Posted on Oct 6, 2016
Are we really training seriously for the next conventional war? All the signs I see say no.
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You can bet that the "next" war will be the only one you didn't prepare for
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Cpl Robert Crockett
Besides nukes, a Red Dawn Scenario is the only thing that really gives me a good scare. Those big container ships look to be able to house a whole division plus equipment. One has to ask if the ports are being watched any better than the borders? I'd much rather feel very foolish after the fact rather than none of the brass looking into this scenario.
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PO2 Robert Cuminale
We have a Navy. It and others will see any ship sailing toward us long before the ship can get here. We can even see it loading. It won't just be men loading but all the equipment, rations. Unloading a ship takes a long time. Long before it can fully unload it will be blasted out of water by fighter jets with missiles. Any people unloaded will have no equipment or rations.
The US is one of the most well protected countries in the world with thousands of miles of ocean for anyone to cross without being seen. We've nothing to fear from Canada and Mexico.
All of that is why no one has ever tried to attack us with a large force.
The US is one of the most well protected countries in the world with thousands of miles of ocean for anyone to cross without being seen. We've nothing to fear from Canada and Mexico.
All of that is why no one has ever tried to attack us with a large force.
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There is a truth in the Army, and that is that you always train to fight the last war.
With that out of the way, I would imagine that the senior leaders are trying to determine what the next war will look like. It is highly unlikely that it will be conventional.
With that out of the way, I would imagine that the senior leaders are trying to determine what the next war will look like. It is highly unlikely that it will be conventional.
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SGT Eric Knutson
Fully agree with you Top, history alone should tell potential enemies that facing us in a conventional style fight is a fast way to the grave, so they are going to be looking more at the unconventional styles of fighting which unfortunetly means that one of the other discussions has more creedance about training every one to a level closer to tier 1 which is as we know cost prohibitive.
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SGT Eric Knutson - Unconventional warfare is often less about the tactical acumen of the individual Soldier, but rather the field-grade level commander's ability to array his/her assets in such a way as to deny an unconventional foe the means and resources to execute operations. Denying cyberspace, access to the population, counter-messaging, good old fashioned disruption of lines of communication and supply.
Without coordination and resources, guerilla forces devolve into banditry and lose the support from the people they must have in order to thrive.
Playing whack-a-mole with insurgents almost never works.
Without coordination and resources, guerilla forces devolve into banditry and lose the support from the people they must have in order to thrive.
Playing whack-a-mole with insurgents almost never works.
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Training should include conventional and unconventional training. Future enemies are unknown and tactics will remain hidden. As far as when I left, you can only train your soldiers from the experiences you had. The 7-8 was always and may always be one of the best for learning your battle drills. Now they have FM 3-21.8, which has a more complicated version of how to do your battle drills, yet don't lay them out in a simple format that can be taught to the more uneducated folks. The battle drills are simple, easy to use and if your smart can be applied to almost any situation by changing some of the words. The key focuses that you want to train for is speed, surprise and violence of action. Depending on what you do, you may not be involved in the unconventional part. They have other units that perform these actions; such as, Psych Ops or Spec Ops. The ideal behind this is in the long run to reduce the amount of casualties on both sides. This is very important to the American government because this will reduce the amount of funding dispersed to Medically Retired Veterans.
Last if they aren't training for everything they are training wrong. Our units will become complacent and someone will find the opportunity to strike at our weakest spots. I have seen in happen in Iraq multiple times. The enemy sits and they watch. They strategize the details of how we are going to be predictable.
So as CPT Jack Durish said the next war will be the one you didn't prepare for is 100% correct. The enemy knows us before we will ever know them.
Last if they aren't training for everything they are training wrong. Our units will become complacent and someone will find the opportunity to strike at our weakest spots. I have seen in happen in Iraq multiple times. The enemy sits and they watch. They strategize the details of how we are going to be predictable.
So as CPT Jack Durish said the next war will be the one you didn't prepare for is 100% correct. The enemy knows us before we will ever know them.
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1LT William Clardy
Good point about battle drills, SSG Jeffrey Clonch. If it's a drilled response, it should be as unmistakably simple as "Immediate action LEFT!" even if you're not so smart. Especially if you're not so smart.
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Russia is pissed off because we are sending troops to Europe on rotational basis we need to have another exercise like we used to back until 1990. That way they won't be tempted to take Poland or the Baltic states. Russia has snap exercises and they are doing everything in their power to weaken NATO. We Won't Get Fooled Again. President Obama has given them the courage to push us around. Reforge AR is necessary again
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LTC (Join to see)
Damn virtual text. Return to forces Europe exercise for those born or join the Army before the Wall came down. The movie Bridge of spies is applicable now as it was back in 1961 except now Germany's United again but Russia is still the same.
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CPT Steve Wolszczak
Dead right on both counts. The Golfer in Chief has reduced our MIL capability to a fraction of what it was and it will take a decade to get it back, unless we elect HRC and then we've surrendered. Note all the aircraft crashes lately? Planes are old, don't have spare parts, training hours are down. So now, marginally trained pilots are flying vintage aircraft in bad repair...what could go wrong? Happening across all services, just more dramatic in the AF. Did you see the pic of the Destroyer that was attaked? What a friggin' rust bucket; apparently we can't afford paint. I was embarrassed for the US.
And the Major is right! In the old days, when Russia started rattling rattling it's saber on the Crimean border, we would have sent a couple Battalions to do a Joint Training exercise in the Ukraine, so that any minor border violation would become an international incident. We used to do that all the time.
RE training for the right war, even back in the post Vietnam days, Mil Operations in Urban Terrain training was VASTLY expanded, which is what much of the 'house to house' clearing in the Middle east involved. So we do sometimes see it coming.
Thanks all for your service. I was in when the MIL was up and when it was down, and this environment is very demoralizing.
And the Major is right! In the old days, when Russia started rattling rattling it's saber on the Crimean border, we would have sent a couple Battalions to do a Joint Training exercise in the Ukraine, so that any minor border violation would become an international incident. We used to do that all the time.
RE training for the right war, even back in the post Vietnam days, Mil Operations in Urban Terrain training was VASTLY expanded, which is what much of the 'house to house' clearing in the Middle east involved. So we do sometimes see it coming.
Thanks all for your service. I was in when the MIL was up and when it was down, and this environment is very demoralizing.
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SFC Stephen Lucas - Russians are twitchy and Democrats are easily fooled and hopefully keep sending troops instead of being too nice and carrying a Staples 'that was easy'.reset button instead of a baseball bat.
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SFC I'd say no we are not. I think the next war is gonna be right here at home.
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Cpl Robert Crockett
My vote seconds that sentiment. If we do have overseas battles, it'll be just enough to divert our attention from the U.S. Does Trojan Horse equal container ships in unsecured ports?
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We train for whatever type of war could possibly happen. I'll give you a hint though. We're never fully prepared when something does kick off. We are always a step behind at the beginning. It's the nature of the beast.
Also side note, the technology will change every single war based on the biggest threat from that particular war. Look it up. I bet you if the next war involved large scale use of chemical warfare, our current gear will be completely different by war's end.
Also side note, the technology will change every single war based on the biggest threat from that particular war. Look it up. I bet you if the next war involved large scale use of chemical warfare, our current gear will be completely different by war's end.
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The good thing about the reserve component is now it's finally trained up it's no longer the kind of unit that drinks beerr of the inside of their tank and call it a drill weekend. The reserve component is no longer 'useless' . Most of us have 3 or more deployments and most of us are still in so the Pentagon now knows Reserve component is here to stay and it will be used for the next War to support the active component.
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And now the Russians are threatening to shoot down our aircraft if we bomb the wrong targets in Syria. After White House again leaked air strike information it should not be leaking to the public.
https://gma.yahoo.com/russia-warns-us-not-intervene-syria-threatens-shoot-181512495--abc-news-topstories.html
https://gma.yahoo.com/russia-warns-us-not-intervene-syria-threatens-shoot-181512495--abc-news-topstories.html
Russia Warns US Not to Intervene in Syria, Threatens to Shoot Down Any Airstrike Attempts
Russia has warned the United States not to intervene militarily in Syria against forces loyal to President Bashar al-Assad, threatening that it may shoot down any aircraft attempting to launch strikes. In a bluntly worded statement, a spokesman for Russia’s defense ministry warned that Russia and the Syrian government had deployed sufficient air defenses to block any potential attacks. It follows rumbling in Washington that the White House may...
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PO1 Roger Waddle
We def need to restore our standing in the world view and quit ignoring threats from anyone and when we go we go we win we come home nothing more nothing less
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We're always training for the next war. Warriors phase in and out. Yes, peacetime forces involve a lot of busy work... cleaning the barracks... standing in formations... whatever you do on your day to day job. But we're always training so we can be ready at a moments notice to jump into the next conflict. You might not see combat during your enlistment, but you might be responsible for training the junior troops that do see combat. That's why we always put an emphasis on Mission Readiness because if something happens tomorrow, we need to be ready.
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Nope, we're training to apologize and be more culturally sensitive like good ol barry
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