Can a unit violate HQDA EXORD 164-20 and conduct a 100% HT/WT?

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 17 Jul 2020 21:36:33 -0400

Got notification of a 100% HT/WT, can a unit do this if all current HT/WT scores remain valid until further notice?

I’m not worried, but can the unit flag individuals for this if they have a passing HT/WT?

Response by SGM Bill Frazer made Jul 17 at 2020 9:40 PM

SGM Bill Frazer — Fri, 17 Jul 2020 21:40:22 -0400

If DA out it out, no unit can supersede it.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 17 at 2020 10:49 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 17 Jul 2020 22:49:48 -0400

Oooofdah. Slippery slope. If HQDA says it's all gravy until further notice....then that is the call. I can see the argument of a unit wanting to do HT/WT for numbers/metrics.....but again, that's a slippery slope to play against HQDA.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 17 at 2020 11:48 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 17 Jul 2020 23:48:58 -0400

FRAGO 2 3.B.9 states "Soldiers and units will continue to comply with ABCP standards". How can you tell if Soldiers are within standard if you don't measure? A commander can place a flag if a Soldier is not in compliance. The commander is responsible for safety and ensuring mitigation measures are taken (per the order).

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 18 at 2020 1:12 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 18 Jul 2020 01:12:17 -0400

From my understanding, it takes an O6 approval to conduct any Ht/Wt right now.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 15 at 2020 1:13 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 15 Dec 2020 13:13:02 -0500

While the EXORD and current FRAGOs permit current height/weight measurements to remain valid the EXORD does not forbid Commanders from directing a height/weight at their discretion. Soldiers are still responsible to maintain the standards of AR 600-9 even though their old weigh-in remains valid. A new height/weight can still be administered at any time and a Soldier can still be flagged for ABCP. The EXORD simply gives Commanders the ability to extend current weights, it does not forbid new weigh-ins from happening, be they spot checks or even a 100 percent weigh-in, just so long as the whole company isn't crowded in together at once.