Can one extrapolate a sense of Anti-Semitism from the Obama administration in correlation with recent events at the UN?

CW2 Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 29 Dec 2016 11:37:42 -0500

We all have been continuously bombarded with words such as racist, bigot, and sexist well before and after November 20. Can the recent inaction of the US in regards to Israel be considered Anti-Semitism?

Response by MSG Brad Sand made Dec 29 at 2016 11:39 AM

MSG Brad Sand — Thu, 29 Dec 2016 11:39:19 -0500

Yes, of course they can. I do not think it really is, I think it is really a pro-Arab stance that ends up appearing anti-Semitic? I think too many people forget that Barack Obama Sr. was of Arab descent and not African in the views of his fellow Kenyans.

Response by SSG Drew Cook made Dec 29 at 2016 11:42 AM

SSG Drew Cook — Thu, 29 Dec 2016 11:42:30 -0500

To support an aggressive campaign of expansion, pushing people out of their homes and creating violent tension between two-plus ethnic groups and giving a bad name to good Jewish people is much more anti-Semitic than anything. Sounds a lot like the US.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 29 at 2016 11:43 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 29 Dec 2016 11:43:56 -0500

What else could five billion a year in aid to Israel and refusing to vote in support of the condemnation against Israeli settlements mean?

The President isn't anti-Semitic, anti-Israel, or even neutral when it comes to Israel... he simply isn't as rabidly pro-Israel as some conservatives.

Response by CPT Jack Durish made Dec 29 at 2016 11:59 AM

CPT Jack Durish — Thu, 29 Dec 2016 11:59:50 -0500

President Obama and John Kerry have made anti-semitism safe in the halls of the UN

Response by Sgt Wayne Wood made Dec 29 at 2016 12:05 PM

Sgt Wayne Wood — Thu, 29 Dec 2016 12:05:20 -0500

Yes.

Response by LTC Trent Klug made Dec 29 at 2016 12:28 PM

LTC Trent Klug — Thu, 29 Dec 2016 12:28:07 -0500

I wish I had a good answer to your question. I won't go as far as to say its anti-Semitism, but I think the administration definitely supports the Palestinian Authority much more so than any other time in the history of Israel's existence.

I have no problem with what Israel is doing in regards to building homes in territory it won due to the 6 Day War. Israel didn't start that fight, but they sure ended it. Keeping the lands gained during a war (again, not started by the Israelis) is normally what happens, except when some one or some thing (the media) says its conquest.

Response by MSgt George Cater made Dec 29 at 2016 12:42 PM

MSgt George Cater — Thu, 29 Dec 2016 12:42:01 -0500

Ya think????? There are some things so obvious as to make discussion pointless.

Response by SGT Cort Landry made Dec 29 at 2016 12:51 PM

SGT Cort Landry — Thu, 29 Dec 2016 12:51:02 -0500

I don't think it is Anti-Semitism as much as this Administration would rather give Arab nations the benefit of the doubt when it comes to peace with non-Arab nations. This is where I think he took the wrong turn with relations to Israel. Considering Israel is smack dab in the middle of a hostile region, they get the brunt of it. I for one think the United States doesn't do enough for Israel.

Response by Cpl Justin Goolsby made Dec 29 at 2016 12:58 PM

Cpl Justin Goolsby — Thu, 29 Dec 2016 12:58:19 -0500

Well as an example, this cartoon is from 2 years ago.

Response by LTC Trent Klug made Dec 29 at 2016 2:07 PM

LTC Trent Klug — Thu, 29 Dec 2016 14:07:18 -0500

Just to show how 'fair and balanced' the UN General Assembly is, here are the number of resolutions passed by the UNGA this year.
Israel: 20
Syria: 1
Iran: 1
North Korea: 1
Russia: 1

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 29 at 2016 2:09 PM

CW2 Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 29 Dec 2016 14:09:49 -0500

I believe Kerry's statement, "If the choice is one state, Israel can either be Jewish or democratic. It cannot be both. And it won’t ever really be at peace." Who is he to say what Israel can be? I find his 90-minute rant quite weak and somewhat insulting to Jews.

Response by SGT Richard Blue made Dec 29 at 2016 2:21 PM

SGT Richard Blue — Thu, 29 Dec 2016 14:21:32 -0500

The Israeli lobby in American politics is by far the most powerful lobbying interest group in our political system. This lobby spends millions of dollars to influence the opinions of both lawmakers and American citizens. Obviously the Israeli/Arab relationship is seriously strained and won’t be fixed overnight. That said, both sides have legitimate grievances. These grievances do not change the fact that settling captured land is against international law. To be more specific, “the settlements are in breach of Article 49 of the 4th Geneva Convention, which forbids an occupier from transferring its own civilians into the territory it occupies. Additionally, according to Article 55 of the Hague Regulations, the occupying power’s role is to safeguard occupied properties and maintain the status quo.”. Israel is party to the Geneva Conventions and these articles can’t be ignored.

My personal opinion is that America needs to take an neutral/objective approach to the situation or we need to remove ourselves from ever being a party in mediation or arbitration. Protecting a country from prosecution or criticism because they are an ally is counterproductive. We should expect all of our allies, Israel included, to follow international law.

Response by CW3 Kevin Storm made Dec 29 at 2016 3:11 PM

CW3 Kevin Storm — Thu, 29 Dec 2016 15:11:44 -0500

IMHO, no. Israel has put themselves into an situation over the years of occupation of building one new settlement after another in the occupied territories. Everyone and their brother has asked them to stop, as it it is really encouraging more actions from the Palestinian side.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 29 at 2016 5:04 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 29 Dec 2016 17:04:08 -0500

It has been the position of all recent US presidents that the Settlements are illegal, and are detrimental to ever reaching a two state solution. But until now, Israel has been allowed to continually violate international law and expand settlements while the US covered their ass in the UN, in an extremely hypocritical move. We in essence condemn the settlements ourselves, but would then veto any UN resolution that sought to condemn them. Obama finally took a small step towards aligning long standing US policy with our UN votes. But even he didn't actually have the US vote for the resolution, he just didn't stop it using the veto.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 30 at 2016 10:01 AM

CW3 Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 30 Dec 2016 10:01:23 -0500

The problem is that Israel is one of the third rails of American politics. You cannot openly criticize Israel about ANYTHING without being painted as anti-Semitic....and the government of Israel knows this. That's why they act as if they're immune to criticism.

The Holocaust was a horrible thing. I don't think it means that Israel gets to just block the path to a two-state solution. Let the Palestinians have the West Bank, and operate Jerusalem as a shared city.

Response by LTC Marc King made Dec 30 at 2016 12:23 PM

LTC Marc King — Fri, 30 Dec 2016 12:23:44 -0500

The actions taken by the Obama Administration in abstaining from an anti-Israeli vote in the UN it’s the final 30 days calls to the forefront a long-standing theory that perhaps Mr. Obama is a serious Muslim sympathizer if not a secretly practicing Muslim. An examination of the facts is in order here.

Since the formation of the Jewish State, one that comes from the turmoil and genocide of World War II, the Jews of Israel have maintained that they have a historical claim to the land that extends back over 5,000 years. There was in fact other “Tribes of Nations” that also lived on the land as we are told by the tales offered to us in the Bible. In support of full disclosure, I must admit that I am not a biblical scholar by any stretch but I do know enough to recognize that the Bible talks about the Hebrews and even recognizes that Jesus was proclaimed to be the “King of the Jews”! I do not recall that there was any mention of Palestinian Tribes, states, or entities of any sort. Romans… Yes! Philistines… Yes! Palestinians… No!

It was only after the Jews re-inhabited their historic homeland of Judea and Samaria, that the myth of an Arab Palestinian nation was created and marketed worldwide. Jews come from Judea, not Palestinians. There is no language known as Palestinian, or any Palestinian culture distinct from that of all the Arabs in the area. There has never been a land known as Palestine governed by Palestinians. "Palestinians" are Arabs indistinguishable from Arabs throughout the Middle East. The great majority of Arabs in greater Palestine and Israel share the same culture, language and religion.

Much of the Arab population in this area actually migrated into Israel and Judea and Samaria from the surrounding Arab countries in the past 100 years. The rebirth of Israel was accompanied by economic prosperity for the region. Arabs migrated to this area to find employment and enjoy the higher standard of living. In documents, not more than hundred years old, the area is described as a scarcely populated region. Jews by far were the majority in Jerusalem over the small Arab minority. Until the Oslo agreement the major source of income for Arab residents was employment in the Israeli sector. To this day, many Arabs try to migrate into Israel with various deceptions to become a citizen of Israel.
Even the Chairman of the Palestinian Authority, Arafat himself, was not a "Palestinian". He was born in Egypt. The famous "Palestinian covenant" states that Palestinians are "an integral part of the Arab nation" -- a nation which is blessed with a sparsely populated land mass 660 times the size of tiny Israel (Judea, Samaria and Gaza included).

So, with this understanding we also know that past US Administrations have supported the right of Israel to occupy the land that it conquered in the 1967 War, which it did not start but most certainly finished giving it access to such religious sites as the Western Wall in Jerusalem, the single must holy site in all of Judaism. It was taken by force, in combat with its Arab neighbors… to the victor goes the spoils… Until the Obama Administration. It should also be understood that past administrations have also suggested, cajoled, and asked past Israeli administrations to slow or limit the building of settlements in what is mistakenly called the “occupied” West Bank. Remember… to the “victor goes the spoils” … the West Bank is not “occupied” it has been legitimately annexed by Israel… facts on the ground!

Even then when pressed by the United States and others Israel saw fit, in the name of peace and reconciliation to abandon the Gaza Strip and return it to the Palestinian Authority… who still refused to recognize Israel’s right to exist. So, in the year 2016 and without any historical precedence or in accordance with the will of the population who elected him to office, President Barack Husain Obama tells his UN Ambassador to abstain from a UN vote that condemns the action of the State of Israel in occupying lands that belong to Palestinians and directs the State of Israel to return to 1967 pre-war boards, essentially cutting of access to the Western Wall. So how does all this take us to the open premise regarding Mr. Obama.

First let us consider the following: Deception, Lying and Taqiyya - Does Islam permit Muslims to lie?

Muslim scholars teach that Muslims should generally be truthful to each other, unless the purpose of lying is to "smooth over differences."
There are several forms of lying to non-believers that are permitted under certain circumstances, the best-known being taqiyya. These circumstances are typically those that advance the cause of Islam - in some cases by gaining the trust of non-believers in order to draw out their vulnerability and defeat them .

I believe that we all understand that if we do not practice the tenants of the Quran we are categorized as “non-believers” so therefore it is ok to lie to us to “gaining the trust of non-believers in order to draw out their vulnerability and defeat them”. Now before you get your knickers is a twist here and start slinging conspiracy theories and tossing invectives, take a close look at what the President has said about Israel in the past…

Jerusalem International Convention Center
Jerusalem March 21, 2013, 4:37 P.M. IST

“THE PRESIDENT: Thank you. (Applause.) Thank you so much. Well, it is a great honor to be with you here in Jerusalem, and I’m so grateful for the welcome that I’ve received from the people of Israel. Thank you. (Applause.) I bring with me the support of the American people -- (applause) -- and the friendship that binds us together. (Applause.)

Over the last two days, I’ve reaffirmed the bonds between our countries with Prime Minister Netanyahu and President Peres. I’ve borne witness to the ancient history of the Jewish people at the Shrine of the Book, and I’ve seen Israel’s shining future in your scientists and your entrepreneurs. This is a nation of museums and patents, timeless holy sites and ground-breaking innovation. Only in Israel could you see the Dead Sea Scrolls and the place where the technology on board the Mars Rover originated at the same time. (Applause.)
But what I’ve most looked forward to is the ability to speak directly to you, the Israeli people -- especially so many young people who are here today -- (applause) -- to talk about the history that brought us here today, and the future that you will make in the years to come.

Now, I know that in Israel’s vibrant democracy, every word, every gesture is carefully scrutinized. (Laughter.) But I want to clear something up just so you know -- any drama between me and my friend, Bibi, over the years was just a plot to create material for Eretz Nehederet. (Applause.) That’s the only thing that was going on. We just wanted to make sure the writers had good material. (Laughter.) I also know that I come to Israel on the eve of a sacred holiday -- the celebration of Passover. And that is where I would like to begin today.
Just a few days from now, Jews here in Israel and around the world will sit with family and friends at the Seder table, and celebrate with songs, wine and symbolic foods. After enjoying Seders with family and friends in Chicago and on the campaign trail, I’m proud that I've now brought this tradition into the White House. (Applause.) I did so because I wanted my daughters to experience the Haggadah, and the story at the center of Passover that makes this time of year so powerful”.

So, was the President just lying to his audience as the Quran directs? Because his actions and directions in the UN seem to run contrary to the elegant words spoken in the very city he would deny to Israel under the recent UN action. What does the UN resolution state?

It says in part that:

1. “Reaffirms that the establishment by Israel of settlements in the Palestinian territory occupied since 1967, including East Jerusalem, has no legal validity and constitutes a flagrant violation under international law and a major obstacle to the achievement of the two-State solution and a just, lasting and comprehensive peace

2. Reiterates its demand that Israel immediately and completely cease all settlement activities in the occupied Palestinian territory, including East Jerusalem, and that it fully respect all of its legal obligations in this regard

3. Underlines that it will not recognize any changes to the 4 June 1967 lines, including with regard to Jerusalem, other than those agreed by the parties through negotiations”

So, a lie in the interest of deception is no lie because “in some cases by gaining the trust of non-believers in order to draw out their vulnerability and defeat them”. Is not this what Barack Obama has done here? For 8 years, he has told the people of Israel he had their back. But the record reflects otherwise. The deal with Iran comes to mind first. A sworn enemy of Israel he has let Iran out of the box even if you believe that their nuclear ambitions have been curbed even for a short while… their ability to to finance and support state sponsored terrorism has been loosed on Israel and the world and they have not hesitated to flex their “conventional muscles” across the globe.

In the final days of his lack luster administration Barack Husain Obama has showed us who is really is. His newly acquired home in Washington, located in the Kalarama neighborhood of DC will be well positioned for him since he will be able to hear the call to prayer 5 times a day from the Mosque just down the street. The President of the United States has shown us and the world who he really is.