Did anyone else catch the "When on a military installation, civilian headgear will be removed indoors IAW established norms."

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 Apr 2014 12:20:24 -0400

Per AR 670-1, 3-9., c. - We need to remove our civilian headgear when indoors on post. Wasn't tracking that one!

Response by MSG Jose Colon made Apr 3 at 2014 12:31 PM

MSG Jose Colon — Thu, 03 Apr 2014 12:31:15 -0400

I had not seeing that one. I do it automatically anyway, reflexes after 27 years active.

However, It might cause protocol problem when we have civilian guests,not DA Civilians nor former military), in our installations for specific activities.

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Apr 3 at 2014 12:33 PM

SFC Michael Hasbun — Thu, 03 Apr 2014 12:33:04 -0400

I was never aware of the regulatory requirement, but I assumed it was a cultural norm..

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 3 at 2014 12:44 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 Apr 2014 12:44:42 -0400

I mentioned that to the Wife the other day.

Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 3 at 2014 2:26 PM

SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 Apr 2014 14:26:15 -0400

I usually remove my civilian headgear anyway. I always have even before I joined the military. It use to be the norm in the civilian world that men remove their hats indoor.

Response by SSG Jonathan Rowley made Apr 3 at 2014 8:28 PM

SSG Jonathan Rowley — Thu, 03 Apr 2014 20:28:28 -0400

That is a pretty common norm in the Marine Corps at least. I haven't heard too many people mention anything about it in the Army. The Marines group that practice into Customs and Courtesies and it is very enforceable like hands in pockets, chewing gum while walking, hands in pockets, wearing sunglasses indoors, etc... When I was active duty Marine Corps I was corrected on almost every one of these which is why to this day I don't wear hats, sunglasses, chew gum, and I dont even put my hands in my pockets while in civies. Even crossing your arms is unacceptable unless you are in charge.

Response by Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 24 at 2014 8:01 AM

Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 24 Dec 2014 08:01:47 -0500

Should be fun enforcing that one on the dependents.

Response by SGT Michael Igel made Jan 11 at 2015 1:43 PM

SGT Michael Igel — Sun, 11 Jan 2015 13:43:07 -0500

I believe this was going to be one of the proposals when SMA Chandler assumed responsibility. I remember reading it, but do not believe it ever made it into writing. With that being said, it is not the gospel lol

Response by SGT Michael Igel made Jan 11 at 2015 1:44 PM

SGT Michael Igel — Sun, 11 Jan 2015 13:44:10 -0500

Oops, reading is fundamental! I guess it did make it..

Response by SGT Michael Glenn made Jan 11 at 2015 1:48 PM

SGT Michael Glenn — Sun, 11 Jan 2015 13:48:34 -0500

I simply loath someone prancing into my house with head gear of any sort on, I think I got the hatred from the red necks i dealt with in Georgia, or maybe it was the pride I showed while I was active duty, either way you will not come into my house wearing head gear of any sort. Yall come back now...ya hear !!!!!

Response by A1C Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 11 at 2015 4:00 PM

A1C Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 11 Jan 2015 16:00:09 -0500

It's rude to keep a hat on inside, at least that is what I grew up being told. It's also a habit now that I'm in to take off any headgear I happen to be wearing when I get into a building.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 9 at 2015 3:26 AM

CW3 Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 03:26:13 -0500

So if you decide to go the gym/exchange/commissary/mwr facility/boss lounge on a day off its now illegal, and every one is ok with that? Perhaps this should be worded to say defined places of military duty. There's worse things our leaders should worry about than a retiree or soldier wearing a football hat in the commisary on Saturday.

Response by MAJ Jim Steven made Feb 9 at 2015 3:47 AM

MAJ Jim Steven — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 03:47:04 -0500

What are "established norms?"
So the Army is now going to tell me how to dress as a civilian as well...?

Response by SPC Charles Griffith made Feb 9 at 2015 3:56 AM

SPC Charles Griffith — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 03:56:54 -0500

Remember if you are armed you are supposed to be under cover.