Posted on Sep 20, 2016
Are grooming standards in the military outdated and without purpose?
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Can't tell you how many times I saw a CSM go ape crazy after seeing a route clearance patrol come in after three days outside the wire trying to get hot chow with beard stubble before the DFAC Closed. Certainly feel there is massive room for improvement especially in the combat environment. Discipline in appearance does not equal combat effectiveness or combat discipline, in fact in many instances perfectly capable soldiers are discounted due to their gruffness or lack of administrative skills.
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1stSgt Nelson Kerr
SSG Richard Reavis - It is funny Scrubs are the work uniform of some the most highly trained professionals on the planet.
I have see too many bright and sparkly Blue Falcons in my life to confuse appearance and competence, Competence is what determines if the mission gets done apperance has no effect on it either way.
I I have to trust someone with my life his skills and brains matter not how recently he shaved or location of her tattoos.
I have see too many bright and sparkly Blue Falcons in my life to confuse appearance and competence, Competence is what determines if the mission gets done apperance has no effect on it either way.
I I have to trust someone with my life his skills and brains matter not how recently he shaved or location of her tattoos.
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1stSgt Nelson Kerr
1SG Jon Weiss - The US miltart managed to fight until after WWI without having a appearance fetish, why does it need to have one now? You have not give a reason for the standards to exist in their current form.
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SGM Harvey Boone
In garrison a soldier needs to have a neat appearance however if my guys have been out in the bush You had better leave them alone until they have had some food, and a good bath and some rest. Most of those raising hell have never been brush wadeing.
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This is a complicated question because there are many factors to consider for why relaxed grooming standards can be necessary. To start off with, you can't shed a high and tight over night, nor can you grow a beard over night. Longer hair distances the impression that someone could be a service member in environments where a service member is looking to maintain a low profile. Beards sometimes are called for for cultural reasons, and they also can defeat many types of facial recognition technology (also the reason why some service members are encouraged to wear sunglasses in media heavy environments).
That said, I've seen plenty of cases where relaxed grooming standards are used when they are completely unnecessary. There is the mistaken idea that anytime you deploy to a predominantly Muslim country you must have a beard. The reality is that in many Muslim countries, the only people wearing huge beards are radical Islamist and jihadis. Long shaggy hair is also seen as inappropriate because in many countries, it is associated with being unkept and unprofessional.
In almost any environment, visible tattoos are a bad idea for more reasons than I have time to get into. I find it idiotic that some guys try to justify relaxed grooming standards to maintain a low profile while they have tattoos up their neck and down to their wrists (I'm looking at you MARSOC).
However to be perfectly honest, a lot of reasons why the military went to clean shaven and high and tights are outdated. Beards don't prevent you from sealing a gas mask. While skin conditions and parasites can be an issue, it is nowhere near what was in past decades because of improvements to personal hygiene products.
I do think that there should be a little more give in a combat environment in terms of grooming based on the situation. A patrol coming in from a 3 day recon mission shouldn't have shaving as a top priority before they can get a hot meal. Rushing shaving when you are dirty and using reclaimed water can actually increase the chances of infection. Still, the average service member doesn't need to run around looking like a ZZ Top knockoff.
That said, I've seen plenty of cases where relaxed grooming standards are used when they are completely unnecessary. There is the mistaken idea that anytime you deploy to a predominantly Muslim country you must have a beard. The reality is that in many Muslim countries, the only people wearing huge beards are radical Islamist and jihadis. Long shaggy hair is also seen as inappropriate because in many countries, it is associated with being unkept and unprofessional.
In almost any environment, visible tattoos are a bad idea for more reasons than I have time to get into. I find it idiotic that some guys try to justify relaxed grooming standards to maintain a low profile while they have tattoos up their neck and down to their wrists (I'm looking at you MARSOC).
However to be perfectly honest, a lot of reasons why the military went to clean shaven and high and tights are outdated. Beards don't prevent you from sealing a gas mask. While skin conditions and parasites can be an issue, it is nowhere near what was in past decades because of improvements to personal hygiene products.
I do think that there should be a little more give in a combat environment in terms of grooming based on the situation. A patrol coming in from a 3 day recon mission shouldn't have shaving as a top priority before they can get a hot meal. Rushing shaving when you are dirty and using reclaimed water can actually increase the chances of infection. Still, the average service member doesn't need to run around looking like a ZZ Top knockoff.
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SSgt Michael Cox
Even as an AFSOC member I would could see the guys that stay behind the wire shave but the Teams that are out of the wire doing their jobs shouldn't have to worry about shaving to get chow. Totally agree with the SFC (Anonymous).
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SFC (Join to see)
COL Lee Flemming - Resident SOF expert? That is a bit of s stretch. I just spend a lot of my time TDY at a Holiday Inn Express.
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SGT (Join to see)
If there is to be a change in grooming standards, there should be a circumstance associated with the standards. In CONUS the average soldier should look professional. In any other environment lax grooming standards should be dependent on the mission. That is to say, would it be beneficial to have long hair and a beard in a given situation?
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SFC (Join to see)
1SG Jon Weiss - Conventional forces being allowed to have some degree of relaxed grooming standards in the field or while actively patrolling has absolutely nothing to do with "blending in". It is actually a health issue or a cultural issue. It is a health issue because shaving is actually discouraged during extreme cold weather operations or high altitude operations because facial hair can help protect exposed skin. Shaving while on patrol also gives bacteria a better chance to penetrate deep into the tissue. It is a cultural issue because in some areas of the world, beards (Afghans) or big mustaches (Kurds) are associated with authority and/or wisdom and you are better received by locals as a leader because not only do you look like you are in charge, you are participating in their culture. This is why there is a huge shift in US doctrine that includes using culture as a weapon to gain influence over or to deny access to a population. A lack of cultural competency by conventional forces has caused huge setbacks in Iraq and Afghanistan.
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The combat beards are to help folks be accepted by the locals in the mid east. I never figured out the purpose for running around half necked though. Sun burn sucks and is a vector for infections. I always had a flat top and tight taper to help keep critters from latching on.
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MSG Dan Castaneda
You are absolutely correct regarding the beards. However, only those that associate with the local population on daily basis should have them. They should not be allowed simply because you are deployed sitting at Bagram.
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CSM Richard StCyr
MSG Dan Castaneda - Roger, I was a Combat Heavy Engineer, no beards allowed in our ranks and our interaction with the populace was generally move or get bulldozed, shot, or both. Route sanitization and crater repair didn't require much civic interaction.
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CPL Jared Baker
Sometimes you just gotta get naked and go savage Sergeant Major.... you know to show dominance!
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CSM Richard StCyr
CPL Jared Baker - Aw hell, had a drill sergeant caught smoking the piss out of a troop and going absolutely spastic on Utube, asked him what he was thinking..... "I was just instilling dominance" was the reply.
But yeah raining neked savagery and dominance on the enemy is a good thing. What's the Spirit of the bayonet....blood, red blood!
But yeah raining neked savagery and dominance on the enemy is a good thing. What's the Spirit of the bayonet....blood, red blood!
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