Can a Soldier on a temporary profile attend resident military schools that do not require them to undergo an APFT?

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 10 Nov 2016 16:22:39 -0500

My NCO and Det. Sergeant have just counseled me to advise that I will not be attending any schools until a long-standing temporary profile is lifted, even if the school were to in no way violate the profile. This seems contrary to guidance provided in AR 350-1, however, I may just be "regulatorily" ignorant. Is there something I am missing? Does a temp. profile really create a career quagmire?

Response by PO1 William "Chip" Nagel made Nov 10 at 2016 4:27 PM

PO1 William "Chip" Nagel — Thu, 10 Nov 2016 16:27:37 -0500

Well that Kind of Blows! Definitely a Question though. If you are Physically Incapable why should the Military Retain You? Might have to do a Carl Brashear on them if the Army has such a System. Prove them Wrong, Take them To Task. Challenge Them.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 10 at 2016 4:35 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 10 Nov 2016 16:35:07 -0500

Based on how I read the regulation, you may have (albeit slight) a chance at challenging the decision. But....first and foremost, contact that school house and see what their stance is on temp profiles and attendance. Get the answer straight from the horses mouth. But also be aware that according my OPS NCO at my BN, he states that NO Soldier with a temp are authorized resident schools (and he does this all day every day).

Response by LTJG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 10 at 2016 4:36 PM

LTJG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 10 Nov 2016 16:36:20 -0500

Most schools will not allow you to attend if you have Temporary profile, even if there is no apft required. It's all based on the school and your unit allowing you to go

Response by CPT Mark Gonzalez made Nov 10 at 2016 4:55 PM

CPT Mark Gonzalez — Thu, 10 Nov 2016 16:55:55 -0500

The detachment sergeant most likely wouldn't act without the CO supporting it. Overcome your profile or get a permanent and continue serving if not separated. Otherwise, financially it doesn't make sense. Long-standing is relative, can you take a full record APFT?

Response by SPC Phil Norton made Nov 10 at 2016 7:02 PM

SPC Phil Norton — Thu, 10 Nov 2016 19:02:58 -0500

Your CO might just not like the fact you're on profile. Research it and challenge if you can, but be ready to have a miserable time under his or her Comand. Is the profile or school worth it?

Response by SSG Mark Franzen made Nov 11 at 2016 12:51 AM

SSG Mark Franzen — Fri, 11 Nov 2016 00:51:25 -0500

YOU CAN NOT ATTEND ANY MILTARY SCHOOLS WITH A PROFILE AND ALSO IT CAN HURT YOU FOR PROMOTION. SSG MARK FRANZEN USA VET

Response by SGM Erik Marquez made Nov 11 at 2016 8:22 AM

SGM Erik Marquez — Fri, 11 Nov 2016 08:22:17 -0500

350-1 only tells some of the story... Look up the course your interested in , in ATTRS . Look at the prereqs there, look at the requirements there. If you are not excluded by what you see in txt, send an email to the POC listed and ask the direct question, leave no doubt at what your asking. Fewer words are better and ask only the one question. Be brief, concise, clear and complete. Wait semi patiently for a response, if you dont get one in 7-10 buisness days, send the same email again....if you dont get a response inside a week, call, try to "find" the poc already emailed, and thanking them for thier time and apologizing for having what must be the wrong email address, as you had sent the question twice.. You want that person or another associate to help, so now is not the time to chastise for not responding to your email.

All that said.... a lot of years sending folks to school, several years running the 1CD schools program ..... SM with temp profiles did not go to resident schools... Not saying it's not possible, just was never the case in a lot of years and thousands sent.