Do Liberals really understand and support Abortion any time for any reason?

PO2 Mark Saffell — Wed, 09 Mar 2016 06:57:55 -0500

I was watching the Dem. Town hall meeting on TV and the question was asked of both Bernie and HRC and they basically both answered yes to Do you support abortion any time for any reason and they both said YES. Do Liberals that support either of these two really support a woman's right to abort her baby up to her due date for any reason???

Response by PO2 Mark Saffell made Mar 9 at 2016 7:45 AM

PO2 Mark Saffell — Wed, 09 Mar 2016 07:45:17 -0500

I guess my question here, That no one is answering. How do you support a person that's ok with killing babies?

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 9 at 2016 7:54 AM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 09 Mar 2016 07:54:11 -0500

As disgusting as it is, they really do support that, brother.

Response by MSgt Michael Smith made Mar 9 at 2016 8:04 AM

MSgt Michael Smith — Wed, 09 Mar 2016 08:04:53 -0500

Do Conservatives really support the right to bear arms of any kind at any place for any reason? I think the reason most would say yes is because laws that curtail rights usually are a slippery slope to more laws that curtail even more rights --just look at the current state of affairs with abortion rights in Texas. Even in VA, lawmakers are continuously trying to restrict abortion laws through legislation, like requiring a sonogram or counselling. All these laws have the same point --to slowly whittle away at the right to choose. So my point is that gun laws and abortion laws are almost the same sort of situation, if you let a little regulation seep in, it slowly turns into a lot of regulation.

Response by CW4 Guy Butler made Mar 9 at 2016 8:09 AM

CW4 Guy Butler — Wed, 09 Mar 2016 08:09:15 -0500

Half right...

UPDATE: 7:04 p.m. EST -- Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said that she supported a more limited abortion policy than Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, during the Fox News Channel's Democratic town hall Monday in Detroit. Clinton said she is in favor of a late-term pregnancy regulation when asked whether there should be any restrictions at any stage of pregnancy.

“I have been on record of a late pregnancy regulation that would have exceptions for the life and health of the mother,” she told the audience.

Earlier in the evening, Sanders said he would support abortion at any time, when asked about it by Fox News host Bret Baier. “I happen to believe it is wrong for the government to tell a woman what to do with her body,” Sanders said.

http://www.ibtimes.com/fox-news-democratic-town-hall-live-updates-hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-face-2331908

Fox News Democratic Town Hall Live Updates: Hillary Clinton, Bernie Sanders Face Michigan Voters...

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Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 9 at 2016 8:28 AM

LCDR Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 09 Mar 2016 08:28:33 -0500

I'll qualify my response by stating that I'm personally against abortion. That cleared up, I think many liberals (I wouldn't consider myself one, but I seem to know a lot) overthink the issue more than "blindly support" a position. Few reasonable people want to "impose" something on strangers whose challenges they don't understand. However, a study of various statistics indicate that less than 8% of pregnancies present true mortal risk to the mother, and even then...it's normally due to health issues with the mother herself, that make carrying the baby to term a risky proposition, rather than pregnancy itself. When my wife and I decided to have a child, we decided that whatever happened, if there was even the slightest chance of our child surviving...we'd take the educated risk. Part of that was obviously discussing my wife's physical readiness to carry a child to term in the first place. Even with years of study, preparation and planning on her part...we had "touch and go" moments with our child's pregnancy. Our blood types weren't right, his heart rate took too long to get up to "normal", she struggled with sickness second trimester, and labor was truly challenging...Today, we have a healthy (very healthy) little boy whose growing like a weed and promising to be a bigger man than his daddy. For my own part, I think we focus too much on granting "rights" rather than educating people to "responsibilities". If you're suffering from diabetes, cancer, heart disease, or are financially incapable of supporting the aspects of pregnancy...it may be unwise to engage in certain activities without taking precautions. For me, the entire abortion issue isn't as much about what a woman can/can not do with her own body...as it is how we as a society should view the awesome obligations and tremendous risks of conception.

Response by SGT Edward Wilcox made Mar 9 at 2016 8:29 AM

SGT Edward Wilcox — Wed, 09 Mar 2016 08:29:43 -0500

I do not support abortion anytime for any reason. Having said that, I do support the woman's right to choose for herself. It is important to note that Roe VS Wade was never about abortion, per se, it was about doctor-patient confidentiality. Specifically, the laws making abortion illegal were unconstitutional because they inserted the government into the doctor-patient relationship. Specifically, violating the woman's right to privacy. It is also important to note that no government on this planet, including our own, considered a fetus an actual person until it was born before the abortion debate started to heat up in the '70s and '80s. And many still don't.

Response by COL Jean (John) F. B. made Mar 9 at 2016 8:30 AM

COL Jean (John) F. B. — Wed, 09 Mar 2016 08:30:39 -0500

PO2 Mark Saffell I believe most do feel that way. Too bad their parents did not, as well.

Response by SSG Carlos Madden made Mar 9 at 2016 9:26 AM

SSG Carlos Madden — Wed, 09 Mar 2016 09:26:29 -0500

No. http://www.lifenews.com/2015/05/29/gallup-poll-54-of-americans-want-all-or-most-abortions-made-illegal/

Gallup Poll: 55% of Americans Want All or Most Abortions Made Illegal

A new Gallup poll finds a majority of Americans oppose all or most abortions even though some Americans who technically take a pro-life position opposing aborti

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 9 at 2016 9:31 AM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 09 Mar 2016 09:31:12 -0500

Liberals feel that way when they are running for office and do not wish to draw a contrast with their opponent that will splinter their supporters. It is politics, plain and simple.

Response by Capt Tom Brown made Mar 9 at 2016 9:32 AM

Capt Tom Brown — Wed, 09 Mar 2016 09:32:29 -0500

At least so far there are no women SMs commenting on this sensitive issue, only a bunch us of old white men so-to-speak. Ladies pls speak up on this if you have an opinion. After all, it's you we are speaking about.

Response by PO3 Donald Murphy made Mar 9 at 2016 9:36 AM

PO3 Donald Murphy — Wed, 09 Mar 2016 09:36:37 -0500

Who DOESN'T support abortion? Really? This case is from 1973. We've had five democrat and five republican presidents since then, NEITHER of whom have made ANY moves to abolish it or repeal it. So while I appreciate the zeal in looking for things to "hate the other party for" I think we can honestly say that the nation as a whole isn't in too much of a hurry to do away with it anytime soon.

As a side issue, I feel that if adoption was more affordable and less financially/emotionally dangerous, more people would do it. Who wants to pay $100000+ for a baby that the judge can come back 10 years later and GIVE BACK to the parents? Sorry. Not going there. Change adoption and abortion goes away/drops considerably.

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 9 at 2016 10:12 AM

CSM Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 09 Mar 2016 10:12:42 -0500

Most do simply because they have been conditioned to believe that they are victims. The democrats are a collection of "victim" groups. My sister is a liberal who absolutely believes that a woman has a right to an abortion at any time for any reason. I turned her logic on her and said that you should be able to kill your children up to the point they are potty trained because before that they are inconvenient and just a mass of cells. I was obviously kidding, but it led to a conversation where we talked about when life began.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 9 at 2016 10:36 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 09 Mar 2016 10:36:46 -0500

This question is generalizing all liberals. There will be some that do and some that don't.

Response by SPC Amber Kier made Mar 9 at 2016 11:43 AM

SPC Amber Kier — Wed, 09 Mar 2016 11:43:10 -0500

WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH THE MILITARY???? You could have posted this on your personal page as it has nothing to do with the military. But congrats on getting a litmus test on how many white males you can get to prop up your idea that you're still fighting an issue that was settled years ago. Go home gray hairs............

Response by Capt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 9 at 2016 11:54 AM

Capt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 09 Mar 2016 11:54:21 -0500

No, they do not. Instead the just say it is not a human, therefore .....

Tell a lie often enough and it is then perceived as truth.

Sorry folks. It IS a human.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 9 at 2016 11:57 AM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 09 Mar 2016 11:57:06 -0500

not all of them support it. However, to them, supporting either of these two buffoons is better than supporting their Conservative Counterparts. It comes down to other issues and where those knuckle draggers stand on them.

As a former Democrat, I never supported abortion, but eventually realized Socialism really is not what I wanted for my country. Socialism is good for the military, but not for the government or country (for which it serves).

Response by Sgt Kelli Mays made Mar 9 at 2016 12:24 PM

Sgt Kelli Mays — Wed, 09 Mar 2016 12:24:29 -0500

and HRC was specifically asked and she danced around question without truly answering the question.

Response by SrA Edward Vong made Mar 9 at 2016 1:34 PM

SrA Edward Vong — Wed, 09 Mar 2016 13:34:29 -0500

Not all. I lean slightly towards the left (I guess one can call me a liberal) but I do agree with some right leaning policies towards abortion, such as the "grace period" in which you should be getting the abortion, or for other health related issues.

Many politicians (I've noticed) usually lean more right and more left while they are running for a position and they return to center left/right when they obtain that position.

Response by SPC David S. made Mar 9 at 2016 2:19 PM

SPC David S. — Wed, 09 Mar 2016 14:19:59 -0500

Currently, at least 38 states have fetal homicide laws and 23 states have fetal homicide laws that apply to the earliest stages of pregnancy. So if someone can be charged with murder simply because it was done against the will of the mother what is the moral basis that differentiates the willing participation in feticide. At what age can you kill a child simply because its not what you want?
http://www.ncsl.org/research/health/fetal-homicide-state-laws.aspx

Response by COL Jean (John) F. B. made Mar 9 at 2016 2:42 PM

COL Jean (John) F. B. — Wed, 09 Mar 2016 14:42:34 -0500

Response by PO2 Mark Saffell made Mar 9 at 2016 2:51 PM

PO2 Mark Saffell — Wed, 09 Mar 2016 14:51:05 -0500

We have had a bunch of people reply and I want to say thank you. For the most part no one called others by nasty names. That's probably a first on this subject. I learned a few things about why people back one side or the other. I also learned that in most states if you cause the death of a baby while still in the womb you can be charged with Murder, however if the mother wants it done, nothing. I find that very unsettling and sad that just because she is the one that has to carry the baby she has the right to take its life. Id have a hard time explaining that to my kids

Response by PO2 Mark Saffell made Mar 9 at 2016 3:17 PM

PO2 Mark Saffell — Wed, 09 Mar 2016 15:17:44 -0500

Well I guess I pissed someone off because my question wasn't about Military. Did I miss a rule change someplace?

Response by Cpl Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 9 at 2016 8:58 PM

Cpl Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 09 Mar 2016 20:58:28 -0500

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWd-YM_e_f4

Carol Everett's shocking abortion clinic testimony

Carol Everett is a former abortion clinic owner. She reveals what really goes on behind the scenes, including how a woman's fears are preyed upon by a busine...

Response by Capt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 11 at 2016 1:37 PM

Capt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 11 Mar 2016 13:37:18 -0500

This discussion included some comments about people being charged with murder for the deatk of an unborn child.

The coroner in Pittsburgh, PA has just ruled the death of an unborn child in the backyard killing of five people a homoside raising the number of murder charges.