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I have been on both sides of the Army Combat Arms and Combat Support and have come to realize that the Army is no where near held to the same standards on each side. In my experience in combat arms my units were we oiled and held to a higher standard with failure not an option, But then i move to the Aviation side of the house and Its the total opposite. Has anyone here experienced this as well and if so how did you deal with this new side of the army with little to none of your same value and standards you grew up with?
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Im a medic and a nurse and I've experience this quite a bit. I've been in BCT's with very high levels of discipline and structure, then PCS to a hospital and everyone is borderline civilians. No pt, no CIF issue, no haircuts, etc.
I think it comes down to the focus of the leadership of what's important and what's the mission.
I do think for the soldiers who start off in the hospitals it sets them up for failure when they PCS to a combat arms, TOE, unit, and don't talk to officers like their peers and what not.
For myself, I have to turn it down a notch or two when I get to the hospital because when you get fired up, everyone looks at you like your a complete lunatic for ripping a soldier who doesn't know what parade rest or saluting is. I can still enforce standards but I have to tone down my intensity. Then I go home and take it out on call of duty.
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well said. i'm headed to my first hospital assignment in ten years. i'm not sure what to expect. i've heard some of the horror stories. any tips?
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I've experienced this on three different levels. I was a medic that came up through the MP world. Discipline, standards, and training were taken very seriously. We did PT every morning, spent every Monday in the motor pool, and the NCOs were all about taking care of their soldiers. Then I went to a medical company in a BCT. The discipline was still there but the standards were lower than I was used to and we did very little training. The NCOs of that were a little lazier that I was used to and there was a lot of CYA decisions that were made at all levels.
Since then I've been in hospital units. It's a completely different animal. Everything is very political. It's not uncommon to see soldiers not stand at parade rest when talking to NCOs, or soldiers and NCOs not standing at attention to speak with an officer. Uniforms look sloppy. A lot of the officers don't even know how to put together their equipment to go to the range. The only time we go out and "play Army" is for AWT training once a year. Most of the NCOs I've come across are more worried about what additional duties they can take on to make their NCOER look good than taking care of their section.
I've always found it very frustrating. But even as and NCO I'm usually pretty low on the totem pole. I have learned to pick my battles carefully.
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I have been in an artillery unit and an MI unit and I will say they both didn't seem to uphold the standards of the Army that I hear about from many soldiers. Although these were NG and Reserve units.
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