Could the National Guard be used in a creative way to provide ongoing security at public schools?

CDR Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 16 Feb 2018 08:00:54 -0500

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 16 at 2018 8:44 AM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 16 Feb 2018 08:44:41 -0500

Posse comitatus would seemingly preclude that.

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 16 at 2018 8:51 AM

LCDR Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 16 Feb 2018 08:51:01 -0500

Unfortunately, it all comes down the money Sir.

I have little doubt there's more than adequate willing volunteers from the Guard, Reserves, etc...but to make it "work", you'd have to essentially activate all these people for a long enough period of time to not only use them, but train them. Could be 24 to 36 month orders. Can the money be "found"?...certainly. Will state and federal legislatures find it? Probably not.

Then, there's the issue of critical manning. Reservists and Guardsmen with civilian LE experience or MOSs containing those competencies may or may not come in sufficient numbers. Even if they did, the training for this application would by necessity, require different skill sets. You start "recruiting" for this position, and there will be impacts on the already strained career management and retirement system.

Lastly, there's the question of infrastructure. A couple of skilled guys in battle rattle can handle most situations...but not if they don't have the monitoring and security systems in place to identify, interdict and manage threats. As I heard it, two SROs were present during the shooting in Florida...if true, the shooter somehow got in, wreaked havoc, and tried to make an escape...all within six minutes. These preventative systems also cost money...money that is hard to come by.

I'm normally not an advocate for "more government oversight", but in this case, it may take exactly that. If legislators would make funding a priority and find the money...a practical solution could be implemented. It would take a public willing to turn schools into veritable fortresses, complete with check points, armed presence, strict protocols for access and egress, etc. It would fundamentally change how we look at our security and require educators, administrators, lawmakers and the public at large to rapidly adopt a new mindset.

I believe the "long view" on this problem should include targeting the factors that create "monsters"...but in the immediate, it is going to take policy makers on both sides of the "aisle" to stop squabbling about rhetoric and implausible measures...and start looking for the wasted or misused funds that could make it a reality.

Response by Cpl Bill Fleischauer made Feb 16 at 2018 9:34 AM

Cpl Bill Fleischauer — Fri, 16 Feb 2018 09:34:20 -0500

No disrespect intended, but more gov't in our public schools?
Quick, name two things government does well.

Response by MSgt Steven Holt, NRP, CCEMT-P made Feb 16 at 2018 9:49 AM

MSgt Steven Holt, NRP, CCEMT-P — Fri, 16 Feb 2018 09:49:01 -0500

CDR Private RallyPoint Member - Sir, it's just my opinion but why would you pay for the expense to call up National Guard troops to do something many able-bodied Retirees and former service members would be happy to do on a volunteer basis? There would be a minimal cost to the local Sheriff Dept for training and possibly equipment/uniforms but I would surmise it would be much less than paying to activate a Guard unit.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 16 at 2018 11:21 AM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 16 Feb 2018 11:21:06 -0500

CDR Private RallyPoint Member you could legally do that, but who will front the costs? Will the perception be worth it as some may see it as marshal law and the military instead of the ARNG doing state mission.

Response by CW3 Kevin Storm made Feb 16 at 2018 12:01 PM

CW3 Kevin Storm — Fri, 16 Feb 2018 12:01:43 -0500

I myself would say no. This is not something the Guard should or could do.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 16 at 2018 12:51 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 16 Feb 2018 12:51:46 -0500

yes I think so but it will require lots of state funding, it probably be cheaper to hire outside contractors or hire more Police Officers.

Response by SGT Christopher Hayden made Feb 16 at 2018 6:37 PM

SGT Christopher Hayden — Fri, 16 Feb 2018 18:37:35 -0500

You're willing to foot the bill and pay these guys to stand around for the very small chance some kid comes in to shoot the place up? We hear about these shootings happening, but think about all the schools that never have it happen. And not to mention, instead of one AR firing around a large group of kids, you want to add more? No thanks.

Response by SFC David Bentley made Feb 18 at 2018 1:02 PM

SFC David Bentley — Sun, 18 Feb 2018 13:02:28 -0500

Well as a matter of history the Guard did such a mission in the wake of 9-11. I got called up in 2001 and spent 9 months at the MRY airport. I don't know if we accomplished anything other than deterrence. However Operation AEROSAFE as it was called was massively expensive. We had guardsmen at the Golden Gate Bridge until 2003 on full per diem and BAH. I think local law enforcement school resource officer funding is a much better option.