Common core, opt out or good idea?

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Response by Capt Richard I P. made Apr 27 at 2015 12:19 PM

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Survey needs more options. I'd say yes to both.

Is a common standardized core curriculum developed by educators and optional for states to adopt a good idea? Probably so.

Should states be able to opt out, should parents be able to educate their children as they see fit? Absolutely.

Response by 1SG Scott MacGregor made Apr 27 at 2015 12:18 PM

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The common core test is just a gauge to see how effective teachers perform. Therefore teachers teach the test. The test itself doesn't influence the students grade or assist in getting into a college. It is a waste of time and energy for the whole education system.

Response by SGT James Elphick made Apr 27 at 2015 12:34 PM

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I always say of Common Core, good idea bad execution. Having a common standard for all schools to go off of, if they so choose, is a good idea but it is poorly done and overly complicated. Also, states should be able to opt out of it is they do not wish to participate.

Ideally though I say do away with most of the Dept of Ed and allow local school boards and states to make their own curriculum. There should be some oversight to ensure that the curriculum meets some types of standards but each school, school district, and state have different student demographics and thinking that a one-size fits all model is going to cover everyone is asinine.

Finally, why do we need all of the standardized testing? If you want to go to college there are already entrance exams such as the SAT and ACT and many jobs now require some type of skills test.

I'll leave this as well as evidence as to why there is an impetus behind Common Core. When state school boards do this type of thing people demand action.
http://www.therevisionariesmovie.com/

Response by CPT Zachary Brooks made Apr 27 at 2015 12:38 PM

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"It is the duty of the State to educate, and the right of the people to demand education." - Edmund Baton

It is within the established duties of our government which is by the people and for the people to provide an educational environment for all and it is up to the individuals and their families to strive for education (which this country is failing at).

"When the state or federal government control the education of all of our children, they have the dangerous and illegitimate monopoly to control and influence the thought process of our citizens." - Michael Badnarik

Keeping in mind the comments on the first quote, it should also be a demand of the people for the opportunities to choose the type and manner of their child's education. Using the example of the students in Seattle that refused to show up for their standardized tests, it has shown that the students are allowing themselves the right and desire to take control of their own educations. Sadly, it appears the State may have other ideas for that:
http://personalliberty.com/education-secretary-says-feds-may-step-in-over-common-core-opt-outs/

"To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize"

Response by Col Joseph Lenertz made Apr 27 at 2015 12:39 PM

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Opt out. The Federal Government has no constitutionally enumerated role in education. So the states own it, constitutionally.

Allow the states to meet their own educational needs, and allow citizens the ability to judge amongst competing models, and move to their state of choice if they want. Initially, some states will get it better than Common Core, others will do worse. The losers will learn from and emulate the policies of the winners.

If we only hired teachers from dedicated Teachers Universities (Finland model), killed teacher's unions and their protection of horrible teachers and felons, and allowed student tiering based on scholastic aptitude, our national education ranking would shoot up from #14 to #5.

Response by SGT Lawrence Corser made Apr 27 at 2015 12:41 PM

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I am currently in college as an accounting major and some of the math 6th graders get in this common core is out control difficult. I took it to school to show one of my professors and he said it makes no sense.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 27 at 2015 12:43 PM

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Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 27 at 2015 1:44 PM

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This is a really volitile subject. You may "break" Rally Point, 1SG Scott MacGregor! Common Core is a horrible idea. I don't even really want to get into it, because it will be hard to step back down off of my soap box if I do. My wife and I homeschool our children, and Common Core is a big (although not the biggest) reason why.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZEGijN_8R0

Arkansas Mother Obliterates Common Core in 4 Minutes!

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Response by PO2 Kevin LaCroix made Apr 27 at 2015 1:48 PM

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Common core means more work and resources, but can start to level more kids to a higher basic level. The bigger issue, in my opinion, is communities that do not care about education and changing behaviors.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 27 at 2015 1:56 PM

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Thought you were talking NCOES common core........