Can my unit send me to NTC if I am non-deployable due to being chaptered and not having a family care plan?

2021-09-25T17:20:13-04:00

So i just want to keep this simple and i dont want to argue, just advice.
ill go if i have to, been there once but I am confused

If i refused a FCP because my wife is enrolled in efmp and cannot drive to doctor orders until her third year of no seizures. My wife has left post due to inability to her not getting the help she needs under efmp, so we decided it was best for our son and her to go home. Meanwhile my PL has told me the intent is to not send me to NTC with the Unit. If we are going to NTC, and I am non deployable for two reasons, one for not having a FCP, and two Im getting administratively discharged doesn't that mean they CANT send me to NTC.

Does anybody have answers?

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 25 at 2021 5:32 PM

2021-09-25T17:32:33-04:00

So, you're saying you can't go to NTC because your spouse and child are somewhere else?

You are not a mandatory category for a family care plan, there is also no reason to believe that you need an FCP because your spouse doesn't drive. Lots of people have spouse's who don't or can't drive.

Not having a FCP doesn't mean you can't deploy, that's for people who have nobody to take care of their children while they are deployed. There is no reason that you would be non deployable.

Whoever told you that being processed for separation means you can't go to NTC, has no idea what they're talking about. The only time you won't go to NTC is once your separation is already approved and you have your separation orders in hand.

Response by SFC Kelly Fuerhoff made Sep 25 at 2021 8:32 PM

2021-09-25T20:32:14-04:00

Are they trying to send you or not? Because you just said your PL told you the intent is to not send you.

If you're already in the process of being separated, I'm not sure why they'd send you at all. I would think you'd just stay on Rear D. But can they send you? Sure they could send you.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 25 at 2021 10:13 PM

2021-09-25T22:13:15-04:00

Can your unit send you? Yes. They can. Will they? That's another question in itself. Now, your PL said the INTENT is to not send you. Intent is different from execution. You need to keep in mind that until you have your separation orders in hand, they can send you. You also need to keep in mind that missions, even an NTC rotation mission, requires a percentage of personnel to accomplish. For example, the powers that be could dictate that a Commander needs to bring at least 80% strength of the unit. That means that at least 80% of the unit need to be on the manifest and BOG to accomplish all of the tasks set forth for the rotation. Since you don't need a FCP, that is now a moot point because your wife is not present and is living at home...which I am guessing is a location where hers and/or your family is located. Therefore, she has assistance. What matters is your pending chapter and the ETA for your discharge orders to be in hand in comparison to lift off to NTC.

What you need to do....or at least what I recommend, is you have a sit down with your platoon leadership along with your Commander and 1SG to see what your status is in regards to know if you will be on the rotation manifest or not. If they say you are on the manifest, then pack your bags and prepare for 30 days in the desert box.

Response by SGT Robert Wager made Sep 25 at 2021 11:06 PM

2021-09-25T23:06:30-04:00

I’m going to answer this question probably the best way I know how. It really and truly depends on your CSM. If your CSM wants to drag all the chapters and profiles to NTC, you are going period, full stop. I have seen people with less than 30 days remaining after they got back from NTC go and get put on every miserable detail know to god and country simply because someone told a CSM he couldn’t send the chapter cases to NTC. Hell hath no fury like an E9 being told he can’t do something.

I don’t know your personal details or why or how you are getting chaptered out of the Army, but until the buses line up and leave without you I would not trust anything anyone says about whether you are going to NTC or not, unless you are physically clearing ost with orders in hand.

Response by SPC Rick HUnt made Sep 26 at 2021 2:13 PM

2021-09-26T14:13:22-04:00

Best believe they can send you to any and all ops until your final out physical. Situation dictates typically how far they want to go with it.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 26 at 2021 5:28 PM

2021-09-26T17:28:39-04:00

A family care plan is for single parents and dual military. It is not required for anyone that falls outside of those two categories.

Response by SFC Edward Ermey made Nov 10 at 2021 8:04 PM

2021-11-10T20:04:44-05:00

No, your unit can still send you. NTC is not considered a deployment, but a training exercise.

Response by SSG Gary R Peek made Nov 10 at 2021 8:30 PM

2021-11-10T20:30:05-05:00

As a past Platoon Sergeant I can tell you that your CMDR has ever right to send you to NTC. You can be used as a guard, office personnel, or anything he/she needs you for. I have had a few in the past that believed the “Shithouse Lawyer.” Not sure why you are being separated but as long as you have not been identified as a person suffering from a mental disorder you are as deplorable as your battle buddy. It is very concerning that your family being part of your unit was given no support. All soldiers must have a FCP prior to deployment as directed by your CDR. Not sure why you decided not to follow up with your PL on that because they are normally the ones who coordinate with other family members to assist when you are unable to be. I have no clue who you are or why you are being separated but something tells me that there is more to this then you are letting us in on. Hope this helps.