Barbie Beheaded! - How do we stop the indoctrination?

LTC John Shaw — Mon, 20 Jul 2015 10:08:47 -0400

Sunni groups supporting the Islamic State have training camps in Turkey. Why are the Turks & NATO allowing this to happen!?! Why isn't the Obama Administration leadership more aggressive against Islamist Extremist? What can we do to stop Sunni or Shiite (Iranian) Indoctrination?

As a pejorative term, indoctrination implies forcibly or coercively causing people to act and think on the basis of a certain ideology.

http://www.militarytimes.com/story/military/2015/07/19/islamic-state-training-camp-children-told-behead-the-doll/30381591/

In an IS training camp, children told: Behead the doll

The children were each given a doll and a sword. Then they were lined up, more than 120 of them, and given their next lesson by their Islamic State group instructors: Behead the doll.

Response by SPC Jan Allbright, M.Sc., R.S. made Jul 20 at 2015 10:14 AM

SPC Jan Allbright, M.Sc., R.S. — Mon, 20 Jul 2015 10:14:30 -0400

These people are living through a Sunni "Grand Inquisition".
I am completely split between being outraged and feeling sorry for them.
I guess this is the inevitable outcome of having a state religion.

Response by CMSgt Mark Schubert made Jul 20 at 2015 10:48 AM

CMSgt Mark Schubert — Mon, 20 Jul 2015 10:48:15 -0400

It's a long article - I scanned it. To me, it's very sad to see adults manipulating children for their own purpose - that's the really sad part for me.

Response by LTC Stephen F. made Jul 20 at 2015 11:00 AM

LTC Stephen F. — Mon, 20 Jul 2015 11:00:24 -0400

At first I expected this to a discussion in the Humor topic group LTC John Shaw :-)
I remember the Adams Family in the 1960's where the young daughter Wednesday beheaded dolls to the joy of her parents Gomez and Morticia :-)
That being said Radicalized Muslims have used children to behead captured soldiers in Syria. If the beheading of dolls is a first step in the indoctrination of children to move on to beheading of small and animals and eventually "captured" prisoners that is despicable.
Infinitely worse than the application in "Despicable Me" :-)
Brainwashing of children was perfected by the Nazi's and has been used by totalitarian governments and PLO, HAMAS, Al Shabab and non-state actors the Islamic State. It is difficult to reverse the brainwashing. I expect many of these "children" will die in suicide bombings while others will die in Syria or some other targeted nation. Hopefully many can be saved and be cleansed from the brainwashing.

Response by MSG Floyd Williams made Jul 20 at 2015 11:05 AM

MSG Floyd Williams — Mon, 20 Jul 2015 11:05:33 -0400

We're at fault for what we create and put on television and movies, bad images can brainwash anyone to become a nightmare to society.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 20 at 2015 1:14 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 20 Jul 2015 13:14:13 -0400

ISIS = Sunni Al Qaeda = Shi'ite The conflict between them doesn't have anything to do with religion or how it is interpreted. It has to do with a power struggle between the two groups over who should be the ruling authority. The descendants of the prophet Mohammed or the followers of Abu Bakr (trusted advisor to Mohammed). How can you end indoctrination? Difficult question to answer. Generations of indoctrination make it a part of their culture. My answer will not be popular but I think the only way to get this type of change is through total oppression for multiple generations. An oppression that would need to last until the currently indoctrinated generations are no more.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 20 at 2015 2:28 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 20 Jul 2015 14:28:04 -0400

LTC John Shaw, that's been going on for years. Those kids are indoctrinated early in life. That's why they don't give a second thought in beheading or chopping up. Another human. But, I looked this up, and this is what our POTUS thinks.

Response by SGT Jeremiah B. made Jul 20 at 2015 2:30 PM

SGT Jeremiah B. — Mon, 20 Jul 2015 14:30:37 -0400

Not sure how we do anything about what happens on Turkish soil, but it's a fair question to ask if Turkey knows about this and if so, why aren't they doing anything about it?

Response by SFC Mark Merino made Jul 20 at 2015 2:49 PM

SFC Mark Merino — Mon, 20 Jul 2015 14:49:16 -0400

Time to deploy a BCT of Ken dolls.

Response by CW3 Kevin Storm made Jul 20 at 2015 7:20 PM

CW3 Kevin Storm — Mon, 20 Jul 2015 19:20:16 -0400

This is the Same NATO that left Ukraine to hang out to dry, same guys who did jack nothing after the plane was shot down, same people who could not do not do jack without the US leading them while the Serbian were having genocide parties. Do we really expect much out of NATO? For which is a member, btw is also led by a Muslim who is not that friendly to the West. Prime Minister Erdowan is not the greatest ally of our, or for that matter NATO, only when it suits his needs.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 21 at 2015 7:25 AM

CW3 Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 21 Jul 2015 07:25:03 -0400

LTC John Shaw I think the only way to stop such the horrid practice of one Islamic State from establishing their own version of Islam is from within. Ultimately, I think we can fight and fight to stomp out this sort of oppression and distortion of reality, but at the end of the day our efforts just provide motivation or feeds into their cause. It is a vicious self-energizing circular process that continues to this day. The war of the “hearts and minds” is a key component of this fight currently and will be for years to come. We have to change perceptions and start winning the war of information management perhaps that will drive our allies or political acquaintances to destroy this behavior for good. We can defeat the “bad guys,” but as we have seen more just rise up and take their place.

Response by Cpl Jeff N. made Jul 21 at 2015 8:04 AM

Cpl Jeff N. — Tue, 21 Jul 2015 08:04:46 -0400

I've said this before about the radicalization of muslims and the conflicts we find ourselves in with them. This is multi-generational because you have to clean this up over generations. We have not even started that process nor do we have the will/stomach to do it. That would require us invading, occupying and addressing the radical imam's and others teaching the next generation the radical ideas we find so abhorrent.

We had to do something similar post world war II with both Nazi Germany and Japan as both cultures had been radicalized, just in different ways. We had the "de-nazification of Germany to contend with for many years. Japan we managed differently. We allowed them to keep their Emperor, their flag, many customs etc but dismantled their military, gave them a new government and helped rebuild (as we did in Germany).

The key to both of these was we defeated the enemy. The enemy was a nation state though, much different than some of what we face today although ISIS is trying to establish a nation state.

Indoctrination must be nipped where it begins, that, I am afraid, is at the level of the local mosque and the local imams. Without massive help from allies in the region (some of which are muslim nations) and their willingness to address radicalization in their own country (Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Jordan etc.) there will be little hope of changing it.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 21 at 2015 11:28 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 21 Jul 2015 11:28:32 -0400

What I really think and believe is that Obama does NOT want to start a war on his watch. He is not a leader, he is a follower. I still honestly believe that he is in fact Muslim and that he is practicing Taqiya which is "a form of religious lie, [1] or a legal dispensation whereby a believing individual can deny his faith or commit otherwise illegal or blasphemous acts, especially while they are in fear or at risk of significant persecution. [2] A similar concept in Sunni Islam is known as idtirar (إضطرار) "coercion". A related concept is known as kitman "concealment; dissimulation by omission". Also related is the concept of ḥiyal, legalistic deception practiced not necessarily in a religious context but to gain POLITICAL or legalistic advantage."
IF he were, doesn't it make sense??? I mean, it really does to me and is the only logical explanation as to why the leader of a "great power" would not do anything he possibly could to destroy these animals. Again, modern day Muslim's may not agree with the way that they are running their caliphate but they DO buy into their Bullshit lies about what America really is. I really do not think the President "likes" America. Y'all can hate me, cuss me, do whatever you want, but he has done more harm to us than good. LTC John Shaw

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 22 at 2015 7:44 AM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 22 Jul 2015 07:44:23 -0400

Good heavens. this is unacceptable.

Response by LTC Bink Romanick made Jul 26 at 2015 11:39 PM

LTC Bink Romanick — Sun, 26 Jul 2015 23:39:01 -0400

What a horrific existence for these children. I have no words except to say that I think that we should bomb, drone and shoot every SOB that moves. There should never be an old former member of IS.