Posted on Feb 11, 2020
Can I fight a Chapter 13 after failing 2 PT tests?
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Through the entire month of August I was on medical con leave. Got referred to a civilian doctor. Was given a note saying that I’ve undergone surgery and need 30 days of Convalescent leave. I didn’t receive a profile for it and wasn’t given a specific rehab time.
3 days after my con leave ended, I got put on the gate guard detail. I was doing self rehabilitation by running to get back to where I was. October 9th, I had taken a PT test. Prior to, I told my leadership that I was going to fail it because I wasn’t anywhere close to the army standard in the run event. Got told to suck it up and move on.
After failing the Pt test, I was given my counseling statement from the commander and 1SG. The plan of action was “Remedial PT”. However, remedial PT never happened and I asked my chain of command when are we starting it and where will it take place. Never received an answer cause it wasn’t a thing. Since that was the case, I continued to do PT on my own to get where I needed to be.
7Jan2020, we took another PT test and again I had failed it. Commander initiated separation as he should because the regulation states it. Got put back on gate guard shortly after that PT test. Commander had told me that if he sees signs of progress and that I want this, I’ll be given another chance. 07Feb2020, I had taken yet another PT test and passed it.
Now I’m just waiting and continuing to go through with the separation process.
3 days after my con leave ended, I got put on the gate guard detail. I was doing self rehabilitation by running to get back to where I was. October 9th, I had taken a PT test. Prior to, I told my leadership that I was going to fail it because I wasn’t anywhere close to the army standard in the run event. Got told to suck it up and move on.
After failing the Pt test, I was given my counseling statement from the commander and 1SG. The plan of action was “Remedial PT”. However, remedial PT never happened and I asked my chain of command when are we starting it and where will it take place. Never received an answer cause it wasn’t a thing. Since that was the case, I continued to do PT on my own to get where I needed to be.
7Jan2020, we took another PT test and again I had failed it. Commander initiated separation as he should because the regulation states it. Got put back on gate guard shortly after that PT test. Commander had told me that if he sees signs of progress and that I want this, I’ll be given another chance. 07Feb2020, I had taken yet another PT test and passed it.
Now I’m just waiting and continuing to go through with the separation process.
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Seems to be a lot of Failed PT tests in Rally Point lately with surprised Soldiers that this is real.
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I noticed that as well MSG. I understand the regulations and that PT is to be done in free time. If having a problem with running, go run after work. I did what I could. It’s just something about this just doesn’t feel right.
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And By no means am I blaming my leadership, because it is my responsibility that I had failed my run. I just feel that my leadership could have worked with me. Remedial Pt being a program to help soldiers who have deficiencies in certain categories (My running for example). With that program not being implemented as well as myself coming off of con leave. It just doesn’t seem right
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SPC (Join to see) - I would listen to everything SFC Kelly Fuerhoff said, she is spot on with her guidance. This is 100% your fault. I wish you luck, but as a SPC you should have known more about this type of situation you find yourself in.
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So many things wrong with this...
You should have gotten a profile after you had surgery. I'm not sure why your PCM didn't give you one. Anything. At the very least you should have gone into sick call or your PCM and asked for one of some kind. First mistake.
Self-rehabilitation...are you a trained physical therapist or trainer? Probably not - so you probably really didn't know what you were doing. Second mistake.
You chose to take that PT test - and you had no profile so you weren't exempt from it. Third mistake.
How high did you go in your chain about "remedial" PT? Another mistake.
You then didn't go get any kind of profile after that test so you took the second - final mistake.
Lots of mistakes on your part and your leadership. Your best course of action is go talk to legal. Even if you tell them he said he'd give you another chance if it's not in writing...it's hard to prove.
I'd be at legal at this point.
You should have gotten a profile after you had surgery. I'm not sure why your PCM didn't give you one. Anything. At the very least you should have gone into sick call or your PCM and asked for one of some kind. First mistake.
Self-rehabilitation...are you a trained physical therapist or trainer? Probably not - so you probably really didn't know what you were doing. Second mistake.
You chose to take that PT test - and you had no profile so you weren't exempt from it. Third mistake.
How high did you go in your chain about "remedial" PT? Another mistake.
You then didn't go get any kind of profile after that test so you took the second - final mistake.
Lots of mistakes on your part and your leadership. Your best course of action is go talk to legal. Even if you tell them he said he'd give you another chance if it's not in writing...it's hard to prove.
I'd be at legal at this point.
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I’ve talked to TDS about this, they said they’d look into it. As far as how high did I go into my chain of command about remedial PT, I went up from my Team Leader up to my PSG. Was told once he knows, he’ll let my team leader know. The PT test after my con leave, I was told I have to take it whether I want to or not. But I understand SFC.
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SFC Kelly Fuerhoff
SPC (Join to see) - If my PSG wasn't doing anything with remedial PT, I'd have gone to the 1SG.
You should have gotten a profile after your surgery. You have to take care of your health and career. No one else will do it for you.
You should have gotten a profile after your surgery. You have to take care of your health and career. No one else will do it for you.
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SFC Kelly Fuerhoff
PFC Jeffrey Herrington - I've learned that no one is going to look out for me but me...especially when it comes to medical.
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SPC Yester, if everything you say is accurate, my first question is, where was your first-line supervisor? Unless my information is inaccurate, most companies, put the Remedial PT Program back on the Section Sergeants. He or she should've been getting you ready for your next PT test, by working with you after hours. You said something about not blaming your leadership...I would...your leadership begins with your Squad Leader or Section Sergeant. It’s unfortunate that a Chapter has been initiated...once it starts, that “snow ball” keep rolling. Let’s hope the damage will be minimal.
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