Can jump status be pulled for failing a PT test?

2019-01-12T00:31:54-05:00

My new 1SG has informed the company that he will be terminating jump statuses for all APFT failures. Is this something he can do? Where can I find a list of requirements to maintain jump status?

Response by SGM Bill Frazer made Jan 12 at 2019 12:45 AM

2019-01-12T00:45:21-05:00

Look, Corps is divided into HHC and HQUSAG, HHC has most the jump slots, HQUSAG has very few- all he has to do is to swap you from 1 company to another, hell you probably would be working in the same staff section. Bottom line why the hell can't you folks pass a simple damn AFPT?

Response by LTC Leonard M. Manning, Sr made Jan 12 at 2019 5:16 AM

2019-01-12T05:16:13-05:00

Your "Wings" are yours you earned them. As for your "Jump Status" as SGM Frazer said it depends on duty assignement and that can be taken away. If you are reassigned to a non-jump position then you would be removed from status and your jump pay would be terminated. The easilest solution for retaining your status and jump pay is to pass your APFT.

Response by Sgt Wayne Wood made Jan 12 at 2019 10:48 AM

2019-01-12T10:48:46-05:00

Pardon me for being obtuse... why can’t you pass your PFT?

Geez dude... show some pride. Instead of researching ‘barracks lawyer’ ways around it get off your dead ass & run a little in your down-time

Response by LTC Jeff Shearer made Jan 12 at 2019 10:55 AM

2019-01-12T10:55:36-05:00

Yes

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 12 at 2019 11:43 AM

2019-01-12T11:43:23-05:00

You are an E-4 and should never fail a PT test. If you fail a PT test, you are not keeping up with your job requirements and do not deserve to keep your jump status. How can someone not pass an AFPT?

Response by SFC Timothy Dutcher made Jan 12 at 2019 12:04 PM

2019-01-12T12:04:31-05:00

Shouldn't one be worried about passing a PT test and staying in the army more than their jump status?

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 12 at 2019 3:23 PM

2019-01-12T15:23:40-05:00

Put down the donuts and hit the gym. Problem solved.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 13 at 2019 4:33 AM

2019-01-13T04:33:35-05:00

Simply put pass your APFT. It isn't hard if you are having difficulty in an area due to a medical condition get checked out recover and pass it. As for removal of status yes he can.

Response by CPT Ray Gilmore made Jan 13 at 2019 8:59 AM

2019-01-13T08:59:49-05:00

Pass the APFT, and there won't be a problem.......

I fully support your 1SG and would have his back straight to the Corps Commander.

If you can't meet the basic standards, you are a risk to your team, your squad, and all of the units around you.

Step up, or step out.

SPC Private RallyPoint Member as an E4, I would be looking at you, to show me your leadership skills..... by turning those NoGo's into Go's.

A good leader will help those affected meet the standard; not look for some sort of regulation to hide behind.....

Because bottom Line: Those failure, represent a risk to you and your unit when you go down range.

Response by SPC Mara Manzer (Spurgin) made Jan 13 at 2019 10:33 AM

2019-01-13T10:33:06-05:00

I would like to add another comment on this. Your rank is Specialist. That is not just a meaningless name of a rank. Here is a very comprehensive definition of what a specialist is: "One who has acquired knowledge and skills through study and practice over the years, in a particular field or subject, to the extent that his or her opinion may be helpful in fact finding, problem solving, or understanding of a situation." Do you think that you fit the bill?

Response by LTC Jeff Shearer made Jan 13 at 2019 11:03 AM

2019-01-13T11:03:34-05:00

Matthew I spent the majority of my 20+ on jump status, I always past the APFT. During my time in it was never even discussed. If someone failed that was one of the first things that happened automatically. Fortunately it did not occur to often, the way I saw if you did not think enough of your job and the unit to do a little PT you were obviously in the wrong place. If we took anyone off jump status for anything other than an injury they were told that was minimum standards and not pass was unacceptable. Get it together or get out.

Response by SGT(P) Michael H. made Jan 13 at 2019 2:07 PM

2019-01-13T14:07:10-05:00

A little advice from an old guy who came into the military at the tender age of 32...Get off your ass and make sure you ALWAYS pass your APFT!! There is NO EXCUSE for a young E4 to be failing a PT test unless there is some kind of underlying physical ailment that has been documented by the appropriate authorities. That being said, even then it is still no damn excuse. Hell, I underwent THREE major shoulder surgeries - including both shoulders 2 on R and 1 on left -, TWO major hip surgeries on the same hip (1 yr and 8 months apart), major stomach surgery, injuries to my neck AND back (from airborne operations!) and I only failed ONE PT test (EVER) just prior to the first hip surgery. After that they were ALL passed. So, I reiterate what others have stated...get off your ass during your down time, turn off the f-ing video games, stop drinking all weekend, and go GET SOME, son! NO EXCUSES!! Old man, out!

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 13 at 2019 3:52 PM

2019-01-13T15:52:38-05:00

Don’t think too have that type of power they can flag you and put you on a pt program to help you to pass your pt test

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 13 at 2019 5:06 PM

2019-01-13T17:06:34-05:00

Reading is a powerful tool. All I will say to that is that failure to gather information leads to failure as a whole. Thomas Sowell states it takes considerable knowledge to realize the extent of your own ignorance. As previously stated I have no problems with passing a PT test. My problem is finding the aforementioned list as well as knowing the authority of my 1SG with more soldiers in TDS/IG/Chaplin than anyone ever thought imaginable.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 13 at 2019 9:47 PM

2019-01-13T21:47:52-05:00

Well SPC Dirt Bag pass you APFT so that type of decision wouldn't have to be made you substandard mouth breather!!!

Response by CSM Richard StCyr made Jan 14 at 2019 3:23 PM

2019-01-14T15:23:05-05:00

Yes; under Para 1-31 of AR 600-8-22, c (b), The Commander (at the 1SGs recommendation) can sideline you until you meet the standard. The commander can also start the revocation of your Airborne Badge process if you fail to maintain the standard and are terminated from airborne status.
In 30 years of service I never failed an APFT regardless of whether I was sick, or stove up (of course I can now predict the weather better than a meteorologist according to how bad my knees, back and neck ache).

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 15 at 2019 8:16 PM

2019-01-15T20:16:45-05:00

I'm sorry but this is hilarious and why I am commissioning. I cannot deal with this type of special

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 16 at 2019 9:38 AM

2019-01-16T09:38:09-05:00

Just read this question and the posts. Some really good answers so far. As you can plainly see, your focus should be on passing the PT test. You say your PT isn't an issue but that's obviously not true. I'll give you my answer as a Company Commander. If a soldier doesn't pass the APFT they can expect to receive no favorable action. Zero. Go ahead and keep looking up regulations. At the end of the day, everyone who sees your question sees it coming from someone who has failed the APFT and is upset about it. They will stop there. The ability to get back on jump status is in your hands, not some regulation.

Response by SFC Timothy Dutcher made Jan 16 at 2019 11:10 AM

2019-01-16T11:10:11-05:00

AR 40-501
5–5. Medical fitness standards for retention for Airborne duty, Ranger duty, and Special Forces duty
Retention of an individual in Airborne duty, Ranger duty, and Special Forces duty will be based on—
a. His or her continued demonstrated ability to perform satisfactorily his or her duty as an Airborne officer or enlisted Soldier, Ranger, or Special Forces member.
b. The effect upon the individual's health and well-being by remaining on Airborne, Ranger, or Special Forces duty.

That is a tremendous amount of leeway to pull someone's jump status. Failure of the APFT would not be performing their duties satisfactorily as an Airborne Soldier.

I am still of the belief worrying about one's jump status should be the least of concerns when failing the APFT.

Response by SPC Jeff Hogan, M.S., M.P.S. made May 26 at 2019 11:12 AM

2019-05-26T11:12:30-04:00

Absolutely. You already run the risk of knee injury. If not in shape it's negligence on their part to alllow you to jump