Do NCO's know that some of the things they do effects soldiers on how they would become non commissioned officers in the future?

2016-06-12T22:19:18-04:00

Well pretty much when you have some sgts in your unit who act like pure unprofessional leaders. They don't take account into how that effects the mindset of soldiers to become NCO's so when these now newly ranked E5's become a figure of authority they abuse their powers because they were abused coming up. How does one stop this; because no matter how many sensing sessions there are there are still gonna be those individuals who continue to do the wrong things. Then when you speak with the IG you don't really wanna say where you stand and would rather transfer then just speak on anything about the unit because you just don't want nothing to do with it all any more a lot of my battles said today they will never resign because of how they've been treated.

Response by SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL made Jun 12 at 2016 10:22 PM

2016-06-12T22:22:10-04:00

SPC Private RallyPoint Member thanks for the valuable read and share! Great information and advise.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 13 at 2016 5:18 AM

2016-06-13T05:18:45-04:00

True, there are a lot of NCO's that "abuse" their authority because of the way they were treated as a lower enlisted, but the best answer would be to take positive aspects from different GOOD leaders and apply them to your own leadership style. That's what I try to do.

Response by SGM Erik Marquez made Jun 13 at 2016 8:09 AM

2016-06-13T08:09:16-04:00

EDIT: The use of the word YOU in this response is not pointed to anyone specifcally .. I know nothing of SPC Cortez Beaver and as I would any SM I have not yet observed personally, I assume professionalism and a desire to do it right..

"Do NCO's know that some of the things they do affects soldiers on how they would become non commissioned officers in the future?"

We absolutely know that, and it is why we make you do the task again, and again until you get it right. Knowing full well you will bad mouth us to your peers and social media.
We know that if we let you walk around out of uniform, that will set the new standard and it is what you will lower yourself to in the future as an NCO.
When you get a DUI, even though you and your buddies feel you are a GREAT SPC, we are recommending to the commander to separate you.
Its the reason we harp on you about being on time, prepared for the day, duty or task.. not 5 min late or on time but not ready to work.
We know that if we allow you to NOT fix that private standing next to you talking crap about another NCO who had him go to the end of the line in the PU event when he failed to do the first 10 correct... you will consider that the NORM.... we will correct the PVT, then take you off to a corner and correct you.

We absolutely know that everything we do, in front of, with, to you affects how you will become an NCO...and that is why many do not "like us" and decide not to reenlist..and that is ok..Service and its needs are not for everybody.

All that said, two things, YOU was used as a generality, not specific to any one person, just to whom it apply to... And... Understanding the military is made up of everything from your hometown has to offer..... mostly great americans, but also murders, rapist, thugs and thieves.plus sometimes just plain mean people. So some of those lesser qualities will find themselves into the Officer and NCO ranks, as well as the enlisted ranks..... We try and separate them , but still some slip by.

Response by Cpl Justin Goolsby made Jun 13 at 2016 12:20 PM

2016-06-13T12:20:22-04:00

No. Some people aren't that forward thinking. As a Junior Marine, I've had my share of good NCOs and bad NCOs. I learned early on which kind I wanted to be like and which kind I wanted to avoid becoming. Every time I would get a new batch of Junior Marines in my charge, I would give them that speech. I tell them to learn from everyone. Find the kind of leader you want to be and strive to be like them. Learn from both the good and bad.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 13 at 2016 1:38 PM

2016-06-13T13:38:31-04:00

You break the chain by taking what those good leaders you have and what those bad leaders have and you make your own style of leadership. But to break it down even further....you stop it at the VERY LOWEST level possible. If your team/squad mate is constantly badmouthing NCOs for any kind of perceived wrong, correct your team/squad mate and tell them to stop because all they are doing is making a situation worse. You know the standards that are to be met, so meet those standards and be that example for your team/squad. And when they see that you are not the one getting singled out, then they will (hopefully) change their tune and start towing the line. Do what you are supposed to do....be where you are supposed to be and in the uniform you are supposed to be in and things will be gravy. Will there be suck? Yes, it's the Army...there will always be suck. Embrace it and move forward.

Response by CPT Joseph K Murdock made Jun 13 at 2016 3:18 PM

2016-06-13T15:18:07-04:00

Sounds like the NCOs lack treating the soldiers with dignity and respect. They are not cognizant trust is a two way street. I partially blame the 1SG and CO for not knowing the pulse of the company.

Response by SGT Paul Mackay made Jun 13 at 2016 4:12 PM

2016-06-13T16:12:28-04:00

yes but some officers don't

Response by MSG Doug Patterson made Jul 19 at 2016 5:09 PM

2016-07-19T17:09:24-04:00

It has to start with you. You have to do the work of reading the doctrine, learning the rules, then do the hard work of following those regulations. When you get that next promotion, show your subordinates what a leader looks and acts like. It will not be easy, but if you work at it leadership will take notice and you can find yourself on the fast track. Again, learn the regulations that are important to your specific need /complaints, they are what the IG is going to follow. Stop complaining, it is disrespectful and breeds discontent. Stop bickering amongst yourselves about how bad it is and start acting like professional soldiers. Become the SME in your field. After 3 decades in uniform, one of the most important things I have learned is if I am going to open my mouth I had better be bringing something positive to the conversation. I can look back and see how stress resulted in my being angered at leadership decisions, and how that negative behavior only made extra work. About the IG, if you have done your homework, used your Chain of Command and are still am not satisfied, be an adult and follow through.