Can my new unit refuse promotion orders from my previous unit?

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 01 Jan 2021 16:26:38 -0500

I PCSed to my current unit in August but my previous unit signed promotion orders for me to be wavered to SPC effective 01 September. My current unit is refusing to give me the rank because it’s not their waiver. Are they actually allowed to do that?

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 1 at 2021 4:33 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 01 Jan 2021 16:33:11 -0500

If you werent assigned to your old unit on the effective date they wouldnt have been able to make the changes in the system. If so:for your new unit to promote you with waiver theyd have to use up one of their own to do it. Was this a sudden pcs?

Response by Col Tri Trinh made Jan 1 at 2021 4:49 PM

Col Tri Trinh — Fri, 01 Jan 2021 16:49:23 -0500

Your current unit should honor your prior unit's promotion orders (unless there's some valid cause for the current commander to withhold your promotion).
You should discuss the matter with your current supervisor; perhaps request a Commander to Commander call to see if your prior commander can call your current commander up and have your promotion honored. It does/should not hurt to ask.
I am former AF. Perhaps the other services operate differently.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 1 at 2021 4:50 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 01 Jan 2021 16:50:54 -0500

Your old unit doesn't have any authority to promote you because they no longer control you. Call IG though and make those guys do some work.

Response by SGM Bill Frazer made Jan 1 at 2021 9:17 PM

SGM Bill Frazer — Fri, 01 Jan 2021 21:17:34 -0500

Understand this- Promotions are controlled by the MTOE, which determines how many slots by rank there are in a unit. It sounds like your old unit had open SPC slots and your new unit does not. Yes, they assuredly can, Doubt 1 SPC slot is worth a battle with DA HQ.

Response by SSgt Christophe Murphy made Jan 2 at 2021 2:33 AM

SSgt Christophe Murphy — Sat, 02 Jan 2021 02:33:48 -0500

The short answer is no your previous command can’t promote you after you checked into another unit. Normally. But context is needed and it would cut through the red tape if you just put your supervisor in contact with your precious one to sort this mess out.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 2 at 2021 4:24 AM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 02 Jan 2021 04:24:46 -0500

Your old unit cannot grant you a waiver or promote you in September since you were no longer in that unit effective in August. Your new unit isn't likely to give you one of their authorized waivers because they don't know you and they probably have other deserving PFCs they are going to give their waivers to.

Response by CSM Darieus ZaGara made Jan 2 at 2021 6:05 AM

CSM Darieus ZaGara — Sat, 02 Jan 2021 06:05:09 -0500

I believe their point of contention to be valid, if your promotion requires their company waiver it was an inappropriate action by your former command. If the waiver carries over from your losing unit then their should be no problem. Speak with the unit S1.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 2 at 2021 3:16 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 02 Jan 2021 15:16:06 -0500

Based on what you said, you had already signed in to your new unit when your promotion orders were signed.

If your promotion orders are dated prior to the date you signed in to your new unit, they're valid. If they're dated after you signed in, they are invalid because that person was no longer your commander.

Response by SFC Luis Austin made Jan 5 at 2021 1:36 PM

SFC Luis Austin — Tue, 05 Jan 2021 13:36:32 -0500

The short answer is yes. Your loosing unit, since they were granting a waiver, should have pinned you on exit. Otherwise, you go on the OML of the gaining unit, and they are not going to use one of their waivers on an unknown. Usually, the gaining unit will go along, but if there is a slotting issue or a competition for waivers, you may find yourself in the wrong end of the deal.

Response by PO3 Scot Fahey made Dec 28 at 2021 7:14 PM

PO3 Scot Fahey — Tue, 28 Dec 2021 19:14:09 -0500

US Navy was promoted NAVY-wide. not by unit 1978 to 1984

Response by SFC Dennis Rodriguez made Dec 28 at 2021 8:29 PM

SFC Dennis Rodriguez — Tue, 28 Dec 2021 20:29:25 -0500

Waivers are allocated by unit so your new unit is correct. Your old unit should have waivered your advancement while you were still in their unit. Why would the new unit give you a waiver when they don't even know you. They are going to take care of the Soldiers that were there first. Don't makes waves, you will just proof that they were correct in not giving you the waiver. Gluck auf.