CW4 Private RallyPoint Member 906363 <div class="images-v2-count-1"><div class="content-picture image-v2-number-1" id="image-56633"> <div class="social_icons social-buttons-on-image"> <a href='https://www.facebook.com/sharer/sharer.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rallypoint.com%2Fanswers%2Farmy-kicking-out-decorated-green-beret-who-stood-up-for-afghan-rape-victim-what-is-your-opinion-on-this-story%3Futm_source%3DFacebook%26utm_medium%3Dorganic%26utm_campaign%3DShare%20to%20facebook' target="_blank" class='social-share-button facebook-share-button'><i class="fa fa-facebook-f"></i></a> <a href="https://twitter.com/intent/tweet?text=Army+kicking+out+decorated+Green+Beret+who+stood+up+for+Afghan+rape+victim.+What+is+your+opinion+on+this+story%3F&amp;url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rallypoint.com%2Fanswers%2Farmy-kicking-out-decorated-green-beret-who-stood-up-for-afghan-rape-victim-what-is-your-opinion-on-this-story&amp;via=RallyPoint" target="_blank" class="social-share-button twitter-custom-share-button"><i class="fa fa-twitter"></i></a> <a href="mailto:?subject=Check this out on RallyPoint!&body=Hi, I thought you would find this interesting:%0D%0AArmy kicking out decorated Green Beret who stood up for Afghan rape victim. What is your opinion on this story?%0D%0A %0D%0AHere is the link: https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/army-kicking-out-decorated-green-beret-who-stood-up-for-afghan-rape-victim-what-is-your-opinion-on-this-story" target="_blank" class="social-share-button email-share-button"><i class="fa fa-envelope"></i></a> </div> <a class="fancybox" rel="e25f58a200f306d198af5c1a8c37bfe4" href="https://d1ndsj6b8hkqu9.cloudfront.net/pictures/images/000/056/633/for_gallery_v2/04072099.jpg"><img src="https://d1ndsj6b8hkqu9.cloudfront.net/pictures/images/000/056/633/large_v3/04072099.jpg" alt="04072099" /></a></div></div>EXCLUSIVE: The U.S. Army is kicking out a decorated Green Beret after an 11-year Special Forces career, after he got in trouble for shoving an Afghan police commander accused of raping a boy and beating up his mother when she reported the incident. <br /><br />The case of Sgt. 1st Class Charles Martland now has the attention of Congress, with Rep. Duncan Hunter writing to Defense Secretary Ash Carter challenging the decision. <br /><br />&quot;I am once again dismayed by the Army&#39;s actions in this case,&quot; Hunter, R-Calif., wrote in a letter to Carter. <br /><br />Martland is described by many of his teammates as the finest soldier they have ever served alongside.<br /><br />But his Army career changed course during his second deployment to Afghanistan in 2011. After learning an Afghan boy was raped and his mother beaten, Martland and his team leader confronted a local police commander they had trained, armed and paid with U.S. taxpayer dollars. When the man laughed off the incident, they physically confronted him. <br /><br />They were punished by the Army at the time -- but why exactly Martland is now being discharged is a matter of dispute. Army sources cited his accolades, including being named runner-up for 2014 Special Warfare Training Group Instructor of the Year from a pool of 400 senior leaders in Special Forces, in questioning the decision. <br /><br />As for the incident in 2011, Hunter told Carter: &quot;To intervene was a moral decision, and SFC Martland and his Special Forces team felt they had no choice but to respond.&quot; <br /><br />Casey, a former Green Beret teammate who would only use his first name since he is now a member of a federal counterterrorism team, told Fox News, &quot;If I was a commander, I would have given him an award. They saved that kid&#39;s life.&quot; <br /><br />Martland grew up south of Boston, in Milton, Mass. An all-state football player in high school, he set his sights on playing college football after graduating in 2001. Martland went for the Florida State University team, which just finished a season ranked #4 in the nation. <br /><br />He made the team, impressing legendary head coach Bobby Bowdon and famed defensive coordinator Mickey Andrews. Still, he often remained on the sidelines. When Pat Tillman, a former NFL football player who volunteered for the Army Rangers, was killed in Afghanistan in 2004, he saw Tillman&#39;s sacrifice as motivation to apply for another elite program. Martland dropped out of college and graduated in 2006 from Special Forces Qualification Course, one of the U.S. military&#39;s toughest training programs. Over the years he became a jumpmaster, combat diver and sniper. <br /><br />After a deployment to Iraq in 2008, he deployed to Afghanistan in January 2010 as part of a 12-man unit. He and his team found themselves fighting large numbers of Taliban militants in volatile Kunduz Province. <br /><br />On one mission, one of their vehicles was struck by an IED, setting off a Taliban ambush. Fox News is told Martland rushed to the scene. He jumped in the turret of a damaged Humvee, exposing himself to enemy bullets while returning fire to help his teammates gather sensitive equipment. <br /><br />&quot;I thought he was gone, then he comes out of nowhere to save us,&quot; said an active-duty Green Beret who requested anonymity. <br /><br />Martland was awarded a Bronze Star with Valor for his actions. According to one evaluation, he also was &quot;praised&quot; by Gen. David Petraeus, then commander of U.S. and allied forces in Afghanistan. <br /><br />But very quickly, the Green Berets realized they had a problem with many of the Afghans they were training to become local police officers. <br /><br />&quot;We had been hearing for months about raping in our province, not just in Afghanistan,&quot; said Daniel Quinn, a West Point graduate and the team leader of the detachment sent to Kunduz. <br /><br />One day in early September 2011 at their remote outpost, a young Afghan boy and his Afghan-Uzbek mother showed up at camp. The 12-year-old showed the Green Berets where his hands had been tied. A medic took him to a back room for an examination with an interpreter, who told them the boy had been raped by another commander by the name of Abdul Rahman. <br /><br />After learning of the meeting, Rahman allegedly beat the boy&#39;s mother for reporting the crime. It was at this point, the Green Berets had had enough. Quinn and Martland went to confront Rahman. <br /><br />&quot;He confessed to the crime and laughed about it, and said it wasn&#39;t a big deal. Even when we patiently explained how serious the charge was, he kept laughing,&quot; Quinn said. <br /><br />According to reports of the incident, Quinn and Martland shoved Abdul Rahman to the ground. It was the only way to get their point across, according to Quinn. &quot;As a man, as a father of a young boy myself at the time, I felt obliged to step in to prevent further repeat occurrences,&quot; Quinn said. <br /><br />Rahman walked away bruised from getting shoved and thrown to the ground, but otherwise okay, according to teammates. But Rahman quickly reported the incident to another Army unit in a nearby village. The next day a U.S. Army helicopter landed and took Quinn and Martland away, ending their work in Kunduz Province. <br /><br />For the next few weeks, both soldiers remained in Afghanistan but were not allowed to continue their mission. They were given temporary jobs in Mazar-i-Sharif in northern Afghanistan and later in Herat. Pending the outcome of the investigation, both men were relieved from their positions and sent home. Their war was over. <br /><br />Quinn has since left the Army and started a job on Wall Street. <br /><br />Martland, though, has been fighting to stay in the Army. In February 2015, the Army conducted a &quot;Qualitative Management Program&quot; review board. His supporters suspect because Martland had a &quot;relief for cause&quot; evaluation in his service record, the U.S. Army ordered Martland to be &quot;involuntary discharged&quot; from the Army by Nov. 1, 2015. <br /><br />The U.S. Army could not confirm the specifics of Martland&#39;s separation from service due to privacy reasons, according to Wayne Hall, an Army spokesman. <br /><br />Critics point to the Army drawdown as a reason. One former Green Beret said any negative mark on a soldier&#39;s record can get them kicked out, given the drawdown. <br /><br />Martland still has received the highest scores in evaluations since the incident. <br /><br />&quot;It&#39;s sad to think that a child rapist is put above one of our elite military operators. Sergeant Martland was left with no other choice but to intervene in a bad situation. ... The Army should stand up for what&#39;s right and should not side with a corrupt Afghan police officer,&quot; Hunter told Fox News. <br /><br />A childhood friend who went on to play in the NFL, Tim Bulman, said of Martland: &quot;You would want him in your corner and protecting our freedom.&quot;<br /><br /><a target="_blank" href="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/08/20/army-kicking-out-decorated-green-beret-who-stood-up-for-afghan-rape-victim/?intcmp=hpbt1">http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/08/20/army-kicking-out-decorated-green-beret-who-stood-up-for-afghan-rape-victim/?intcmp=hpbt1</a> <div class="pta-link-card answers-template-image type-default"> <div class="pta-link-card-picture"> <img src="https://d26horl2n8pviu.cloudfront.net/link_data_pictures/images/000/020/414/qrc/kunduz_charlessplit.jpg?1443052066"> </div> <div class="pta-link-card-content"> <p class="pta-link-card-title"> <a target="blank" href="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/08/20/army-kicking-out-decorated-green-beret-who-stood-up-for-afghan-rape-victim/?intcmp=hpbt1">Army kicking out decorated Green Beret who stood up for Afghan rape victim</a> </p> <p class="pta-link-card-description">The U.S. Army is kicking out a decorated Green Beret after an 11-year Special Forces career, after he got in trouble for shoving an Afghan police commander accused of raping a boy and beating up her mother when she reported the incident.</p> </div> <div class="clearfix"></div> </div> Army kicking out decorated Green Beret who stood up for Afghan rape victim. What is your opinion on this story? 2015-08-20T19:50:48-04:00 CW4 Private RallyPoint Member 906363 <div class="images-v2-count-1"><div class="content-picture image-v2-number-1" id="image-56633"> <div class="social_icons social-buttons-on-image"> <a href='https://www.facebook.com/sharer/sharer.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rallypoint.com%2Fanswers%2Farmy-kicking-out-decorated-green-beret-who-stood-up-for-afghan-rape-victim-what-is-your-opinion-on-this-story%3Futm_source%3DFacebook%26utm_medium%3Dorganic%26utm_campaign%3DShare%20to%20facebook' target="_blank" class='social-share-button facebook-share-button'><i class="fa fa-facebook-f"></i></a> <a href="https://twitter.com/intent/tweet?text=Army+kicking+out+decorated+Green+Beret+who+stood+up+for+Afghan+rape+victim.+What+is+your+opinion+on+this+story%3F&amp;url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rallypoint.com%2Fanswers%2Farmy-kicking-out-decorated-green-beret-who-stood-up-for-afghan-rape-victim-what-is-your-opinion-on-this-story&amp;via=RallyPoint" target="_blank" class="social-share-button twitter-custom-share-button"><i class="fa fa-twitter"></i></a> <a href="mailto:?subject=Check this out on RallyPoint!&body=Hi, I thought you would find this interesting:%0D%0AArmy kicking out decorated Green Beret who stood up for Afghan rape victim. What is your opinion on this story?%0D%0A %0D%0AHere is the link: https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/army-kicking-out-decorated-green-beret-who-stood-up-for-afghan-rape-victim-what-is-your-opinion-on-this-story" target="_blank" class="social-share-button email-share-button"><i class="fa fa-envelope"></i></a> </div> <a class="fancybox" rel="324285bbab84360fc4e883c8a6aed955" href="https://d1ndsj6b8hkqu9.cloudfront.net/pictures/images/000/056/633/for_gallery_v2/04072099.jpg"><img src="https://d1ndsj6b8hkqu9.cloudfront.net/pictures/images/000/056/633/large_v3/04072099.jpg" alt="04072099" /></a></div></div>EXCLUSIVE: The U.S. Army is kicking out a decorated Green Beret after an 11-year Special Forces career, after he got in trouble for shoving an Afghan police commander accused of raping a boy and beating up his mother when she reported the incident. <br /><br />The case of Sgt. 1st Class Charles Martland now has the attention of Congress, with Rep. Duncan Hunter writing to Defense Secretary Ash Carter challenging the decision. <br /><br />&quot;I am once again dismayed by the Army&#39;s actions in this case,&quot; Hunter, R-Calif., wrote in a letter to Carter. <br /><br />Martland is described by many of his teammates as the finest soldier they have ever served alongside.<br /><br />But his Army career changed course during his second deployment to Afghanistan in 2011. After learning an Afghan boy was raped and his mother beaten, Martland and his team leader confronted a local police commander they had trained, armed and paid with U.S. taxpayer dollars. When the man laughed off the incident, they physically confronted him. <br /><br />They were punished by the Army at the time -- but why exactly Martland is now being discharged is a matter of dispute. Army sources cited his accolades, including being named runner-up for 2014 Special Warfare Training Group Instructor of the Year from a pool of 400 senior leaders in Special Forces, in questioning the decision. <br /><br />As for the incident in 2011, Hunter told Carter: &quot;To intervene was a moral decision, and SFC Martland and his Special Forces team felt they had no choice but to respond.&quot; <br /><br />Casey, a former Green Beret teammate who would only use his first name since he is now a member of a federal counterterrorism team, told Fox News, &quot;If I was a commander, I would have given him an award. They saved that kid&#39;s life.&quot; <br /><br />Martland grew up south of Boston, in Milton, Mass. An all-state football player in high school, he set his sights on playing college football after graduating in 2001. Martland went for the Florida State University team, which just finished a season ranked #4 in the nation. <br /><br />He made the team, impressing legendary head coach Bobby Bowdon and famed defensive coordinator Mickey Andrews. Still, he often remained on the sidelines. When Pat Tillman, a former NFL football player who volunteered for the Army Rangers, was killed in Afghanistan in 2004, he saw Tillman&#39;s sacrifice as motivation to apply for another elite program. Martland dropped out of college and graduated in 2006 from Special Forces Qualification Course, one of the U.S. military&#39;s toughest training programs. Over the years he became a jumpmaster, combat diver and sniper. <br /><br />After a deployment to Iraq in 2008, he deployed to Afghanistan in January 2010 as part of a 12-man unit. He and his team found themselves fighting large numbers of Taliban militants in volatile Kunduz Province. <br /><br />On one mission, one of their vehicles was struck by an IED, setting off a Taliban ambush. Fox News is told Martland rushed to the scene. He jumped in the turret of a damaged Humvee, exposing himself to enemy bullets while returning fire to help his teammates gather sensitive equipment. <br /><br />&quot;I thought he was gone, then he comes out of nowhere to save us,&quot; said an active-duty Green Beret who requested anonymity. <br /><br />Martland was awarded a Bronze Star with Valor for his actions. According to one evaluation, he also was &quot;praised&quot; by Gen. David Petraeus, then commander of U.S. and allied forces in Afghanistan. <br /><br />But very quickly, the Green Berets realized they had a problem with many of the Afghans they were training to become local police officers. <br /><br />&quot;We had been hearing for months about raping in our province, not just in Afghanistan,&quot; said Daniel Quinn, a West Point graduate and the team leader of the detachment sent to Kunduz. <br /><br />One day in early September 2011 at their remote outpost, a young Afghan boy and his Afghan-Uzbek mother showed up at camp. The 12-year-old showed the Green Berets where his hands had been tied. A medic took him to a back room for an examination with an interpreter, who told them the boy had been raped by another commander by the name of Abdul Rahman. <br /><br />After learning of the meeting, Rahman allegedly beat the boy&#39;s mother for reporting the crime. It was at this point, the Green Berets had had enough. Quinn and Martland went to confront Rahman. <br /><br />&quot;He confessed to the crime and laughed about it, and said it wasn&#39;t a big deal. Even when we patiently explained how serious the charge was, he kept laughing,&quot; Quinn said. <br /><br />According to reports of the incident, Quinn and Martland shoved Abdul Rahman to the ground. It was the only way to get their point across, according to Quinn. &quot;As a man, as a father of a young boy myself at the time, I felt obliged to step in to prevent further repeat occurrences,&quot; Quinn said. <br /><br />Rahman walked away bruised from getting shoved and thrown to the ground, but otherwise okay, according to teammates. But Rahman quickly reported the incident to another Army unit in a nearby village. The next day a U.S. Army helicopter landed and took Quinn and Martland away, ending their work in Kunduz Province. <br /><br />For the next few weeks, both soldiers remained in Afghanistan but were not allowed to continue their mission. They were given temporary jobs in Mazar-i-Sharif in northern Afghanistan and later in Herat. Pending the outcome of the investigation, both men were relieved from their positions and sent home. Their war was over. <br /><br />Quinn has since left the Army and started a job on Wall Street. <br /><br />Martland, though, has been fighting to stay in the Army. In February 2015, the Army conducted a &quot;Qualitative Management Program&quot; review board. His supporters suspect because Martland had a &quot;relief for cause&quot; evaluation in his service record, the U.S. Army ordered Martland to be &quot;involuntary discharged&quot; from the Army by Nov. 1, 2015. <br /><br />The U.S. Army could not confirm the specifics of Martland&#39;s separation from service due to privacy reasons, according to Wayne Hall, an Army spokesman. <br /><br />Critics point to the Army drawdown as a reason. One former Green Beret said any negative mark on a soldier&#39;s record can get them kicked out, given the drawdown. <br /><br />Martland still has received the highest scores in evaluations since the incident. <br /><br />&quot;It&#39;s sad to think that a child rapist is put above one of our elite military operators. Sergeant Martland was left with no other choice but to intervene in a bad situation. ... The Army should stand up for what&#39;s right and should not side with a corrupt Afghan police officer,&quot; Hunter told Fox News. <br /><br />A childhood friend who went on to play in the NFL, Tim Bulman, said of Martland: &quot;You would want him in your corner and protecting our freedom.&quot;<br /><br /><a target="_blank" href="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/08/20/army-kicking-out-decorated-green-beret-who-stood-up-for-afghan-rape-victim/?intcmp=hpbt1">http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/08/20/army-kicking-out-decorated-green-beret-who-stood-up-for-afghan-rape-victim/?intcmp=hpbt1</a> <div class="pta-link-card answers-template-image type-default"> <div class="pta-link-card-picture"> <img src="https://d26horl2n8pviu.cloudfront.net/link_data_pictures/images/000/020/414/qrc/kunduz_charlessplit.jpg?1443052066"> </div> <div class="pta-link-card-content"> <p class="pta-link-card-title"> <a target="blank" href="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/08/20/army-kicking-out-decorated-green-beret-who-stood-up-for-afghan-rape-victim/?intcmp=hpbt1">Army kicking out decorated Green Beret who stood up for Afghan rape victim</a> </p> <p class="pta-link-card-description">The U.S. Army is kicking out a decorated Green Beret after an 11-year Special Forces career, after he got in trouble for shoving an Afghan police commander accused of raping a boy and beating up her mother when she reported the incident.</p> </div> <div class="clearfix"></div> </div> Army kicking out decorated Green Beret who stood up for Afghan rape victim. What is your opinion on this story? 2015-08-20T19:50:48-04:00 2015-08-20T19:50:48-04:00 SGT James Elphick 906389 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>My guess is there is more to the story and so far we are only going to get the one side, when the rest comes out, I&#39;ll make a decision Response by SGT James Elphick made Aug 20 at 2015 8:05 PM 2015-08-20T20:05:42-04:00 2015-08-20T20:05:42-04:00 CW4 Private RallyPoint Member 906405 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div><a class="dark-link bold-link" role="profile-hover" data-qtip-container="body" data-id="25970" data-source-page-controller="question_response_contents" href="/profiles/25970-sgt-james-elphick">SGT James Elphick</a>, that&#39;s exactly what I was thinking. Response by CW4 Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 20 at 2015 8:14 PM 2015-08-20T20:14:00-04:00 2015-08-20T20:14:00-04:00 MSG Private RallyPoint Member 906503 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>If the shoving was all that was done, yet he had a relief for cause mark in his file, then it sounds like there is more to the backstory than we are being told. Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 20 at 2015 8:49 PM 2015-08-20T20:49:40-04:00 2015-08-20T20:49:40-04:00 COL Charles Williams 906826 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Not good. Response by COL Charles Williams made Aug 20 at 2015 11:07 PM 2015-08-20T23:07:12-04:00 2015-08-20T23:07:12-04:00 SGM Steve Wettstein 906849 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div><a class="dark-link bold-link" role="profile-hover" data-qtip-container="body" data-id="17706" data-source-page-controller="question_response_contents" href="/profiles/17706-915e-senior-automotive-maintenance-warrant-officer-3rd-abct-4th-id">CW4 Private RallyPoint Member</a> Politics, PC and appeasement at it&#39;s finest.<br /><br />Then again after re-reading the entire article, he received a Relief for Cause NCOER. That is the reason for the QMP/QSP. Response by SGM Steve Wettstein made Aug 20 at 2015 11:18 PM 2015-08-20T23:18:24-04:00 2015-08-20T23:18:24-04:00 SFC Mark Merino 906853 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Our media is too sensationalized and makes money stirring up S!@# storms to get ratings and doesn&#39;t give truth anymore. I need to hear both sides to this one. Response by SFC Mark Merino made Aug 20 at 2015 11:20 PM 2015-08-20T23:20:01-04:00 2015-08-20T23:20:01-04:00 PFC Private RallyPoint Member 906977 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>As honorable as his intentions were, there are always 2nd and 3rd order of effects. Everybody knows of the tea boy culture, or should know of it by now. This incident looks like it involved the physical assault of a high ranking local government official (rightfully so under western ideology but counterproductive for the long term US strategic goal). That assault however seemed to have damaged relationships at some level and administrative repercussions were put into place that at the time were not necessarily career ending. Unfortunately, these slaps on the wrist meant to cause minor delays in promotions back then resulted in many highly qualified special operators being booted out of the military after the latest QMP board.<br /><br />I feel that the loss of rapport between the US and this particular Afghan dirtbag who had a high level of influence within the region where this event occurred was the primary reason this NCO was punished. The sad thing thing is nobody knew what the long term results on this NCO&#39;s career would be. Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 21 at 2015 12:22 AM 2015-08-21T00:22:40-04:00 2015-08-21T00:22:40-04:00 CMSgt James Nolan 906986 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>As I read this, I am reminded of a comment from former President Bill Clinton, that in my head, seems to fit this just about right. (and I may be off by a word or two-disclaimer) &quot;There is reality, and there is politics&quot;. Response by CMSgt James Nolan made Aug 21 at 2015 12:31 AM 2015-08-21T00:31:21-04:00 2015-08-21T00:31:21-04:00 MAJ Keira Brennan 907034 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>1st rule in public safety is never get emotionally involved. Can&#39;t change a thing on the &quot;human terrain&quot; side of life over there. Dealing with 11th century life in the 21st. Yes, it&#39;s a shame. But we aren&#39;t anywhere to &quot;teach lessons...&quot; Tough though - very tough. Response by MAJ Keira Brennan made Aug 21 at 2015 1:22 AM 2015-08-21T01:22:47-04:00 2015-08-21T01:22:47-04:00 CSM Michael J. Uhlig 907118 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>The ANP is a hypocrite, he beat the mother for telling on him, yet he has no honor himself as he runs to tell on the Soldier! What a punk, and probably a dead punk by now - he has no honor!<br /><br />This is a very minor event considering other happening in/around this period in Afghanistan......those fighting there during this period remember the Marine Sniper Team desecrating the bodies of dead Afghans, the burning of the Quran, and of course the mass killings of SSG Bales all around the buildup to the surge.....<br /><br />SFC Martland just happened to run into a punk that thought he could rape little kids and beat up women and get away with it. Response by CSM Michael J. Uhlig made Aug 21 at 2015 2:21 AM 2015-08-21T02:21:14-04:00 2015-08-21T02:21:14-04:00 SSG (ret) William Martin 907131 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>The Army see&#39;s a relationship with Afghanistan and a sex offender who rapes children to be more important than the child and his mother. Response by SSG (ret) William Martin made Aug 21 at 2015 2:35 AM 2015-08-21T02:35:14-04:00 2015-08-21T02:35:14-04:00 PO1 Tony Holland 907214 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>The problem is that he didn&#39;t finish the job. When I was a high school dependent in Japan I applied for a driver&#39;s license. I well remember the USAF Air Police NCO telling us that if we ever got in an auto accident involving hitting a Japanese national with our car that we should back up and run over them again or we would be supporting them in the style to which they were about to become accustomed for the rest of their lives under Japanese law. Response by PO1 Tony Holland made Aug 21 at 2015 4:18 AM 2015-08-21T04:18:31-04:00 2015-08-21T04:18:31-04:00 Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS 907398 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I hate to say this but the word &quot;shoved&quot; was used. He assaulted an Afghan Police Commander. Let that sink in. He Assaulted an Afghan Cop.<br /><br />He wasn&#39;t in control of his emotions. Justifiably so, but he lost control. Losing control , especially for a Senior NCO is &quot;inexcusable&quot; especially if it&#39;s documented, which in this case, it appears to be, with a &quot;Relief for cause&quot; in his ERB.<br /><br />10 years ago, it was probably recoverable. Now, not so much. Just because you do the RIGHT thing, doesn&#39;t mean it is the CORRECT career decision. Just because you do the RIGHT thing, doesn&#39;t mean you went about it the CORRECT way. If the article is 100% factually accurate, this is &quot;good initiate, bad judgement&quot; at its finest. Response by Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS made Aug 21 at 2015 8:02 AM 2015-08-21T08:02:54-04:00 2015-08-21T08:02:54-04:00 SGT Bryon Sergent 907502 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Well, I will be like the others and wait for the whole story. But I guess all the SHARPE training and the trafficking in persons and all the other classes we take are for NOT! If you can&#39;t do something about it or have the balls to stand up, then why do we have the classes! Response by SGT Bryon Sergent made Aug 21 at 2015 9:19 AM 2015-08-21T09:19:36-04:00 2015-08-21T09:19:36-04:00 LCDR Private RallyPoint Member 907626 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Ugh. I don&#39;t agree with it at all, but we can&#39;t become involved in the police action in another country. That&#39;s true everywhere even with our staunchest allies. Now do I think he was trying to do the right thing? Yes. Unfortunately there&#39;s more at play than just intent.<br /><br />edit:<br />After rereading the article, there is more to the story. This happened over 4 years ago and he WAS punished appropriately (very minor really for assaulting a foreign police officer) taking into consideration his record at that point. Now he is being processed out. Why, we don&#39;t know. And honestly, we really probably SHOULDN&#39;T know. People get kicked out of the military all the time for a huge variety of reasons. The only reason this is news is the connection (right or wrong) between him being kicked out and this action in 2011. My gut feeling however is that they are not related and we should let the guy be. Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 21 at 2015 10:08 AM 2015-08-21T10:08:41-04:00 2015-08-21T10:08:41-04:00 MSgt Private RallyPoint Member 907649 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I am sure there is more to the story, in no way condone the offender&#39;s actions and would have a difficult time not responding in a similar manner. However, for one moment switch the positions to yourself confronting a subordinate for a similar allegation. Would you expect leniency from your command after committing an assault on that subordinate? Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 21 at 2015 10:18 AM 2015-08-21T10:18:01-04:00 2015-08-21T10:18:01-04:00 SSG Donald Mceuen 907863 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>If thats the real reason thats sorry. But they say its due to cuts what do you think.. Response by SSG Donald Mceuen made Aug 21 at 2015 11:17 AM 2015-08-21T11:17:16-04:00 2015-08-21T11:17:16-04:00 LCDR Private RallyPoint Member 907889 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Yet another one where we need the whole story. I will say this though; any of us who served with the ANA/ANP know that this isn&#39;t too far fetched from the standpoint of what Afghan authorities deem &quot;appropriate uses of power&quot;...once had an ANA brigade commander decide he wanted to &quot;go over and crush&quot; a local, friendly village because their elders disputed the boundaries of the base near their pastures. We had a potentially fatal &quot;friendly-fire&quot; incident once because some ANA soldiers decided to rape one of their junior comrades on watch.<br /><br />What I want to know is this- Have we really arrived at the point where we think that every situation demands a &quot;clinical&quot; approach? If the &quot;good guys&quot; can&#39;t be &quot;tough guys&quot; as well, what does that say about our ability to deter as well as defend? Just my two cents worth, but IF this cop did what is accused, and IF the operator in question was acting out of righteous indignation...and IF the ANP won&#39;t support policing their own; then why in the world do we put our people in harm&#39;s way to protect them from warlords and terrorists (and admittedly our own strategic assets)? Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 21 at 2015 11:23 AM 2015-08-21T11:23:42-04:00 2015-08-21T11:23:42-04:00 PVT Private RallyPoint Member 909407 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Total BS Response by PVT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 21 at 2015 7:48 PM 2015-08-21T19:48:16-04:00 2015-08-21T19:48:16-04:00 Maj William Gambrell 909561 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>It is complete BS. I served under JTF Phoenix whom trained the Afghan national forces. I volunteered to go to the integrated forces training in Kabul. An afghan Col told me not to talk to him, I am an infidel. There were so many problems with the Afghan military leaders. They really thought they were superior to us.<br /><br />Now to the real problem. Our military leaders have become cowards and are afraid to protect our own due to politicians. This SFC did the right thing and I would have done the same if I were in that position. I would have been discharged as well given today&#39;s politics. Response by Maj William Gambrell made Aug 21 at 2015 9:00 PM 2015-08-21T21:00:40-04:00 2015-08-21T21:00:40-04:00 SSG Private RallyPoint Member 909591 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I&#39;m so tired of media being involved in things like this. Whatever happened to doing what needs to be done, and whatever&#39;s done stays where it&#39;s at. Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 21 at 2015 9:13 PM 2015-08-21T21:13:57-04:00 2015-08-21T21:13:57-04:00 SPC David S. 909647 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I like to read the Relief for Cause NCOER - Being that he could of asked for a Commanders Inquiry regarding the Relief for Cause; if that failed he could of still used AR 623-3 (Ch 4.) and submitted an appeal package. I&#39;m sure this was done and yet SFC Charles Martland was &quot;involuntary discharged&quot;. Certainly I have no problem with him giving the ANP a shove considering the accusations against him. It will be interesting to see how this plays out now that he&#39;s got Congressman Hunter on his side. Response by SPC David S. made Aug 21 at 2015 9:39 PM 2015-08-21T21:39:53-04:00 2015-08-21T21:39:53-04:00 CPT Chris Loomis 909736 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Q: I&#39;m not completely abreast of all the circs of our training of the Afgan Police Force. What control do we have over them?? Response by CPT Chris Loomis made Aug 21 at 2015 10:08 PM 2015-08-21T22:08:58-04:00 2015-08-21T22:08:58-04:00 SN Private RallyPoint Member 909858 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>That truly saddens me to hear of this, I hope that he gets let back in.<br />He made a moral decision to protect the lives of two civilians who were threatened. Response by SN Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 21 at 2015 11:09 PM 2015-08-21T23:09:30-04:00 2015-08-21T23:09:30-04:00 SPC John Decker 910530 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Force reduction. Drawdown. Downsizing. We should start at the top. How many Exist within the General Officer Corp? How many General, and Admirals are polishing chairs in the Pentagon? As for SFC Martland. He, and his team leader should have been decorated. Response by SPC John Decker made Aug 22 at 2015 12:30 PM 2015-08-22T12:30:25-04:00 2015-08-22T12:30:25-04:00 MAJ Ken Landgren 911313 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>In a country like that it seems like everyone is related and the piece shit Afghan officer might have had a relative in high places. Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Aug 22 at 2015 8:58 PM 2015-08-22T20:58:31-04:00 2015-08-22T20:58:31-04:00 SSG Private RallyPoint Member 912194 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I know Charles personally and the army will loose a great soldier. I&#39;m sure there is more to the story but That would be on both sides.<br />In the end the army will survive without Charles and Charles will do well no matter what he does but an army that continues to make choices like this will suffer. This is just one tragic story of the QMP process getting rid of one of our better soldiers. <br />Anyone who worked with Charles would agree he&#39;s one of the best the army has. Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 23 at 2015 12:03 PM 2015-08-23T12:03:25-04:00 2015-08-23T12:03:25-04:00 Cpl Clifford Prough 912295 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>This is rediculous, at the absolute most this might rise to a page 11 entry, or a letter of reprimand, but it should stop there. Response by Cpl Clifford Prough made Aug 23 at 2015 1:00 PM 2015-08-23T13:00:25-04:00 2015-08-23T13:00:25-04:00 SGT Rick Ash 912407 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I&#39;m with Ash Carter, this is wrong! He did exactly the right thing and the ARMY is LOSING a valuable troop that had many more years to give. Being politically correct is not my strong suite and never will be. But this is ludicrous! Does anyone know how to contact this gentleman? I would like to speak with him about what type of career he is seeking, I think I can help.... Response by SGT Rick Ash made Aug 23 at 2015 2:35 PM 2015-08-23T14:35:06-04:00 2015-08-23T14:35:06-04:00 MSG Floyd Williams 912495 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I didn&#39;t hear everything on the NEWS about this story. Response by MSG Floyd Williams made Aug 23 at 2015 4:19 PM 2015-08-23T16:19:55-04:00 2015-08-23T16:19:55-04:00 SPC Chelsea Fernandez 912868 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I want to be the first to say kudos to him. He put everything on the line not knowing or thinking what the consequences was going to be. Instead of him being discharge he should get a medal. Just because they are Afghans doesn&#39;t mean they are bad people but once it comes to a mother and their child you don&#39;t that. He done the right thing. I think the army should reconsider his discharge. If I was in his position I wouldn&#39;t confront him I would knock him our and then ask questions. Response by SPC Chelsea Fernandez made Aug 23 at 2015 7:58 PM 2015-08-23T19:58:31-04:00 2015-08-23T19:58:31-04:00 SGT Private RallyPoint Member 985600 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Unreal, crazy how this country's values and views have taken such a turn for the worse. Each and every single person should have done what he did based just off of having good American morals. Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 22 at 2015 6:22 PM 2015-09-22T18:22:36-04:00 2015-09-22T18:22:36-04:00 COL Jean (John) F. B. 986840 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div><a class="dark-link bold-link" role="profile-hover" data-qtip-container="body" data-id="305163" data-source-page-controller="question_response_contents" href="/profiles/305163-ltc-marc-king">LTC Marc King</a> - Although I admit that I have not seen all the official details of the incident in question, from what I have seen, I do think SFC Martland has been mistreated. With all the media attention given to this, I would not be surprised to see this decision reversed. Response by COL Jean (John) F. B. made Sep 23 at 2015 9:11 AM 2015-09-23T09:11:45-04:00 2015-09-23T09:11:45-04:00 MSG Private RallyPoint Member 986962 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Got to win the hearts and minds of those around us.........even at the expense of those that are sent to do that mission. God forbid we make action to protect the innocent even if we &quot;offend&quot; their culture of acceptable molestation of children. Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 23 at 2015 9:50 AM 2015-09-23T09:50:45-04:00 2015-09-23T09:50:45-04:00 SGT Tommy Silvas 997945 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>this is what happens when politicians start running the military the soldiers on the ground start paying the price in so many different ways, history repeats itself. Response by SGT Tommy Silvas made Sep 27 at 2015 1:16 PM 2015-09-27T13:16:36-04:00 2015-09-27T13:16:36-04:00 SSG Private RallyPoint Member 998030 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I&#39;m Proud of SFC Martland. He is a person with morale Values, And Integrity. This issue are difficult, But to have the courage and Integrity to do what he did is some values that are not seen much this days. I have seen many soldiers that are a example to others and dedicated bean forced out of services and many that should get Dismissed to stay... ask your self this question. What wold you have done? Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 27 at 2015 2:11 PM 2015-09-27T14:11:41-04:00 2015-09-27T14:11:41-04:00 TSgt Robert Mahaffy 999105 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>No story about the state of the current military has gotten my blood pressure up more than this one. I wish this Green Beret the best and hope that he lands in a better place and as for the chain of command that did this to him, and looks the other way when confronted with child rape, I hope they remember that karma is sometimes a bitch. Response by TSgt Robert Mahaffy made Sep 28 at 2015 7:01 AM 2015-09-28T07:01:16-04:00 2015-09-28T07:01:16-04:00 SSG Private RallyPoint Member 999117 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I have two opinions on the matter. <br /><br />First and foremost, we have let our media coverage just get completely out of control. I do not understand why we continue to accommodate the reporters when they consistently intend on writing stories that really and truly only hold a low level of truth. I was actually a victim of this when I had spent time in Mosul. If the reporters would put effort into writing about the glamore, victories, and good doing of our service members I&#39;m sure we would see a radical change in the amount of support toward our troops and mission. <br /><br />Second, I don&#39;t know how we as a military got caught up in immediately assuming that there is factual or truthful information to everything any &quot;source&quot; ever says.<br /><br />I find it astounding that a special forces team member got relieved for making a decision on the ground. No innocent lives lost and no collateral damage except for that of hurting some ALP pride. <br /><br />Facts: <br /><br />When an afghani is able to walk to a COP, combat outpost, and essentially accuse a soldier of &quot;wrongdoing&quot; and that soldier is immediately relieved and involuntarily discharged, you have just completely empowered your enemy. <br /><br />The commander at, let&#39;s call it COP A, should have called the commander at COP B, and they should have squashed it right there at the lowest level. Done.<br /><br />In my opinion, get the cameras out. Warfare is a soldiers business. Let our soldiers do the soldiering, the decisions made are theirs alone. The fact they are questioned by men and women of less courage infuriates me. <br /><br />Sorry for ranting on. Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 28 at 2015 7:20 AM 2015-09-28T07:20:12-04:00 2015-09-28T07:20:12-04:00 PO3 Aaron Hassay 999133 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>How will we know what the true back story is in this case if it was more then a shove?<br />I am supposing any back story will be trumped up as to have fall guy, to appease these AFGHANIS.<br />I also wonder how deep is the CIA or DOD in hiring the same Afghani Police that do ths disbicale acts n children. If the DOD or CIA are hands deep in hiring these Afghanis who like TEA BOYS on our Miliitary Bases. ,then it is more an attemmpt to rule th native populatiion by fear and intimidation.<br />I am sort of used to cover ups unfortunatley. Response by PO3 Aaron Hassay made Sep 28 at 2015 7:41 AM 2015-09-28T07:41:14-04:00 2015-09-28T07:41:14-04:00 Capt Lance Gallardo 1002673 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>When our Warfighters are put in the impossible position of turning their backs upon the rape of a child by an Afghan National Police Commander, or following what may very well be illegal (for sure immoral) orders not to interfere with such crimes against a child, we have to seriously think about getting the Hell out of Afghanistan! The &quot;we had to burn the village, to save it the village&quot; did not work in Vietnam where we allied ourselves with a morally compromised South Vietnam Government (which among its many crimes tortured and threw suspected NVA and Viet Cong Suspects/EPWs from Helicopters to their deaths), in what was essentially a nationalistic Civil War, and if our Warfighters cannot serve with their personal Honor intact, then we have got to do some hard thinking and hard bargaining with the Central Kabul Government regarding our Status of Forces Agreement, and what US Service Members can and will do when confronted with basic human rights violations committed in their presence, by people like the deplorable Afghan Police Commander. Response by Capt Lance Gallardo made Sep 29 at 2015 2:07 PM 2015-09-29T14:07:26-04:00 2015-09-29T14:07:26-04:00 SPC Private RallyPoint Member 1006737 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>THAT IS TOTAL BULLSHIT!!! I apologize for my language, but this is complete and total bull! Our job is to support the local poulace, and to win hearts and minds. the SF motto is FREE THE OPPRESSED!!! How the hell can you do that, if it is gonna get you kicked out? They didn&#39;t kill the guy, they just pushed him around to show that such behavior is unacceptable. So to kick this guy out is absolute bullshit. Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 30 at 2015 5:33 PM 2015-09-30T17:33:42-04:00 2015-09-30T17:33:42-04:00 SGT Dave Tracy 1006894 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>No good deed goes unpunished. Response by SGT Dave Tracy made Sep 30 at 2015 6:30 PM 2015-09-30T18:30:49-04:00 2015-09-30T18:30:49-04:00 MGySgt George W Iliffe Jr 1007208 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I have been following this case and I feel Martland needs more help then what Duncan Hunter can provide for him. Time is running out and more senior folks need to step up but I doubt it will take place with the PC leaders we have today. Response by MGySgt George W Iliffe Jr made Sep 30 at 2015 8:45 PM 2015-09-30T20:45:47-04:00 2015-09-30T20:45:47-04:00 CW3 Bernard"Chief" Collier 1044457 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>to answer a question with a question. What if it were an US Commander accused of the same crime? Would he be justified in actions? Big Boy rules apply. A stellar career does not justify all actions. Response by CW3 Bernard"Chief" Collier made Oct 16 at 2015 8:29 AM 2015-10-16T08:29:39-04:00 2015-10-16T08:29:39-04:00 CPT Brent Ferguson 1078598 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I have read a more full accounting of this incident. The rape victim was a 12 year old boy. His family approached us for help, as the boy was being raped by an Afghan police chief and beyond their ability to rescue. The boy was found tied to a post where he had been repeatedly beaten, whipped and raped by the police chief. Sgt Martland and Cpt Daniel Quinn forcibly removed him from the compound - which the police officer reported as an assault. <br /><br />Martland is a Bronze Star recipient and was an instructor at an underwater special operations training course. The incident was the only &#39;black mark&#39; on his service record. <br /><br />In my mind, Sgt Martland placed his own career at risk to do what is morally and ethically right. This is the kind of man we should seek to retain, rather than release from the US Army.<br /><br />I thought Muslims killed homosexuals, what was that police chief doing ALIVE long enough to make a complaint? Response by CPT Brent Ferguson made Oct 31 at 2015 8:07 AM 2015-10-31T08:07:54-04:00 2015-10-31T08:07:54-04:00 SP5 Joel O'Brien 1091418 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>No good deed goes unpunished. Response by SP5 Joel O'Brien made Nov 5 at 2015 11:43 PM 2015-11-05T23:43:18-05:00 2015-11-05T23:43:18-05:00 SPC Sheila Lewis 2339133 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>The problem is the Afghan society....still prefer to live in the stone age.....SFC Martland should be commended for defending a child. Response by SPC Sheila Lewis made Feb 14 at 2017 7:51 AM 2017-02-14T07:51:53-05:00 2017-02-14T07:51:53-05:00 CPT Private RallyPoint Member 3268077 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>This is an OLD story. What is the current skinny? Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 17 at 2018 11:26 PM 2018-01-17T23:26:33-05:00 2018-01-17T23:26:33-05:00 SMSgt Lawrence McCarter 3268395 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Seems also the mother looked to the American Sergeant and begged Him to protect Her child while this POS afghan pervert was sexually assaulting him. I can think of a lot worse punishment that so called Police Commander deserved. I&#39;m sorry but what the Army is doing to this soldier in my opinion is wrong. To stand by and do nothing would while that degenerate raped a young boy have been a wrong in My view. I&#39;ve had terrorized civilian women stand behind Me for protection in a war zone, it never reached anything like this but without Me there it looked like it would have. I can still see the look of fear on the young woman&#39;s fact then the relief after being protected. There was no question what the pervert child molester did ! Response by SMSgt Lawrence McCarter made Jan 18 at 2018 2:59 AM 2018-01-18T02:59:05-05:00 2018-01-18T02:59:05-05:00 SSG Edward Tilton 3276972 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Define &quot;Kicking out&quot; Response by SSG Edward Tilton made Jan 20 at 2018 3:00 PM 2018-01-20T15:00:22-05:00 2018-01-20T15:00:22-05:00 SSG Edward Tilton 3276982 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>The turds we employ in Afghanistan are the best recruiting tools the Taliban has. Tadjik Mercenaries and criminals. He should be get a medal for what he did Response by SSG Edward Tilton made Jan 20 at 2018 3:06 PM 2018-01-20T15:06:12-05:00 2018-01-20T15:06:12-05:00 MAJ Ken Landgren 4761514 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>From this article, the punishment far exceeds his act. Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Jun 28 at 2019 6:24 PM 2019-06-28T18:24:14-04:00 2019-06-28T18:24:14-04:00 MAJ Jim Woods 6949972 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Sucks Big-Time! Response by MAJ Jim Woods made May 4 at 2021 1:30 PM 2021-05-04T13:30:44-04:00 2021-05-04T13:30:44-04:00 SFC James Welch 7270609 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Why do we tolerate crap like this? Response by SFC James Welch made Sep 15 at 2021 9:22 AM 2021-09-15T09:22:17-04:00 2021-09-15T09:22:17-04:00 2015-08-20T19:50:48-04:00