Posted on Mar 19, 2014
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I have been in the service for less than 2 years, but I was raised in a military family, so I have a basic grasp on how things work -- more or less. More geared towards NCOs and above (with a considerable amount of time in service)... What are your thoughts on service members that are coming in these days? Even as junior enlisted, I see many issues from my peers which the intent is to break rules "just because you can", regarding: improper uniform wear, general regulations and not committing to job specific qualifications and PT. Do you think this will cause problems for the future of our military? If so, how should we fix this?
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CSM Michael J. Uhlig
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Normally, the nonhackers and jack wagons will weed themselves out. The problem is if they are allowed to stay and end up leading others, that's the issue.....when they are supposed to set an example.
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1SG Michael Blount
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CSM - absolutely true. I see more chuckeheads as SGT and SSGs "leading" troops when  I wouldn't let those  people tie my shoes.  I find that trend deeply troubling.
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SFC William Swartz Jr
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While I can not and would not try to speak for my brothers and sisters in the other branches of service, I can voice my opinion of the Soldiers I have seen enlist in the Army since the mid-late '90s. Due to a shift in the way society decided to raise their children and the sense of entitlement that some feel they deserve from the get go, the quality of young Soldiers has declined from even when I enlisted in 1987. Blame our culture where you have a large percentage of single parent households, the relaxing of parental and school discipline and so many other factors, you unfortunately get what society offers. Along with this in the early-mid '90s you had a relaxing of the manner with which DSs could and did enforce discipline with the new Soldiers in IET/OSUT and AIT. Big Army told us, NCOs and leaders, that we had to change to accommodate THEM because we were getting more intelligent troops, it should have never changed, THEY should have been made to change to accommodate US. Along with a relaxing of standards in the barracks, the removal of the barracks from unit control, etc, you get Soldiers that do not really assimilate to the Army culture. My son, a young PFC at Ft. Riley, has a hard time when looking at some of as he puts it "...the stupid shit..." that his unit does because he had a certain expectation of the Army having grown up a brat and watching me serve for may years. It's hard to explain to him what is happening because I spent my last 7 years in TRADOC or in a staff position in Kuwait and can only speculate for him as to wtf is going on. Maybe things will change for the better with the drawdown and the re-tightening of certain standards that were relaxed or forgotten for the last 13-years, I can only hope that they do for my son's sake and all of you still selflessly serving our Army and nation.

          "TREAT 'EM ROUGH!!"

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I agree with you for the most part, however, from what my father has told me, the quality of soldiers in the mid to late seventies wasn't much different than today. Drugs were rampant, standards were shitty, and everyone was burnt out from Vietnam. Furthermore, our standards are shit hot here at Ft Drum, NCO's are in the barracks every morning and weekends, and we have high quality soldiers because we have high quality NCO's. I believe any problems we're having with the new privates, are just a symptom of problems we're having with the leadership not caring to enforce standards, and provide purpose, direction, and motivation.
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1SG Michael Blount
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SFC - you and I are on the same page. I get to try and make Soldiers out of what society provides, and that job gets tougher by the day. Trying to burn through that sense of entitlement is a lot more difficult than it may sound.
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CSM Michael Poll
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A1C in my opinion, and that is all this is, I see a trend in this generation of entitlement, it seems on the surface that this generation is looking for a hand out and believe that they should be treated a certain way.  In truth, a Private is a Private, or in your case an Airman is an Airman.  You advance through professionalism and hard work.  You do not get a trophy for last place.  We, as seniors, have all been a Private or Seaman, or Airman, we have dont the "miniscule" work I use this term lightly as all work is necessary.  We worked our way to JR Leaders and eventually SR Leaders.  This geneeration needs to understand that you start at the borrom and with hard work, dedication and a little self improvment, you move up.  Us as Leaders need to be respectful, however not to the point of "entitlement"  Yes you will clean the floors, yes you will need to obey orders and yes you will not like some of the stuff you have to do.  As for "breaking the rule"  Your NCO's need to step up and act like the leader thier strips show.  Too many times we have "Likers" and not LEADERS.  For you specifically, do whats right, do not follow in the path of your peers, if you continue to set the example, you will no longer be their peer, you will be thier leader!
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CSM Poll,

A thousand thumbs up! It is the entitlement aspect that gets my goat. I'm in a bit of a different situation, as I am surrounded by IET Soldiers, but the level of entitlement is unreal. I have one that expects me to do her tasks for her, makes a million excuses why she cant to things (even claiming to be too short to file in the filing cabinet), displays a know it all attitude, yet has ONLY completed basic training. She constantly mentions how she is above others because she has a degree. If I try to explain to her how the military works, I'm told to back off of her.

Growing up in the motorpool, I know what hard work and menial tasks look like. It is all but forbidden for me to even ask her to file or shred papers, as I often end up doing it myself while she shops online.


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