Disarming civilians, would you do it? https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/disarming-civilians-would-you-do-it <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>As we all know we all took an oath to support and defend the constitution of the United States against all enemies both foreign and domestic. If you were given an order to disarm civilians, would you do it? Assume that these civilians are peaceful and law abiding citizens. I would not disarm them. I understand another part of my oath is to follow all lawful orders of the officers appointed over me, but my main concern is the constitutional rights of the citizens of this fine country that I swore to protect. Sun, 31 Jul 2016 22:02:19 -0400 Disarming civilians, would you do it? https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/disarming-civilians-would-you-do-it <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>As we all know we all took an oath to support and defend the constitution of the United States against all enemies both foreign and domestic. If you were given an order to disarm civilians, would you do it? Assume that these civilians are peaceful and law abiding citizens. I would not disarm them. I understand another part of my oath is to follow all lawful orders of the officers appointed over me, but my main concern is the constitutional rights of the citizens of this fine country that I swore to protect. SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member Sun, 31 Jul 2016 22:02:19 -0400 2016-07-31T22:02:19-04:00 Response by SGT Damaso V Santana made Jul 31 at 2016 10:06 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/disarming-civilians-would-you-do-it?n=1766270&urlhash=1766270 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Oath is for life, I will defend it. SGT Damaso V Santana Sun, 31 Jul 2016 22:06:33 -0400 2016-07-31T22:06:33-04:00 Response by SPC James Harsh made Jul 31 at 2016 10:11 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/disarming-civilians-would-you-do-it?n=1766284&urlhash=1766284 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>There are benefits to staying in, you and your family will have access to safe quarantine while the country falls apart, you'll have access to vaccines and stuff, nothing wrong with that. If you choose that route than commit to it and take peoples gun. On the other hand, thousands of civilians would become criminals overnight. SPC James Harsh Sun, 31 Jul 2016 22:11:51 -0400 2016-07-31T22:11:51-04:00 Response by TSgt J.L. Brown Jr made Jul 31 at 2016 10:13 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/disarming-civilians-would-you-do-it?n=1766291&urlhash=1766291 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>nope, and for any one to give that order, its a unlawful one. I would turn in my uniform before i would obey such TSgt J.L. Brown Jr Sun, 31 Jul 2016 22:13:07 -0400 2016-07-31T22:13:07-04:00 Response by SGT Aaron Atwood made Jul 31 at 2016 10:24 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/disarming-civilians-would-you-do-it?n=1766326&urlhash=1766326 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Nope, especially knowing that the moment I hang up my uniform I become subject to the same disarmament. Lots of folks I know feel the same way. SGT Aaron Atwood Sun, 31 Jul 2016 22:24:01 -0400 2016-07-31T22:24:01-04:00 Response by SGT Damaso V Santana made Jul 31 at 2016 10:32 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/disarming-civilians-would-you-do-it?n=1766350&urlhash=1766350 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Only a Dictator, anti constitutional bastard, female or male would attempt to infringe the second amendment, our oath is for life. SGT Damaso V Santana Sun, 31 Jul 2016 22:32:04 -0400 2016-07-31T22:32:04-04:00 Response by MAJ Byron Oyler made Jul 31 at 2016 10:33 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/disarming-civilians-would-you-do-it?n=1766355&urlhash=1766355 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Posse Comitatus prevents Federal Government from using the military to enforce domestic rule and as such is an order you would be expected to disobey. MAJ Byron Oyler Sun, 31 Jul 2016 22:33:27 -0400 2016-07-31T22:33:27-04:00 Response by CPT Chris Loomis made Jul 31 at 2016 10:38 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/disarming-civilians-would-you-do-it?n=1766368&urlhash=1766368 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>SPC Cody Voye <br /><br />You've answered your own question (I believe). We've all taken the same oath. That oath in essence states that we must follow all LAWFUL orders. <br /><br />There needs to be an analysis and interpretation of the order and its lawfulness. <br /><br />Scenario: a large group of verified American citizens, declared domestic terrorists, that are trying to usurp the United States government as a whole and harm peaceful American citizens in the process.... FUCKIN A! If I'm ordered to lead Soldiers to disarm and/or apprehend them I will carry out that order to the letter using all force that is reasonable and appropriate. CPT Chris Loomis Sun, 31 Jul 2016 22:38:21 -0400 2016-07-31T22:38:21-04:00 Response by Capt Richard I P. made Jul 31 at 2016 10:42 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/disarming-civilians-would-you-do-it?n=1766380&urlhash=1766380 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>As you laid out the situation: nope. Capt Richard I P. Sun, 31 Jul 2016 22:42:00 -0400 2016-07-31T22:42:00-04:00 Response by SPC(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 31 at 2016 11:30 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/disarming-civilians-would-you-do-it?n=1766479&urlhash=1766479 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>The way you laid it out, absolutely not. SPC(P) Private RallyPoint Member Sun, 31 Jul 2016 23:30:15 -0400 2016-07-31T23:30:15-04:00 Response by LCpl Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 31 at 2016 11:37 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/disarming-civilians-would-you-do-it?n=1766494&urlhash=1766494 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Patently unlawful order. I don't think there's any question there. LCpl Private RallyPoint Member Sun, 31 Jul 2016 23:37:22 -0400 2016-07-31T23:37:22-04:00 Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 31 at 2016 11:39 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/disarming-civilians-would-you-do-it?n=1766502&urlhash=1766502 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>not now not ever SSG Private RallyPoint Member Sun, 31 Jul 2016 23:39:34 -0400 2016-07-31T23:39:34-04:00 Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 31 at 2016 11:59 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/disarming-civilians-would-you-do-it?n=1766535&urlhash=1766535 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Since the right to bear arms is an explicitly stated Constitutional right, AND the Constitution states any rights NOT SPECIFICALLY GRANTED to the federal government belong to the States and the people, I would NOT follow that order as it would be an illegal, and thus unlawful, order. SGT Private RallyPoint Member Sun, 31 Jul 2016 23:59:25 -0400 2016-07-31T23:59:25-04:00 Response by PO1 John Miller made Aug 1 at 2016 12:33 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/disarming-civilians-would-you-do-it?n=1766588&urlhash=1766588 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div><br />NEGATIVE. PO1 John Miller Mon, 01 Aug 2016 00:33:05 -0400 2016-08-01T00:33:05-04:00 Response by Cpl Mark A. Morris made Aug 1 at 2016 12:43 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/disarming-civilians-would-you-do-it?n=1766607&urlhash=1766607 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Greetings,<br /><br />The key is in following lawful orders.<br /><br />M. Morris RVT Cpl Mark A. Morris Mon, 01 Aug 2016 00:43:26 -0400 2016-08-01T00:43:26-04:00 Response by TSgt J.L. Brown Jr made Aug 1 at 2016 1:05 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/disarming-civilians-would-you-do-it?n=1766633&urlhash=1766633 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Did you see the interview where Hillary said she would use executive order to ban the ar15, when Chris ask her how they would accomplish it, Chris remarks were so you would go from house to house to take the weapons, Chris last statement was that's a dictatorship TSgt J.L. Brown Jr Mon, 01 Aug 2016 01:05:13 -0400 2016-08-01T01:05:13-04:00 Response by SGT Tony Clifford made Aug 1 at 2016 1:37 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/disarming-civilians-would-you-do-it?n=1766652&urlhash=1766652 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Any order which violates the constitution is unlawful. You would not only be duty bound to refuse, you would be duty bound to actively fight those who would follow the order. It also says "Bear true faith and alligence to the same." The constitution is were your true alligence belongs. If an officer were to give that order, everyone whom that order filtered down from would be an enemy of the constitution. You first and most important obligation is to defend it from all enemies foreign and domestic. SGT Tony Clifford Mon, 01 Aug 2016 01:37:08 -0400 2016-08-01T01:37:08-04:00 Response by Capt Seid Waddell made Aug 1 at 2016 1:55 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/disarming-civilians-would-you-do-it?n=1766665&urlhash=1766665 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I would not follow an illegal order - and that would be an illegal order. Capt Seid Waddell Mon, 01 Aug 2016 01:55:59 -0400 2016-08-01T01:55:59-04:00 Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 1 at 2016 3:11 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/disarming-civilians-would-you-do-it?n=1766699&urlhash=1766699 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Given the situation you stated, no. SPC Private RallyPoint Member Mon, 01 Aug 2016 03:11:11 -0400 2016-08-01T03:11:11-04:00 Response by SPC Les Darbison made Aug 1 at 2016 6:27 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/disarming-civilians-would-you-do-it?n=1766782&urlhash=1766782 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I'am wondering if this site is being used to check the plus of active duty , retired and all Vets . To be used against us as patriots , The party in power has at times honored the GROUPS OWS, and BLM to the point that they put Citizens lives and property at risk. With little or no repurcautions . Can and well we be manipulated it appears so . What do you think ? SPC Les Darbison Mon, 01 Aug 2016 06:27:20 -0400 2016-08-01T06:27:20-04:00 Response by SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth made Aug 1 at 2016 6:46 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/disarming-civilians-would-you-do-it?n=1766813&urlhash=1766813 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>No I would not, if there was a stand to take on our soil, I'd like there be more weapons against enemy forces than what the military had. SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth Mon, 01 Aug 2016 06:46:24 -0400 2016-08-01T06:46:24-04:00 Response by MSgt John McGowan made Aug 1 at 2016 7:20 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/disarming-civilians-would-you-do-it?n=1766855&urlhash=1766855 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>SPC I hope that order is never given. It would tear this country apart and there is some reason they want us disarmed. More than likely it not good. The super rich and powerful are hell bent on destroying the US. George Sorts operates at will and nothing is done. He pays protesters to create riots. I salute you all for your stand. It's one hell of a price to pay but if that day comes we have lost anyway. The US will be taken down. From within I will add. MSgt John McGowan Mon, 01 Aug 2016 07:20:29 -0400 2016-08-01T07:20:29-04:00 Response by LTC Stephen C. made Aug 1 at 2016 7:29 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/disarming-civilians-would-you-do-it?n=1766870&urlhash=1766870 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Molṑn labé. LTC Stephen C. Mon, 01 Aug 2016 07:29:56 -0400 2016-08-01T07:29:56-04:00 Response by CSM Richard Welsch made Aug 1 at 2016 8:13 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/disarming-civilians-would-you-do-it?n=1766977&urlhash=1766977 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>If I was ordered to disarm a civilian I would obey my CO orders.Their must be Intel we don't know about. I have seen protesters that were peaceful for 3 months just holding signs in Najif,lust a normal day in our safe house until at 13:00 HR they put down their signs and I remember a bullet fly right pass me while I Was working as a PMC. We already have PMC'S based in America in every major city incase a in case a national crisis happened.So a peaceful American that has a CC masons I would still obey the orders.Haji or not. CSM Richard Welsch Mon, 01 Aug 2016 08:13:51 -0400 2016-08-01T08:13:51-04:00 Response by SFC Alfredo Garcia made Aug 1 at 2016 9:40 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/disarming-civilians-would-you-do-it?n=1767175&urlhash=1767175 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>No. I would not follow the unlawful orders given by the domestic enemies. SFC Alfredo Garcia Mon, 01 Aug 2016 09:40:52 -0400 2016-08-01T09:40:52-04:00 Response by SFC Jeff L. made Aug 1 at 2016 10:02 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/disarming-civilians-would-you-do-it?n=1767263&urlhash=1767263 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>It has already happened, and US Soldiers were party to it. Following Hurricane Katrina in 2005 units of the LA Army National Guard assisted local law enforcement in confiscating firearms from law abiding citizens. Granted, the units were under the control of the Governor, and hadn't been federalized, but they were the same Soldiers and Commanders carrying out the illegal confiscation of firearms. The scary thing is that there are far too many service members who would carry out those orders again in the future. SFC Jeff L. Mon, 01 Aug 2016 10:02:34 -0400 2016-08-01T10:02:34-04:00 Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 1 at 2016 10:07 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/disarming-civilians-would-you-do-it?n=1767278&urlhash=1767278 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>NEVER SPC Private RallyPoint Member Mon, 01 Aug 2016 10:07:00 -0400 2016-08-01T10:07:00-04:00 Response by SGT Harold Slack made Aug 1 at 2016 11:09 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/disarming-civilians-would-you-do-it?n=1767488&urlhash=1767488 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>i dont think i would SGT Harold Slack Mon, 01 Aug 2016 11:09:48 -0400 2016-08-01T11:09:48-04:00 Response by SSgt Jim Gilmore made Aug 1 at 2016 11:54 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/disarming-civilians-would-you-do-it?n=1767642&urlhash=1767642 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Your oath was also to obey all lawful orders. IMO an order to disarm civilians is an unlawful order and in direct violation of the Constitution. SSgt Jim Gilmore Mon, 01 Aug 2016 11:54:00 -0400 2016-08-01T11:54:00-04:00 2016-07-31T22:02:19-04:00