Can I take an NCO Slot away from someone sitting in it?

2024-07-29T02:18:03-04:00

For context I am an E4 in the National Guard and have been MOSQ'd for over a year and completed BLC (Yeah I know it's not required for the promotion.) There is an E5 sitting in the E6 position who hasn't MOSQ'd in almost 2 years.

Is there anything I could reference for this? I was also recommended to file an IG complaint about this situation.

Response by SPC James Neidig made Jul 29 at 2024 2:49 AM

2024-07-29T02:49:48-04:00

Don’t Go To The IG They Are A Last Resort !
Use Your Chain Of Command First.
But I Can Tell You Most National Guard Units Suffer From The Good Old Boy Syndrome.
If You Have Not Established A Good Reputation As A Reliable Soldier And Get Along With Other Members Of Your Company You Will Not Win This Battle.
Yes You Can Fill A Slot Of An NCO IF Your COC Approves It.
I Was A E-4 Holding An E-6 Slot For About 10 Months In The Guard Until I Got Promoted To SGT .That Was Thanks To The Good Old System That Was Present In My Unit.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 29 at 2024 5:15 AM

2024-07-29T05:15:07-04:00

Why do you feel it's appropriate to boot a SGT out from a SSG Slot so you can go in it simple because you're DMOSQ? A little pretentious, don't you think? What you don't seem to realize is the Commander and 1SG are trying to align the unit positions based on personnel and rank availability. Another thing you may not realize is that the Commander js getting hit on Metrics for any and all Non-DMOSQ folks. Unless that SGT is an absolute shitbag, I'm not going to put a SPC in charge of him (or a whole squad) because of who is MOSQ and who isn't.

I mean, do you know the back story as to why the SGT hasn't been able to go to AIT yet?

But tell you what, before you have a sit down with your Platoon Leadership and Company Leadership over this, go ahead and call IG.

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 29 at 2024 9:14 PM

2024-07-29T21:14:22-04:00

Yes, you can (in the following scenario).
Looks like you are a 12T. Once you reach the top of the promotion list, you can promote into any vacant E5 12T position. If there are none, then you don't.
If, there is no one remaining on the E6 12T promotion list, and you are still first on the E5 12T promotion list, then you can promote to E5 in a valid E6 12T position, to include this one, since the SM is not DMOSQ.

If you are not already number 1 or 2 on the promotion list, I wouldn't waste time fretting about it. Maybe spend that time trying to mentor this E5, find out why he hasn't made it to MOS-T yet, and maybe help him get there.
Which makes your unit better, that's what NCOs do for a living, get an early start on it.

Response by Lt Col Timothy Cassidy-Curtis made Jul 30 at 2024 3:44 PM

2024-07-30T15:44:43-04:00

In some situations, personnel can be "double slotted." That means two people get put into one slot. Units do this in order to better align the personnel with the mission.

Don't worry about who is in the slot for which you are qualified. Ask about it anyway. If you are told "no way" then don't worry. You've been MOSQ'd and everybody will know it. Keep being excellent.

Response by SSG Roger Ayscue made Aug 1 at 2024 1:02 PM

2024-08-01T13:02:59-04:00

Specialist, I would ask you to step back, take a breath, and look at the way you addressed MSG Private RallyPoint Member. Not only is he a Senior Noncommissioned Officer, but he is also a leader in this forum who takes his time to reply to just about every enlisted Soldier who asks a question. I understand your frustration in looking for a path to advancement. I promise you that you will not advance referring to superiors in this manner.
It takes more than school qualifications to be a leader. The inability to express disagreement with a superior in a respectful manner is indicative of immaturity, and lack of readiness to assume a greater leadership position. You are an E4 and He is an E8. Lets say an E1 asked you a question and when you replied the E1 called you "High Speed"? You would loose your shit.
Perhaps, it was frustration that he did not give you an answer that you liked. Regardless, as an NCO you have to be able to bite your tongue and find your words carefully and respectfully. If you speak to your Chain of Command in this manner, this might be why you are not in a leadership position.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Nov 21 at 2024 2:06 PM

2024-11-21T14:06:42-05:00

I would not pursue this. You need to look beyond yourself and think about the NCO and the NG. Especially considering he has more years than you and has leadership experiences and responsibilities.