

2015-10-01T22:00:24-04:00

It is imperative that we have relations with Iran! They may be strained at first but they have to start somewhere. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

Response by MSG Alfred Aguilar made Oct 2 at 2015 12:16 AM

2015-10-02T00:16:49-04:00

We have relations with Vietnam, and we fought a war with them.

Response by SPC David S. made Oct 2 at 2015 10:18 AM

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Obama wants everyone to get along no matter how misaligned the political perspectives. He is more interested in being the "first" in the history books regardless of the consequences. Any agreement with the Iranians will cause militant Sunni Islamist groups spawned by the Muslim Brotherhood - Al Qaeda, Islamic Jihad, Islamic State, Boko Haram, al-Shabaab al-Mujahidin, Jebhat al Nusra,Hamas, and many other terror organizations in various parts of the world - to accuse the United States and Europe of strengthening the Shiite side. This will lead to increased Sunni terror in Europe and the United States. To me this is a clear misunderstanding of foreign policy in the region by Obama in the directions he has taking with Iran. If nothing else - in a delayed fashion - he has sanctioned the nuclear proliferation in the region by Iran - a country that has a history of practicing the doctrine of taqiyya. To me it seems he is more interested in trying to make amends with countries - Iran, Russia, Cuba and China - in which he feels we have wronged with previous policy. Fool hearty optimism that has lead to the downward spiral of the Middle East.

Response by SrA Anthony Catania made Oct 3 at 2015 12:23 PM

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Iran is an uncivilized savage nation the only to deal with them is to wipe off the face of the earth

Response by SFC Jay Levine made Oct 3 at 2015 10:13 PM

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Yes I agree that we can have a relationship with Iran or any other nation. The Iran agreement is just the first step. Every trip starts with the first step.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 4 at 2015 8:15 AM

2015-10-04T08:15:08-04:00

Although a force on force war would interesting, I think we fail to see what the President sees along with the top brass. Like I said before a force on force war would be interesting but lets look at the grander scheme of things

1. Iran's population. Although I don't have numbers they have an unemployment rate somewhere in the area of 40-50%. The overall population is 75% male (15-75 yrs old). So if war breaks out with the Great Satan (US), we've just mobilized an entire country that will fight for their home. Remember we aren't fighting Iraqis.

And let's not forget how World War I & II started. If Iran attacks directly then yes I can see that. But if we go to war with Iran then by formal treaties it has signed, then we go to war with Russia & China. Then Great Britain along with NATO jumps in to back us up and now the Eastern Europe front is now on high up against Russia and then Ukraine is now at the forefront and 2 SCR just went from training exercises to full on combat.

Remember our business is war. But the civilian side of our country has said when is the war in the Middle East going to be over? The President says there's a chance we can reach peace with Iran. Why? Because we cannot set sustain stability operations in Iran. The country is too big, the population is formidable within itself, major cities are too spread out (Tehran is literally in middle of the country), when was the last time we dealt with an opponent that actually has a formidable military (army, navy, Air Force)? Will the Shia population of Iraq mobilize and align with their Iranain brothers albeit they're Persian Arabs? Will that set off another Iraqi civil war? Will that help propel ISIS? Or will Al-Qaeda make a comeback? How does it translate for forces still in Afghanistan?

My point is the President maybe posing a crazy idea but if you know anything about politics and strategy, then you know that's the solution that works everyone. Why? Because if World War III breaks out, that's the end game because MAD will be reached, either on our end or in retaliation.

Response by CPO Bob Silva made Oct 4 at 2015 11:12 AM

2015-10-04T11:12:46-04:00

I believe it's worth a try the alternative is what another conflict war. More refugees more lives lost more money we don't have. If it doesn't work then I guess we fight.

Response by LTC Mark Sereduck made Oct 4 at 2015 8:58 PM

2015-10-04T20:58:01-04:00

As Israelis have the proverb
, "Keep your friends close and keep your enemies closer", I wholly believe that the those who are possible threats must be kept close to have knowledge and influence ( to include force), that enables us to know what they are thinking for possible issues (which is the basis of all intelligence threats) to be prepared to respond with the level of force.

Response by SGT Rick Ash made Oct 4 at 2015 9:28 PM

2015-10-04T21:28:36-04:00

The only relations we should have with IRAN is to bomb them back into the Ice Age. Tell me why not. Russia cannot defeat the U.S. in an all out war, even with the 150,000 draftees they picked up this week. Wonder how high the desertion rate is already? Iran doesn't have any nuclear capability yet but how long before Putin makes a gift of several warheads. Israel has a great "Iron Shield", I'm not worried about them. And Iran could never get a nuclear missile all the way to the U.S. I believe that Russia could, and maybe they will. It will start in the Mideast but come home quickly.

Response by PO2 David L. Parker made Oct 8 at 2015 12:20 PM

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History has proven that we cannot because a relationship requires full trust. Anyone or any country that shouts on the streets death to America is not someone we need to have a relationship with; albeit, keeping your friends close and your enemies closer does produce a valid truth. We should not go blindly into this and be prepared to act quickly and decisively should they go the wrong direction. Winston Churchhill said, "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." I see no value in a relationship with these hate mongers but we need to be right on their ass to make sure they are not attempting to undermine our great country or kill our people.

Response by SFC Stephen King made Oct 9 at 2015 7:42 AM

2015-10-09T07:42:59-04:00

No
Iran cannot be trusted it is proven fact.

Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 9 at 2015 8:09 AM

2015-10-09T08:09:43-04:00

err... you do know ... even warring with Iran is also consider as a relations.

Drop the wording games, my answer is No. just because I believe in their words ... it is as simple as it is. They are calling for our death.