Are you behind Trump, or McRaven?

Angela Benedict — Fri, 17 Aug 2018 13:04:23 -0400

Pretty straight forward question.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Aug 17 at 2018 1:46 PM

MAJ Ken Landgren — Fri, 17 Aug 2018 13:46:05 -0400

McRaven. Trump is a narcissist and a bully. He is not afraid to bend the truth to suit him.

Response by LTC Kevin B. made Aug 17 at 2018 2:17 PM

LTC Kevin B. — Fri, 17 Aug 2018 14:17:49 -0400

McRaven.

Response by SSG Warren Swan made Aug 17 at 2018 4:48 PM

SSG Warren Swan — Fri, 17 Aug 2018 16:48:05 -0400

McRaven. This post should get real interesting very soon...…...

Response by SGT Matthew Sesar made Aug 17 at 2018 5:34 PM

SGT Matthew Sesar — Fri, 17 Aug 2018 17:34:31 -0400

Both.

Response by Angela Benedict made Aug 17 at 2018 9:47 PM

Angela Benedict — Fri, 17 Aug 2018 21:47:37 -0400

The Washington Post has reported today that security clearances for the "enemies list" will be released systemically to deflect attention from news reports that are problematic for the Trump administration - this is according to communications aides within the administration. Just as Brennan's revoked clearance was released this week to try to deflect from Omarosa'a book release, this is a clear weaponization of security clearances as part of a PR campaign. One more example of how little thought the Trump administration gives to national security and how much it treats the WH like a reality TV show.
How do military personnel feel about this and other examples of a seeming disregard for national security issues?

Response by CPT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 17 at 2018 10:13 PM

CPT(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 17 Aug 2018 22:13:54 -0400

False choice. I don't think violence is good, but I'm ready to use it to solve problems (as are most here). Likewise, I knew who Donald Trump was when I voted for him, and have no personal responsibility to defend or apologize for what he says or does now, in the past or in the future. But he sure is doing what I want to see done, and succeeding beyond what I thought he would. McRaven points out that the world thinks less of us now--who cares? They have never been our friends. They smile at us and shake hands to get what they want, and we gave it to them. Prior to Trump, were the Europeans saying that zero tariffs on the table? Nope. Were the Chinese trying to figure out how to run their economy without a pipeline of new stolen tech? Nope. The list goes on. Unfortunately, men like McRaven don't accomplish what Trump does.

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Aug 18 at 2018 10:26 AM

SFC Michael Hasbun — Sat, 18 Aug 2018 10:26:48 -0400

Oh gee, the Special Forces war hero with decades of geopolitical experience or the draft dodger.... Thats a tough one..

Response by Angela Benedict made Aug 18 at 2018 11:13 AM

Angela Benedict — Sat, 18 Aug 2018 11:13:28 -0400

Thanks for all the comments on this so far.
This situation is a unique one, with high Nixonian aspects. To have so many high level people turn against this presidency, including the 60 plus people who have signed a petition letter in support of Brennan - it is really turning against a president who doesn't value or have the ability to form a relationship with his own intelligence community or military for that matter. Remember how easily he made a decision on cancelling South Korean war exercises without notifying much less consulting his own military leadership. This loose canon should not be Commander in Chief. How remarkable to have someone of McRaven's standing, state publically that wants his name to be added to the list of men and women speaking up against the presidency - even though consequences may be forthcoming. This is a strong position and public charge against Trump that must act as a wake up call, followed up by consequences now for Trump including resignation or impeachment. McRaven is known as a courageous, straight-shooting person, who dedicated his life to selfless service and is a true Patriot. This question; Trump of McRaven is really a rally cry for a new level of truth and competency. McRaven all the way.

Response by CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 18 at 2018 2:14 PM

CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 18 Aug 2018 14:14:16 -0400

I'm behind the US and US Constitution. Suits and GO/Flag Officers come and go, but the USA and what it stands for must prevail.

Response by CMSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 18 at 2018 4:29 PM

CMSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 18 Aug 2018 16:29:41 -0400

Since I only know what the media tells me about both people, and since I have zero confidence in the accuracy of tbe media, I think I’m smart enough to not form an opinion since I’m pretty sure it would be based on faulty information.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 18 at 2018 8:02 PM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 18 Aug 2018 20:02:26 -0400

McRaven. McRaven is a patriot and has served our country faithfully. Trump is a fraud and probably a traitor. Trump serves only his self and maybe his family.

Response by Angela Benedict made Aug 19 at 2018 8:34 PM

Angela Benedict — Sun, 19 Aug 2018 20:34:19 -0400

Over the past two days, on two forums, 1512 people have viewed this thread with three pro-Trump and 13 clearly for McRaven. Besides me. That leaves an overwhelming group of people who are being very quiet and I am wondering if that is a demonstration of the silence/silencing that is happening generally regarding the opposition to the Trump presidency. Over 1500 people is more of a sample group then some of the polls being televised right now in the mainstream media. It isn't lack of interest. Is it lack of comfort to public dissent? Often I have published political articles and get a quick and furious backlash. The quiet is very interesting on this.