Posted on Jul 16, 2015
SFC James Rigdon
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Can you get your security clearance upgraded if you need it for a job after you transition. I currently require a higher one that I have and it is basically the only thing keeping me from qualifying for the job.

If not how do you go about it on your own, the Company I am interested in said they only hire personnel with the clearance. If I had to pay for it how much would it cost me. thanks in advance
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As a former Security Manager, I dealt with clearances daily for years. First, I'd like to clear up a few misconceptions from Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS's post.

There are 4 types of investigations, mostly revolving around National Agency Checks:
-- The lowest is an ENTNAC (Entry NAC). It is used only for entry processing, and since 2008 **MAY NOT GRANT A CLEARANCE**. The key distinction is that an ENTNAC doesn't end up being adjudicated for clearances, but is instead entirely responded back to the entry processing facility as fast as can be done. The idea is quick suitability determinations, so that recruiters can do their jobs, and most of the process is automated.
-- The next level is a NAC-LC (NAC with Local agencies check and Credit check). This is the standard investigation used for military and GS positions, from those requiring "Public Trust" up to the SECRET level eligibility.
-- Next is the ANACI (Advanced NAC with written Inquiries). This is a more in-depth version of the NAC-LC used for certain case-by-case scenarios for military/GS as well as most contractors requiring SECRET eligibility.
-- Finally we have the SSBI (Single-Scope Background Investigation). When renewed, it is called an SBPR (Single-scope Background Periodic Re-investigation). This is the standard for anything above SECRET, including TOP SECRET, SCI (Sensitive Compartmented Information), and SAP (Special Access Program) eligibilities. Note that SCI and SAP may be at a lower classification than TS at times, but that it requires the same clearance to access. Some SAPs also require more actions.

Of these, only the SSBI/SBPR involves sending out an investigator to interview you, your friends, your family and pretty much everyone else listed on the form.

As for re-investigations, a SECRET eligibility lasts for ten years before having to be renewed, calculated by the CLOSED date of the investigation. If it's not, it will drop down to CONFIDENTIAL eligibility (which is basically equivalent to "public trust") for an additional five years before expiring entirely. As long as the investigation is SUBMITTED AND APPROVED to open by OPM in the same month as the prior investigation CLOSED, you're automatically granted continued access while the investigation (and adjudication) is processing. A TOP SECRET eligibility lasts for five years before it must be renewed, and if it isn't, it lapses to a SECRET for a further five, and then down from there.

Also, in case you ever hear them, a SECRET eligibility is roughly analogous (and uses the same investigations) as a Depratment of Energy "L"-Clearance eligibility, and a TOP SECRET eligibility is roughly analogous (and uses the same investigations) as a Depratment of Energy "Q"-Clearance eligibility.

Once the clearance eligibility is out of the way, there's one other hurdle that some positions require: a polygraph. Setting aside for the moment the scientific concerns about whether polys even work, there are two of them you might see. The first (and more common) is called a Counterintelligence-scope (or "CI" for short) poly, and the second is a Lifestyle-scope poly. The CI is generally considered pretty routine and focused, while the Lifestyle one is famous for making grown adults break down in tears at times. While many people get only a CI one, if you get the Lifestyle one you're almost always getting both, and the combination is called a Full-Scope poly.

Now, as to your real question, the necessary precursor to being selected for a higher-level investigation is NEED-TO-KNOW. Simply put, the function of your job must require that level of access. Sometimes it's by rank (E-7+ and all Officers require a SECRET as a minimum). Sometimes it's by job (anyone working in Intelligence requires TS/SCI as a minimum). Sometimes it's by task (accessing NSA-Net requires TS/SCI plus a CI-poly). Sometimes it's by work location (permanent assignments at NSA require TS/SCI plus a Full-Scope-poly). So the key is that your work will dictate what you're allowed to be INVESTIGATED for, and the investigation will determine whether you're actually permitted to DO your full job. Sometimes, if you can get your Commander (I would recommend at least an O-5) and security manager to concur, they can write a memorandum that will allow you to get the higher investigation. Those are scrutinized pretty thoroughly, though, and actually have to have some meaningful justification.

What you can't do is simply self-sponsor for a clearance. The system simply isn't set up for that, even if you're ready and willing to shell out the cash.

Also, do understand that it is becoming increasingly common for employers to predesignate that you must have eligibility before applying. A lot of times, this is because the contract position doesn't give them the authority to sponsor applicants. Sometimes, it's because the employer doesn't want the risk that you'll get the clearance then bail the next day to a better job (the investigation costs them a pretty penny -- an old 2009 figure suggests that the FLOOR for a SSBI is around $10k). One thing to keep in mind is that while contractors absolutely can make the clearance a precondition, government positions cannot require you to have a clearance already, or give preferential treatment to potential hires who already have it (they can only make successful attaining of one a condition of keeping the job).
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PO3 Nichalas Enser
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Will add one tidbit for the civilian side - some *great* information from MAJ (Join to see) !

You still need the company to hire you and to have them put in the request, et cetera, but, as with benefits and such, it comes down to the green-backs. Most companies are afraid that they will pay for an initial clearance or upgrade, only to have the prospect bolt with their shiny new clearance.

If you are looking at a dream-type job, have good resonance with the prospective team, and the contract is just beginning (or will be continuing for at least a few years) have known folks who have offered to put up half or all of their company's costs as part of their compensation package negotiations. If you do not have the actual cash on-hand, perhaps work out only having a week of leave for the first X years, if they normally offer two+, forgo a match on your 401K for a defined length of time, et cetera.**

Heck, just by offering, that may signal to them that you are *that* serious and they may go ahead and hire you and sponsor your application/pay for the upgrade, themselves. It never hurts to ask!

**Ensure that you have everything detailed and signed-off by someone of corporate-officer-level if it is an agreement that varies from their standard boiler plate 'offer'.

Best of luck, SFC James Rigdon !
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LCpl Dan McTiernan
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Good luck on that one! If that route is an option one should be sure all is outlined in the offer letter and have an employment attorney with contract experience review the offer agreement.
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SGM Senior Adviser, National Communications
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Excellent answer...we have a lot of civilians that confuse "clearance" with a real security clearance level vs a local credit check.
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Thank you so much for this break down. I went from Govt, to Contractor, and now I'm going back to Govt (7 Aug) I knew my NACLC was just renewed until Aug 2024. But my new Govt job requires a ANACI. Until the E Qip system comes back on line I had to complete the 127 page SF86 by hand.
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CAPT Kevin B.
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OK, a lot of bum dope on this one as my Contracting Officer alarm went off. A company requiring you to go through the hoops on your own for a clearance isn't proper and you can't get a clearance on your own anyways. Also it's improper for a for your former command to process anything on you. In fact, when you transition out, your existing clearance must be terminated. When the Government contracts with a company for goods/services that must be performed in a classified environment, that company must first be corporately cleared, have it's own clearance management system, and essentially provide the same service to its employees the front end of your old security office used to do. There are standardized contract clauses which are included along with site specific tweaks as needed. So the way it works, you do the paperwork provided by the company who in turn reviews/submits it through the host security office. It follows the normal process from there. I visited my old stomping grounds a week ago and my security bubbas told me everything has shifted back to paper due to the OPM hack. So it takes longer nowadays. What can speed up say restoration of a TS would be if your SSBI is still current. Those records stay in the system. That may be what the company is looking for because they can't wait for the processing time and local interim clearance is a nonstarter. There is a process to validate the "need to know" and it's tightly run.
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PO2 Robert Cuminale
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A family member who works as an engineer on Federal construction projects in DC was required to have a T/S clearance. A retired FBI agent came to my home to discuss him. He was a contractor for the FBI.
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SGM Senior Adviser, National Communications
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Note: Clearance documents are supposed to be removed from 201 file and destroyed; some contractors handling outprocessing hand the papers out to the servicemember.
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LCpl Dan McTiernan
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If one offers to me as an employer to pay for a clearance, in addition to knowing you can not do so, you may sound desperate to me and that is not attribute likely to get you to the hiring manager.
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SFC Ronald Burris
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Being an Army Retiree and Retired Civil Service Supervisor, You can get your security clearance updated. On my installation, we used the Post Security Office to have our security clearances updated as a requirement for all new Civilians. So, if You are going Civil Service, You will have an opportunity to get a security clearance and IF you are required to have a Top Secret Clearance in your Civilian Job, You will have the opportunity to obtain it.
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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS
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Generally speaking, when you join you have either a NAC (National Agency Check) or an ENTNAC Entrance National Agency Check) completed. Those needing a TS+ get a NAC, while everyone else gets an ENTNAC. Your SRB will show which you got.

It's not a matter of "upgrading your clearance" it's more a matter of having the proper investigation done for said clearance in advance. An ENTNAC takes a proverbial 15~ minutes to complete. It just uses all the standard information that is provided on your entrance forms, includes a criminal background check, and a few other things and a local commander can grant an "Interim Secret" (good for 1 year) pending final approval. A NAC however is significantly more complex and actually involves a real person visiting people that knew you during the last 10 years (investigation period), a more in-depth background check (including financials), and a "need" which is usually based on Billet (your job has to require the clearance).

That said, it is "unlikely" as a HR Specialist you would require a TS/SCI clearance in the military. It's just hard to justify.

As for paying for it yourself, I don't even know if that is possible. Last I checked, it was conducted by OPM, and I don't even know if there is a means for individuals to start the process for themselves. But you can try contacting them.
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SFC James Rigdon
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How do people that haven't served get TS clearances if they don't pay for them?
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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS
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SFC James Rigdon There are two (main) "types" of clearances. Government & Industrial. When you serve or work for the government, you get a Government clearance (NAC/ENTNAC), and the Government pays for that. When you are a a contractor, the contracted organization pays for it (Industrial). However "converting" a Government to an Industrial clearances is essentially "free" (significantly reduced cost) hence why most companies prefer you already have one. It boils down to them not having to pay for the investigation, which means more profit.

They absolutely can request an investigation, however because of the time requirements, and the cost issues, it is generally not worth the hassle for most companies to do so. Why spend $X and a 6-12 months on a clearance investigation (in addition to paying you for that time) only to find out that you aren't eligible.
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MAJ Intelligence Officer
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The reason for what's stated above about the GOV vs INDUSTRY part, is that the actual investigation is the same, the difference is who foots the bill with OPM for the investigation, and who adjudicates the results to determine final eligibility. For Government, all of the DoD adjudication is done through DoDCAF (DoD Consolidated Adjudications Facility). For Contractors, the "collateral" eligibility (everything up to TS but not including SCI) is granted by a separate organization called DISCO, while the SCI part (if needed) is granted by DoDCAF. DISCO automatically trusts any adjudication made by DoDCAF, but DoDCAF will not trust the adjudications of DISCO and insists on re-adjudicating the investigation (even though they may have already looked at it for SCI reasons). This is why it's easy to go from government clearances to contractor, but why contractor to government is more complex.
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Sgt Andrew McFall
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SFC James Rigdon - There are several basic Criteria for TS. One of the most heavily weighted is JOB FUNCTION. Then behind that is NEED TO KNOW for specific information. In this day and age, another piece is what is termed "susceptibility to coercion", which can cover just about anything from personal financial responsibility to psychological issues. The combination of all of these can make/break a person for life
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