Do the rules for private firearms on installations differ with your branch of service or base policies?

GySgt Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 07 Apr 2014 15:25:26 -0400

Guidance when you are on a Marine Corps Installation.  Do these differ with your branch of service or base policies?<div><br></div><div><span style="color: rgb(35, 31, 32); font-family: 'Courier New'; font-size: 12px; line-height: 18px; background-color: rgb(231, 228, 215);">MARADMIN 176/14</span><br><div><div><span style="color: rgb(35, 31, 32); font-family: 'Courier New'; font-size: 12px; line-height: 18px; background-color: rgb(231, 228, 215);">3.A.1.  PROHIBIT PRIVATELY OWNED FIREARMS IN ALL FEDERAL FACILITIES, TO INCLUDE GOVERNMENT LEASED SPACES AND GOVERNMENT VEHICLES.</span><br style="color: rgb(35, 31, 32); font-family: 'Courier New'; font-size: 12px; line-height: 18px; background-color: rgb(231, 228, 215);"><span style="color: rgb(35, 31, 32); font-family: 'Courier New'; font-size: 12px; line-height: 18px; background-color: rgb(231, 228, 215);">3.A.2.  PROHIBIT CARRYING PRIVATELY OWNED FIREARMS AS CONCEALED WEAPONS ABOARD MARINE CORPS INSTALLATIONS.</span><br style="color: rgb(35, 31, 32); font-family: 'Courier New'; font-size: 12px; line-height: 18px; background-color: rgb(231, 228, 215);"><span style="color: rgb(35, 31, 32); font-family: 'Courier New'; font-size: 12px; line-height: 18px; background-color: rgb(231, 228, 215);">3.A.3.  ENSURE ALL PRIVATELY OWNED FIREARMS STORED ABOARD MARINE CORPS INSTALLATIONS ARE REGISTERED AND ON FILE WITH THE PROVOST MARSHAL'S OFFICE/MARINE CORPS POLICE DEPARTMENT.</span><br style="color: rgb(35, 31, 32); font-family: 'Courier New'; font-size: 12px; line-height: 18px; background-color: rgb(231, 228, 215);"><span style="color: rgb(35, 31, 32); font-family: 'Courier New'; font-size: 12px; line-height: 18px; background-color: rgb(231, 228, 215);">3.A.4.  PROHIBIT STORAGE OF PRIVATELY OWNED FIREARMS AND AMMUNITION IN BACHELOR ENLISTED QUARTERS (BEQ) (NONCOMMISSIONED OFFICERS AND BELOW).  STORAGE WITHIN THE BACHELOR OFFICER QUARTERS (BOQ) AND STAFF NONCOMMISSIONED OFFICER BEQ IS AT THE DISCRETION OF THE INSTALLATION COMMANDER.  COMMANDERS ARE AUTHORIZED TO ALLOW MARINES TO STORE PERSONALLY OWNED FIREARMS IN UNIT OR INSTALLATION ARMORIES.</span><br style="color: rgb(35, 31, 32); font-family: 'Courier New'; font-size: 12px; line-height: 18px; background-color: rgb(231, 228, 215);"><span style="color: rgb(35, 31, 32); font-family: 'Courier New'; font-size: 12px; line-height: 18px; background-color: rgb(231, 228, 215);">3.A.5.  REEMPHASIZE COMPLIANCE REGARDING STORAGE OF PRIVATELY OWNED FIREARMS AND AMMUNITION IN GOVERNMENT FAMILY HOUSING.</span><br style="color: rgb(35, 31, 32); font-family: 'Courier New'; font-size: 12px; line-height: 18px; background-color: rgb(231, 228, 215);"><span style="color: rgb(35, 31, 32); font-family: 'Courier New'; font-size: 12px; line-height: 18px; background-color: rgb(231, 228, 215);">3.A.6.  IN ALL CASES, PRIVATELY OWNED FIREARMS WILL BE STORED IN A FULLY ENCASED CONTAINER (E.G. COMMERCIAL GUN SAFE, HARD PLASTIC CASE, ETC.) THAT IS CAPABLE OF COMPLETELY ENCLOSING THE FIREARMS AND BEING LOCKED WITH A KEY OR COMBINATION LOCK.  ALL FIREARMS WILL BE FITTED WITH A TRIGGER LOCK.</span><br style="color: rgb(35, 31, 32); font-family: 'Courier New'; font-size: 12px; line-height: 18px; background-color: rgb(231, 228, 215);"><span style="color: rgb(35, 31, 32); font-family: 'Courier New'; font-size: 12px; line-height: 18px; background-color: rgb(231, 228, 215);">3.A.7.  AMMUNITION MUST BE STORED SEPARATELY FROM FIREARMS AND IN A CONTAINER CAPABLE OF BEING LOCKED WITH A KEY OR COMBINATION LOCK.</span><br style="color: rgb(35, 31, 32); font-family: 'Courier New'; font-size: 12px; line-height: 18px; background-color: rgb(231, 228, 215);"><span style="color: rgb(35, 31, 32); font-family: 'Courier New'; font-size: 12px; line-height: 18px; background-color: rgb(231, 228, 215);">3.A.8.  PRIVATELY OWNED FIREARMS WILL NOT BE STORED IN PRIVATELY OWNED VEHICLES (POV'S) ABOARD MARINE CORPS INSTALLATIONS.</span><br style="color: rgb(35, 31, 32); font-family: 'Courier New'; font-size: 12px; line-height: 18px; background-color: rgb(231, 228, 215);"><span style="color: rgb(35, 31, 32); font-family: 'Courier New'; font-size: 12px; line-height: 18px; background-color: rgb(231, 228, 215);">3.A.9.  ALL PERSONNEL WILL CONTINUE TO COMPLY WITH ALL APPLICABLE FEDERAL, STATE, AND LOCAL LAWS FOR THE PURCHASE, REGISTRATION, TRANSPORTATION, AND STORAGE OF PRIVATELY OWNED FIREARMS AND AMMUNITION.</span><br style="color: rgb(35, 31, 32); font-family: 'Courier New'; font-size: 12px; line-height: 18px; background-color: rgb(231, 228, 215);"><span style="color: rgb(35, 31, 32); font-family: 'Courier New'; font-size: 12px; line-height: 18px; background-color: rgb(231, 228, 215);">3.A.10.  TRANSPORTING PRIVATELY OWNED FIREARMS IS AUTHORIZED IN POV'S TO AND FROM AN AUTHORIZED STORAGE AREA OR TO AN OFF-BASE LOCATION CONSISTENT WITH FEDERAL, STATE, AND LOCAL LAWS.  THEY MAY ALSO BE TRANSPORTED TO AND FROM ON-BASE AREAS WHERE FIREARMS USE IS AUTHORIZED, SUCH AS HUNTING AREAS OR RECREATIONAL SHOOTING RANGES.  CURRENT POLICIES THAT PERMIT HUNTERS ON BASES ARE ADEQUATE AND THIS MARADMIN DOES NOT REQUIRE THEIR WEAPONS TO BE REGISTERED UNLESS THEY ARE STORED ON BASE.</span><br><div><br></div></div></div></div><div class="pta-link-card"><div class="pta-link-card-picture"><img src="http://www.marines.mil/Portals/59/final.png"></div><div class="pta-link-card-content"><div class="pta-link-card-title"><a target="_blank" href="http://www.marines.mil/News/Messages/MessagesDisplay/tabid/13286/Article/161976/interim-guidance-for-privately-owned-firearms-policy-aboard-marine-corps-instal.aspx">INTERIM GUIDANCE FOR PRIVATELY OWNED FIREARMS POLICY ABOARD MARINE CORPS INSTALLATIONS &gt; The Official United States Marine Corps Public Website &gt; Messages Display</a></div><div class="pta-link-card-description">R 031603Z APR 14 UNCLASSIFIED/ MARADMIN 176/14 MSGID/GENADMIN,USMTF,2007/CMC WASHINGTON DC DMCS(UC)/F002// SUBJ/INTERIM GUIDANCE FOR PRIVATELY OWNED FIREARMS POLICY ABOARD MARINE CORPS INSTALLATIONS//...</div></div><div style="clear:both"></div><div class="pta-box-hide"><i class="icon-remove"></i></div></div>

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 7 at 2014 7:09 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 07 Apr 2014 19:09:42 -0400

Basically the same as the Marine Corp. I do know Fort Campbell, KY the policy is if you are going to a Training Area (TA) or POW range to hunt or shoot it must go from resident straight to TA or POW range

ALARACT 333/2011

DTG R 311939Z AUG 11

1. REFERENCES:

A. SECTION 1062, NATIONAL DEFENSE AUTHORIZATION ACT FOR FISCAL

YEAR 2011(PUBLIC LAW 111-383).

B. ARMY REGULATION 190-11, PHYSICAL SECURITY OF ARMS,

AMMUNITION, AND EXPLOSIVES, 28 JUN 11.

2. THE PURPOSE OF THIS MESSAGE IS TO PROVIDE CLARIFICATION

REGARDING THE REQUIREMENTS AND LIMITATIONS ON THE REGISTRATION,

STORAGE, AND AUTHORIZED USE OF PRIVATELY OWNED FIREARMS BY

SOLDIERS. THE MAJOR POLICY CHANGES CONCERNING PRIVATELY OWNED

WEAPONS IN RECENTLY PUBLISHED REFERENCE B ARE IN CONCERT WITH

PUBLIC LAW IN REFERENCE A. SENIOR COMMANDERS HAVE SPECIFIC

AUTHORITY TO REGULATE PRIVATELY OWNED WEAPONS, EXPLOSIVES, AND

AMMUNITION ON ARMY INSTALLATIONS.

3. ON-POST REGULATION: PURSUANT TO REFERENCE B, THE SENIOR

COMMANDER AT EACH INSTALLATION HAS THE AUTHORITY TO REGULATE

PRIVATELY OWNED WEAPONS WITHIN THE CONFINES OF THE

INSTALLATION. THIS AUTHORITY INCLUDES:

A. PROHIBITING THE CARRYING OF PRIVATELY OWNED WEAPONS UNLESS

AUTHORIZED;

B. REQUIRING REGISTRATION OF FIREARMS FOR PERSONNEL RESIDING ON

THE INSTALLATION;

C. REQUIRING REGISTRATION OF FIREARMS BROUGHT ONTO THE

INSTALLATION FOR THE PURPOSE OF ENGAGING IN AN AUTHORIZED

ACTIVITY (E.G. HUNTING OR MARKSMANSHIP EVENTS);

D. REQUIRING THAT THE PRIVATELY OWNED WEAPONS OF SOLDIERS

RESIDING ON-POST BE SECURED IN THE INSTALLATION ARMORY/UNIT ARMS

ROOM UNLESS AUTHORIZED TO BE STORED IN QUARTERS; AND

E. REQUIRING THAT PRIVATELY OWNED WEAPONS ARE PROPERLY

TRANSPORTED ON THE INSTALLATION.

4. OFF-POST REGULATION: THE ABILITY OF A COMMANDER TO REGULATE

THE PRIVATELY OWNED WEAPONS OF SOLDIERS WHO RESIDE OFF-POST IS

SIGNIFICANTLY LIMITED BY REFERENCE A AS NOTED BELOW:

A. THIS STATUTE PROHIBITS THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE FROM ISSUING

ANY REQUIREMENT, OR COLLECTING OR RECORDING ANY INFORMATION

"RELATING TO THE OTHERWISE LAWFUL ACQUISITION, POSSESSION,

OWNERSHIP, CARRYING, OR OTHER USE OF A PRIVATELY OWNED FIREARM"

BY A MEMBER OF THE ARMED FORCES NOT KEPT ON A MILITARY

INSTALLATION.

B. THERE ARE THREE STATED EXCEPTIONS TO THIS PROHIBITION. THE

FIRST TWO APPLY WHEN SOLDIERS ARE ENGAGED IN OFFICIAL DUTIES OR

ARE IN UNIFORM AND ARE SELF-EXPLANATORY.

C. THE THIRD EXCEPTION ALLOWS COMMANDERS TO REGULATE PRIVATELY

OWNED WEAPONS WHEN A SOLDIER IS UNDER INVESTIGATION,

PROSECUTION, OR ADJUDICATION OF AN ALLEGED VIOLATION OF LAW,

INCLUDING MATTERS RELATED TO WHETHER A MEMBER OF THE ARMED

FORCES CONSTITUTES A THREAT TO THE MEMBER OR

OTHERS. IMPORTANTLY, AN ALLEGED VIOLATION OF LAW OR THREAT TO

SELF OR OTHERS IS NECESSARY BEFORE THE COLLECTION OF OFF-POST

PRIVATELY OWNED WEAPON INFORMATION. WITHIN THIS EXCEPTION,

COMMANDERS WHO COME TO A REASONED CONCLUSION (BASED ON DIRECT

OBSERVATION AND/OR REPORTS FROM FRIENDS, FAMILY OR HEALTH CARE

PROVIDERS) THAT A SOLDIER IS A THREAT TO HIMSELF/HERSELF OR

OTHERS MAY INITIATE AN INVESTIGATION INTO THE POTENTIAL THREAT

OF VIOLENCE.

D. WHEN A COMMANDER BELIEVES A SOLDIER WHO RESIDES OFF-POST IS A

RISK TO SELF OR OTHERS, THE COMMANDER MAY MOVE THE SOLDIER ONPOST

(WHERE THE ON-POST RULES FOR REGULATION OF PRIVATELY OWNED

WEAPONS APPLY) AND/OR REQUEST THE SOLDIER VOLUNTARILY TURN-IN

HIS/HER PRIVATELY OWNED WEAPON FOR STORAGE.

E. COMMANDERS SHOULD SEEK THE ADVICE OF THEIR SERVICING JUDGE

ADVOCATE PRIOR TO TAKING ANY ACTION OR COLLECTING ANY

INFORMATION CONCERNING PRIVATELY OWNED WEAPONS MAINTAINED OFFPOST.

Response by MSG Mitch Dowler made May 23 at 2014 1:21 PM

MSG Mitch Dowler — Fri, 23 May 2014 13:21:26 -0400

My policy would be never let anyone on the installation know I owned firearms period and keep them off post. Sounds like we found an USSR policy and implemented it in the U.S. Military!

Response by TSgt Joshua Copeland made Sep 28 at 2014 11:37 AM

TSgt Joshua Copeland — Sun, 28 Sep 2014 11:37:22 -0400

Without digging for references, the AF is the same. No POWs on billeting or dorms. (AF version of BEQ/Barricks). In on base housing, they have to be approved by your Commander and registered with the SFS (our version of the Provost). When pending approval, POWs are required to be stored in the SFS armory or off base.

Response by TSgt John Temblador, PI, CIPA made Nov 24 at 2015 12:02 PM

TSgt John Temblador, PI, CIPA — Tue, 24 Nov 2015 12:02:41 -0500

All Military should be armed... On and off duty. Your country needs to fight and protect its people from all enemies, foreign and domestic. Crime would go down and Law Enforcement / Public Safety / Security would benefit communities and lifestyles...

Mandatory quarterly training, law, and first responder for every qualified military personnel.