Californians feel undocumented people enhance their state and they should be allowed to stay. Do you agree or disagree and why?

2015-10-01T01:18:11-04:00

http://www.oann.com/californians-say-undocumented-immigrants-should-get-to-stay-poll/

Californians say undocumented immigrants should get to stay: poll

By Sharon Bernstein SACRAMENTO, Calif.

Response by SN Greg Wright made Oct 1 at 2015 1:20 AM

2015-10-01T01:20:49-04:00

Sgt Kelli Mays I understand every human on the planet wants to better their position. This cannot be argued with any believability.

So if you're illegal, and want to stay. Do the paperwork. Start paying taxes. Participate in the republic. In this case, you have a foot to stand on. If you're working under the table...you do NOT.

Response by Capt Seid Waddell made Oct 1 at 2015 1:26 AM

2015-10-01T01:26:33-04:00

Breaking the law seldom has good results; it teaches one to be a scofflaw at the very least.
If we wish to take these people in we should make it possible for them to come here legally.

Response by TSgt Kenneth Ellis made Oct 1 at 2015 1:26 AM

2015-10-01T01:26:49-04:00

You are confusing San Francisco with Orange County. They have sanctuary cities here. So illegal aliens are not hassled. There is no way to deport 11 million people. But it is unfair to the people who immigrated legally. We just want our border secured. Mexico laws are very draconian. The first time if you are lucky you are deported. Bathe second time you go to jail.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 1 at 2015 1:32 AM

2015-10-01T01:32:06-04:00

I say no and perhaps they should consult with Kathryn Steinle's family, Marylin Pharis' family, Margaret Kostelnik's family, Mirta Rivera's family....

Response by Sgt Tom Cunnally made Oct 1 at 2015 1:33 AM

2015-10-01T01:33:41-04:00

Hell NO & what Californians think that??

They have got to be crazy..Maybe Californians who live in Beverly Hills or Hollyweird think that way but not those of us who had to deal with undocumented workers on a daily basis..

Undocumented were responsible for a lot of petty crimes when I lived in Mountain View CA from 1986 - 2013...They drove old clunkers without any drivers licenses or insurance & when they had an accident they would just run away...They broke into cars, houses, and businesses so they could have money for food.. They were also responsible for strong armed robberies in my neighborhood which was really out of control...and I blame that Sanctuary City BS for much of this crime..

I not only disagree but this comment about them enhancing CA & should be allowed to stay is something some bleeding heart liberals in San Francisco would say like Nancy Pelosi or Willy "Da Mayor" Brown....I think it is pure and unadulterated BS...

Response by SSgt Alex Robinson made Oct 1 at 2015 7:52 AM

2015-10-01T07:52:21-04:00

I knew most Californians were nuts. Glad I didn't move there when I had the chance.

Response by SSgt Terry P. made Oct 1 at 2015 7:56 AM

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Sgt Kelli Mays Like most "polls"i always doubt the accuracy,anyone can get the result they want by polling the right area.

Response by SGT David T. made Oct 1 at 2015 8:48 AM

2015-10-01T08:48:10-04:00

I disagree based on the fact that we are a nation of laws. If someone violates the law regardless of the reason, they are a criminal. Simple as that. If we turn a blind eye to one crime we need to turn a blind eye to all laws and descend into anarchy. I am not judging the quality of the illegal immigrants' character nor am I saying they are all violent criminals. The fact of the matter is if they want to come here they need to do it the right way. If they go through that process, I am all for welcoming them in.

Response by SrA Edward Vong made Oct 1 at 2015 8:56 AM

2015-10-01T08:56:19-04:00

Undocumented workers can enhance the state if they become legalized, either through immigration or green card, therefor creating tax payers. Then they will be beneficial to the US. That is really the only issue I have with undocumented workers. Pay taxes and you're solid.

Response by SSG Warren Swan made Oct 1 at 2015 9:17 AM

2015-10-01T09:17:39-04:00

I'm no fan of these "polls". Yeah they asked some people across party lines as if that would justify the article. But who they DIDN'T ask are the businesses large and small who benefit from the use of the cheap and often under the table paid labor these immigrants bring to them. They didn't ask because I bet money doesn't really care what party line you're affiliated with, it moves on it's own. IF it were possible to even get all 11 million illegals and deport them to their home country, the US would get slammed with the cost of rounding them up, housing them until they are deported, then we get tore apart from fuel costs. Now some people are happy until the costs of basic items begin to rise because now we're paying minimum wages to get someone to come do a half assed job of picking oranges, grapes, eggs, and milk. Big business and agriculture will raise hell that their profits are down, and to compensate they'll move that cost onto us. Then we'll start complaining. Congress will listen and have a million different investigations pointing fingers and take 10 years to come up with a solution that should've taken 3 months. Both parties have had 20 years and still can't get it together.
So to me, "rounding" them up and doing a full deportation isn't going to work. It doesn't seem feasible. But a method of getting them together in their local areas and telling them there IS a way you can stay personally, work legally, and through a verified and tested system maybe become a citizen within a certain number of years would maybe be a solution. Now they have a goal, we can verify their progress, and should they fail, ohh well sucks to be you, but thanks for playing. Criminals should not pass go. Get convicted of a felony? See Ya. Are convicted...case by case (have they reformed, did they do their time with no issues etc). Gang members...See ya. I cannot remember what candidate said it, but we should build a fence or some kind of barrier with Canada. If we secure the southern border, where do you think they'll try next? If we make immigration from Asia harder, where are they going to go before coming here? We need to secure both the top and bottom borders, and make it harder to have vacation babies that end up sucking the system as much as a baby born to an illegal possibly could. We need visa reform across the board. So many wants and needs to the common man, but we don't have enough money to get an audience with those who could make a difference and even then we'd get a pat on the back and some kinds of political "f*ck you) goodbye as they usher in Dole foods who makes massive donations to their coffers (I used Dole as an example, but they're not the only ones)

Response by LTC Stephen F. made Oct 1 at 2015 9:22 AM

2015-10-01T09:22:19-04:00

Sgt Kelli Mays many Californian's who respond to these types of polls seem to be in la-la land. I do not mean Los Angeles :-)
The state has continual budget problems, there are water problems primarily because on arcane arrangement of who has water priority across the state, and businesses and citizens having been leaving the state resulting in a net loss of Congressional seats.
Undocumented workers drain the states resources for emergency and other health aid and in some cases police and educational resources.
All effort should be made to encourage undocumented people to take the steps to become citizens of this nation or return to whence they came.

Response by MCPO Roger Collins made Oct 1 at 2015 10:55 AM

2015-10-01T10:55:35-04:00

I agree with California. They should advertise to the illegal community around the United States to come there, The welcome mat is out. In fact, they should show pictures of all the dry areas and dried up lakes to remind them of home. Heck, if I could be assured it would be a one way ticket, I may even donate the cost of a bus ticket to CA. Hope California informs the illegals of all the state benefits they can get there. (with a little help, perhaps some federal aid)

Response by COL Mikel J. Burroughs made Oct 1 at 2015 6:28 PM

2015-10-01T18:28:42-04:00

Sgt Kelli Mays Totally disagree, but I'm not a native Californian, so who am I to comment. Everyone should be documented, paying taxes like everyone else in this country! Just my opinion!

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 2 at 2015 12:26 AM

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Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 2 at 2015 9:16 AM

2015-10-02T09:16:07-04:00

long ago .... I mean so long ago, American no longer remembered. States are the one that decide residency. Federal is the only voice to declare those "residents" are enemies or not. It was part of the state's right. Now? ... I don't want to argue on this ... we are way off tracks on the constitution ...

Response by SGT Jerrold Pesz made Oct 2 at 2015 5:47 PM

2015-10-02T17:47:34-04:00

California is The Land of Fruits and Nuts and over 50% of the population is already Mexican. However they should be the ones supporting them, not the rest of the country.

Response by GySgt Moses Lozano made Oct 2 at 2015 8:51 PM

2015-10-02T20:51:22-04:00

I agree that they do to a certain degree but at some point we have to shut the gate and fix what's inside instead of continiously allowing an influx of immigrants.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 3 at 2015 9:18 AM

2015-10-03T09:18:59-04:00

I wonder if these polls truly reflect the state's opinions or are they cherry-picked to reflect an agenda? I wonder if the people on skid row agree with this?

Response by CSM Charles Hayden made Oct 3 at 2015 9:36 PM

2015-10-03T21:36:20-04:00

Sgt Kelli Mays Living in Orange County, CA, I am
amazed at the # of immigrants at our premier shopping centers; Fashion Island and South Coast Plaza are longer places to watch the high stepping OC blondes strut their stuff. Actually, the only high steppers I have seen this year were at Del Mar Race Track's opening day. Half the young girls in So CA were there with: high heels, low cut blouses, short skirts and gigantic sun hats!

In the meanwhile our freeways choke easily and we have a water drought. CA's greenies do not want to have dams for water storage nor desalinization plants for a new water source.

We have too many people and too many cars! I schedule my local travel around an estimate of cars on the roads at a given time.

Response by SCPO Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 3 at 2015 11:20 PM

2015-10-03T23:20:37-04:00

Californians have purple, spiked hairn nose rings, and pierced nipples and schmeckels, too. They're all nuts out there.

Response by PV2 Scott Goodpasture made Oct 4 at 2015 3:55 PM

2015-10-04T15:55:51-04:00

What California people? Other than left wing whack jobs and other illegals. I live in SoCal and can assure you that nobody "American" feels that way

Response by Cpl Chris Rice made Nov 12 at 2015 8:21 PM

2015-11-12T20:21:21-05:00

This isn’t actually that surprising, one because California is typically rather liberal in its politics, and because in the United States nationally 65% of all people actually support a pathway to citizenship for illegal immigrants. This 65% of all people actually includes 50% of all self-identified Republicans. In the end nobody’s going to do anything about it, Republicans will never allow Democrats to implement a pathway to citizenship, and the optics will never allow hardline Republicans to deport everybody.

Response by LCpl Stephen Arnold made Mar 27 at 2017 1:01 PM

2017-03-27T13:01:14-04:00

If they came here illiegally, they should be fined and given a longer period to citizenship. If they have been committing crimes (significant crimes such as theft/burglary, assault/batterys, rape/murder/arson, etc; not stupid crap like drugs UNLESS selling to minors), they should be deported and never allowed back.

Response by Cpl Joshua Caldwell made Apr 13 at 2017 8:27 AM

2017-04-13T08:27:52-04:00

A better title for this article would be "Californians are dumb" or "feelings over facts in CA"

Response by SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth made Nov 12 at 2017 9:52 AM

2017-11-12T09:52:56-05:00

Totally disagree.

Response by Maj John Bell made Nov 12 at 2017 12:16 PM

2017-11-12T12:16:53-05:00

Every year, Every month, Every week, Every day people pack up what they can carry and head north to the US. Along the way they fall victim to the elements and predators (human and animal). They die in jungles, crossing rivers, crossing deserts and in unventilated shipping containers and cargo vans. They bury their children, their parents, their siblings, and their friends on the way. They are turned into sex slaves, wage slaves, drug mules, and gang members; South and North of the border. Is it not time to stop baiting the trap? Those well-meaning, but misguided do-gooders who would offer amnesty or citizenship or spare illegal immigrants and unlawful residents deportation because of "anchor" babies are complicit in every death, every act of rape and molestation, every act of prostitution, every drug deal and drug fatality, every violation of immigration law, every act of gang violence.

Response by CW3 Kevin Storm made Nov 12 at 2017 3:25 PM

2017-11-12T15:25:07-05:00

For the record, no we don't all feel that way. Of course I am not a native nor was indoctrinated with liberalism 101 in my school system either.

Response by Sgt Wayne Wood made Nov 12 at 2017 4:12 PM

2017-11-12T16:12:14-05:00

Define “enhance”... just like “inconceivable”, i don’t think it means what they think it means...

Response by SFC Christopher Taggart made Nov 12 at 2017 5:10 PM

2017-11-12T17:10:30-05:00

Undocumented people enhances their state, because they take up the jobs that nobody wants and are paid below minimum wage! Do you think they're going to complain?

Response by SSgt GG-15 RET Jim Lint made Apr 19 at 2018 12:34 PM

2018-04-19T12:34:00-04:00

IF I feel a a way about a law and I think it should be enforced....some would say that is crazy, we are a nation of laws. Follow the law. If I feel that we should have prostitution nation wide.... People would say that is crazy. It is not against the national/Fed law. It is legal in Nevada. That is not violating national law. So, why do people think they can dream or demand they want illegal immigration. FYI, my wife filled out the paperwork, paid a lot of money, and is an immigrant. IF CA thinks illegals should be allowed to stay.....can I get a refund for her paying to do it correctly?

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 19 at 2018 12:46 PM

2018-04-19T12:46:55-04:00

As a human being and believer in Christ...all mankind are my "brothers". That said, being in a functional "family" should have expectations.

It's not easy, and I personally believe the immigration system could use some "updating", but it's the only way to sort out those who genuinely want a better life forged from freedom, opportunity and plenty...and those who have other, less noble motivations.

Response by MCPO Roger Collins made Apr 19 at 2018 2:42 PM

2018-04-19T14:42:56-04:00

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