SFC Private RallyPoint Member 6984335 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Unit is not allowing TCA mission I supported to award me SSI. <br />AR 670-1 states on SSI/ (d) When echelons below company level (such as teams or squads) deploy, members of these units will wear the SSI of the lowest echelon deployed Army unit (company or higher) in the deployed chain of command (based on written orders) as the SSI–MOHC. When there is no intermediate unit (company or higher) in the deployed chain of command, these deployed Soldiers will wear the SSI of the senior command in the theater as its SSI–MOHC. (e) Individual Soldiers who are attached (to include OPCON, cross-leveled, assigned, or augmenting deployed units) will wear the same SSI–MOHC worn by members of the deployed Army unit (company or higher) to which attached by written orders. <br />Exceptions/My mission--<br />(16) Operation Inherent Resolve: between 15 June 2014 and a date to be determined, for Soldiers deployed to Iraq, Jordan, or Syria in support of OIR, who received combat zone tax exclusion and hostile fire/IDP as identified by USCENTCOM Command Center–Joint Staff for Personnel and Administration. Soldiers who were deployed in the area of operations on training exercises or in support of operations other than OIR are not authorized the SSI–MOHC, unless those exercises or operations became combat or support missions to OIR.<br />I was assigned to a Task Force under SOCCENT in support of OIR. My written orders though, don&#39;t specify anything except that I was assigned to Jordan. No dates and no specification on the actual mission I supported. Upon leaving, I was given an MFR stating I was awarded SSI for SOCOM under OIR. The parent unit came back and said it&#39;s all invalid. The same unit though, awarded all the soldiers their unit patch that don&#39;t have &#39;written orders&#39; specifying neither Jordan, Syria or Iraq. They simply sent them on &#39;turn and burns&#39; to get a patch but all those soldiers have Kuwait on their written orders (sensing double standard here). <br /><br /><br />Can I get the &#39;Jordan&#39; Order amended to specify the operation I was in support of? <br />Wouldn&#39;t then my award given to me by SOCCENT and OIR be considered invalid too?<br />Wouldn&#39;t All the soldiers without Jordan, Iraq, Syria etc., written on their orders be subject to stolen valor since their orders say &#39;Kuwait&#39; ? 2021-05-18T14:00:01-04:00 SFC Private RallyPoint Member 6984335

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Unit is not allowing TCA mission I supported to award me SSI. <br />AR 670-1 states on SSI/ (d) When echelons below company level (such as teams or squads) deploy, members of these units will wear the SSI of the lowest echelon deployed Army unit (company or higher) in the deployed chain of command (based on written orders) as the SSI–MOHC. When there is no intermediate unit (company or higher) in the deployed chain of command, these deployed Soldiers will wear the SSI of the senior command in the theater as its SSI–MOHC. (e) Individual Soldiers who are attached (to include OPCON, cross-leveled, assigned, or augmenting deployed units) will wear the same SSI–MOHC worn by members of the deployed Army unit (company or higher) to which attached by written orders. <br />Exceptions/My mission--<br />(16) Operation Inherent Resolve: between 15 June 2014 and a date to be determined, for Soldiers deployed to Iraq, Jordan, or Syria in support of OIR, who received combat zone tax exclusion and hostile fire/IDP as identified by USCENTCOM Command Center–Joint Staff for Personnel and Administration. Soldiers who were deployed in the area of operations on training exercises or in support of operations other than OIR are not authorized the SSI–MOHC, unless those exercises or operations became combat or support missions to OIR.<br />I was assigned to a Task Force under SOCCENT in support of OIR. My written orders though, don&#39;t specify anything except that I was assigned to Jordan. No dates and no specification on the actual mission I supported. Upon leaving, I was given an MFR stating I was awarded SSI for SOCOM under OIR. The parent unit came back and said it&#39;s all invalid. The same unit though, awarded all the soldiers their unit patch that don&#39;t have &#39;written orders&#39; specifying neither Jordan, Syria or Iraq. They simply sent them on &#39;turn and burns&#39; to get a patch but all those soldiers have Kuwait on their written orders (sensing double standard here). <br /><br /><br />Can I get the &#39;Jordan&#39; Order amended to specify the operation I was in support of? <br />Wouldn&#39;t then my award given to me by SOCCENT and OIR be considered invalid too?<br />Wouldn&#39;t All the soldiers without Jordan, Iraq, Syria etc., written on their orders be subject to stolen valor since their orders say &#39;Kuwait&#39; ?

2021-05-18T14:00:01-04:00 2021-05-18T14:00:01-04:00 SSG Edward Tilton 6984380

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>There should be a list of units, dates, patches. <br />When I got to Vietnam my unit was wearing the red MACV patch, then US ARMY VIETNAM, then II Field Force II. We Had firing Battery’s in 1st Inf, 25th Infantry Divisions and 173rd Airborne Brigade. That was the first six months. We just gave up, no one sewed them on. We wore them in a plastic sheath hung from a shirtpocket

2021-05-18T14:21:00-04:00 2021-05-18T14:21:00-04:00 CW2 Private RallyPoint Member 6984418

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I have an MFR from CJSOTF-A stating award of their combat patch, as well as ACM, and the dates of service. I was under a 1610, not even actual orders, and it works just fine. An MFR is an MFR.<br /><br />If this is the 95th giving you issues I find it hard to believe they&#39;d be this messed up, but could see confusion between JCETs and OIR support.<br /><br />On the other note, there&#39;s no registry for combat patches, it&#39;s basically an honor system

2021-05-18T14:38:18-04:00 2021-05-18T14:38:18-04:00 MSG Private RallyPoint Member 6984425

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>You may have to have your home base command talk to that particular command and ask what the skinny is. Because, to me, unless they send you another MFR rescinding the original MFR, I&#39;d say you&#39;re still good.

2021-05-18T14:41:05-04:00 2021-05-18T14:41:05-04:00 LTC Private RallyPoint Member 6984427

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I don&#39;t have anything written for any of my patches. Save the memo you have and have your next units S1 submit it to iPERMS.

2021-05-18T14:42:34-04:00 2021-05-18T14:42:34-04:00 SFC Michael Hasbun 6984438

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>&quot;Stolen valor&quot; requires you to profit financially off of the claiming or wearing of an award. This doesn&#39;t sound remotely qualifying...

2021-05-18T14:50:03-04:00 2021-05-18T14:50:03-04:00 SSG Private RallyPoint Member 6984535

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>(e) Individual Soldiers who are attached (to include OPCON, cross-leveled, assigned, or augmenting deployed units) will wear the same SSI – MOHC worn by members of the deployed Army unit (company or higher) to which attached by written orders. A Soldier who is further attached (to one or more units) during one deployment will only wear the SSI- MOHC for the first Army unit (company or higher) to which attached by written orders. Soldiers who deploy with their unit (company level or higher) will wear the SSI – MOHC as outlined in paragraph 21–18b(3)(a), regardless of how many times they are further attached to other units as individuals or teams. Members of trial defense will wear the SSI of their respective commands as their SSI – MOHC.<br /><br />I read this as, if you deployed with lets say 1AD and got assigned to SOCCENT you would still be wearing the 1AD patch.

2021-05-18T15:42:23-04:00 2021-05-18T15:42:23-04:00 SFC Private RallyPoint Member 6984557

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Your SSI memo is all the authorization you need. It&#39;s signed by the approving commander and authorized in AR 670-1. Unless your unit command out ranks the General who signed AR 670-1 they don&#39;t have the authority to decide what is or is not authorized.<br /><br />If &quot;they&quot;, whomever they are, threaten you with stolen Valor just laugh in their face and tell them you will see them at the Court martial

2021-05-18T15:50:15-04:00 2021-05-18T15:50:15-04:00 SPC Private RallyPoint Member 6984623

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Not all units issue an SSI memo but it&#39;s why many NCO&#39;s highly encourage it be done to prevent issues like these. If you&#39;re having an issue with your SSI memo reach out to the unit you obtained your combat patch from and request clarification be sent to your unit.<br /><br />One of my LT&#39;s had an issue with his patch, we reached out and had a memo drafted. Too easy.<br /><br />If you are legitimately being threatened with action make sure to document those incidents. Unfortunately there are leaders who are not up to date on their regs or engage in chatter similar to PNN before they speak their piece.

2021-05-18T16:20:59-04:00 2021-05-18T16:20:59-04:00 SPC Erich Guenther 6985553

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I always thought that &quot;stolen valor&quot; is written for wearing valor based medals that were not earned (examples would be silver star, purple heart) and somehow benefiting from doing so financially or in treatment. I never thought of the SSI as valor based, myself. Though there is a huge pool of Veterans that use the term &quot;stolen valor&quot; to apply to everything including wear of ACU&#39;s. So in my view.....misuse of the term.

2021-05-18T22:19:05-04:00 2021-05-18T22:19:05-04:00 SFC William Farrell 6985744

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Things are a lot different from when I retired in 1996 and a lot different from when I served in Vietnam. I served with three different combat units. When I left my first unit, i wore that patch as a combat patch, when I left the second unit i wore that one as my combat patch and the pretty much wore the last unit as my combat patch but it was always my understanding you could wear whichever one you wanted. <a class="dark-link bold-link" role="profile-hover" data-qtip-container="body" data-id="148812" data-source-page-controller="question_response_contents" href="/profiles/148812-79s-career-counselor-usaraf-hq-usaraf-setaf">SFC Private RallyPoint Member</a> is always spot on with his responses.

2021-05-19T00:13:49-04:00 2021-05-19T00:13:49-04:00 CPO Clifford Henry 6987086

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Two things. <br />1. You must somehow profit from the wear in some fashion. For example a discount offered to uniformed service and a civilian wears a uniform to get it. <br />2. Yes you earned it and should be authorized to wear without issue. That being said is it worth the fight? If you feel strongly it is, fight hard. If you’re not 100%, pick and choose your battles carefully, especially when it involves your career. <br />Good luck!

2021-05-19T14:13:01-04:00 2021-05-19T14:13:01-04:00 LTC Private RallyPoint Member 6993221

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Honestly, sounds like bullying.

2021-05-21T19:36:44-04:00 2021-05-21T19:36:44-04:00 2021-05-18T14:00:01-04:00