Can male soldiers wear lipstick, earrings and ripped clothes while off duty, but on post?

2017-04-22T11:01:55-04:00

Had an interesting moment where in a soldier had me direct dial his BN CMD while correcting him about him wearing black lipstick, earrings, finger jewlery and ripped pants.

The CMD informed me I needed to read the regulations, which I have done so.

As far as I've read and know, there has been no update that allows male soldiers to wear this off-duty while on post.

Response by LTC John Mohor made Apr 22 at 2017 11:30 AM

2017-04-22T11:30:10-04:00

Not sure where to begin on this one...not sure there is a right way to address it here so let the current Service members. Transgender still weren't allowed in when I retired.

Response by SPC Elijah J. Henry, MBA made Apr 22 at 2017 11:34 AM

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I am not aware of any regulations forbidding off-duty male wear of makeup, finger jewelry (rings?) or ripped pants, but I am pretty sure that we are never allowed to wear earrings or any other piercing jewelry.

Response by SSG Trevor S. made Apr 22 at 2017 11:35 AM

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I found nothing concerning makeup for male Service Members when off duty. Please remember that there are almost always local policies regarding civilian attire as well.
As for the rest of this the latest version of 670-1 that I know about says this:

1–13. Wear of civilian clothing
a.
Civilian clothing is authorized for wear when off duty, unless the wear is prohibited by the installation
commander in CONUS or by the MACOM commander overseas. Commanders down to unit level may restrict the
wear of civilian clothes by those soldiers who have had their pass privileges revoked, under the provisions of AR
600–8–10.
b.
When on duty in civilian clothes, Army personnel will conform to the appearance standards in this regulation,
unless specifically exempted by the commander for specific mission requirements.
1–14. Wear of jewelry
a.
Soldiers may wear a wristwatch, a wrist identification bracelet, and a total of two rings (a wedding set is
considered one ring) with Army uniforms, unless prohibited by the commander for safety or health reasons. Any
jewelry soldiers wear must be conservative and in good taste. Identification bracelets are limited to medical alert
bracelets and MIA/POW identification bracelets. Soldiers may wear only one item on each wrist.
b.
No jewelry, other than that described in paragraph 1–14
a
, above, will appear exposed while wearing the uniform;
this includes watch chains, or similar items, and pens and pencils. The only authorized exceptions are religious items
described in para 1–7
b
, above; a conservative tie tack or tie clasp that male soldiers may wear with the black four-in-
hand necktie; and a pen or pencil that may appear exposed on the hospital duty, food service, CVC, or flight uniforms.
c.
Body piercing. When on any Army installation or other places under Army control, soldiers may not attach, affix,
or display objects, articles, jewelry, or ornamentation to or through the skin while they are in uniform, in civilian
clothes on duty, or in civilian clothes off duty (this includes earrings for male soldiers). The only exception is for
female soldiers, as indicated in paragraph 1–14
d
, below. (The term “skin” is not confined to external skin, but includes
the tongue, lips, inside the mouth, and other surfaces of the body not readily visible).
d.
Females are authorized to wear prescribed earrings with the service, dress, and mess uniforms.
(1) Earrings may be screw-on, clip-on, or post-type earrings, in gold, silver, white pearl, or diamond. The earrings
will not exceed 6 mm or
1
⁄
4
inch in diameter, and they must be unadorned and spherical. When worn, the earrings will
fit snugly against the ear. Females may wear earrings only as a matched pair, with only one earring per ear lobe.
(2) Females are not authorized to wear earrings with any class C (utility) uniform (BDU, hospital duty, food service,
physical fitness, field, or organizational).
(3) When on duty in civilian attire, female soldiers must comply with the specifications listed in (1) above when
wearing earrings, unless otherwise authorized by the commander. When females are off duty, there are no restrictions
on the wear of earrings.
e.
Ankle bracelets, necklaces (other than those described in para 1–7
b
), faddish (trendy) devices, medallions,
amulets, and personal talismans or icons are not authorized for wear in any military uniform, or in civilian clothes on

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 22 at 2017 11:38 AM

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Sometimes, I really wonder why individuals join a team organization which requires uniformaty, customs, and structured rules since the 1800's. That, they think that some of the infractions are ok and question you or make you the bad guy because you have intergrity to pump the brakes. There is other terminology I want to use but this is not the place, so I will conclude with YIKES!!!! So not ok by any means. Hopefully, others will post a more educated reply. Good Luck

Response by SPC Erich Guenther made Apr 22 at 2017 12:00 PM

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This is probably why the Marines have a civilian dress code now across the Marine Corps. I will second the notion to check on local post or command policies on this. I think that is usually where the off post guidelines on dress code are defined...........(black lipstick, make-up, on a guy...where have we seen that before...lol).

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Response by CPT Aaron Kletzing made Apr 22 at 2017 12:48 PM

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I would check with your local command's policies on this.

Response by SPC Tj F. made Apr 22 at 2017 1:17 PM

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And so, queue TAPS, we say so long to the "Professionalism" aspect of our "elite" armed forces. All stand and cheer for the future pussification of America.

Response by Cpl Benjamin Long made Apr 22 at 2017 2:03 PM

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What... why is this a question? You pull out the registration and make him pour out where it says those are uniform items.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 22 at 2017 7:13 PM

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The way it reads to me... A Soldier can wear what he wants to as long as it's in good taste and doesn't violate any local garrison or unit policies on post. In good taste, to me, means clothing that is clean and serviceable, does not glamorize drugs and alcohol, and doesn't violate EO and SHARP policies.

Anyway, I don't care what a Soldier wears on his or her personal time. Don't forger that Soldiers are people who deserve their own individualities in their off time as long as it doesn't affect good order and discipline.

Response by SSgt Christopher Brose made Apr 22 at 2017 8:59 PM

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I remember when Dennis Rodman first came out with his line of men's nail polish. My very first thought was wondering how long it would take for the Marine Corps to ban it.

Response by SFC George Smith made Apr 22 at 2017 10:25 PM

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Most interesting... Looks Like the "Goth's" Have been allowed to run Rabid on Post...

Response by SFC Bruce Pettengill made Apr 22 at 2017 10:54 PM

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my response to his BN CMD, I have read many regulations, perhaps I have overlooked the regulations you are referring to. So I do not make this mistake again would you please direct me. However if I had come across this individual and he was not in my COC I would just walk away, I would have been shaking my head, but walked away

Response by SCPO Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 22 at 2017 11:09 PM

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That you should post this question is rather disturbing in and of itself.

Response by Capt Dominic David made Apr 22 at 2017 11:42 PM

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I got out two years ago but before revievehing my DD214 I was a MP CO in the Marine Corps, as such the UCMJ was my bread and butter. To my understanding you were

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 23 at 2017 2:20 AM

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What in the actual fuck? I had a buddy wearing diamond studs driving on post get escorted to his commander and reprimanded on the spot. How could this possibly not be enforced???

Response by COL Charles Williams made Apr 23 at 2017 2:26 AM

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No.

Response by Capt Seid Waddell made Apr 23 at 2017 3:32 AM

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Lord have mercy! It's not your Daddy's military any more, is it?

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 23 at 2017 6:14 AM

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AR 670-1 states that male soldiers are not authorized to wear earrings. Until their gender is officially changed by DEERS on the DA 1172 and ERB they will follow all regulations as a male. This issue needs to be brought to the chain of command to fix the infraction. There is also a blurb within the regulation that addressed ripped clothing and maintaining a professional appearance while in civilian clothing.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 23 at 2017 7:44 AM

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I'd like to mention I know both these soldiers personally. This NCO is trying to harass this soldier. For one, the soldier was not wearing earrings. For two, this is overseas in Japan were there is no dress code policy. For three, please watch what you say as this is the soldiers lifestyle off duty and it is not your place to judge or imply they are unprofessional, as we have soldiers that are both transgender and homosexual, just because it doesn't fit your heterosexual discriminative culture doesn't make it wrong either. And lastly, if the BN CMD is telling you it's right, who are you to question it? Unless it is morally or ethically wrong. The commander told them what's up, and they're continuing to choose to haze/bully this soldier. So think before you make a nasty comment about this soldier or your version of off duty professional appearance, especially because there are other cultures out there other than Westernized culture. This post is an investigation waiting to happen, and oozes both toxic leadership and bad, old Army ways.

Response by SCPO Morris Ramsey made Apr 23 at 2017 9:38 AM

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Is the homosexual lifestye widely accepted in the active ranks now. This would appear there is still some resistance to deviate behavior on post.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 23 at 2017 5:02 PM

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My brain slipped a gear reading this.

Response by Cpl Justin Goolsby made Apr 23 at 2017 6:06 PM

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Well... I don't know about Army... but in the Marine Corps, that definitely doesn't fly. Thanks for this though. Definitely gave me a good laugh and morale boost to start my day.

Response by MSG James Hughs made Apr 23 at 2017 10:14 PM

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Been awhile since I read the regs....they may have changed.....but as I recall there are no provisions that prevent the wearing of black lipstick ear rings etc off duty on or off post.
As I remember it vaguely alludes to "appropriate attire".....or basically leaving it up to the local command to establish local standards. With the new policies regarding homosexuals and transgender I am guessing these standards are currently somewhat relaxed. While neither you nor I will ever be caught dead dressing like that......I think you should shift your focus to how the uniform is worn and leave the off duty attire to his chain of command.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 24 at 2017 8:50 AM

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Let's go down the list:
1. Black lipstick - nope. Females can't wear that color either, so that rules out any transgender loophole.
2. Earrings - nope. Not for males.
3. Finger jewelry - has a limit of two rings. More than that is wrong.
4. Ripped pants - local judgment call. For me, depends on where the rips are. IE knees maybe, crotch or backside exposed whole lot of nope.

Back in my day, a joe walking around like this would not make it far before a flock of NCO would descend and regulate. How this is no longer the case is mind-boggling to me.

Response by SGT David T. made Apr 24 at 2017 9:41 AM

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A Soldier can do whatever they want. That is the beauty of free will. If it was me back when I was a NCO, I probably wouldn't have said anything to them. I definitely wouldn't say anything now. I really don't care what someone does off duty as long as it doesn't affect their job. I guess that makes me a bad NCO, good thing I took of my Sergeant stripes many years ago :)

Response by SSgt Boyd Herrst made Apr 24 at 2017 11:30 PM

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I look at it as a no -brainer.. why would a person want to do that? Are they missing civilian life that much? Reads like inability to adapt to Military ... When I joined I was already programmed.. I knew there were things I had to give up.. I was ready to. To me wearing the uniform of our country was an honor and I would represent my service and country wherever I went. Which meant behaving in a way that would bring credit to my uniform and country. And when not wearing it I would still be a representative and still conduct my self as would be expected as if i were in uniform. When in the AFJR.O.T.C. I always tried to remember what was expected in and out of uniform. There were guys I knew in school that had tried the J.R.O.T.C. I emphasized that even their conduct out of uniform needed to be above reproach... People see you out of uniform and when they see your conduct is about the same they will credit those that trained you. And if your conduct is negative they will think more needs to be done... I surmised they thought their life was done for if they stayed with it.. a few stayed a few years... and some were gone before that first trial time was over... I seen some that never got with it and they just existed, just mosey along
Through life.. no direction.. I just couldn't see myself like that.. I wanted the guidance and what the R.O.T.C. and the AF would teach me. .

Response by PO2 Jon Mccall made Apr 25 at 2017 8:41 AM

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I guess if your Liberal Democrat you would have no problem with and fight to have the G.O. changed to allow it

Response by CPT Jera Anderson made Apr 25 at 2017 9:25 AM

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21 years as an NCO who went 'mustang' and retired an O3 in `95. I could well be wrong with my .02 here but I'll contribute it anyway. Yes, it was a different Army back then. Still, I can't believe that much has truly changed.
The men in my platoons would have never stood for this and would have addressed the issue privately but quickly and without mercy. You embarrass the unit, you only did it once.
Nuff said.

Response by SSG Raymond Minze made Apr 25 at 2017 10:30 AM

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I've been retired for 15 years now, so I don't know what the current regulations say. However, I do know one think has, NOT CHANGED; when it comes to local Command Policies. A Commander can add to a regulation through Command Policies, but they CANNOT take away from any military regulations.

Response by SSgt Bruce Wood made Apr 25 at 2017 11:07 AM

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That should fall under the offence of conduct unbecoming of a Marine. I don't know how other branches should handle. I know when stationed in Hawaii we had a Corpal go to a nude beach and got his buttock extremely sunburned that he could not wear his uniform and he was charged with indecent exposure and conduct unbecoming of a Marine.

Response by TSgt Kenneth Ellis made Apr 25 at 2017 11:40 AM

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They could be performing in The Rocky Horror Picture Show. I'm be sarcastic.

Response by SFC Jim Ruether made Apr 25 at 2017 5:39 PM

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First of all why in the world would you want to dress like that?

Response by Sgt Thomas Proctor made Apr 25 at 2017 5:50 PM

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I can't say much about what goes on in today's military because I am from the old school (USAF 1959-1963), but I know that in 1960, on Pope Air Force Base you could get a write-up for wearing blue jeans to the mess hall while you were off duty.

Response by SSG Ralph Watkins made Apr 25 at 2017 6:03 PM

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You go by the current regs & enforce them. That soldier may not like them but they must comply with those regulations right up until they change. He can get busted down, punished, etc for disobeying the regs & the NCO's orders. Period. When the Army gets around to changing the regs, he can do whatever the regs says & nothing more. Also, it can still be up to the command to enforce it's own set of rules as long as they don't hinder his human rights (make-up is not a human right) or violated the current regs. Those of us who have served in special assignments know what this is like. Doesn't want to comply to the command's rules, ship him to a command that will allow this. Seen plenty of people shipped to other units for violating the command's rules.

Response by SGT Eric Hawkins made Apr 25 at 2017 6:37 PM

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I will NEVER forget this. We had a young soldier that was into Goth. He had been to a Goth club in Nashville the night before and had slept late. He reported to formation with black eye makeup on his eyes. Our Platoon Sergeant had a come-apart!

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 25 at 2017 7:54 PM

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Because I am retired, I will comment.
Why in hell would a man wear lipstick and ripped up jeans, anywhere!!! I understand that the Army is evolving BUT when in Rome, do like the Romans and not like the Spartans!
Sexuality and sexual orientation has gotten too much attention from the military community. Keep your sexuality private and come to work to do work. The sad thing is that if you give it less attention, the crazy attention seeking people will only amplify their actions, to get the desired attention. Gay marriage is ok, for those who want that, straight marriage is fine, for people who want that and the military has been more than accommodating. But, as previously stated, THE MORE YOU GIVE, THE MORE PEOPLE WILL TAKE! I don't care who does not like it but lipstick and ripped jeans are for for women and MEN don't do that, ON OR OFF POST! Get out of here with that craziness!

Response by SGT Mark Seymour made Apr 25 at 2017 8:22 PM

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Good Lord. Is this what the military has come to?

Response by SFC Steve Ouellette made Apr 25 at 2017 9:12 PM

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The CMD team was like some leadership that wants to look away because it is a touchy subject due to politics these days.. A BN command team cannot override 670-1 last time I checked... And that is not just "adding to" the reg as some would like to use

Response by SPC Claudia Marquez made Apr 25 at 2017 9:30 PM

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I guess it would depend on a few things: Are you talking like he's active duty or that he's guard/reserves? Off-duty I don't believe you can tell a soldier what they can or can't wear. Regardless on if they're on or off post. However if the Post Commander has added to the regs stating specifically that those things are not allowed on post who am I to disagree? Otherwise what they do while off duty (legally) is none of your business.

Response by SGT(P) Jazmin Johnson made Apr 25 at 2017 10:31 PM

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Unfortunately your establishment soaked in tradition and uniformity has been attacked by the social standards of "accepting without question". I believe that the military should stay as such, we have a job to do and shouldn't have time to conform to the milenials agenda.
I realize I'm low on the todom pole as of now, but some day...

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 25 at 2017 11:27 PM

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Ok let's stop right their! I'm all for flaming individuals and their rights and your personal choice! A lot of these individuals make outstanding soldiers! But NO! I do not agree when a female soldier off duty on base dresses like a $2 hooker! And I do not agree that a male dresses like the damn crow with no hair!

I hate to be controversial, but the buck has to stop somewhere! if your going to a crazy club where you dress like this then ok that's one thing. But save the on base costumes for Halloween and Mardi Graw if your stationed out that way!

Uniformity is a time honored tradition! Your part of legacy! You should be honored to be a part of.
Just my thoughts on this subject!

Response by Lt Col Jim Coe made Apr 26 at 2017 11:05 AM

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Well, that's stretching "freedom of expression" quire a lot in my opinion. I don't like the look, but if it's not prohibited or dangerous then I don't suppose there's much you can do about it.

Response by Capt Tom Brown made Apr 27 at 2017 7:35 AM

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This is the kind of question which could only come up in today's modern Army.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 28 at 2017 11:33 AM

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I may be wrong in this, however it is my understanding that while off duty but still on a military instillation you are required to still show a professional appearance. Not to be sexist but as it being a male, most people can pick a male military member out from a mile away by the haircut, and someone that is showing such appearance as what is stated would not be considered professional in my opinion. As I stated I may be wrong, but I was under the impression that most if not all instillation's expected a professional appearance.

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made May 2 at 2017 10:13 AM

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So, let me see if I can summarize and clarify the situation. A male 'soldier' was discovered on a military base, wearing lipstick, makeup and other appearance enhancing material in rip jeans. An 'on the spot' correction was attempted. Whereas the offending soldier responded that the correcting individual needed to confer with the offending soldier's Chain of Command to confirm that the soldier was not violating policy. As a result of communication with the Chain of Command, it was inferred that there would be no correction. I think I have this correct. If not, feel free to jump in with both feet.

So, my first observation is that we are living in a post-Obama era. People can be whatever they want to be (male can be female, female can be male, or they can choose a non-binary gender, etc.). This is similar to our former 'Be All You Can Be' marketing motto but not in the manner we expected. Secondly, over the years, the ability to correct poor or unacceptable behavior has deteriorated to a point that it is safer not to correct. Parents can't paddle children, for fear of being labeled as an abusive parent. Drill Instructors cannot raise their voice to recruits, for fear of being labeled abusive. Organizations cannot enforce organizational standards of decency for fear of being labeled racists, misogynists, homophobes, etc. Finally, I am reminded of a standard I was taught and taught myself as an NCO, 'unenforced standards, set new standards.'

To be clear, our society and the military that represents the society is changing, it always has. The question is, does this change interfere with the ability to perform our mission 'to fight and win America's wars?' If it does, then leaders have a responsibility to know and enforce the regulations. If they refuse to, then they are not leaders. The decline in our military's leadership skills is the main reason I departed the military and I suspect, it is the main reason most leave the military. As I am retired, I can't do much about anything in the military beyond influence today's leaders. Unfortunately, there is no AR 670-1 jail.

Response by SPC Franklin McKown made May 2 at 2017 7:40 PM

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GEEZE!

All I wanted was sniper as a 19D and THAT made TRADOC mad ...NOW this...HOW long before the "SOCIAL EXPERIMENTATION" gets D THE FUCK Xed

Response by CW5 Sam R. Baker made May 10 at 2017 8:49 AM

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I'm having to clean the screen on the laptop after my coffee left my mouth just reading the question! Thanks, needed this on HUMPDAY!

Response by PO1 William "Chip" Nagel made May 10 at 2017 5:54 PM

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Lipstick and Earrings Clash with My Entire Wardrobe! Now My Torn Jeans from the Buckle are Pretty Damn Expensive and I'm Not Giving Them Up. I rather Like "Styling" in Torn Jeans (Actually I'm So Friggin Tall Buckle is the Only Place I can Buy Jeans).

Response by PO1 Robert Johnson made May 10 at 2017 6:18 PM

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My response is based on my career in the USN which was completed in 1990 so bear that in mind. I can not understand a person who voluntarily enlists in an organization known for strict standards of discipline and dress code and then is unwilling or unable to follow the policies, procedures and standards which have been the basis of that unit almost since inception. Not in all cases by any means, but in far too many cases, I can't help to place some of the blame on recruiters who have numbers to meet and the non-coms in basic and advanced training facilities for not carefully screening these recruits before they reach their permanent first assignments. Todays entitled generation do not realize the importance of the difference between civilian and military life. They need to be trained in ALL aspects of the military, not just in their specialties.

Response by SFC James Shanks made May 10 at 2017 6:36 PM

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I am so glad that I am out of the Army. This whole issue is ridiculous. NO!!! You can not , as a male, wear earrings on post. The Army is a time honored tradition of Soldiering and discipline,not bowing to every snowflake wanting to be different. Every day, it is just getting easier to get anything to become a fad. If you identify as something you weren't born as. Maybe your MAMA did not hold you enough and your uncle held you to much.

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made May 16 at 2017 10:18 PM

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Say What??????

Response by SSgt Brad Becker made May 18 at 2017 6:09 PM

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Oh Hell no, that dog don't hunt.

Response by SFC Alvis Petrey made May 20 at 2017 12:13 PM

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We use to have real men in the Military. I spent 20 years in the US Army and never heard of the bs that goes on now.

Response by 1SG James Lyon made May 21 at 2017 8:37 AM

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Leaders have a responsibility to enforce regulations through on the spot corrections. On the spot corrections are the basis for good discpline. Just because we have been directed to allow LGBT in the military does not mean that the appearance standards have changed or need to change. In order to make valic corrections the leader must 1. know what the standard actually is 2. Have the bearing that will motivate the soldier to make the correction and 3. Have the sense of duty to ensure that the correction is made. The military is only as good as the leaders at every level make it not just the ones on top.

Response by SGT Josh Johnson made May 21 at 2017 9:50 PM

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Regulations also include post, or Division, policies, as well as individual command policies. They cannot detract from Army-wife regulations, but can add to, based upon a commander's interpretation of the intent of which adds to an Army regulation, then it becomes regulation. When I was stationed at Ft. Stewart, GA, command policy dictated what could and could not be worn, or done while occupying any space attributed to the Division commander's scope of command. It is the commander's right to expect that you follow those rules while on his post. It also stated what you could and could not wear while off post, if you were, in any capacity, able to be recognized as representing his division (whether intentionally or not).

Response by Cpl Joshua Caldwell made May 21 at 2017 10:15 PM

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Did the Army run out of blankets? There should be a blanket party in that soldiers room, until that soldier decides to correct himself.

Response by SSG Michael Burdiss made May 22 at 2017 1:39 PM

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Wear whatever you want at this point. Trans in the military and you even care anymore, everything goes.

Response by SSgt James Tadlock made May 24 at 2017 5:40 PM

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Not "NO", but "HELL NO"

Response by CPL Paul Balares made May 24 at 2017 9:10 PM

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Halloween would be the perfect time.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 25 at 2017 1:55 PM

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This issues has been brought up many times. So I will not re-comment on the same things that all these NCOs have stated other then refer to AR 670-1. This change came out in 1998 or 1999. The the bigger issues it the new soldiers coming in the military aren't being properly instructed and reinforced. Team leader and squad leaders need to re enforce the meaning of regulations and good order and discipline. Leadership needs to be more involved with this newer kinder gentler Army.

Response by CPT Larry Hudson made May 25 at 2017 4:42 PM

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There are no good old boys clubs and dress code cultures while off duty but still occupying space within the boundarys of a United States Military Instillation. Decore is to be maintained whether on duty or off duty and in a manner that showes respect for ones self and character

Response by 1SG Marion "Ron" C. made May 26 at 2017 11:07 PM

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Although this is an older post, I just saw it for the first time today. I have read most of the comments (so many on here), so I will try to put my retired two cents in.

The regulation has, and has for many many years, stated professional appearance on and off duty. Also, I have not seen anyone post that a command can add to, but not take away from an Army Regulation (AR). Even if a command has established a civilian uniform regulation, it cannot contradict the AR. In this case, it clearly states professional image (formally appearance). Interpretation of the regulations has always been an argument, but if the NCO deemed the clothing to be inappropriate, the Battalion Command (all NCOs in that command) should have supported the NCO making the on-the-spot correction. By not supporting the NCO, the leadership at that Soldier's battalion has degraded the correcting NCOs authority as an NCO. This is not a matter of what many have argued, whether in uniform or not, whether on-post or not, it is a matter of pride in oneself and upholding traditions and being self-respecting. Now, different generations have a different understanding of what may be deemed self-respecting, but not having a professional military appearance is unacceptable. This goes for on-post and off-post attire. According to AR 670-1 paragraph 3-9 10 April 2015,
"b. When on duty in civilian clothes or off duty and outside of their personal dwelling, Army personnel will present a professional image that does not detract from the profession, unless specifically exempted by the commander for specific mission requirements.
c. Soldiers are associated and identified with the Army in and out of uniform, and when on or off duty. Therefore, when civilian clothing is worn, Soldiers will ensure that their dress and personal appearance are commensurate with the high standards traditionally associated with Army service. Commanders are charged with determining and publishing the local civilian clothing policy. When on a military installation, civilian headgear will be removed indoors in accordance with established norms".
With these two paragraphs, it is clear that no male or female is allowed to wear black lipstick. It has already been mentioned about the earrings. As for the "ripped" pants, any military uniform that is torn beyond repair or has holes is unserviceable, so too are the pants when one associates the clothing to the above paragraphs. While on active duty would I have worried about the pants, that would depend upon what the pants looked like. Since we do not have an exact description, I probably would not have worried about them. As for the lipstick and earrings, for me I would have done exactly what SGT Colin Gunter did and approach the Soldier with the on-the-spot correction.

Response by Lt Col Phil Henning made May 27 at 2017 10:33 AM

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An installation Commander had the authority to set dress and appearance standards for everyone on base/post. It started with t-shirt logos, etc but this would seem to be eligible for restrictions on base.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 28 at 2017 4:41 PM

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This makes me not want to Army anymore...

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 28 at 2017 4:55 PM

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Whenever a lower enlisted soldier says "look at the regulation and quote or something of that nature that means either a) he's been cherry picking regulations and doesn't know them as well as he thinks he does or b) is bluffing in the hopes that you really don't know the regulation.

In this case, this little mouth breather is as wrong as a cat and dog humping. AR 670-1 clearly outlaws all of these behaviors, some regardless of gender.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made May 28 at 2017 8:06 PM

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This androgynous thing you know seeing the hair bands with the rock and roll guys from all the heavy metal bands was always androgynous seeing Steve Bono and even Ozzy Osbourne wear black fingernail polish which I think is a laughable goth trait. There are bands at War eyeliner and lipstick like the New York Dolls back in the 1970s. They weren't that popular but then in the early eighties you had alternative music bands like Duran Duran, Culture Club and Boy George and The Cure that was late 70s early 80s. 554 now and that music came out when I was 18 to 24 so I laugh now when I see people try to emulate those and think they try to be real cool.

Response by MSgt Roger Hoyle made Jun 3 at 2017 3:35 PM

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No. The military is not the place for male lipstick. Get another career field somewhere else.

Response by CPO Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 5 at 2017 9:06 AM

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Is the Soldier in question "transitioning"? If so, then YES, regulations allow a male Soldier to dress as a female during non-duty hours as part of the transition process.

Response by SPC Byron Skinner made Jun 6 at 2017 5:43 PM

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Sp4. This is almost a silly question. When on Post you wear the uniform on duty. Off Duty you wear civilian clothing as prescribed by Post regulations (this use to be an individual Post regulation, not Army wide) Off POst as long as it doesn't identify you as a member of the military, feel free to wear and loot as you like. A story from the deep dark past. When I was in it was almost universal that females couldn't sea shorts on base. The typical regulation would read that females over 10 years old had to be covered to the knee by either a skirt or pants. Well fashion prevailed, I think it was during the Hot Pants era of the 70's and this regulation started to disappear. Npw almost anything goes, I've seen teenage girls at Miramar MCAS at the Exchange, i guess they were dependents, wearing shorts that where ripped to almost embarrassing places and their sixes are hanging out. The same garments wet on sale in the PX. You just have to roll with the times.

Response by Cpl Bill Johnson made Jun 9 at 2017 12:00 PM

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Lord have mercy

Response by MGySgt Gerry Sweeten made Jun 10 at 2017 1:03 PM

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Whatever happened to dress regulations while on base? And off base wearing of the BDU uniform? Everything has gone to hell in a handbasket as far as I'm concerned.....

Response by LTC Philip Park made Jun 10 at 2017 11:21 PM

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When I was active duty ( retired Hawaii National Guard) , we never had to worry about this. Under Clinton, it was don't ask don't tell. I really don't think that the Army should be a place where social issues need to be played out. If I saw a male soldier wear lip stick and other female accessories anywhere, I would be having a cow. I would find out that soldiers commanding officer and complain to him or her.

Response by SPC Michael Rotter made Jun 11 at 2017 1:00 PM

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Oh hell no you look like a soldier for 24 seven when you're on post and on duty

Response by Cpl Robert Robertson made Jun 12 at 2017 8:36 AM

2017-06-12T08:36:37-04:00

You are correct and when the PC meet the PLA or the KLA or ISIS the blood will flow and PCism does not make good troops, but the ranks gotta be full and the 10% vote....Good luck sir

Response by Cpl Robert Robertson made Jun 12 at 2017 8:38 AM

2017-06-12T08:38:15-04:00

You are correct sir.
When the PC meet the KPA or the PLA or isis the blood will flow...but until then, gotta keep the ranks full and the 10% vote.....good luck sir.

Response by SFC Steve Ouellette made Jun 15 at 2017 1:37 PM

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Male soldiers cannot on or off post..... Now if thy went thru sex change and their ID card represents them being female is the only other exception I could see them getting away with it. Obviously his chain was worried about ramifications and said screw army regs so they didn't have to hear anything about it.....

Response by SCPO Lonny Randolph made Jun 15 at 2017 2:39 PM

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Whatever your branch of service, you are on duty 24/7. That is the bottom line, if on liberty you are still responsible to be able to report for duty on recall. Part of the requirement for being ready to serve is to properly represent your branch of service both in appearance and in behavior. This is the crux of an article 134 violation. So, applying this to the matter at hand, no, a male may not wear lipstick, ripped pants and ear rings on or off base on liberty. Ya want to be a flaming individual do it after you leave the military, till then you have no right to be "special".

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 15 at 2017 7:53 PM

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To me the new soldiers and Marines etc. want the Armed Forces to aqueous to there ways. Well I have some news for you.... Rather your Active duty or National Guard, Reserves you have to ACT in a appropriate manner. Remember, you represent the U.S. and the component you serve. You are held to a higher standard than civilians. We are looked upon as respectful, and guardians to the republic. Take pride in yourself and your duty as a member of the Armed Forces.

Response by SSgt Brad Becker made Jun 15 at 2017 8:39 PM

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Hell No. Never. That's not ever, hell no.

Response by SSgt Brad Becker made Jun 15 at 2017 8:41 PM

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Freaks. Grow a beard, Get a Tato. any thing but dress like a little Nancy boy.

Response by Capt Jeff S. made Jun 15 at 2017 10:08 PM

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When I was in MECEP at UT Austin, I heard of an Aggie (Texas A&M) MECEP that was seen out in town (off duty) with an ear ring in his ear, by his MOI (Marine Officer Instructor... generally a Captain or Major).

That's all he had -- no women's clothes, no make-up, just an ear ring. Yarrrr Matey!

Suffice it to say, his MOI gave him the boot.

Response by CPO Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 19 at 2017 6:50 AM

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Keep in mind, the US Military (under Oh-bummer) decided to permit people who are transgendered. This includes people who have not performed the operation as it isn't a requirement. So it is legal if a man chooses to identify as a woman. I'm not a fan of the erosion of unit cohesion over a small percentage of the population, more am I a fan of the pseudo-science liberals are pushing to now claim there is a gradient of gender. Sadly, HE isn't wrong if HE claims to be a she.

Response by SPC Brian Stephens made Jun 23 at 2017 7:07 PM

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If they are in the Navy, of course. Anything goes. In the Army, they should man up. Seriously.

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 23 at 2017 11:59 PM

2017-06-23T23:59:08-04:00

Why get in a ruckus with BN CMD?

Response by SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth made Jun 24 at 2017 6:54 AM

2017-06-24T06:54:58-04:00

Is he Goth, or a cross dresser?

Response by SPC Rex Sr made Jun 28 at 2017 11:46 AM

2017-06-28T11:46:26-04:00

ONE SIMPLE ANSWER: HELL NO!!!!!!

Response by SGT Dave Tracy made Jun 29 at 2017 9:33 AM

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Never gave the legitimacy of it much thought, but I have seen it.

I once ran across a squad leader from my platoon at the Class 6 and he was sporting earrings, black jump boots, black lipstick, and...well, I can be charitable and say it was a kilt, but I'm not so sure that being so charitable means being correct. It was an ACU patterned, pleated...oh let's just pretend it was a kilt.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 30 at 2017 2:41 PM

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1. Someone just informed me that earrings can now be worn my males off duty with the latest update to 670-1 (I didn't read it myself)
2. There is a possibility that the Soldier you encountered is transgender, which could be why he confidently said " call my command" and the command asked you to "read the regulation" They might be speaking of the transgender policy. if that is the case, I know from what we were thought in school (I am a clinical social worker) that Soldiers are allowed to wear certain getups that would usually be reserved for the opposite gender. He told us a story of how he had to approve PVT Manny to wear some subtle makeup and lipstick while he was in prison as a part of his transition into female.

Response by Marlene Hessler made Jul 1 at 2017 9:19 AM

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Conduct unbecoming an officer?
Conduct unbecoming an enlisted?
Conduct unbecoming a man? (or a woman if slovenly torn clothing)
Conduct unbecoming a human being

Response by Cpl Todd Page made Jul 1 at 2017 10:26 PM

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OMG! I never thought I would say this.. back in the old days, I ripped an earring out of an ear attached to a pvt, in formation. I received an atta-boy from the CSM. I don't like the "PC" military

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 2 at 2017 6:37 AM

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Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 2 at 2017 6:37 AM

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What if he identifies as a female

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 2 at 2017 6:37 AM

2017-07-02T06:37:55-04:00

Glad I'm out yo shit is way outta hand

Response by SSgt Brad Becker made Jul 2 at 2017 9:05 AM

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Old Sgt Major used to say if being a Marine was a crime would there be enough evidence to convict you. In other words be a 110% dam Marine 110% of the time. Take pride in what you are and show it off to the world. Don't hide from it, wear your title with Honor. Another famous quote by a Sgt Major after many men got sick was Marines there is only one way to get clap of the yap and that's by eating that shit. Don't eat from the "Y" Gay or Straight follow the Military dress code and look like a Dam Marine, hell you earned it.

Response by CW4 Angel C. made Jul 2 at 2017 9:21 AM

2017-07-02T09:21:50-04:00

My initial answer was hell no but then again it wouldn't surprise me the way the military has changed the last few years.

Response by LCpl Cody Collins made Jul 6 at 2017 12:07 PM

2017-07-06T12:07:34-04:00

Why would a male anyone, want to wear Lipstick, ripped shirt or jeans, paint their finger nails ( like a woman ) and basically look like a Punta ? What is that individual trying to prove? Most likely that person will get his a** kicked, walking around on base looking like a Dork.

Response by SGT Patrick Hebert made Jul 11 at 2017 11:27 PM

2017-07-11T23:27:38-04:00

Where do they think they're at Hollywood article 15 should be given to all

Response by PO1 Charles Babcock made Jul 14 at 2017 10:31 AM

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It doesn't matter who you are, Male members should NOT "cross dress" while in the military. (Nor should females but that has never yet been an issue). Any branch of the military has ZERO need for the disruptive activities and attitudes involved with Trans-anything in the close environment involved.

Response by Sgt Heriberto Salinas made Jul 15 at 2017 12:45 AM

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I'm one to say, go ahead and let him serve his initial contract. At least we can say "he served ", but on his re - enlistment. His commanding officer needs an acceptable level of maturity, and ultimately clean up his act, before he signs off on his re - enlistment.

Response by 1SG Billy Gates made Jul 15 at 2017 4:23 PM

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I really do not think they should, I am a 40+ year TIS retired 1SG. I say hell no. 1SG Ret. Billy Gates

Response by PFC Lisa McDonald made Jul 17 at 2017 7:31 AM

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Drill sgts have always been transgender. Heck I remember one so confused he told me he was going to be my mom!
If you can't stop them from getting their freak on in uniform how you going to do it when they are in civvies?

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 22 at 2017 1:01 PM

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First of all a per AR 670-1 male soldiers are not authorized to wear earings period! On or off post....

Response by SPC Joseph F Dolloff made Jul 26 at 2017 2:40 PM

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Problem? I didn't notice any issues? Hahaha!

Response by Sarah Zayas made Jul 26 at 2017 4:19 PM

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This is interesting now that Trump made an announcement prohibiting transgenders from joining the Army.

Response by MSgt Mayo Sifford made Jul 29 at 2017 2:03 AM

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Why in hell would a "male soldier" want to wear black - or any other color - lipstick, ripped clothing or earrings? Recruiters must really be scraping the bottom to come up with such dummies.

Response by 1SG Charles Simpson made Jul 30 at 2017 1:33 AM

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Any male human being who wears lipstick, earrings, ripped clothing or adheres to any other of the ridiculous, childish fads of the civilian culture is not, has never been nor will ever be a soldier. Soldiers are willing to accept the atmosphere of regimentation and brotherhood at all times while serving in our military forces because they know it is necessary to win the battle and protect those civilian misfits back home. If you don't want to be a soldier 100% of the time, stay home with those misfits and let the willing soldiers do their jobs without distraction.

Response by MSgt Wes Tracy made Jul 30 at 2017 1:30 PM

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They should not be doing that in uniform. If they are not in uniform, though, and it is still physically hurting you, please see a doctor; there could be some other reason for your pain.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 2 at 2017 1:55 PM

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Actually with the new updates male Soldiers are now allowed to wear earrings while in civilian clothing OFF duty. I do not have the regulation in front of me so I do not know the date of 670-1 but I actually briefed my Soldiers on this a few weeks back. As far as nail polish that is still a no-go and the ripped clothing you would have to refer to local post policies. For example Fort Benning does not allow the wear of tank tops unless you are at your place of residence or in a fitness facility. Hope this helps

Response by 1SG(P) Richard Warren made Aug 6 at 2017 4:32 PM

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Without reading any other responses here; No. The regs CLEARLY spell out that you will maintain a respectable military standard of dress, even when off duty. I know JBLM says no males will wear piecings of any type, on or off duty, while on post.

Response by Sgt Heriberto Salinas made Aug 6 at 2017 10:35 PM

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I know, and I know that there is no regulation that says military personnel cannot listen to crap, I mean RAP music, but they do it anyway. I find that to be offensive.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 6 at 2017 10:35 PM

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I see nothing wrong with it I wear earrings everyday.

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 7 at 2017 7:08 AM

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I'm a play it safe and say A LOT of Soldiers haven't attended the transgender training with its multiple scenarios.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 7 at 2017 9:20 PM

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It's my understanding under the current AR 670-1 that even off duty or while on leave/pass, if I enter a military installation, I still have to have a clean-shaven face. That being said, I'm quite confident this Soldier was WAY outside the regulation by his attire and appearance.

Response by MSgt Jim Bain made Aug 13 at 2017 7:18 PM

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Back when I retired in 1997, if some one even brought up a question like this, they would
probably be sending him to over to the medics for a drug test! Good Lord, bring back the good old days!

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 13 at 2017 8:40 PM

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This situation here could be a double edged sword. It could possibly be transgender phase, who knows...... but his command knows what is going on.

Response by PO2 Buddy Stewart made Aug 13 at 2017 10:58 PM

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Hmmm, this is a really interesting question for me. I joined the Navy late, very late. I was 29 years old when I went to boot (the cutoff at the time was 34). The other recruits looked at me like I was some crazy old man, and compared to them being 17, 18 and 19, I suppose I was. Prior to joining the Navy, I was a long hair rock an roller and played in a lot of rock bands, and I do mean long haired. I could post some of those photos and you'd laugh your @#!! off. But here's the thing. The Navy didn't call me up or knock on my door and say 'hey Buddy, we'd really love it if you could come hang out with us'. I made a decision to join the Navy. And being mature (yes in spite of my rock an roll stuff I was still mature) I felt personally that I needed to follow the rules, abide by the codes, extend the respect required and deserved to my fellow military members and Officers appointed above me, and generally take it seriously. I would have never have done what was described in the posted question and I don't approve of it. Period. Here in the civilian world, I don't care if you want to do it and would never say anything about it. But if your in the service, I just don't think it's conducive to good order and discipline. Perhaps I'm old fashioned after all.

Response by SPC Micheli Neal made Aug 14 at 2017 11:07 AM

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If his commander had no problem with it, then you shouldn't have. Please don't try to disguise bullying with adherence to tradition.

Response by TSgt Jim Gregg made Aug 16 at 2017 8:34 AM

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Back before I retired from the AF in 2000, the earring issue was usually up to base commander. Ripped up jeans if worn from use maybe would fly. But black lipstick I think would only work if you were wearing camo face paint!

Response by MSgt Sally Whitehead made Aug 16 at 2017 9:34 AM

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I am retired military and for 23 years while I was active duty you represented the military 24 - 7. The military isn't or wasn't a 9-5 job. So unless the regulations have changed, what you are during your regular duty hours is what you should represent off duty. Back then even tattoos were not allowed to be shown in uniform. Being politically correct was never an issue in the military and the rules and regulations applied to everyone. It is called the Uniform Code of Military Justice for a reason. If you want to be held to a different standard don't go into the military. The military was never supposed to be a social experiment - national defense is the mission.

Response by CPT Ted Coulter made Aug 20 at 2017 6:40 PM

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As far as I am concerned this guy has signed a blank check payable to the American people for an amout up to and including his life....his sanity his limbs etc.
if he wants to wear an evening gown while not on duty he should be allowed to do so ....who is he hurting ? No one

Funny that i have seems guys like this in combat situations that were some of the bravest soldiers i have ever seen .
one saved my life ....
you never can tell who the real hero is until the shth fan
experiencing something like this first hand changes. everything ..causes a total shift in your previous beliefs and attitudes

Response by CPT Ted Coulter made Aug 20 at 2017 6:45 PM

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Hey if he is willing to serve why not ...i dont see alot of people stepping up these days .

you may need this guy when the shtf i did. the least likely guy who was a crossdresser saved my life.
we never know who the real heros are until that moment cones

Response by PO1 Alan Allison made Aug 20 at 2017 8:48 PM

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I was told that you would always conduct yourself in accordance with military standards, always made sense and still does.

Response by SFC James Tihanyi made Aug 20 at 2017 9:54 PM

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Do not join the Military if You can't, maintain the discipline it demands of You! just like some jobs will not allow certain, behavior, activity, size, weight, IQ, education level, etc. If You want to be a, hedonistic,, freak creature, don't join our services!!

Response by SCPO Ysmael Ramos made Aug 20 at 2017 11:59 PM

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Here it goes again like back in my day. As a recruiter in the late 70 just after the draft was abolished the enlistment contract read have or have ever had homo sexual tendencies yes or no. If you answered "NO" no questions asked about your sexuality. If you looked or experienced active duty before or during those years and some that answered "NO" still enlisted as being gay. You know we have almost have been desensitized by this that we have almost accepted by will of the Federal Government. I have always felt this way of this subject if you don't bring out in public. So with that being said wearing lipstick would be out in my time, earrings can't say and ripped clothes are out. In my time was you represented the federal government. Especially if you were overseas you were considered the diplomat. I have been out retired since 1994 and things were changing fast for us old goats. I have heard the saying that if you could go back into active duty again would you? A lot of veterans and retirees say yes. My answer would be simply NO but HELL NO. I would not fit in because I could not be what I use to be. This is the millennium generation and Y generation time not my time.

Response by SGT Charles Ficklin made Aug 21 at 2017 2:39 AM

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Unfortunately the regulations do specifically address this issue. I cannot remember any post that allowed males to wear earrings on post, on or off duty. The ripped clothing unfortunately has become so common that no one really cares. The local command may have published guidance but that is probably a long shot. The only branch where I would bet that they have addressed this issue is the Marine Corp. The days of expecting all soldiers to present themselves in a professional manner on and off duty are gone. It makes me feel ashamed of the service because they have allowed this behavior to continue without taking action. As for the question of should this be allowed? my answer is HELL NO!
Every time one of these wierdos pulls a stunt like this, they should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the UCMJ. If they want to dress like they are homeless, then process the chapter and give them that status. It is time that every branch stands up and draws a line in the sand that says NO MORE. we will not allow these people to destroy our heritage or give the branches a black eye with the public.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 22 at 2017 9:26 AM

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males are prohibited from wearing cosmetics, except when medically prescribed. AR 670-1 3-2 B(1)

Response by LTC Rudy Schulz made Aug 22 at 2017 2:39 PM

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It's only ok if they're LEGS. Kidding. I don't think it is ever ok to fall that far from the regulations. Soldiers are always going to push the regulation limits and as leaders it is our job to maintain standards keep them squared away. Maybe I'm just showing my age, but the regulations were pretty explicit when it came to off duty personal appearance when I was on AD about 12 years ago.

Response by Sgt Mike Jacobi made Aug 23 at 2017 3:23 PM

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I suppose that off duty civies can let a troop express a little individuality, as long as it does not detract from the overall bearing and good order of the military organization of which he is a part. Black lipstick etc. for a male would seem to me to be way over the line and certainly should not be allowed on base. Even when "off duty" the mission of the organization should always come first. Individuality even off duty must remain within those bounds.

Response by SPC Christopher Renkel made Aug 24 at 2017 8:23 PM

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If I remember AR670-1 it stated male soldiers can't wear earrings while in uniform, on duty, or off duty while on a military instillation. it may have changed. As for everything else whew!

Response by PFC Francis Ramseyer made Aug 25 at 2017 3:48 PM

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No, definitely not !

Response by SSG Dave Johnston made Aug 26 at 2017 1:11 AM

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Was the soldier displaying or wearing what is considered "Goth" attire? A "Headache" for NCOs an Officers is allowing subordinates the discrimination to wear civies that allow the soldier to trend while at the same time having the soldier NOT digress from the fact that they are in fact Soldiers. The balancing act we all go through being
1. Members of a Uniformed service, sworn to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States.
2. Individualism, having our quirks, individual likes and dislikes, trends, passions, etc.
3. Balancing on that thin line of acceptable dress and behavior that does not disgrace the "Uniform or Service Branch" while allowing individuality.
And it has always be a difficult row to hoe

Response by LTC Alan Murphy made Aug 26 at 2017 8:37 AM

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The funniest shit.........The Military gets what it deserves and America gets what it deserves.......The military like other parts of the Federal Government has been taken over by the Communists/Cultural Marxists/Globalists....There are more communists now in the Federal Government, Military, Academia and Media than anytime in modern history....Some are willing Communists/Cultural Marxists and others don't even know they are communists who have simply grown up being indoctrinated by media and academia....The UCMJ is corrupted, CID is corrupted, Chain Of Commands are Corrupted....there is no equal justice anymore.....Looking at the latest navy ship collision disasters is just another sign of complete breakdown of the services.........The US Military is a joke now just like the government has made a joke out of the American people..........The military is full of a bunch of hypocrites particularly up the chain of command..........You can find poorly written conflicting regulations and contradictory rules and regulations....over 90% of commanders don't even know and can accurately interpret many of the rules and regulations and then if you rely on the JAG Corp to help you just opened another can of incompetence....Over the last 50 years the military has slowly evolved into a disaster waiting to happen just like the incompetence and corruption inside the Communist Bureaucratic Veterans Administration...

Response by SPC Charlotte Stubbs made Aug 26 at 2017 4:38 PM

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Why should it matter what someone wears when off duty? I've served with a wide variety of individuals including heterosexuals, homosexuals, bisexuals, transsexuals and never had an issue with any of them. Norms change, that's what happens in societies that are based on freedom. I'm a bit sick of people pushing their religious beliefs on others. Shouldn't America be the one place in which ALL citizens can live their lives as they wish as long as they don't infringe on the rights of other citizens?

Response by Sgt Heriberto Salinas made Aug 26 at 2017 4:57 PM

2017-08-26T16:57:44-04:00

Haaaaay! The government doesn't really know how to keep certain people out of the military (from serving ). I say let them do at least one term. Then if they want to persue a career, then expect them to conform to the regs. Remember, you were once a rebel.

Response by SPC T.J. Adams made Aug 27 at 2017 1:47 AM

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The military has changed tremendously, since the beginning. From allowing homosexuals to actively volunteer, to next, allowing females to become combat pilots, and now, 2017 introduces 11X...female airborne infantry. The regulations for dress should be changed to compromise with the newest brand of soldier, if you will. To me, I don't care what your lifestyle is or how you dress...it's about soldiering. My wearing an earring didn't change the fact, that I was a good soldier. So long as you don't do anything to embarrass yourself, which in turn would, realistically, embarrass the standards of the military, then, so what. I come from a long generation of men in the military. Time to relax just a little, to let our soldiers, do just that....Soldier

Response by CDR Kenneth Kaiser made Aug 27 at 2017 2:33 AM

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I have been reading this the various responses and I tend to think that you have to remember that you represent your service what ever that means to you and should dress accordingly It should not be something that you have to ask about . But then that is old school.
We had similar discussions in the Navy when Admiral Zumwaldt came up with his Z grams. What disturbs me more though is the general trend toward PC behavior in the military where social issues are becoming more important than issues such as threats, preparedness, force sizing, maintenance etc.
As I understand it some of the services are now saying that turbans are authorized uniform wear so are we now going to spend time developing designs for turbans with scrambled eggs on them for senior officers? What about the transgender folks which uniform standards (male or female) do they follow and at what point in the process? Service members only represent 1% of the population right now. In a sense that makes us part of an elite group so lets act like it. Take the initiative to always represent your branch in the best manner possible not go along to get along.

Response by SGT Christopher Lachcik made Aug 27 at 2017 8:51 AM

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Wot the fuck mate??

Response by CW3 Roger Schaetzel made Aug 30 at 2017 7:37 PM

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This whole topic just makes me glad that I am out of the military.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 1 at 2017 4:27 PM

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Just an FYI for everyone reading this particular topic. As of May 2017 AR 670-1 allows males to wear earrings in civilian clothes when off duty. The May update to 670-1 changed a few major things that leaders may want to check on to prevent looking stupid infront of their Soldiers.

Response by 1SG Patrick Sims made Sep 2 at 2017 7:12 AM

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You're in the United States Army--When you're on a military instillation you act like it. Off the post--I don't give a shit if you ware a pink evening gown with diamond earrings. If looking like Ru Paul is your thing--do it off the post. Let make myself perfectly clear----On the post your a soldier---off the post you're a drag queen---Then you can bump and grind at your hearts content.

Response by 1SG Jeffrey Mullett made Sep 2 at 2017 10:43 AM

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According to AR 670-1, male Soldiers are not allowed to have piercings of any kind.
As for the other items, there is no regulation to address lipstick or clothing, but we are encouraged to adhere to the military image. So, keeping your hair and clothing to a professional standard is suggested but not against any regulation.

Response by LTC Seymour Vladimer made Sep 2 at 2017 12:33 PM

2017-09-02T12:33:08-04:00

Not N my book

Response by CW4 Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 2 at 2017 2:19 PM

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From my recent transgender training I learned that male Soldiers who have told the O-6 Commander they are transgender are allowed to wear lipstick, earings, and female clothes once the transition process has started. Not sure about the ripped pants?
CW4 Calhoun

Response by CSM William Payne made Sep 3 at 2017 8:49 PM

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AR 670 - 1

Specifically prohibits males from wearing earrings under any circumstances both on or off duty.

On duty It prohibits males from wearing fingernail polish or cosmetics unless medically required, as in disfigurement due to injury.

BUT, it includes a Catch-22 statement regarding a professional military appearance on or off duty. It may be a stretch to try to enforce the standards off post, but it definelty provides the backup for prohibiting all the above in the situation you described. If this Soldier's command tells you to read the regulations, here is your source. They are negligent in their command responsibilities. Also, most military installations also have local regulations which may be even more specific and stringent, so check for those. There is a decorum of dress expected to enter military facilities such as mess halls, Exchanges and Commissaries.

Check paragraph b and c under civilian clothing below.

Chapter 3
Appearance and Grooming Policies

3–1. Personal appearance policies

a. Soldiers will present a professional image at all times and will continue to set the example in military presence, both on and off duty. Pride in appearance includes Soldiers’ physical fitness and adherence to acceptable weight standards in accordance with AR 600–9.

b. A vital ingredient of the Army’s strength and military effectiveness is the pride and self discipline that American Soldiers bring to their Service through a conservative military image. It is the responsibility of commanders to ensure that military personnel under their command present a neat and soldierly appearance. Therefore, in the absence of specific procedures or guidelines, commanders must determine a Soldier’s compliance with standards in this regulation.

c. The Army uniform regulations for standards of personal appearance and grooming are as specific as is practicable in order to establish the parameters with which Soldiers must comply.

d. Portions of this chapter are punitive. Violation of the specific prohibitions and requirements set forth in this chapter may result in adverse administrative action and/or charges under the provision of the UCMJ.

3–2. Hair and fingernail standards and grooming policies

b. Cosmetics.

(1) Standards regarding cosmetics are necessary to maintain uniformity and to avoid an extreme or unprofessional appearance. Males are prohibited from wearing cosmetics, except when medically prescribed. Females are authorized to wear cosmetics with all uniforms, provided they are applied modestly and conservatively, and that they complement both the Soldier’s complexion and the uniform. Leaders at all levels must exercise good judgment when interpreting and enforcing this policy.

c. Fingernails. All personnel will keep fingernails clean and neatly trimmed. Males will keep nails trimmed so as not to extend beyond the fingertip unless medically required and are not authorized to wear nail polish. Females will not exceed a nail length of 1⁄4 inch as measured from the tip of the finger. Females will trim nails shorter if the commander determines that the longer length detracts from a professional appearance, presents a safety concern, or interferes with the performance of duties. Females may only wear clear polish when in uniform or while in civilian clothes on duty. Females may wear clear acrylic nails, provided they have a natural appearance and conform to Army standards.

3–4. Jewelry

c. Attaching, affixing or displaying objects, articles, jewelry, or ornamentation to, through, or under their skin, tongue, or any other body part is prohibited (this includes earrings for male Soldiers). This applies to all Soldiers on or off duty. The only exception is for female Soldiers, who may wear earrings consistent with paragraph 3–4d. (The term “skin” is not confined to external skin but includes the tongue, lips, inside the mouth, and other surfaces of the body not readily visible.)

3–9. Civilian clothing

a. Civilian clothing is authorized for wear when off duty, unless the wear is prohibited by the senior commander. Commanders down to unit level may restrict the wear of civilian clothes by those Soldiers who have had their pass privileges revoked. Within the confines of a military base or a DoD installation, civilian clothing will be worn subject to local regulations.

b. When on duty in civilian clothes or off duty and outside of their personal dwelling, Army personnel will present a professional image that does not detract from the profession, unless specifically exempted by the commander for specific mission requirements.

c. Soldiers are associated and identified with the Army in and out of uniform, and when on or off duty. Therefore, when civilian clothing is worn, Soldiers will ensure that their dress and personal appearance are commensurate with the high standards traditionally associated with Army service. Commanders are charged with determining and publishing the local civilian clothing policy. When on a military installation, civilian headgear will be removed indoors in accordance with established norms

AR 670–1 • 10 April 2015

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 4 at 2017 9:25 AM

2017-09-04T09:25:24-04:00

This is what I'm talking about. What the hell happened with the leadership?

Response by LCpl Steve Smith made Sep 8 at 2017 6:23 AM

2017-09-08T06:23:27-04:00

Wait, What?! Going by when I was in the answer would be NO to all of the above in the Marine Corps. Infact if you saw another Marine out of Civilian Regs while in civilian clothes you better lock them on. It is your duty to do so. I was on the Rock walking down to the Motor Pool on a Saturday when two other Marines from my section caught up to me (we were all in Civilian clothes) I forget why we had to go to the motor pool. But like I said they caught up to me and I wasn't paying attention to what they were wearing as far as Civi's, next thing we know our Battalion SgtMaj. tells us to hold up and he starts laying into my two buddies for ripped jeans, untucked shirt on one and a T-shirt on the other...So I easy back because I'm like I'm Good to go in within regs The SgtMaj. Turns to me and starts ripping on me for not making sure the other two weren't within regs and I was with them. As you see I am Like I was an E-3 they were E-4's (yeah I had more time in service then both) and what do you think happened when I told the SgtMaj. that they were Cpl's he already knew I was a LCpl...he said " I don't Fucking Care Smith! You don't let another Marine look like shit!" He knew they were Cpl's so I wasn't throwing them under the bus incase you thought that, we had all had regular dealings with SgtMaj. being motor T We all Drove for him and the old man (Btln.Cmndr). Plus The SgtMaj was Guamanian and for some reason he thought I was too so he had a "Hard On" for me...

Response by SGT Milton Pridemore made Sep 8 at 2017 10:14 PM

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On Post...as your Sgt let me catch ya....Won't say a single word.....But you will get every shit detail for a year.....Get the hell outta my sight!

Response by PV2 Glen Lewis made Sep 10 at 2017 9:04 AM

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Well it seems like they can't wear anything else that they want to anymore so it wouldn't really surprise me.

Response by SGT Kevin Dorsey made Sep 19 at 2017 3:33 AM

2017-09-19T03:33:06-04:00

I think his CSM may have hade a different answer.

Response by Capt Dwayne Conyers made Sep 19 at 2017 4:03 AM

2017-09-19T04:03:05-04:00

They could... but wouldn't it be easier to just ASK for a beat down @$$ shipping?

Response by SSG James Behnke made Sep 19 at 2017 4:11 AM

2017-09-19T04:11:21-04:00

Earrings used to be a huge pet peeve of mine. I had pierced ears prior to joining the Army. I gave them up because I wanted to look professional and the regulation was very clear about what was allowed.

That being said, I just pulled up AR 670-1 (Dated 25MAY2017) and under paragraph 3-4, d. (4) it states: "When male and female Soldiers are not in uniform and off duty, earring wear is not restricted as long as the ear-rings do not create or support ear gauging (enlarged holes in the lobe of the ear, greater than 1.6mm)."

Granted, it does not speak to being on or off post, which would lead one to believe that they are acceptable on post. This also only speaks to the earrings.

The thing that so many soldiers like to do, however, is pick and choose what parts of the regulation apply to them. If you read paragraph 3-9 (Civilian Clothing), two subparagraphs stand out to me regarding this soldier's attire:

"b. When on duty in civilian clothes or off duty and outside of their personal dwelling, Army personnel will present a professional image that does not detract from the profession, unless specifically exempted by the commander for specific mission requirements.

c. Soldiers are associated and identified with the Army in and out of uniform, and when on or off duty. Therefore, when civilian clothing is worn, Soldiers will ensure that their dress and personal appearance are commensurate with the high standards traditionally associated with Army service. Commanders are charged with determining and publishing the local civilian clothing policy. When on a military installation, civilian headgear will be removed indoors in accordance with established norms."

From your description, that certainly does not sound like a professional appearance, but that is just my opinion, and is somewhat subjective.

I have included the link below to the most current version of AR 670-1 (the DA Pam does not speak to civilian clothing). I hope this helps.

http://www.apd.army.mil/epubs/DR_pubs/DR_a/pdf/web/ARN3644_AR670-1_Web_FINAL.pdf

ARN3644_AR670-1_Web_FINAL.pdf

Response by SSG Bill Cooke made Sep 19 at 2017 4:50 PM

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I now days soldiers males want to look like females then I say get out of the Army. Men are men and women are women. Stop trying to be what you aren't. Get trained for your military job. If you want to act another part go get into a movie. Not the Armed Forces.

Response by SP5 Christopher Brock made Sep 20 at 2017 11:58 AM

2017-09-20T11:58:12-04:00

I was in the Marines and Army... in the Marines on most Fridays we would have an Civi Inspection and if you was wearing Inappropriate attire your weekend was gone and when I joined the Army nobody cared you would see some outrageous stuff and nobody said anything

Response by SSgt Liam Babington made Sep 21 at 2017 7:22 AM

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I may be old fashioned but an ear ring or two off duty well that is his personal choice! I wear an ear ring now but was out of the service 3 years before I got one! But LIPSTICK...??? DAHECK?!?!

Response by SPC William Smith made Sep 21 at 2017 3:29 PM

2017-09-21T15:29:02-04:00

When I was in the Army and stationed in Germany. A good many of us wore Hippie type attire on post while off duty, and even in the field when off duty. As long as we kept our hair cut per regs. we never got ragged about it.

Response by Jerry Rivas made Sep 24 at 2017 4:52 PM

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Ar matey.....On duty he is a private.....off duty he is a PIRATE. ARRR, Now scally your wag, and shiver his timbers.

Response by SFC Dave Beran made Sep 25 at 2017 9:28 AM

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As far as I know there is no regulation for dress codes when off duty. Either on or off post. Many people dress differently. But in the end as long as you don't go around naked or wearing gang patches there is nothing you can do. On or off post. Evidently his Unit has already ventured down this lane.

Response by LT Mike Folker made Sep 25 at 2017 3:43 PM

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I can remember a E-5 corpsman, almost 40 yr ago, terribly aggravated & hurt by being told to remove his thin hoop earring while in uniform. He stuck what looked like a piece of stalk from broom thru his earlobe; personally, I thought he was still outta uniform.
I too cannot understand why people would volunteer to be part of ostensibly a strict rules-&-regulations institution like the armed forces; then steadily look for ways to contravene the rules. I was hardly a paragon of military bearing; but I simply believed that my job was to keep the ship on course, on the ready, on time, & to keep the crew safe. & I believed my time off-post was to make sure I was ready to do just that at a moment's notice & that my family was ready too.

Response by SFC Jim Ruether made Sep 25 at 2017 3:55 PM

2017-09-25T15:55:08-04:00

Well I for one am damn glad I got out when I did and didn't have to deal with these Goth individuals or whatever they call themselves! In my book they can do this stuff around the end of October and that's it!

Response by PFC Robert Rice made Oct 1 at 2017 2:56 PM

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I wouldn't allow It! If you are In the military you represent the military on or off duty.

Response by TSgt James Carson made Oct 3 at 2017 2:35 PM

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the military should have some guidelines or codes of clothing conduct when off duty on or off base. Tattoos have ruined the professional image of the military. When people look like wall, paper or sign boards, they don't look professional.

Response by SGT Jim Arnold made Oct 3 at 2017 2:55 PM

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to even ask this question

Response by PFC Kit Corson made Oct 3 at 2017 2:57 PM

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Let this private propose a situation as devils advocate where I am the enemy OK? Maybe I'm a middle eastern soldier, or Chinese or Korean . The sight of a charging soldier screaming bloody hell with a look of fire in their eyes in a Donna Karan mini and earnings and complimentary lipstick would probably make me shit my pants. I mean really. The idea is laughable but think of that poor bastards mind trying to encompass a deviant killing machine! As to rules and regs I never met any thatI couldn't politic my way around. That is a good thing about the American Soldier, adapt, improvise, overcome.

Response by Cpl Mark A. Morris made Oct 3 at 2017 10:25 PM

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With the social experimentation of the military, it is my understanding, as long as the makeup, earrings and color of clothes match, it is acceptable.
Sarc off.

Response by AN Christopher Crayne made Oct 4 at 2017 4:27 AM

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We are Ambassadors and should dress and act accordingly.

Response by Maj Mike Sciales made Oct 4 at 2017 12:55 PM

2017-10-04T12:55:21-04:00

"Quae licet non prohibetur." Things not prohibited are permitted.

Response by SFC Walter Wilson made Oct 5 at 2017 6:22 PM

2017-10-05T18:22:05-04:00

Sounds like this may be related to the transgender policy. At best the earrings may be a violation, as far as I know lipstick and the rest are valid.

Response by SCPO William Akin made Oct 9 at 2017 9:44 AM

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My thoughts on the question are not 'Can' a male soldier wear lipstick, etc., etc., but 'WHY' he would want to..
Color me Old and out of touch...

Response by SGT Felicia King made Oct 10 at 2017 6:28 AM

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Even out of uniform they are still soldiers. Next time smoke his ass. Get his unit and notify his platoon sergeant so that he can smoke his ass. That shit is ridiculous. You might get away with it off post, but definitely not on post.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 10 at 2017 6:25 PM

2017-10-10T18:25:45-04:00

The problem is that you ultimately cannot extend a benefit to one group/gender etc without extending it to everyone (or barring everyone from it). For example. If Sheiks are permitted to wear beards, other people like Nazarene Christians can demand long hair, beards etc. You either apply same rules - restrictions to everyone or permit it for everyone. That's equality.

Response by 1SG John B. Enlow made Oct 16 at 2017 9:37 PM

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Lord have mercy. I'm sitting here totally stunned by these discussion topics. Lipstick, earrings, flaming individuals, gender officially changed by DEERS? Are these issues Company Commanders and 1SG's have to deal with today?

Response by SGT Alejandro Benavides made Oct 16 at 2017 11:10 PM

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While, yes policy states that males can’t wear earrings on post, they’re obviously wearing make up. So if my math is correct, they’re trans. Just live and let live until they’re wearing their uniforms then correct the living hell out of them.

Response by SGT Lisa Fields made Oct 17 at 2017 4:55 PM

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No plain and simple 670-1 is clear on this.

Response by SFC Christopher Taggart made Oct 18 at 2017 11:42 PM

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"...wear lipstick, earrings and ripped clothes while off duty, but on post?"...only if he wants to keep getting jumped by those that disagree with him!

Response by MAJ Hugh Blanchard made Oct 21 at 2017 7:19 PM

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Why in the hell would any soldier want to do that? Is the individual en route to a Halloween Party or going to "The Rocky Horror Picture Show"? If not, for the life of me I don't understand why a male soldier would wear lipstick and earrings. Guess I must (Thank God!) be really out of touch with current fashions.

Response by SSgt Boyd Herrst made Oct 22 at 2017 8:25 AM

2017-10-22T08:25:07-04:00

Seriously.. why ask such a inane question,
Soldier? Read the regulations.. if they seem vague(matter of one’s personal opinion), talk to s’one that can protect your anonymity..

Response by PO2 Dave Cutsinger made Oct 22 at 2017 9:12 AM

2017-10-22T09:12:42-04:00

Standards change all the time. I recall seeing cruisebooks from older sailers serving in the 70’s, long hair, full beards. Get over yourself, focus on the mission, and don’t concern yourselves with things above your pay grade.

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 23 at 2017 2:30 PM

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3–9. Civilian clothing
a. Civilian clothing is authorized for wear when off duty, unless the wear is prohibited by the Senior Commander. Commanders down to unit level may restrict the wear of civilian clothes by those Soldiers who have had their pass privileges revoked. Within the confines of a military base or a DoD installation, civilian clothing will be worn subject to local regulations.

b. When on duty in civilian clothes or off duty and outside of their personal dwelling, Army personnel will present a professional image that does not detract from the profession, unless specifically exempted by the commander for specific mission requirements.

c. Soldiers are associated and identified with the Army in and out of uniform, and when on or off duty. Therefore, when civilian clothing is worn, Soldiers will ensure that their dress and personal appearance are commensurate with the high standards traditionally associated with Army service. Commanders are charged with determining and publishing the local civilian clothing policy. When on a military installation, civilian headgear will be removed indoors in accordance with established norms.

d. When civilian clothing has been authorized by competent authority for wear in a duty status in lieu of a uniform, the civilian clothing will be of the same comparable degree of formality as the uniform prescribed for such duty. Standards of dress and appearance will be conservative and meet the same high standards established for personnel in uniform.

e. The wear of clothing articles not specifically designed to be normally worn as headgear (for example, bandannas, do rags) are prohibited while on duty.

f. No part of a prescribed uniform, except those items not exclusively military in character, may be worn with civilian clothing.

g. Uniform items authorized for wear with civilian clothing by males are restricted to the gold cuff links, studs, tie bar, mourning band, footwear, socks, gloves, undergarments, black bow-tie, wool scarf, all-weather coat, fleece caps, and physical training uniforms.

h. Uniform items authorized for wear with civilian clothing by females are restricted to the white shirt without insignia of grade, footwear, gloves, handbag, clutch purse, wool scarf, all-weather coat, fleece caps, and physical training uniforms.

i. Uniform items that have been declared obsolete may be worn with civilian clothing, provided such items contain no distinctive insignia or buttons.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 24 at 2017 6:05 AM

2017-10-24T06:05:19-04:00

wow...lol

Response by PO3 Phyllis Maynard made Oct 30 at 2017 9:08 PM

2017-10-30T21:08:02-04:00

I am so old school it's not funny. Webster's dictionary does not have a word to describe my feelings.

Response by SSG Bill Cooke made Oct 31 at 2017 11:31 PM

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If a male wants to look like some kind of woman that he is not he had best do it on Halloween. Else he could get himself into a difficult situation of hazing the could be serious like being beat up. This is new ground that the Army has not had to deal with. Back in the 1980s we did deal with some men who acted like homos or gays but not like today. For a male to join the Army and then dress up like a woman off duty and then go out to the PX or other places is just plan sick to me.

Response by HN Chris Robinette made Nov 3 at 2017 2:52 AM

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If that BN CMD was out ranked by you then you should have relieved the BN CMD of duty and had the soldier stripped of his lipstick, earrings, jeweler and is pants before being sent to the brig for insubordination.

Response by SPC Steven Depuy made Nov 13 at 2017 9:23 AM

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Watching the news lately, you would think they could do it while on duty, since you can choose your orientation now, maybe the loophole is sorry CSM, I am feeling female today.

Response by SSgt Warren Henthorn made Nov 16 at 2017 4:26 PM

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When I served 1967-71, you acted with order and dignity at all times.

Response by SPC David Willis made Nov 16 at 2017 4:31 PM

2017-11-16T16:31:49-05:00

I always thought ripped clothing was ok as long as it wasn't excessive. Or maybe its like who cares?

Response by SPC David Willis made Nov 16 at 2017 4:35 PM

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Follow up question, as long as hair is in regs on duty, can you style outside of regs while in civis/off duty, and are there any regulations on facial hair off duty?

Response by SPC Ed Martinez made Nov 18 at 2017 5:40 AM

2017-11-18T05:40:03-05:00

Pushing the envelope by wearing above mentioned articles is not new. The Rock and Punk Scene were very much alive in the 1980's when I was a soldier. The ZERO tolerance policy was very much alive too. Some wore those things at their night clubs (CP duties) or in their circles, but once back on base, clean as a whistle.

Response by Capt Jeff S. made Nov 18 at 2017 9:33 AM

2017-11-18T09:33:27-05:00

Stupid questions deserve stupid answers. Duh! Are you so imperceptive that this has to be spelled out for you? Let me put it to you this way. Before Obama turned our military into a social experiment, purged our good generals and replaced them with weak “yes men” nobody would have even bothered questioning the obvious. When I was going through college on the MECEP Program at the University of Texas, I heard a story about a MECEP at Texas A&M getting dropped from the program after his MOI saw him out in town wearing an ear ring. Was that fair?

What you do on your off time is a reflection on who you are and who you are is reflected in your job performance. You can’t be a different person on the job and off the job. The two are intertwined. You can put on an act for awhile but eventually who you really are comes out. When we travel, others see what we do on liberty and form impressions. Like it or not, it matters.

Response by PV2 Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 18 at 2017 9:50 AM

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We should consider EO when thinking about these things. If our ladies dress the same way, and makes that want to be more "feminine, " should we regulate on just males, or males and females? I say, everyone should look the same.

Response by CPL Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 18 at 2017 4:52 PM

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If a soldier cannot where extreme hairstyles while off duty, I can’t imagine why they would be allowed to do anything else. You are a soldier 24/7.

Response by SPC David S. made Nov 18 at 2017 7:50 PM

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To answer this ASSinine question quite bluntly, NO! You are a soldier in and off duty. 24/7. Even on approved leave. You are a soldier and must uphold the standards of being a soldier. 24/6/365 You gave no OFF DAYS. You are a soldier at all times. In and out of uniform. The uniform is not ever makes you a soldier, the discipline is. The integrity. All of it. The uniform is just that. A uniform of a soldier. The soldier wearing the uniform is a soldier even without the uniform on. So, again, to answer your ASSinine question, NO, YOU CANNOT FO THOSE THINGS OR ANYTHING THAT IS UNBECOMING IF A SOLDIER. PERIOD.

Response by CPO Bill Penrod made Nov 25 at 2017 8:53 AM

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With the transgender/gay issues I would have to read the regulations daily. So good luck on this one.

Response by LCpl James Robertson made Nov 25 at 2017 6:34 PM

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Back in the 1970's I left North Carolina where it were very cold flew to LAX bound for Camp Pendleton, I had on a class A uniform with a tie, it were so hot in California., I loosen my tie, The Military Police at the Gate stopped me and stated "marine" you can either wear that uniform in its proper order are spent time in the Brig. No problem the tie went back to its proper order.

Response by PO2 Waylon Swartz made Nov 26 at 2017 5:01 PM

2017-11-26T17:01:52-05:00

So basically the soldier in question was dressed in style of '80's "Glam" rock, sans the hairdo? Did you happen to question said trooper as to whether that individual was on his way off base? And while the SOP/Standing Orders may say something along the lines of it being unacceptable on base, what, if anything did those orders say about personnel leaving base? As an example/explanation, the trooper may have been on his way to attend a concert os, say, Twisted Sister, for all I know (after all, I only got through around 40 of the 506 replies). If the Army allows/tolerates/turns a blind eye to the female troops, to quote another respondent here, to dress as $2 hookers, then maybe you should do the same for this man, whether you think it appropriate or not as long as it is not disruptive to the missions of others and does not become become so... Just a thought. And one last thing, no, I would not be comfortable, nor approve of it either personally.....

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 27 at 2017 7:01 PM

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I am absolutely disgusted by some of the responses in here to include "2 dollar hooker" and "flaming". 1. Males <as such on erb> are not authorized makeup ON DUTY.
2. Males are not allowed ear rings on/off duty on/off post.
3. Ripped jeans are a fashion item... and unless OP has a unit/post policy this is not covered by 670-1 unless you want to argue about neat and professional which is a rabbit hole nobody comes out of
4. Nowhere in this did the OP STATE this individual is trans... so don't argue for/against a moot point. HOWEVER, for every one of the comments degrading the SM for their individuality.... you need to check yourself. The Army doesn't need anyone who chooses to bash someone because they are male wearing makeup you.... are what is wrong with the Army.
5. Trans does not equal gay
6. It's 2017 not 1787.... people have personal lives outside the military (GASP) this may include crossdressing. Get over yourself about whether or not this is professional... unless it's illegal unethical or immoral <news flash> it isn't. Leave it be.
7. OP was correct about earrings, but if the O5 says leave it be.... refer to point 6
8. IF THIS SM IS TRANS this gives even more reason to refer to rule 6. I've seen not hat wearing, do-rag wearing, pot t-shirt sporting, confederate flag flying soldiers in 1 day on Stewart to make up a ream of papers worth of 4856's
9. Unless your 3 meter circle is deficient-free... don't go on a public forum complaining that the force is so unprofessional.... and how it's because of LGBT in the force. I challenge all of you to look in the mirror before bashing the SM without the whole picture. This one post has me more worried about what terrible leaders out soldiers have than whether or not lipstick is an issue on post

Response by MSG Edward Chelini made Nov 30 at 2017 12:50 PM

2017-11-30T12:50:07-05:00

If his 1Sgt and Company Commander wear the same outfit, it's O.K. NEVER HAPPEN G. I.

Response by Cpl Joseph Zach made Dec 2 at 2017 2:55 AM

2017-12-02T02:55:15-05:00

I would hope not. but I was in and got out 41 years ago. so my opinion doesn't mean squat, I believe

Response by PO3 J.W. Nelson made Dec 2 at 2017 10:07 AM

2017-12-02T10:07:00-05:00

Why would they want to ?

Response by SPC Jesse Davis made Dec 2 at 2017 2:51 PM

2017-12-02T14:51:56-05:00

Off duty? Who cares.

Long as they're squared away when it's time to work, they aren't breaking UCMJ, or they aren't doing anything particularly unethical or dangerous; fuck off out of their business.

Response by SSG Edward Tilton made Dec 2 at 2017 2:55 PM

2017-12-02T14:55:03-05:00

As long as everyone wears it

Response by MAJ Bruce Davie made Dec 2 at 2017 9:27 PM

2017-12-02T21:27:19-05:00

Have we come so far away from our roots that this type of behavior is acceptable while on-post?

Response by CPT Larry Hudson made Dec 5 at 2017 8:30 AM

2017-12-05T08:30:19-05:00

One. Command establishes dress policy.
Two. Uniformity is priority in units
Three. No sissy’s will be tolerated.
Four. You are in the military, get your head screwed on right or face mental evaluation and discharge.

Response by CWO2 Shelby DuBois made Dec 6 at 2017 3:44 PM

2017-12-06T15:44:43-05:00

Depends...are they moonlighting in a 70's hair band?

Response by SSgt James Custer made Dec 7 at 2017 3:53 PM

2017-12-07T15:53:32-05:00

He/She shouldn't have been allowed in the military in the first place. Disgusting!

Response by SFC Robert Lee Rice made Dec 10 at 2017 4:21 PM

2017-12-10T16:21:44-05:00

Kick his ass,up around his ears,he wouldnt be wearing that crap on post (or off post) anymore.

Response by LTC Carl Kimball made Dec 20 at 2017 6:16 AM

2017-12-20T06:16:55-05:00

It's hard to teach taste. Hopefully it goes away soon.

Response by CMSgt Peter McDermott made Dec 23 at 2017 8:36 AM

2017-12-23T08:36:26-05:00

I see this as nothing new, our young troops are more forward in their ways of expressions. We have rules on base, just like on duty compared to off duty. These rules are there not only for uniformity and image but for security as well. Once they join they make a commitment to stay within these rules, guidelines and regulations. They are not there to put anyone's beliefs down nor to discriminate. We are all part of "ONE" team and chose to take this path. Many people once in get very comfortable with their surrounding and tend to put their positions on hold. To me they want to forget where they are for a while. In saying this, on base is not a place for this unleashing the inner self. Corrective leadership is needed here to remind them. Now I might seem old fashion and I am to a point but I also believe in learning and staying with new ways and ideas to keep up with society.

Response by SSG James N. made Dec 23 at 2017 6:59 PM

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After reading the regs, there is also NO update that says they cannot, that is unless it is post policy, that goes against Army regs, per Section 1.13 Page 9.

SGT Colin Gunter, you were in the wrong for harassing that little goth millennial. Have you no shame? I mean seriously, did it make you die, hurt you in any way? Would my own torn Levi's black boots, leather jacket and t-shirt with a red and white bandana showing Hells Angels Nomads association force you to err the same had you seen me, or do you just have a hard on for goth's and give bikers a pass? }
As a former Staff Sergeant, I never messed with my people when they were off. Why? Last I checked, we signed that same paper to fight for freedom and liberty and justice for all. We trained them hard as fuck, so when it came to their highly valued off time, we let them play hard as long as they were not getting into trouble doing drugs or DUI

Response by SPC Al Lohn made Dec 27 at 2017 3:18 PM

2017-12-27T15:18:26-05:00

Has the Army gone nuts??? Is that even a question???

Response by GySgt Mike W made Dec 29 at 2017 12:03 PM

2017-12-29T12:03:03-05:00

We’re doomed....

Response by SFC Steven Borders made Jan 2 at 2018 6:59 PM

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As long as it is not offensive or demeaning they can wear what they want. No, there is an exception as the Base may have a policy on what you can wear. I know Fort Stewart had it posted in the PX on what was expectable civilian wear.

Response by MSgt John McGowan made Jan 2 at 2018 7:34 PM

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Why would a man want to wear lipstick, earrings and all the trapping of a woman? We have gotten to far in the ME generation. I want to be me, I feel like a 5 year old so I will be one today. This kind of crap is going to be the downfall of our nation. I can just hear my Dad now if he had seen something like this. This nation is contaminated with the policial correctiness and it will ruin us all. It in the top levels of the government down to small town level. There is another word for snow flake and we raising them by the ton. And i can't say it or write it.

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Jan 2 at 2018 8:03 PM

2018-01-02T20:03:41-05:00

Just remember, we enforce regulation and policy, not pet peeves or preferences...

Response by SSG Mark Matteson made Jan 4 at 2018 12:45 PM

2018-01-04T12:45:01-05:00

Whatever happened to the Soldier 24/7 rules we all lived by? Sad that our military has gone this way.

Response by 1SG Patrick Sims made Jan 5 at 2018 7:28 PM

2018-01-05T19:28:41-05:00

I suppose he can---But only if he wares a matching neckless with his pierced earrings.

Response by SGT Frank Pritchett made Jan 6 at 2018 3:49 PM

2018-01-06T15:49:14-05:00

The UCMJ is quite clear about maintaining a military appearance both off or on duty. A Soldier can be corrected for uniform infractions. The UCMJ is clear on this matter but as far as gender manipulations their needs to be a JAG Lawyer on this matter.

Response by SGT Frank Pritchett made Jan 6 at 2018 3:59 PM

2018-01-06T15:59:46-05:00

I had a similar experience in Germany in 1984. While taking the bus from 5th General Hospital to Panzer Kaserne, Stuttgart their was a male soldier with his radio in the rear of the duty bus playing his music very loud. I zoned it out until the woman who as in front of started to cry. She said she worked in finance and they were going through an IG Inspection and she had a severe headache. So being the only NCO on the bus I went to the rear and asked them to turn the volume down. the soldier explained to me that I wasn't in his chain of command to go f@#$K myself. So I went back up to my seat and sat down while the elderly woman told me what a sorry NCO I was. I told her to wait till the bus stops and see what I do. Our next stop awas Patch Barracks, when the bus came to the guard house I stood up and told the driver not to move, I then went into the MP Guard Shack and told them that a Soldier had disrespected me fail to comply with my order. I explained the situation and very large black Sergeant pushed me out of the way went onto the bus, grabbed the radio and through it out of the bus then he dragged the Soldier and both of his buddies out and arrested them. The bus errupted in loud cheers and I didn't get home till midnight and it was worth it. Knowing the the UCMJ and the Standreds of what an NCO is goes along way, but never back down if you don't have to.

Response by SSgt Liam Babington made Jan 7 at 2018 9:40 PM

2018-01-07T21:40:42-05:00

Well well, that’s like lipstick on a pig! When one joins the military certain rights are abridged! How one presents themselves off duty DOES have a psychological impact on how they present themselves ON duty! I am by no means a prude but there HAS TO be limits! Which is in this day and age lacking in a serious way!!!!

Response by COL Charles Williams made Jan 7 at 2018 9:50 PM

2018-01-07T21:50:26-05:00

No there is not... You are right. So, what happened? SGT Private RallyPoint Member

Response by SGT Randall Smith made Jan 8 at 2018 10:10 AM

2018-01-08T10:10:29-05:00

How did the question of nutty or crazy dressing become a question of sexual preference? I was in 1966 to 1965 and there was no questions that a "gay " soldier would be discharged if it came to the top brass attention. Having said that, at one time we had 3 gay guys in our bay. But we also had 26 guys in the bay so they were hardly noticed. As we went up in rank the rooms got smaller. When I made sgt. E5 I was in a room of 8 guys and Hoyt was one of them. We razzed him because he had a picture in his locker of a surfer guy. He was also a pretty good guy and worked to help his team. When talking about women one evening he said he had a boyfriend over in Brigade HQ. None of us ever said a word to anyone outside of our group about this.

Response by TSgt Dan Kenna made Jan 9 at 2018 1:21 AM

2018-01-09T01:21:50-05:00

Anyone that wants to harass someone who is off duty as to how they are dressed needs to get a clue. This is the problem with todays military and one of the reasons I got the hell out. Mind your own business. YOU are the reason for morale being low. If you approached me while I was off duty and tried to tell me how to dress, I would tell you to shove it where the sun doesn’t shine. You may not agree with him wearing lipstick or having “finger jewelry”...using that terminology is a red flag as to the type of person you are. Bottom line, get back to your desk and shut your mouth.

Response by MAJ John Douglas made Jan 9 at 2018 9:40 AM

2018-01-09T09:40:14-05:00

Mad Dog (Lap dog) Mattis has countermanded the Commander in Chief about cross dressers in the military so I guess they can wear anything they feel like on a particular day. Feel like a woman, dress like one, feel like a man, dress like one. Anything goes in the left wing social experiments the military has embraced.

Response by SPC Bob Tolford made Jan 9 at 2018 2:14 PM

2018-01-09T14:14:51-05:00

Seems like social engineering has spiraled out of control. Out!

Response by Lydia De los Santos made Jan 15 at 2018 12:27 AM

2018-01-15T00:27:21-05:00

No of course not

Response by SGM Robin Johnson made Jan 15 at 2018 5:11 AM

2018-01-15T05:11:16-05:00

I get it, you don't like the way he was dressed and don't think the image is what you would want projected, but you need to remember that the compliance to the regulation regardless of personal preference goes both ways. He may not like not being able to dress like that in uniform, but he has to abide by the regulation, regardless of his personal opinion or preferences. You don't like him dressing like that in civilian clothes off-duty, but you have to abide by the regulation, too, regardless of your personal opinions or preferences.

You need to ensure you are familiar with the regulation governing any action or situation in which you make an on-the-spot correction. This is especially important when you are correcting Soldiers outside your unit, or not in uniform or on duty. In this case, AR 670-1, Wear and Appearance of Army Uniforms and Insignia, dated 31 March 2014, does not support all of your 'corrections'. Some areas, such as whether the ripped clothing is unacceptable, would be open to interpretation. The regulation specifies in para 3-1b that in such cases, where the regulation is not specific, the Soldier's commander should make the determination - evidently this Soldier's commander did and supported him. Most of the personal appearance standards in AR 670-1 apply only in uniform or when in civilian clothes ON DUTY. While the regulation states in para 3-2b(1) that males may not wear make-up, it does not specify that this applies off-duty, and so the commander may interpret this prohibition to be, as is most of that portion of the regulation, applying only while in uniform or in civilian clothes ON DUTY. You didn't state whether the earring was pierced or clip-on (or magnetic). Males are prohibited in para 3-4c from wearing pierced earrings at any time, but the regulation is silent on the issue of other earrings (that portion of the regulation is speaking specifically to piercings). The limitation on rings in para 3-4a is only for in uniform or civilian clothes ON DUTY; there is no prohibition on finger jewelry (rings?) at all while off-duty and out of uniform, so he could have worn as much/many as he desired. And as mentioned, the ripped pants are not specifically prohibited by AR 670-1. Commanders vary widely in their interpretations of the 'professional appearance' off-duty directive, especially when Soldiers are off base.

So, know the regulation and only make corrections in accordance with it, and respect the authority of the Soldier's commander to make the judgment calls for 'gray areas' in his unit. Someday you may be the one making those judgment calls and you probably wouldn't appreciate someone from another unit second-guessing your legitimate decisions and posting about it online.

Response by CMSgt Robert (Bob) Kelchner made Jan 15 at 2018 12:23 PM

2018-01-15T12:23:54-05:00

The military is suppose to be a professional organization. Iv always believed that every organization has it's own immune system. That system will reject defective items. If there are people that want to dress and act this way they ultimately will be rejected.

Response by SFC Frederick Williams made Jan 15 at 2018 7:53 PM

2018-01-15T19:53:24-05:00

SMH

Response by LTC John Griscom made Jan 16 at 2018 1:03 PM

2018-01-16T13:03:42-05:00

The tomes are achanging. In 1964, blue jeans were not allowed on post at Fort Benning.

Response by SPC Thomas Carroll made Jan 20 at 2018 1:20 AM

2018-01-20T01:20:37-05:00

I wore a Uniform proudly on Duty. Off Duty wanted to blend in with Germans.

Response by SGT Mario Nardiello made Jan 20 at 2018 12:59 PM

2018-01-20T12:59:32-05:00

no some kind of professional aperance should be maintained for gods sake

Response by LCDR Robert S. made Jan 20 at 2018 10:42 PM

2018-01-20T22:42:59-05:00

Unless you're asking so you can wear them yourself, why would you care? Does it hurt your feelings that he's wearing them? Does it make you sad? So what? Let the kid wear what he wants - it's not going to hurt you, or anybody else.

Response by LtCol J W made Jan 21 at 2018 4:55 PM

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When you are the senior person, telling a junior person what is expected, you sure as hell don't accept him telling you to call your C.O. What a dumb question! Your first action should have been to emphasize his mistake in telling you anything then continuing to complete the correction process! If you didn't know that, you should not be assigned to to a position where you supervise others! What the hell is happening in the Army?

Response by PFC Michael Robert Lawrence made Jan 22 at 2018 3:55 PM

2018-01-22T15:55:36-05:00

lipstick nah , You might find tomahawks or skulls , daggers n such , from my earrings , jeans but long since I have been a civilian... , but lipstick he can... but kinda tacky..

Response by PO2 Michael Hollers made Jan 26 at 2018 12:46 PM

2018-01-26T12:46:42-05:00

I really want to know why when we all signed the dotted line that said I am no longer a civilian but belong to the U.S. Military can someone then turn around and act as an individual rather than a team. The four branches of service have a job to do and having to deal with individuals that are solely intent on destroying standards that have been kept since the 1800s. The agenda is to tear down and destroy, not to uphold and maintain is unacceptable. If I am required to maintain these rules and regs what is the problem? My time in was service without question. I knew I signed the dotted line so what gives. Are you that important and special more and above any one else?

Response by SGM Major Stroupe made Jan 27 at 2018 7:47 AM

2018-01-27T07:47:20-05:00

Totally inappropriate. If that's your thing, get a different profession.

Response by SSG Chris Topher made Jan 27 at 2018 12:24 PM

2018-01-27T12:24:20-05:00

I’d question if they were actually a male soldier at that point.

Response by Cpl Jeff Ruffing made Jan 31 at 2018 4:54 PM

2018-01-31T16:54:23-05:00

Ok, I have been waiting 21 years to tell this story. I was stationed in Germany at Pinder Kaserne. I was with a band and we were getting ready to go practice for an upcoming battle of the bands. It was in the middle of the week. I had purchased a shark tooth earring from one of the vendors at the PX and was wearing it after hours. I was with a friend over at one of the barracks, and he was looking for another guy for something. We had to stop off at the CQ desk due to the Cpt rules. Rumor had it that this Cpt was someone of a stickler for rules and following them. Low and behold, who’s standing at the CQ desk, but the Cpt himself and a LT. As my friend was signing in, the Cpt was looking at me hard and I knew he wanted to say something to me about my earring. So, my nature was never to run, but, fight it out. I asked him “ Sir, seems like you want to say something to me...” The Cpt asked want unit I was with. Once he found out I wasn’t with his unit he seemed disappointed he couldn’t “ correct” me. I pushed him some more by asking why he wanted to know what unit I was in. The Cpt asked if my commander allowed for and on duty person to wear earrings. I told the Cpt no, that my commander didn’t allow that. The Cpt then asked why I was wearing the earring then. I told the Cpt I was off duty. The Cpt then stated” Well, you’re lucky your not in my unit, because my men are on duty from Monday morning at 5am till Friday night at 1700 hours. Therefore they weren’t allowed to wear earrings” I stared intently at this Cpt and then said,” Well, Sir, you and this LT and I need to go over to the post club and arrest every member of your unit that is in there and drinking. Because they are drinking on duty!” The LT had tears streaming down his face as he tried not to bust out laughing at the Cpt. The Cpt has one of those surprised looks on his face that was classic of one who tasted shoe leather. My friend and I conducted our business and left the barracks. My philosophy about what you want to wear and how you wear it, as long as it’s not on duty, interferes with the work, and harms no one, let it be. That’s at least my humble opinion, maybe not the military’s.

Response by PO3 Tom Adams made Feb 4 at 2018 12:05 AM

2018-02-04T00:05:59-05:00

Not on my Watch

Response by SGT Ronald Bacon made Feb 5 at 2018 2:21 AM

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Reading all these comments just makes me so happy I am no longer serving my country. I spent years of my life defending Americans rights of freedoms why on earth are we taking them away from ourselves? If on Friday night he dresses like that but Monday morning he is in uniform willing to do anything required of him in defending our country then there is no problem in my eyes. Like any other price of paper it’s our understanding of the text we base our opinions. We would pool our energy on the real issues we face suicide.

Response by SSG Steven Lemon made Feb 5 at 2018 6:22 AM

2018-02-05T06:22:23-05:00

Its not something I would do, but I doubt there is a regulation that PROHIBITS males wearing earrings, black lipstick, finger jewelry and ripped pants.
I suppose since they are now allowed to choose their own gender, what they wear is nothing to talk about.
Am I extremely happy that I got out when I did?
Does a brown bear poopoo in the bushes?

Response by CPL Diana Rosgallio made Feb 10 at 2018 11:54 PM

2018-02-10T23:54:26-05:00

I’m still attempting to wrap my head around this insane question. I’m glad I was in the old Army. Hoorah!

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 11 at 2018 3:54 AM

2018-02-11T03:54:48-05:00

earrings. Only thing you can gig him on.

MSG Bo

Response by SSgt Trenton Losh made Feb 19 at 2018 2:06 PM

2018-02-19T14:06:34-05:00

I am unsure as to how this post turned into gay and transgender bashing since that had nothing to do with the question.

Should military maintain a professional image on post while off duty, yes. To me, if that same member is off duty/off post, then they should be fine to do as they please, pending any rules stating otherwise for that specific command/branch.

Wearing earring when going to a club has no negative impact on my job nor the military. I'd never wear them when entering a government installation.

As far as ripped clothes, I don't personally wear them, but if installation rules no, then no. Off location/off duty wear them as long as you are not at a military function nor performing any act that displays your in the military.

Most of these rules were made before ripped jeans were the fashion and mass produced. Men wear make-up these days in there day to day. Make-up doesn't mean he looks like a clown, rather wearing basic make-up to improve his appearance. Yes we are in a world where men car about that type of thing.

Response by David Schauer made Mar 9 at 2018 12:19 PM

2018-03-09T12:19:38-05:00

USN vet here.
I’m shocked that they had the balls to have you “direct dial” their superiors.
I preferred a block cut to a taper cut and got stopped a couple times by CPO/SCPO
who thought I should have a taper. NEVER did I challenge them. Just nodded and said yes SENIOR CHIEF! And moved on.

Response by LCpl Cameron Doscher made Mar 22 at 2018 3:45 PM

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I don't know about the Army but that would never fly in the Marines.i would worry more about what your platoon would do to you off the books for that.you are representing all the honorable men in your branch that came before you.would you want your enemies to see u and fear for their lives or laugh their asses off at a pic of u lipsticked up looking like a damn clown......you know u know the answer

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 22 at 2018 5:36 PM

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Believe me, I have corrected my airmen when they wore earrings after hours on the base and I showed them the regs. The difficulty was when one airman wrote to the Secretary of the Air Force to try having the regs changed for him to dress in the female uniform, PT test as a female, and be allowed to use the female restrooms in all base facilities. In my opinion, it was a slap in the face to our military.

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 23 at 2018 6:16 PM

2018-03-23T18:16:13-04:00

I hope not!

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 23 at 2018 6:22 PM

2018-03-23T18:22:19-04:00

Why tho

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 23 at 2018 6:22 PM

2018-03-23T18:22:28-04:00

Y tho

Response by 1SG Klayton W. Hayes made Mar 24 at 2018 2:07 PM

2018-03-24T14:07:19-04:00

Beam me up, just beam me up.

Response by SPC Kevin Pora made Mar 30 at 2018 8:37 PM

2018-03-30T20:37:01-04:00

Good Lord! Why are you doing this to us? This is ludicrous!

Response by SSG Ken Schiffner made Apr 2 at 2018 3:39 PM

2018-04-02T15:39:55-04:00

I think most people here are getting their shorts in a bunch about nothing. I served from 1984-1993 (active and reserve). The majority of my time was spent as an NCO in Infantry Units. First of all, black lipstick and black fingernails probably have nothing to do with gender bending. I had a SPC4 at Ft Carson that was into goth music and used to go to clubs in Denver where this music was being played. He would go with his girlfriend and usually wore makeup and black fingernail polish. He was not representing the US Army at the time, and none of this ran over into his on duty performance and appearance. I thought it was weird as hell but the guy was at work, in uniform, and on time. I also had subordinates, and knew many soldiers who wore earrings off duty, including NCO's and officers. There might be a reg against the earrings that I'm unaware of, and being on post may be an issue, but I personally had no issue with whatever any of my guys did off duty as long as it wasn't criminal, and they were standing tall for PT on Monday morning.

Response by SFC Cheryl McElroy US ARMY (RET) made Apr 4 at 2018 5:03 PM

2018-04-04T17:03:26-04:00

Are they drag queens? Good god, I am so glad I retired before Obama dicked up the military.

Response by SFC Ralph E Kelley made Apr 6 at 2018 7:28 PM

2018-04-06T19:28:58-04:00

How did you know it was their Commander? If you had called me I would have told whatever flavor of beer I was drinking.
I once had a private that could mimic anyone's voice. Everyone learned to ID the speaker eye-to-eye before doing anything. Yes, it did get him in hot water. Our Colonel was not amused

Response by Sgt John Palek made Apr 8 at 2018 5:51 AM

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I am a male, 65 years old. I served USAF 72 - 78. I didn't see a lot of males dressed in the manner described. But, really, I believe this is what we fought for. The right (to use that word), of people to express their individuality. I realize you are talking on base but off duty. I may not agree with how you present yourself but I agree with your ability to do so. Unless you are going in to the Admin bldg or some other military business, then you should be at least business casual. Before you get too critical, our generation was the end of civilization as we knew it! Remember tie-dyed t-shirts, long hair and that rock and roll stuff that wasn't music? Peace symbols, wearing sandals off the beach. Our generation may have had it's share of controversy, but the world is still here and still turning. Let's embrace the fact that these individuals can exercise this ability to dress as they feel and not be under a totalitarian regime. I don't agree with it but I put my life on the line to defend it. Thank you, rant over. Now back to your regularly scheduled programming.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 9 at 2018 7:18 AM

2018-04-09T07:18:02-04:00

AR 670-1 para 3-4d(4) dated 25 May 2017 states, "When male and female Soldiers are not in uniform and off duty, earring wear is not restricted as long as the earrings do not create or support ear gauging (enlarged holes in the lobe of the ear, greater than 1.6mm)."

Response by 2LT Ronald Reimer made Apr 9 at 2018 7:49 AM

2018-04-09T07:49:09-04:00

Thank you! You just reminded me today of another reason that I am glad that I am out. (Out of the service, not “out of the closet”).

Response by LT Ed Skiba made Apr 9 at 2018 8:38 PM

2018-04-09T20:38:41-04:00

14 yrs enlisted, 4 yrs Warrant Officer and 4 years Commissioned. Stupid crap like this is why I retired. Just sayin'.

Response by CPO Michael Callegri made Apr 10 at 2018 3:27 PM

2018-04-10T15:27:40-04:00

I'm just glad I'm retired and don't have to make these kind of judgement calls.

Response by CPT John J. Dobise Jr. made Apr 10 at 2018 7:26 PM

2018-04-10T19:26:20-04:00

You mean like Cpl Klinger?

Response by SPC(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 12 at 2018 5:11 PM

2018-04-12T17:11:55-04:00

Please tell me my beloved military has not resorted to allowing such conduct on base by soldiers! If so, our military is in way more trouble than I thought.

Response by COL John Turner made Apr 15 at 2018 2:21 PM

2018-04-15T14:21:49-04:00

Given the current state of leadership and the lack application of UCMJ it is not likely that this would be found to be against reg's. That said, I do not believe that such actions bring good order to the organization.

John Turner

Response by SMSgt Clyde Hunter made Apr 23 at 2018 2:25 AM

2018-04-23T02:25:43-04:00

Every post has rules about dress, but mostly about offensive wording or exposing body parts. If it doesn't cross that line and their is a natural color...except for lady soldiers that push the line with some of the fashionable colors...not to be confused with soldiers that are also females. There's a difference. You soldiers that are female know it. More than guys even. Bottom line: If it isn't prohibited within post policy it isn't prohibited. Geez, I don't know why anyone gets wound up about off-duty fashion. Were'nt all you SNCO's young soldiers at one time. Not you fast-burners, the ones that fucked up once in a while and took some time to get promoted. Like me. LOL

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 23 at 2018 5:45 PM

2018-04-23T17:45:53-04:00

We as a organization with rich traditions and standards that made the Armed Forces unique from any other organization have carry on with our Esprit de corps and our military way of life. We our set apart from the norms of civilian life for these particular reasons. One: We have to discipline ourselves during conflict and in peace time to maintain the image that been bestowed upon us. Two: Civilians hold us in high regard and standards that are not visible in society. Three: We are 1% of the general population, no matter of the rank, we have to maintain our status of uniquious and respect that differs from the general population.
Four: We are not civilans! We are highly trained force to defend enemies foreign and domestic. We need update the AR 670-1 for civilian clothing.

Response by CPO Jim Fulton made Apr 25 at 2018 8:25 PM

2018-04-25T20:25:09-04:00

Hell no!

Response by CPT Don Kemp made Apr 25 at 2018 8:30 PM

2018-04-25T20:30:43-04:00

Twenty years ago, I went to an Atlanta area water theme park. Two young men were behind me in line - swim trunks; no shirts....Nipple Rings shining in the sun. They seemed to have military haircuts so I struck up a conversation expecting them to be junior enlisted from Ft. Benning. I was surprised when both said they were USMA graduates attending Infantry Officer Basic Course.

Response by SSG Jeremy Sharp made Apr 25 at 2018 8:46 PM

2018-04-25T20:46:36-04:00

I am not sure how that is viewed now but I remember an Air Force Commander at Rhein Main Airbase that made an Airman and soldier at the main gate remove their earrings. They complained that it was their right to wear them and he explained while that is true, he was the commander and it was his decision who was allowed to enter his post and under what conditions they may do so. Remove the earrings or about face and leave! They removed them.

Response by PO1 William Wade made Apr 29 at 2018 1:02 PM

2018-04-29T13:02:55-04:00

I find this repugnant.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 29 at 2018 7:39 PM

2018-04-29T19:39:12-04:00

My take on this having been in the military for 24 years and having had soldiers who were gay straight and or Goth or whatever types is that you signed up to be a soldier. Whether on duty or not while contracted to serve this country one needs to act according to what it is to be a soldier. That goes on and off base but, by all means wear what you want away from people who know you. If caught not acting or representing the military (whatever branch). If there is an UCMJ law is in place your senior officer might make an example of you in anyway he chooses in accordance with military law. You know what you signed up for don't try to skirt the grey area just to prove a point. You will most likely come up short. Do your duty. Get out and then do anything you want.

Response by Cpl Geoff Smith made May 1 at 2018 11:03 AM

2018-05-01T11:03:04-04:00

WTF? Are they kidding?

Response by SPC Deon Holmes made May 2 at 2018 7:02 AM

2018-05-02T07:02:19-04:00

I know and it's the ultimate truth. The gay agenda knows no boundaries!
It doesn't care for person or station. That is not an attack on anyone who is of the lifestyle it's just the truth as written here
http://www.againstequality.org/files/refugees_from_amerika_a_gay_manifesto_1969.pdf

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Response by Sgt Robert Gardner made May 5 at 2018 1:51 PM

2018-05-05T13:51:18-04:00

That is a question that never would have been asked when I was in the service because no one would even consider it and just reading a question like that makes me wonder what in the world is happening in the armed forces.

Response by SSG Michael Vance made May 22 at 2018 3:28 PM

2018-05-22T15:28:27-04:00

Every NCO instinct says "NOTONLY NO BUT HELL NO!!" Then I have been retired for nearly 21 years now and have missed out fortunately on most all of the social engineering in the Armed Forces

Response by SGT Gary Guessh made Jun 2 at 2018 10:16 AM

2018-06-02T10:16:42-04:00

If they want to off duty and off base. In 1969 there was a 2nd Lt that was caught crossdressing off post and got busted. While under "house arrest - restricted" he sneaked out in full drag again and again got busted. I believe he received an undesirable discharge at the end of the proceedings.

Response by SPC Joseph Wojcik made Jun 2 at 2018 10:23 AM

2018-06-02T10:23:13-04:00

No, not on post at least. The only way a soldier can be excused of crossdressing is if they are going to a midnight screening of Rocky Horror, or their name is Cpl Klinger.

Response by Pvt Antonio Reyes made Jun 3 at 2018 2:12 AM

2018-06-03T02:12:47-04:00

Depends, Situation Dictates. There are also many factors to what MOS Or Cross MOS They are signed up for. Besides if it's for a mission if they're ok with it as long as they're not Wearing our Military Official Uniform Out of Regulations then why would you even assume they're Soldiers.

Response by Sgt Steve Williams made Jun 10 at 2018 8:22 PM

2018-06-10T20:22:38-04:00

Did Corporal Klinger submit this?

Response by SFC Robert Townsend made Jun 18 at 2018 9:33 AM

2018-06-18T09:33:16-04:00

I can’t believe your asking the question! What the h3ll is wrong with people these days? If you join a team it should not be to corrupt it, but to augment it! If you can’t comply with rules, regulations, or directives that’s your problem... Not everyone that wants to serve is acceptable! Medically or mentally.

Response by SSG Mark Franzen made Jun 24 at 2018 7:50 PM

2018-06-24T19:50:24-04:00

why on earth would someone ask such question I think that your in the wrong branch of service!!!!

Response by PO3 Robert Gunderson made Jun 29 at 2018 6:32 AM

2018-06-29T06:32:38-04:00

Be glad you got off with a warning. Since you joined your on duty and off duty looks will make a statement to the public, both in and of the united states. Beleve me if what you are waring off duty offends another countries represenitive your co and command will find out. Pluse think of this you are an unofficial ambassador of the United States Military. So everything is about the details. This includes on duty and in the vernacular of my service on liberty. In my old command if you showed up like that for liberty, you were sent back to "clean up your image' by the officer of the deck. It also could have command pull a supprise uniform inspection or locker inspection. If you do not pass those you know what will happen then.

Response by SSgt Joshua Couts made Jun 29 at 2018 7:37 PM

2018-06-29T19:37:24-04:00

Since when did the military become a democracy? This is behavior unbecoming a member of the military and undermines cohesiveness and discipline. Troops cant act however the feel and its disgraceful and an embarrassment to our Nation!

Response by Sgt William Collins made Jul 8 at 2018 2:09 PM

2018-07-08T14:09:19-04:00

Soldiers? Sure, why not?

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 8 at 2018 2:11 PM

2018-08-08T14:11:15-04:00

SGT Private RallyPoint Member What isn't clear to me from your description of the encounter was if the soldier was transgender (or transitioning). If not, then my understanding is you are correct and whatever the service-specific off-duty civilian clothing regs are in place would apply. If the solider is transitioning, they might very well be operating under an Exception-to-Policy (ETP), that actually requires them to conduct RLE (Real Life Experience) in the opposite gender during off duty hours as part of their Command-approved transition plan. It is possible the soldier wanted to head off an argument and was seeking top cover by referring you to their command, who would have knowledge about this not-super-well-known process. Of course I wasn't there, just contributing my $.02 and perhaps providing some illumination on the administrative transition process for those who haven't been exposed to it. Of course, things like ripped jeans (I believe the term is "clothing in disrepair") is prohibited anyway, I guess I was speaking to the cosmetics and jewelry.

Response by CPL James Covalucci made Jan 12 at 2019 11:15 AM

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Response by SCPO Carl Wayne Boss made Jan 12 at 2019 5:18 PM

2019-01-12T17:18:04-05:00

Nor should there be... As long as they're in One of the Nation's Services, They're Representing the Red, White & Blue and Our Nation... Which has Standards & Service Members need to reflect those Standards, Whether on Duty or NOT!
There's a way to cure the problem... We used to call it an "Unsuitability Discharge"... Do they use those any more?
Perhaps they should! If there are Members that don't wish to conform with the "Norms" of "Military Society", then return them to "Civilian Society" where they can behave like undisciplined boobs! Good Riddance...
Senior Chief Boss, U.S. Coast Guard CRP Command Enlisted Advisor (Retired)

Response by SPC Jennifer Hobbs made Jun 4 at 2019 8:34 PM

2019-06-04T20:34:46-04:00

There's been some great points brought up (even from those whose perspectives I disagree with). Frankly, the regs could use an update that is more reflective of a culture promoting equality. This particular regulation is one of those that stands out for having such different rules for two categories of soldiers (male vs. female). It creates animosity. It's unfair. It detracts from implementing positive changes to Army culture and keeps the male soldiers vs. females soldiers perspectives in high gear (instead of of the "we're all green, all soldiers"). These kinds of regulations, where different standards by gender are unwarranted, are what keep hostile things like sexual/gender-related harassment, abuse, assault, and other traumas prominent issues in the Army.

A contributing factor to why we have refrained from making it a single set of standards for off-duty dress is because of American culture. You can't raise females from birth to be appearance-focused, wearing certain clothes (dresses, skirts, etc.), make-up, jewelry and so forth to the point that it becomes tied up in their very identity and then tell them they can't wear those things while off-duty during their time in service - it would create the perception that the Army is for men only and females need not apply unless they want to lose their right to all things that make them who they are and stand apart from the culture they are meant to serve. But then men are expected to deny themselves any lee-way in "traditional" ideas of what men are allowed to wear in a society rapidly changing and waking up to realization that the binary-gender roles are man-made concepts that not all men agree upon. They, then, are being asked to deny themselves the right to stand within the culture they are serving. It's smacking them in their face that women are getting separate treatment where the regulations are concerned.

If a female can dress as a male (forgo the dresses and skirts and jewelry and make-up, shave their heads), then a male--in an equal environment--should be allowed to dress as a female: The lipstick, nail polish, earrings, fashion, etc. that a female solider--by regulations--is allowed to wear should be permitted under those same regulations for males. This is a simple, no-brainer, straight-forward approach that could alleviate many of the problems still rampant within Army culture. It comes with growing pains only because it deviates so much from the norm that the generations before had (in some cases, literally) beaten into them and passed on and continuing even into today. (We could go the opposite direction and make the reg more restrictive for females, but it would be in such stark contrast with general American society that it would be considerably more difficult to implement and probably not worth the cost in the long-run.) Sometimes, we just have to let go of the things we may personally dislike but aren't physically hurting anyone.

All that said, the regulation itself is important. As mentioned, soldiers are 24/7 even "off" duty. There is a need for a clean, professional look. Make-up, jewelry, and fashion are going to change, but one can still wear "ripped" clothing and look clean in the same way one may have a tattoo that is allowable. (There is a huge difference in the look of someone who practiced proper hygiene and put on an outfit and accessories in modern styles--including ripped/torn look--and putting on old, torn, grunged up clothes in an obvious "I don't give an f----" attitude that is out of sync with the level of professionalism expected of a soldier.) It is a balancing act between our personal tastes and biases and the regulation - a bit of common sense is required.

Likewise, if an NCO is going to call someone out (male or female) on their attire, they need to have a clear indication as to why and express it. Is it because of the regulation? Exactly how is the soldier failing to abide by the regulation?

I can recall an incident as a young PFC, stepping out into a warm Alaska afternoon (by warm, I mean it was around 45 degrees after several months of negative degree weather) wearing what by today would have been totally culturally appropriate for a young female adult. However, the 1SG who stopped me on my two-minute walk from one building to another clearly decided, in that instantaneous way, that I was dressed like every kind of negative stereotype you could slap on a female. But did he reference the reg, which would have quickly made me go do my homework and then correct myself like a good soldier? Or even point out that I was dressed in a manner completely inappropriate as a representative of the US Army (as *all* soldiers are) and given me a rightfully lawful order to turn my happy self right around and change which I would have been obligated to do, even off-duty (he wasn't my command, but he still far outranked me!)? Yeah, no, he went with "You're going to get frostbite dressed like that." Which, as a medic, sounded to be the dumbest thing I'd heard that day and the 1SG instantly lost my respect as I easily countered his basis for suggesting I change. (I did *not* change that day and that 1SG did *not* follow that conversation up with my command).

As my experience illustrates with this regulation, the issue you may have encountered may not have been one of were you in the right for calling him out on violating the regulation, but more on your approach and argument in the moment. If your command referred you back to the regulation, there may be something to the particular situation that they are seeing and it could very well have something to do with approach given the sensitive nature of this particular regulation *regardless* of gender. Freshened up on the regulation, perhaps the next question is how to most professionally and tactfully implement and address it as a leader of fellow soldiers?

Response by SFC Joseph Tidwell made Jun 30 at 2019 7:00 AM

2019-06-30T07:00:48-04:00

I have always said, "We live in a dictatorship so others can live in a democracy!" In answer to the above question, "Why would you want to?"

Response by MAJ Ron Peery made May 8 at 2020 6:20 PM

2020-05-08T18:20:08-04:00

I had a 1SG who noticed a soldier wearing an earring in formation one morning. He walked over to the kid, reached out, gently grasped the jewelry, and ripped it from his ear. Then he held his trophy up and announced in a loud voice "Not in my GD formation!" These days he'd be prosecuted, but I still think he was a great 1SG. It's the military, not a rave or a LGBTQ convention. Get with the program, or get out.

Response by PFC Donnie Harold Harris made May 16 at 2020 10:24 AM

2020-05-16T10:24:17-04:00

Yes if they want to get there ass handed to them. This would be a challenge to the Ideal of historic military service. It runs deep.

Response by SP5 Gene Hutchins made Jun 19 at 2020 10:32 PM

2020-06-19T22:32:37-04:00

It seems that this soldier has some questionable judgement as well as an issue about his sexual orientation. Now Iam a 70 year old man that was discharged in 1971 after 2 years in
Vietnam.

Response by SSgt Dennis Mangrum made Jun 20 at 2020 10:02 PM

2020-06-20T22:02:41-04:00

In the pic above, is the service person within there branch weight perameters? Far right.

Response by SSG George Holtje made Jun 21 at 2020 10:47 PM

2020-06-21T22:47:48-04:00

Earrings are a NO since 97.
The stars and striped front page literally said "Army sticks it to Soldiers"
Piercings of any kind cannot be worn on post even off duty.

Response by Jerry Rivas made Nov 7 at 2020 7:17 PM

2020-11-07T19:17:02-05:00

You never know.......Perhaps he is in the queen berets????

Response by PFC Flor Gomez made Nov 17 at 2020 12:17 PM

2020-11-17T12:17:11-05:00

Well crap if you have to ask that question you may want to consider having a Marine mentality to the extreme they have in pride (no offense to any other branches) and carrying yourself in a certain matter that you're above that and no longer your own but Uncle Sam's!!!! Hoooaaahhh, Urrraah!!! Onward and forward, can't look back! You're either in or you're out, that's my say. **Sh**balls, smh**

Response by PFC Gustavo Castillo made Nov 17 at 2020 5:13 PM

2020-11-17T17:13:27-05:00

I'm not agree that soldiers wear lipsticks neither earrings, let those things for the girls. Males have to show their masculinity.

Response by Lt Col John Culley made Nov 19 at 2020 11:33 AM

2020-11-19T11:33:17-05:00

Male soldiers can wear earrings in uniform if they are used as a cosmetic device to cover war wounds to the ear lobe like Moshe Dayan's famous eye patch. I recall an airman with a cosmetic earring who was chewed out by a colonel until he produced his medical record and purple heart documentation and then took off his large disk shaped earring to reveal the damage to his ear lobe.

Response by CPL Ruben Calderon made Dec 2 at 2020 2:52 PM

2020-12-02T14:52:51-05:00

Won't your finger jewlery get suck in your M-16, you freak.

Response by CPO Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 15 at 2020 1:07 PM

2020-12-15T13:07:47-05:00

McDonald is hiring.

Response by SSG Alfred Woods made Dec 15 at 2020 5:08 PM

2020-12-15T17:08:11-05:00

Well, I've been retired now for a little more than twenty years and I don't think the military has really changed so much that a command would need to go as far as the root in explaining the appropriate attire for a soldier. First off, as for what I remember, a soldier is never off duty. A soldier is released from duty, to go to their quarters or home, to eat, rest or take care of family matters. A soldier can and or will be called in for duty at anytime after being released. So, this would clear the air about a soldier being off duty, because a commander will always release the company to the subordinate leaders and the subordinate leaders, will again release the personnel to a platoon sergeant, who will release the platoon for the day or weekend. Never will a leader tell a soldier, he/she is off duty. So, as for the wearing of clothing, yes a soldier can and should be corrected, if his/her appearance is inappropriate .

Response by SFC James High made Dec 16 at 2020 1:59 PM

2020-12-16T13:59:30-05:00

No Male Soldier is allowed to wear those items off duty on post for any reason. I also feel that all Soldiers should appear on/off post in a professional manner when ever out in the public eye! This is to include the wearing of swim wear and other activity specific clothing items. Colored hair is never appropriate unless it is of a natural occurring hair color (green, purple, and pink are definitely inappropriate).

Response by MSgt Mason Manner made Dec 16 at 2020 5:41 PM

2020-12-16T17:41:09-05:00

DON'T YOU get IT we are a nation in decline!But no one wants to admit it. We've become a culture of feel good/look good I don't want to get dirty/work hard save money build capital be independent.Almost everyone goes to college to escape responsibly as compared to gaining knowledge for more responsibility.Keep in mind not that many years ago members fained being gay now that the military is a well paying profession every one wanted in except the crossection of the population we need to maintain the Republic

Response by SGT William Hilliard made Dec 16 at 2020 11:45 PM

2020-12-16T23:45:59-05:00

When you are off duty you are still a soldier 24/7 until your pcs out. You should be proud of your professionalism as a US Soldier.

Response by SMSgt Bob W. made Dec 17 at 2020 1:13 AM

2020-12-17T01:13:44-05:00

Colin, if the regulations does forbid it, then it must approve it. Your personal views are not valid in this situation.

Response by Cpl Kyle Rollins made Dec 25 at 2020 12:52 PM

2020-12-25T12:52:35-05:00

Soldiers can - Marines can’t

Response by SPC Cara Alligood made Dec 27 at 2020 4:23 PM

2020-12-27T16:23:41-05:00

Why are you specifically targeting male soldiers, and since when were they ever not able to wear civilian clothes on post? Goth (now emo, I guess) guys do live on the barracks and have since I was on active duty in the 90s. What do you expect them to do, go off post to get dressed before they go to a concert? I remember seeing guys running around in cowboy boots, giant belt buckles, and bent up hats looking like they walked straight out of a Village People song in the late 80s. How is that any different?

Response by CW5 Mark Smith made Dec 28 at 2020 12:20 PM

2020-12-28T12:20:31-05:00

Male Soldiers?!

Response by SSG Greg Miech made Dec 28 at 2020 11:06 PM

2020-12-28T23:06:34-05:00

Take a picture of him and send it to his command and their higher and ask if this is a representation of his command. But a torn uniform does not make it acceptable for civilian wear by active duty. This soldier will amount to nothing anyway.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 5 at 2021 4:36 PM

2021-01-05T16:36:15-05:00

It been a while since I've read the regulations and correct me if I'm wrong but according to regs a soldier is supposed to look professional while both on and off duty especially on post

Response by Col Tri Trinh made Jan 5 at 2021 8:11 PM

2021-01-05T20:11:47-05:00

To each his own, but there are unintended consequences.
I believe in keeping what should be private very private and keeping a clear line from the professional image.
Like it or not, the reality is ... perceptions will impact how people treat and react to you.

Response by SGT Frances Richardson made Jan 6 at 2021 12:46 PM

2021-01-06T12:46:43-05:00

I'm out of the military but as I scroll down this topic, I'm glad to see most of the commenters are out as well or will be soon enough. You can say that people should adhere to a standard without the toxicity. All of these "back in my days", yeah, and back in your day, it was okay to call people derogatory names PER ARMY REGULATIONS so your little stories don't amount for much.

Response by SFC David Drury made Jan 7 at 2021 1:01 AM

2021-01-07T01:01:59-05:00

If they want their ass kicked... go for it

Response by Cpl Eric Day made Jan 7 at 2021 7:38 AM

2021-01-07T07:38:18-05:00

Soldiers should wear it all the time it would be a better direct reflection. Ooohrah marines

Response by MSG Pat SingR made Jan 7 at 2021 1:46 PM

2021-01-07T13:46:59-05:00

Nowadays, yes! Because there are plenty of ACLU shark lawyers out, there will make the military bend down for them. --We have seen it happen already. I never thought that transgender could join. Now they can. Don't get me wrong that they cannot serve, but when the APFT comes, it will make them an advantage over the others.

Response by CMSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 7 at 2021 6:33 PM

2021-01-07T18:33:56-05:00

The "buck" needs to stop! Ther are clubs and groups for that....not my military!

Response by CPO Albert Kennison made Jan 7 at 2021 7:06 PM

2021-01-07T19:06:02-05:00

If you want to dress like a CLOWN, join the CIRCUS, not the military. GET REAL!!!

Response by 1stSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 8 at 2021 8:30 AM

2021-01-08T08:30:55-05:00

Proper civilian attire. Eccentricity does not comport with proper civilian attire. What this knucklehead does in his own home, off post, and out of the public eye is his business. But when he steps into the public and especially on base, he'd better shape up and conform to the regs.

Response by 1SG Ernest Stull made Jan 8 at 2021 3:10 PM

2021-01-08T15:10:04-05:00

It's on the way. The regulations are a changing. Glad I am retired.

Response by MSG Brian Keene made Jan 8 at 2021 9:35 PM

2021-01-08T21:35:01-05:00

If you’re an active duty soldier, you’re NEVER off duty. You meet military standards wherever, whenever, unless you’re on leave.

Response by SGT Steven Wade made Jan 9 at 2021 2:16 AM

2021-01-09T02:16:18-05:00

Pretty soon will be in formation.

Response by TSgt David Whitmore made Jan 9 at 2021 8:39 PM

2021-01-09T20:39:44-05:00

These kinds of infractions were happening while I was active duty (78-98); we all tried to push our boundaries. In the Air Force, I kept the length of hair 1/8 of an inch longer that allowed, and my 'Hitler-style mustache' AT my upper lip when it when it was not supposed to touch the lip according to the regulations. Those men with very kinky hair would pack their hair tight for when they were on duty and comb it out to its maximum length when off duty. Back then, the regulations specified how each individual was to dress and outlined what one could do on duty and implied how they were to behave off duty; because they represented the military when out in the civilian world. We were also to present a 'professional appearance' at all times; 24/7 out in public.
Toward the end of my career, while the regulations were the same many of my compatriots became a bit lax in enforcing them.
In today's society, I believe that many people are insisting on 'having their own way. And if they don't get to do what they want, they throw tantrums. Discipline and self-discipline are virtually non-existent (my opinion). Emotions rule and supervisors and commanders fear upsetting anyone (again, my opinion). During the aftermath of 9-11, in late November, during one of my many medical appointments I overheard numerous conversations, people expressing dismay that they 'had to work inconvenient hours... being at work an hour or two earlier than normal, or working three 12 hour days in a row, or having to work on a weekend day, and other hardship complaints. And again, in my opinion, discipline has gotten in more lax as time approaches the current day.

What do the current regulations state about how one should dress, or how they should act and represent their branch of military service. Those should be your guide.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 9 at 2021 8:42 PM

2021-01-09T20:42:32-05:00

So what you have no concept of uniformity or teamwork or being on a team. Best for you to just go ahead and get out.

Response by SPC Ted Heath made Jan 10 at 2021 11:06 AM

2021-01-10T11:06:54-05:00

Been a while since I was in. No one, male or female, dared dress that way then. Kids today dress differently for some reason. I guess trashy is in. I never allowed my own kids to dress that way, even though it was “in”. Someone needs to draw the line somewhere. There are plenty of places for soldiers to go and dress how ever they want. A military installation should appear professional at all times. If trashy dress is allowed, why not do away with police call and all the other things that make the installation shiny and professional looking?

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 10 at 2021 11:56 AM

2021-01-10T11:56:29-05:00

I have never been so happy to be retired.

Response by MSG Jacqueline Case made Jan 10 at 2021 1:26 PM

2021-01-10T13:26:34-05:00

All can say on this one is, the Army is not what it used to be

Response by SPC Chris Ison made Jan 11 at 2021 11:57 AM

2021-01-11T11:57:29-05:00

Well a cursory read of AR 670-1 states two things:

One you must be uniform and on duty, for the regulations to matter.

All other regulations are local policy and should be established by the local commander. So, you need to find out if your post has any civilian clothing regulations.

If his commander has no policy, then you are spinning your wheels.

His commander basically told you to fuck off too, get the fucking hint.

Response by SGM Kenneth Stanton made Jan 11 at 2021 3:51 PM

2021-01-11T15:51:28-05:00

I do not know the legal response, however I would have to say absoultly not. Please keep in mind that I have been retired for over 30 years and am not up to date with everything crazy they allow these days. But, I still say NO!!

Response by PVT Mark Zehner made Jan 11 at 2021 6:34 PM

2021-01-11T18:34:17-05:00

My Drill Sergeant just rolled over in his grave and he's still alive! I have no real issue if someone wants to dress.like the opposite sex on their own time and lets keep it classy. Remember though they may have trouble keeping others respect when gaining rank.

Response by SSgt Daniel d'Errico made Jan 12 at 2021 3:42 PM

2021-01-12T15:42:23-05:00

You're either in the military or not. Trying to be fashionable is not part of military service. You shall adhere to base/post/Bn/sqdrn regulations on the permitted wear of civilian clothing and make up. Especially the wear if makeup. Remember, Halloween is only once a year. Not all year long.

Response by Sgt James Gross made Jan 26 at 2021 9:11 AM

2021-01-26T09:11:10-05:00

To my way of thinking (old school) that is totally out of character and dishonors the uniform.

Response by SFC Melvin Brandenburg made Feb 18 at 2021 12:33 AM

2021-02-18T00:33:16-05:00

My last reading of 670-1 and post guidance said not. at. all.

Response by SFC Wilfredo Ramos made Mar 1 at 2021 7:15 PM

2021-03-01T19:15:18-05:00

AR 670-1, 3–4. Jewelry, (3) and (4) states "Male Soldiers may not wear earrings when in civilian clothes on duty". When male and female Soldiers are not in uniform and off duty, earring wear is not restricted as long as the earrings do not create or support ear gauging (enlarged holes in the lobe of the ear, greater than 1.6 mm).

Response by SP5 Derick Johnsohne made Mar 7 at 2021 1:47 AM

2021-03-07T01:47:58-05:00

i suppose it depends on local regulations . i never looked it up in the book . but when i was not allowed to wear my hippy clothes on post, for my own ass' welfare, i went along .

Response by Maj Dale Smith made Mar 14 at 2021 7:46 PM

2021-03-14T19:46:33-04:00

STFW!? I only witnessed female airmen with inappropriate clothing in deployment duffels. This was being done in lieu of specified and required undergarments. As a male superior I elected to have a female TSGT "explain" to the junior airmen what white underware actually meant. If this is a pervasive problem, perhaps recruiting should be involved. If this is an isolated inciident, a platoon or company 1SG should be able to "explain" the incident to the offender. Uniformality and social behavior are what are on display here. This individual is supposed to be an example of, and is representing the US Army as a warfighter. He is not doing so even when he is off duty. As an officer, I knew I was on "Parade" 24/7 and needed to set an example, even when I was at the mall with my wife watching a movie, or working under my car changing the oil. If there is no Army Reg against this, then it would fall under general conduct and grooming. If there is a resistance to conformaty, then perhaps the individual has been misplaced in National Defense and would be better served by seeking a different profession, such as a female impersenation artist. If the individual was headed to a masquerade ball or Haloween costumn party, it might be different, but if this is on his own volition, he may be like CPL Klinger of MASH fame, and attempting to leave the USA on a secition 8.

Response by LTC David Brown made Mar 14 at 2021 10:53 PM

2021-03-14T22:53:45-04:00

I read through a good number of the posts, many refer to the “good old days”. Well things were not as clear cut as many think. We had a SGT with 17 years in. When he was drafted he clearly stated he was a homosexual. Every time he reuped he says d he was a homosexual. At 16 years of enlistment he was stationed In Germany. While there he got involved as a drag Queen at local clubs. At this point the Army figured out he was a homosexual and was going to try to force him out. He quickly stated “Oh no” with some legal muscle. He had clearly and repeatedly stated his sexual preferences. His case was adjudicated and it was clear he had never hide his sexual preferences. He was allowed to finish his 20 years. I believe his case went to the Supreme Court. The good SGT worked in the medical motor pool and I knew a lot of enlisted that had worked with the SGT. So, things aren’t always really cut and dry.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 15 at 2021 12:55 AM

2021-03-15T00:55:08-04:00

Yes.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 15 at 2021 9:41 AM

2021-03-15T09:41:54-04:00

All I can say is crazy town has now hit the military and there is no stopping it! The way the military is going I don't see the US ever winning another war! This is the more kinder, gentler and, caring military, please come to our safe space for your hugs and your shoulder to cry on!

Response by SSG Matt Murphy made Mar 15 at 2021 2:06 PM

2021-03-15T14:06:37-04:00

Can they? Yes; they can. May they? Good question. If they do, then they can suffer the official and un-official consequences accordingly. As the consequences differ greatly these days, depending on the location, the personnel involved, and the cycles of the moon, I will leave it to you to suffer accordingly. I would suggest a moral compass check before you exercise your anti-social "rights" as some may react to your exercising your rights in a manner you do not wish to enjoy.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 15 at 2021 5:26 PM

2021-03-15T17:26:58-04:00

The end of times is near.

Response by Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 15 at 2021 10:57 PM

2021-03-15T22:57:24-04:00

As I have stated before in previous posts: We all make choices and when we do we have to accept the outcomes of our choices. I have always told my troops, You interview 365 days a year! You volunteered to be a part of an organization and took an oath to obey the instructions and orders of that organization yet you want to challenge those regulations. Go ahead! Do your thing. When it's time for fit-reps and promotion recommendations do not cry and whine when you are non-selected. You have exercised your rights and now your superior will remember and exercise theirs. Just because you show up for an interview and/or counseling looking sharp and saluting smartly yet you choose to proudly deviate from the cultural norm of your Service doesn't mean you get the job. Start thinking about the bigger picture, you are not in high school anymore.

Response by Sara Lucas made Mar 16 at 2021 10:48 AM

2021-03-16T10:48:35-04:00

Oh sweet baby jesus

Response by SGT John Pearson made Mar 16 at 2021 1:18 PM

2021-03-16T13:18:38-04:00

Styles of civilian dress are always changing. Whos to say what's acceptable as long as common decency is observed and no naughty bits are exposed. I would imagine the military has not approved of many "fashions" in the past. Zoot suits come to mind as one example. Now while in uniform, well, that's a completely different thing. Sgt John Pearson

Response by TSgt Lars Eilenfeld made Mar 16 at 2021 2:12 PM

2021-03-16T14:12:07-04:00

Where I do not know what the current regulations are since the Obama administration screwed up the military and Biden is going for the death blow. Personally 25 years ago when the military had Men and Women not 197 genders, if a troop was dressed like this their EPR would have been looked at much harder. Just saying...If the UCMJ went so far as to what type of sex and positions were allowable, (Yes they were in the regs) then appearance on and off duty should be addressed as well. Just because your off duty doesn't mean your no longer in the military until the start of the next work day. Your military 24/7 365. You represent the military should DOD be sending the message that our troops are now a group of whatever you want to call them or are they the most lethal fighting force on the planet? What a shame the US Military has become, they can dress like this but Dr Suess and Speedy Gonzales are threats to the country.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 16 at 2021 3:19 PM

2021-03-16T15:19:02-04:00

It'd be basass to see any size element with black lipstick on, ripped trousers, and earrings ELIMINATING a threat.

Flaming? That is flaming to YOU? Wow.

Response by AN Andrea Castleberry made Mar 17 at 2021 10:43 AM

2021-03-17T10:43:05-04:00

I totally agree. To me, it’s like putting your middle finger up to the military. And when did they implement the stress relief card? So soldiers get a time out when they are being screamed at? Why!! You can’t pull that card in war nor can you do that if the work is hard that day! We really need our REAL MILITARY back. Especially when the most of them can’t take pride in what we stand for because they ONLY came for the G.I Bill. Nothing wrong with that if you recognize that the opportunity is a honor and respected by our nation.

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 17 at 2021 11:43 PM

2021-03-17T23:43:21-04:00

Male Soldiers are not authorized to wear cosmetics unless prescribed medically. However, the reg does not specifically address whether this same standard is applicable off-duty. We also know there are separate rules for personnel transitioning their gender. After a certain point, they can dress, off-duty, the way they identify. There is no specific prohibition to Male Soldiers wearing earrings off-duty as long as the earrings do not create or support ear gauging (enlarged holes in the lobe of the ear, greater than 1.6 mm). Soldiers are associated and identified with the Army in and out of uniform, and when on or off duty. Therefore, when civilian clothing is worn, Soldiers will ensure that their dress and personal appearance are commensurate with the high standards traditionally associated with Army service. Commanders are charged with determining and publishing the local civilian clothing policy. Its best to know your local Senior Commander or Garrison Commander's policies when addressing these issues, AR or DA PAM 670-1 won't have all of the specific answers. Assuming its prohibited simply because "it looks bad," in your opinion, won't hold up during an Article 15 process. TDS would have a field day with the command.

Response by Maj Maria Avellaneda made Mar 18 at 2021 11:19 PM

2021-03-18T23:19:11-04:00

Absolutely no! We are on duty 24/7

Response by CW2 Jalistair B made Mar 19 at 2021 12:23 AM

2021-03-19T00:23:08-04:00

Sounds like O'Biden's military to me!

Response by SGT Lenise Hamilton made Mar 19 at 2021 7:00 PM

2021-03-19T19:00:20-04:00

What the hell! what on earth is going on with the ARMED Forces now-a-days. Please! I'm asking all the new generation of soldiers, let's continue to remain vigilant in serving all forces with "Pride and Dignity". Let's not start to muddying the waters with foolish questions/idea, for we do not want this to become a reality while serving behind the line, especially during times when soldiers are actually covering each others back in worn torn countries. Please! I'm urging whom ever to stop suggesting/bringing non-sense questions like this to any/all Military Forums.

Response by PO2 David Davidson made Mar 21 at 2021 6:14 PM

2021-03-21T18:14:01-04:00

I know it has been a couple of generations since I was on active duty so excuse some of my terminology if it isn't what is in current use, but I think you will get the gist. The military has been the entity that creates the climate where soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines start believing that regs only apply in certain situations. Here is my example and my pet peeve. When I was in, if we were traveling in uniform, using public transportation,, we had to travel in our dress uniform. Now, go to the airport and you see all the service's traveling in BDUs. If we lived off base we could only wear our dungarees in our car (or on a motorcycle) to our residence. No stopping, not even for gas. Now, go to Wal-Mart or Target or anywhere you see people walking around in BDUs. When we stood watch on the main gate we did not wear dungarees or BDUs we wore Class-A uniforms. What do you see, now? Then you expect young enlistees not to push boundaries? When senior staff and non-coms can't even be expected to represent their service in the best possible light, while in public, how can you expect those that you are supposed to be leading not to push the envelope?

Response by PO1 David M Burns made Mar 21 at 2021 10:41 PM

2021-03-21T22:41:02-04:00

A few years ago you were right, but now, especially with the new secdef with sex change paid for and all other weird things, I would not be surprised if it is made official that men can dress and look like women in the Army! thank god for the marines! if a Marine was dressed like that off duty I do believe he would have an instant "attitude" adjustment as they call it.

Response by PO1 David M Burns made Mar 25 at 2021 2:16 AM

2021-03-25T02:16:59-04:00

The CMD must have been a dumb ass! the Army is getting full of them!

Response by CAPT Edward Schmitt made Apr 6 at 2021 8:39 PM

2021-04-06T20:39:40-04:00

As a member of the military we all took an oath of office. Part of that oath is to abide by the UCMJ. Potentially this is a violation of article 134 because it brings discredit upon the armed forces. Granted in a Courts Martial senior officers and enlisted would decide what this entails. Nevertheless this person’s action is obviously attempting to push buttons and does NOT support good order and discipline.

Response by SP5 Norman Binder made Apr 24 at 2021 11:57 AM

2021-04-24T11:57:32-04:00

Only if it's a New Years Eve party.

Response by SFC Tommy Favors made Apr 24 at 2021 10:01 PM

2021-04-24T22:01:00-04:00

This world would be boring if we all look the same. Everyone is unique in many ways. However, that’s why we have uniforms and regulations for the purpose of becoming unified. Besides, there’s no reason to make issues of simple personal preferences that have nothing to do with an individual’s on-duty performance. Jewelry, lipstick and rip clothes are fine as long as his pants are saggy! Whether on or off post, if you have no true justification or legitimate purpose for pursuing action, there could be an harassment issue. Been There! Seen That!

Response by SSG Clayton Lam made Apr 25 at 2021 8:39 PM

2021-04-25T20:39:12-04:00

Male Soldiers are not permitted to wear earrings at anytime. Im not sure about the ripped jeans.

Response by SPC Brian Jones made May 4 at 2021 9:33 AM

2021-05-04T09:33:12-04:00

I know that this is an old post. I ETSed back in 94, but even then, while off duty (on post) we were given the latitude to wear what we wanted (up to a point). I even had a meeting with a CSM in his office and had a earring in. I took it off as a sign of respect at which time he explained that I didn't need to do that as it was within regs and he didn't mind.
I can understand not wanting to see young soldiers walking around the base looking like dirt bags, but everyone needs time to wind down.

Response by CWO3 Robert Fong made May 10 at 2021 3:18 PM

2021-05-10T15:18:37-04:00

Sergeant, let me give you the Sailor's take on this. DON'T! In days past that would earn one a quick trip to the Bosun's Hole. The most a Tar should wear is what ever gets shipped to them by Duke Cannon in a Drop Shipment that does not include female accoutrement. Perhaps those aboard a submarine may want a little more enhanced deodorant. I can assure you that some swab hot racking it with you is not interested in your aberrations; he would appreciate it if you'd hit the showers after a tour in the bilges though. Getting squared away does not mean getting dolled up.

Response by PFC Martin Potashner made May 16 at 2021 2:56 PM

2021-05-16T14:56:01-04:00

have you seen the new army ads what a shame

Response by SP5 Derick Johnsohne made Aug 9 at 2021 1:02 PM

2021-08-09T13:02:41-04:00

all up to the local cdr . i experienced that while (attempting) to wear my flowery hippy pants . not allowed :D .

Response by PO3 Kerry Cooper made Sep 12 at 2021 9:24 PM

2021-09-12T21:24:31-04:00

I am so happy after reading this post and comments that I've been totally out of the military for over 40 years.

Response by SFC Anthony J Johnson made Sep 13 at 2021 7:26 AM

2021-09-13T07:26:01-04:00

The military for our service members is changing to comply with the law as it pertains to sexual orientation in the land today.

Response by SGT Perfecto Cobian made Sep 20 at 2021 7:07 PM

2021-09-20T19:07:26-04:00

Having worked for corporate America, we did not have rules and regulations as the military does, one thing that you learn without anyone telling you is the culture. If you worked for IBM it was dark suit, white shirt and blue tie. You were always a representative of the company. I have seen people get fired for getting drunk and rowdy while traveling on company business.

Response by SSG Jack Scott made Sep 12 at 2022 9:27 PM

2022-09-12T21:27:11-04:00

Welcome to the new Army, Dude looks like a lady!