CPL Julie Haas 5522350 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Can a soldiers section NCO make them do remedial PT if they failed a diagnostic APFT? 2020-02-05T11:05:19-05:00 CPL Julie Haas 5522350

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Can a soldiers section NCO make them do remedial PT if they failed a diagnostic APFT?

2020-02-05T11:05:19-05:00 2020-02-05T11:05:19-05:00 MSG Private RallyPoint Member 5522361

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>This Soldier should &quot;want&quot; to do remedial PT if failing a diagnostic. As an NCO, if any of my Soldiers were even close to failing I would do remedial PT with that Soldier myself. It seems that you may be looking at this as some sort of punishment, when its not. Its just trying to help that Soldier improve themselves and their career. While PT is an individual sport, some Soldiers do not take care of this on their own and need a guiding hand.

2020-02-05T11:09:10-05:00 2020-02-05T11:09:10-05:00 MSG Private RallyPoint Member 5522363

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>It&#39;s the Commander&#39;s and 1SGs program. If their policy is to have Soldiers enrolled in Remedial for a failed Diagnostic...then said SM will be on Remedial. It&#39;s not punishment. It&#39;s to encourage and assist the SM to work on, and improve in, their failed area(s).

2020-02-05T11:12:01-05:00 2020-02-05T11:12:01-05:00 SSG Private RallyPoint Member 5522374

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2020-02-05T11:18:18-05:00 2020-02-05T11:18:18-05:00 WO1 Private RallyPoint Member 5522413

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>You mean an NCO is doing this thing called &quot;leadership&quot; and helping out their Soldiers get better at an identified deficiency... The Audacity! The Horror! <br /><br />Too many times it seems that they place blame/cry over having to do extra PT, or being called out for requiring more PT. When the SM should look at themselves and realize they let themselves fail an APFT and obviously that lack of care/motivation/drive (likely) trickles into other aspects of their life/work.

2020-02-05T11:34:43-05:00 2020-02-05T11:34:43-05:00 Maj John Bell 5522421

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Yes.

2020-02-05T11:37:35-05:00 2020-02-05T11:37:35-05:00 1LT Private RallyPoint Member 5522435

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Any soldier can be made to do extra PT, regardless of their APFT score. That order is a lawful one.

2020-02-05T11:43:26-05:00 2020-02-05T11:43:26-05:00 SGM Bill Frazer 5522471

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Jesus wept- why don&#39;t you read the the &quot;responsibilities and Duties of the NCO&quot;. You know the minor things training, welfare, well being, etc. Seriously a junior NCO is asking this? Ok - here it is- the SM failed a diagnostic APFT, which means unless they improve they will more than likely fail a record test. Two record failures and they are out. So the Section NCO is trying to get them up to standards and keep them from being chaptered out. True PT is the CO/1SG program, but as a 1st line supervisor the Section leader has to be proactive.

2020-02-05T11:48:35-05:00 2020-02-05T11:48:35-05:00 SSG Brian G. 5522496

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Yes they can and remedial PT is something that can be ordered at any time for nearly any reason. An SM does not need to fail an APFT diagnostic or otherwise. I have ordered it when SM&#39;s have fallen out of runs consecutively, have repeatedly demonstrated problems in PT, have had problems with APFT in the past, present an unprofessional appearance in uniform etc.

2020-02-05T11:53:16-05:00 2020-02-05T11:53:16-05:00 SSG Brian G. 5522544

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Soldier fails a diagnostic. Soldier should be glad of two things, one that the APFT was diagnostic only and two, that they have an NCO that cares and makes then do remedial. An NCO is there to LEAD their soldiers and take charge in lieu of orders given. This is an example of an NCO trying to help a SM meet Army and Unit standards and keep the SM in the Amry and out of hot water. Or would you prefer a flag, possible UCMJ action and discharge?

2020-02-05T12:04:43-05:00 2020-02-05T12:04:43-05:00 SFC Private RallyPoint Member 5522963

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Yes they can. Don’t want to run into this issue, pass the APFT, record or not.

2020-02-05T13:41:43-05:00 2020-02-05T13:41:43-05:00 SGT Aaron Tollman 5522973

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Yes, so long as it is reasonable.

2020-02-05T13:44:04-05:00 2020-02-05T13:44:04-05:00 SSG Freddie B Graddy 5523735

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Yes!!!

2020-02-05T17:06:08-05:00 2020-02-05T17:06:08-05:00 SPC Stewart Smith 5523978

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Yes. Sort of... basically if it&#39;s company policy yes. If it&#39;s not, then NCOs actually really can&#39;t give &quot;lawful&quot; orders.

2020-02-05T18:01:19-05:00 2020-02-05T18:01:19-05:00 SFC Private RallyPoint Member 5524678

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>You mean as opposed to waiting till they&#39;re flagged and being reactive instead of proactive?<br /><br />Remedial PT is a program not a punishment. Anyone identified as not meeting the standards is eligible for it. A Soldier doesn&#39;t need to be flagged before being identified as needing assistance. Otherwise, there would be no reason to do a diagnostic APFT and every APFT would be for record.

2020-02-05T21:28:12-05:00 2020-02-05T21:28:12-05:00 MSG Reid Zohfeld 5524816

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I have soldiers fail diagnostics PT and for record also <br />I dislike the term remedial PT<br />My solution was to take my best soldiers and have them work together never to diminish a soldier <br />If one of troops failed I blame myself for not noticing a short coming <br />If one fails my team failed <br />Working together is the best way to have a good team<br />Yes I am old school but I’m was always fair and that’s what made my team successful

2020-02-05T22:02:47-05:00 2020-02-05T22:02:47-05:00 SFC Melvin Brandenburg 5525054

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Oh, absolutely. I have been known to PT my Joes until they puked. It was definitely remedial, and usually only six or eight weeks with me did the trick. Rarely did I have multiple failures, and since I did the PT right along with them, there wasn&#39;t much that could be said. I love me some PT. Love you some too before it gets ugly.

2020-02-05T23:18:06-05:00 2020-02-05T23:18:06-05:00 SSG Private RallyPoint Member 5525755

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>In short YES. But if that soldier wants to be there then they should already be working on their own PT on their own time. Give them a 4856 explaining that they failed the APFT, plan of action is remedial PT at this time, on these days, for this long etc. Once that is put in place then your golden. But i would also want to see if there was a deeper cause for the lack of motivation to pass the APFT. as we all have a bad days. Your SM could pass tomorrow and have no issue with it.

2020-02-06T06:30:34-05:00 2020-02-06T06:30:34-05:00 CPT Private RallyPoint Member 5526054

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Absolutely. This is what NCOs should do. This is being a leader. Like previously said. The alternative is just continuing what is not working and allowing that soldier to fail the record APFT, get flagged, etc etc.

2020-02-06T07:54:16-05:00 2020-02-06T07:54:16-05:00 SSG Private RallyPoint Member 5526127

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Yes. Imagine a diag PT test is a comparable to quiz you take. You failed so now the teacher gives you extra study material so you hopefully pass the test.

2020-02-06T08:13:25-05:00 2020-02-06T08:13:25-05:00 1SG Private RallyPoint Member 5531331

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>While I know what a &quot;diagnostic&quot; APFT is, it is only a term used by leaders to get around the so called &quot;readiness&quot; by not having to report any failures they may have in their program IOT to keep their stats on the green side. With that said, yes they can make u do extra PT to ensure you can pass any APFT as they are technically all for record.

2020-02-07T11:20:45-05:00 2020-02-07T11:20:45-05:00 SSG Bradley Williams 5536087

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>In my time he could

2020-02-08T15:47:33-05:00 2020-02-08T15:47:33-05:00 CPL Private RallyPoint Member 5683031

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>As a prior service sectional leader(NCO) and destroyer of soldiers who thought they &quot;Know everything&quot; Yes! It was done to me and it will be done to everyone! If you fail an APFT you will get the training you need. Why is this a question?

2020-03-20T20:53:05-04:00 2020-03-20T20:53:05-04:00 COL Private RallyPoint Member 5809843

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>As long as it is part of the training schedule, the Section NCO can enforce it. For sure, in my past life the Platoon Sergeants, First Sergeants, Training NCOs and the Company-level officers made sure remedial PT was part of the training schedule for the APFT failures. And guess what, no-shows were considered AWOL and or subject to counseling. For additional motivation, the chain of command was there to encourage and participate.

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