Do you agree w/ Trump's no Muslims to enter CONUS w/o better vetting?

CSM Charles Hayden — Mon, 07 Dec 2015 20:37:04 -0500

Response by Sgt David G Duchesneau made Dec 7 at 2015 8:38 PM

Sgt David G Duchesneau — Mon, 07 Dec 2015 20:38:02 -0500

Fu-king A I do!

Response by Alan K. made Dec 7 at 2015 8:40 PM

Alan K. — Mon, 07 Dec 2015 20:40:21 -0500

Absolutely....

Vetting

Response by SN Greg Wright made Dec 7 at 2015 8:40 PM

SN Greg Wright — Mon, 07 Dec 2015 20:40:34 -0500

CSM Charles Hayden Discrimination based on religion is unconstitutional. Any such Presidential Order would last for about 10 minutes before SCOTUS shuts it down.

I'm merely stating the facts, not my opinion of them, or Trump.

Response by PO1 John Miller made Dec 7 at 2015 8:44 PM

PO1 John Miller — Mon, 07 Dec 2015 20:44:37 -0500

I don't think ANY refugee or immigrant should be allowed to enter the CONUS without better vesting. Religion has no bearing on that.

Response by TSgt Kenneth Ellis made Dec 7 at 2015 8:49 PM

TSgt Kenneth Ellis — Mon, 07 Dec 2015 20:49:57 -0500

FDR already did that on 1933 he closed our boarder to Jewish immigration.

Response by SGM Steve Wettstein made Dec 7 at 2015 8:51 PM

SGM Steve Wettstein — Mon, 07 Dec 2015 20:51:45 -0500

CSM Charles Hayden Chuck, I don't care who they are. Everyone should be vetted to the max before being allow into the US.

Response by COL Jon Thompson made Dec 7 at 2015 9:04 PM

COL Jon Thompson — Mon, 07 Dec 2015 21:04:54 -0500

We should vet everyone that comes into this nation.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 7 at 2015 9:58 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 07 Dec 2015 21:58:33 -0500

Religious discrimination is disgusting, as is any discrimination. Of course I don't think too highly of Trump and not surprised at him being even more bigoted than he's already shown himself to be.

Response by SGM Mikel Dawson made Dec 7 at 2015 10:49 PM

SGM Mikel Dawson — Mon, 07 Dec 2015 22:49:08 -0500

He's got a point, but now it's like closing the barn door after the horse has already got out, but it goes deeper than just muslims - our southern border is wide open, we've just had proof the current "vetting" system doesn't work. There's a lot of work to do.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 8 at 2015 12:51 AM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 08 Dec 2015 00:51:17 -0500

If someone has a better way, let's hear it!! Otherwise, HELL YES!

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 8 at 2015 1:19 AM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 08 Dec 2015 01:19:42 -0500

I think it is the wrong thing to say and do. Trump is not very smart in some respects. He called John McCain a loser for being captured in Vietnam (Should he have just crashed his plane like a Kamikaze when he was hit near Hanoi?). Donald Trump is now feeding into the ISIL narrative. Things did go wrong with the female shooter at San Bernardino. She did not make the interview after she arrived. Nothing wrong with vetting people. He may win votes but he just played into what ISIL/Daesh has always wanted. More alienation to get them 5 divisions worth of volunteers.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 8 at 2015 1:21 AM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 08 Dec 2015 01:21:12 -0500

Trump is the new William Randolph Hearst! Rosebud!

Response by PO1 William "Chip" Nagel made Dec 8 at 2015 7:13 AM

PO1 William "Chip" Nagel — Tue, 08 Dec 2015 07:13:38 -0500

He can dress it up anyway he wants but as a German American it sure smacks of something my Culture finds very vile.

Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 8 at 2015 7:19 AM

PO3 Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 08 Dec 2015 07:19:37 -0500

that is Fear and Security on one side, and the other side is Mercy and Charity .... we will make mistake on this topic, we had make mistake in WW2 and we will again ... because we are all just human.

The conflict in me is unspeakable ... on one side ... fear is raising, worry about my two little kids ... what will they be facing when they grow up. on the other side, I wanted to help ...

The only solution I got is ... !@#$$!!@# destroy ISIS/ISIL NOW!!!!!!

Response by PO2 Mark Saffell made Dec 8 at 2015 7:36 AM

PO2 Mark Saffell — Tue, 08 Dec 2015 07:36:04 -0500

I was amazed at the number of Liberals that forget FDR did the same thing during WW II, However that being said. IF and I do mean IF a person can really be vetted, then they should be able to come in. The problem is Syrians CANT be vetted and that doesn't matter to the Left. IF the Left was an honest group of people they would admit this. Oh wait. they would also have to admit they only believe in the First Amendment IF you agree with there point. If you don't, They want to shut you up and take away your rights.

Response by PO2 Mark Saffell made Dec 8 at 2015 7:37 AM

PO2 Mark Saffell — Tue, 08 Dec 2015 07:37:04 -0500

Not sure why anyone would vote you down for asking a questions. Its a reasonable question and does not deserve a down vote for just asking it.

Response by SPC David S. made Dec 8 at 2015 9:48 AM

SPC David S. — Tue, 08 Dec 2015 09:48:09 -0500

Not to be a xenophobe I do however think anyone coming into our country should past the smell test.

Response by A1C Charles D Wilson made Dec 8 at 2015 10:22 AM

A1C Charles D Wilson — Tue, 08 Dec 2015 10:22:09 -0500

The problem falls to vesting. How can you vest anyone from a country that has no history of said person being natural to extreme to radical? If the country can not state and secure them before we investigate said persons then who do you check with about said person to be a trustful person to be allowed in? I say "Yes!" to stopping all from coming in and start a review of all those here in our country. I have seen to many here that state the Koran and Sharia law trump our Constitution and that is an issue with me as a citizen a veteran and a Native American. True most say a lot about this but until they have enough of their own supporters here they will stay silent. Once they have enough supporters then they will raise up against our Constitution and demand if not fight for a change of laws to meet their said needs.
Putin said it best and very firm when he said" If they come here they will abide by our laws learn the language or get out!" and we should stand firm and do the same. My people have been through this already once and I do not want to see this happen again.

Just my 2 cents about it .. right or wrong.

Chuck D

Response by SGT Christopher Churilla made Dec 8 at 2015 2:41 PM

SGT Christopher Churilla — Tue, 08 Dec 2015 14:41:53 -0500

No, and I can sum up my reasoning in two words: Timothy McVeigh.

Response by SSG Warren Swan made Dec 8 at 2015 3:00 PM

SSG Warren Swan — Tue, 08 Dec 2015 15:00:12 -0500

I'm going to throw this out there and take my downvotes in stride: If YOU think what he said is ok; If YOU think what he said needs to be done, If you can sleep at night knowing we did away with due process, and all the protections in the constitution we call ourselves defending abroad, then you are NO better than every terrorist org we've ever had to deal with. America has a nasty habit of looking at a person's skin color and making rash determinations of what they're worth. If that wasn't enough, America has a nastier habit of justifying it. Whatever name you want to call it, it's WRONG. Dead WRONG. We can go to history books and get all over Germany's ass for their internment camps, and it's ok, but not too many history books talk about how we did it to American's based off their skin color and the slant of their eyes. Trump brings up Operation Wetback and folks go nuts in happiness. If you know what that was, then you know for someone to bring this up and say we need to do this again is again WRONG. DEAD Wrong. I don't know how many RP'ers have been here and really looked at it. My ex's family came through here when Ellis Island was still used. Nowhere did it say you had to have white skin, blonde hairpieces and blue eyes. Nowhere did it mention they had to be Christian. Nowhere in here did it say they had to be rich or willing to pay for the ability to be American. They are not terrorists, but if you follow Trump and those like him they are ONLY due to skin color, religion, and geological location. In fact her parents held down three jobs apiece to get themselves in a position to where their kids wouldn't have to struggle. If that IS NOT the American Dream, then you are confused and rather delirious, and maybe we need to deport you, and those like you. I went there with my ex years ago, and she was proud of what her parents did and went through to get here. She doesn't have the struggles they did, nor me the ones my parents had. They ARE Americans the same way I am, and even though we're not together anymore, I am proud of them. I don't think Trump or anyone else who's been to the Statue of Liberty have actually read the poem. If they had, their views wouldn't be so ignorant and weak. It doesn't mention skin, money, family name, what you owe, own, or anything. All it wants is you to become a productive member of America. My ex is Indian. She's Hindu. Her skin is brown. All the hallmarks of a terrorist in blue jeans, a t-shirt, and the love of a cheeseburger. Shame on you Trump. Shame on anyone with his views. You are the reason we're NOT great, and YOU are the reason why we cannot move forward.

Response by SSG Audwin Scott made Dec 8 at 2015 3:17 PM

SSG Audwin Scott — Tue, 08 Dec 2015 15:17:19 -0500

So he doesn't want to let Muslims in country, what about the ones already here?

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 8 at 2015 10:13 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 08 Dec 2015 22:13:53 -0500

yes!!

Response by Cpl Jeff N. made Dec 8 at 2015 10:18 PM

Cpl Jeff N. — Tue, 08 Dec 2015 22:18:39 -0500

I think we all know now (many of us have known for a while) that we need to do a far better job vetting immigrants, visa applicants, refugees etc. to ensure they are who they say they are and they present no threat. What we also know is the primary threat for legal immigrants/visas/refugees coming here is from muslim countries. That is just a fact. There are not concerns with immigrants coming from most other parts of the world and other religions these days.
If you don't think we should be doing a better job vetting then you are not paying attention. The re-vetting of applicants would require us to pause the flow as we re-vet those currently trying to come here. It would be an operational pause while we double check many/most (likely not all as some are clearly not a risk).

Response by SSG (ret) William Martin made Dec 8 at 2015 11:13 PM

SSG (ret) William Martin — Tue, 08 Dec 2015 23:13:34 -0500

Yes, that was a pretty dumb for Trump to say.

Response by SGM Mikel Dawson made Dec 9 at 2015 12:11 PM

SGM Mikel Dawson — Wed, 09 Dec 2015 12:11:17 -0500

Yes I agree with him, and I'd also include ANY AND ALL refugee or immigrant. Our borders need to get tighten up, needed this for YEARS

Response by SSG Todd Halverson made Dec 9 at 2015 12:15 PM

SSG Todd Halverson — Wed, 09 Dec 2015 12:15:08 -0500

I agree with the fact that the Muslims and other Arab immigrants need to be better vetted before coming into the U.S. Funny how everyone is in an uproar over his comments, when Pres. Jimmy Carter banned and deported Iranians from US in 1979(?). This was in response to Iran taking US hostages.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 9 at 2015 10:04 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 09 Dec 2015 22:04:53 -0500

How will these Muslims be vetted? Skin color? Only catching the ones that are carrying a Koran? Length of their beard? Get the ones wearing a crescent pendant? What about people who practice Hinduism, yet may superficially resemble someone who is Muslim....will they be unfairly targeted? Are we talking about Persian Gulf region Muslims or Malaysia...or even Great Britain? There are over a million in Canada..are they part of this ban?

Even if I was in favor of this ridiculous idea, I don't see how it is feasible.

Response by SPC Nathan Freeman made Dec 10 at 2015 6:14 AM

SPC Nathan Freeman — Thu, 10 Dec 2015 06:14:00 -0500

It's not unprecedented. Jimmy Carter did something similar when Iran had their famous regime change. It's not racist since anyone can be Muslim. It's a temporary precaution.

Response by PO3 David Fries made Dec 10 at 2015 6:29 AM

PO3 David Fries — Thu, 10 Dec 2015 06:29:33 -0500

Plain and simple, no. Religion should not be a factor. Vetting every person for criminal activity, regardless of race, religion, or creed though...

Response by Cpl Benjamin Long made Dec 10 at 2015 6:33 AM

Cpl Benjamin Long — Thu, 10 Dec 2015 06:33:34 -0500

I agree.. the fact is that we are allowing Trojan horses to be implanted into the county by liberal policies... We do not have to give aide to our enemies... as that would be counter productive to any applicable notion of security. In fact, a global prohibition would be better until it can be sorted out. Hence, a policy that help terrorists enter the county is giving comfort to the enemy...

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 10 at 2015 10:27 AM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 10 Dec 2015 10:27:39 -0500

LTC Private RallyPoint Member And why would that be a problem for you? 14-dead ring any bells?

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 10 at 2015 10:30 AM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 10 Dec 2015 10:30:23 -0500

CSM Charles Hayden I am hoping the Major who downvoted you would explain himself. This is important, Most other countries do....

Response by CPT Pedro Meza made Dec 10 at 2015 5:39 PM

CPT Pedro Meza — Thu, 10 Dec 2015 17:39:17 -0500

Trump is a reality star that knows how to get people to pay attention so that he gains an audience for his drama. Now lets talk about the four bankruptcy that his company has filed in order not to pay creditors.

Response by SSgt Liam Babington made Dec 10 at 2015 8:34 PM

SSgt Liam Babington — Thu, 10 Dec 2015 20:34:26 -0500

Trump has lost his mind...not that he had one to begin with! Further more IF...he got elected...he would become the first POTUS to be impeached!

Response by Cpl Tou Lee Yang made Dec 11 at 2015 4:43 AM

Cpl Tou Lee Yang — Fri, 11 Dec 2015 04:43:47 -0500

A religious war is about to start within our lifetime.

Response by 1SG Robert Rush made Dec 11 at 2015 9:33 AM

1SG Robert Rush — Fri, 11 Dec 2015 09:33:25 -0500

Trump only said what others in office now has stated, but as everything else that he has said, it is twisted by the media. Congress has to come together and set up a better policy on immigration into the US. This should include not only Muslims, but anyone trying to come in. There are aliens coming in to the country from the south but also from our northern borders. Those in Congress need to start doing their job and that is to protect the American people, period. It seams that they care more about illegals more than their own citizens. This country is moving backward, not forward.

Response by SGT Thomas Gorgas made Dec 17 at 2015 1:17 PM

SGT Thomas Gorgas — Thu, 17 Dec 2015 13:17:14 -0500

In all my years of military dealings, I remember what an old PSG told me: KEEP POLITICS OUT OF IT. Remember the Oath: to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, and to obey the orders of those appointed over us. No where in ther does it say that we can choose which orders we can choose to obey, because of political affiliation, with the exception of said order being morally wrong. So, KEEP POLITICS OUT OF IT

Response by CW3 Jim Norris made Jan 12 at 2016 10:31 AM

CW3 Jim Norris — Tue, 12 Jan 2016 10:31:50 -0500

Yep.

Response by LTC James McElreath made Feb 20 at 2019 11:25 PM

LTC James McElreath — Wed, 20 Feb 2019 23:25:58 -0500

Actually all those coming to our country should be vetted! One does not know otherwise who enters the US to cause trouble and or friendly. Besides we have enough looney people born and raised, then add the fanatics even more a mess.