Are Green porch lights ("Greenlight a Vet") meaningful to you?

2016-03-25T09:49:00-04:00

Veteran's Day last year, stores sold green bulbs saying it was to support veterans. I feel it is another meaningless act. Better idea: find a local vet who needs help with groceries or transport or companionship or donate socks and toiletries to the Outreach programs. I was attacked on FB for expressing this opinion. So I am asking your opinion which means something.

Response by SP5 Mark Kuzinski made Mar 25 at 2016 10:02 AM

2016-03-25T10:02:55-04:00

Great Post! I agree there and many more meaningful ways to show support.

Response by SPC Kelly MacLeod made Mar 25 at 2016 10:08 AM

2016-03-25T10:08:53-04:00

I think its a nice gesture, but very superficial.
I agree with you, ma'am, that actually helping vets in need is a much more meaningful act. But I think society is unwilling to go that far. And then there is the argument, "well, we should do that for everyone in need!" Of course, this is right, too. Imagine a community that took care of those who were in need! Our veteran brothers and sisters in need would surely benifit from this as well!
I see the green light as the beginning and end of people's comfort zones and willingness to be involved in their community; but it is coming from a good place. I am grateful for what it is, but only give it just a passing, "hey, thanks." which is about all that gesture deserves.

Response by SGM Erik Marquez made Mar 25 at 2016 10:20 AM

2016-03-25T10:20:57-04:00

My opinion? That $3.98 you are about to spend on a light bulb you will throw in the trash next month.... Go buy a hamburger and hand it to the first homeless vet you see.

It may be a bit cynical of me, but I view the wrist bands, yellow tie thingys, green light bulbs, wear red day, ect ect..and all the rest as an easy way out.. a feel good thing folks do so then can tell themselves they are supporting.
Really it is a cop out, and easy way to make a hollow claim of support.. Putting no effort at all in to the task..it is meaningless and quite honestly Id rather those folks just ignore vets ...that would at least be honest ....as that is what they do the other 315,575,80 seconds in the year they are not screwing a light bulb in.

Response by SGT Dave Tracy made Mar 25 at 2016 10:42 AM

2016-03-25T10:42:30-04:00

In and of itself, there's nothing "wrong" with it, but as you and others have mentioned, it's superficial.

I think it's on-par with a bumper sticker and just one small step above "hashtag activism". While not universally true, in many cases, it's little more than a social license to say: "See everybody? Take a look. I support (fill in the blank) and didn't have to break a sweat to do it. I'm part of the 'solution', aren't I great?"

To me personally, when I see them, I'm ambivalent.

Response by Capt Tom Brown made Mar 25 at 2016 10:46 AM

2016-03-25T10:46:43-04:00

Maj Kim Patterson A recent post by 2d graders on a similar subject said 'Support is doing something, Appreciation is thanking' A nice gesture of appreciation; we even had a blue light at one time to support the police who were taking pretty hard hits. There are a lot of good outreach programs that a person can contribute money or in-kind gifts which will target needy vets with something a little more tangible. It never hurts to thank a vet for his/her service tho.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 25 at 2016 10:55 AM

2016-03-25T10:55:34-04:00

I have the same view. all I actually think about, when someone buys a lights or ribbons, is that some company or CEO is making millions off people. I kinda think it's a revenue generating scheme praying on the goodwill of people.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 25 at 2016 11:09 AM

2016-03-25T11:09:50-04:00

I agree with most everyone else...it is a superficial gesture...but one that is important none the less. My assumption is that the majority of people who have this light have contributed to the veteran community in other ways as well. Its hard for me to think they stop at just a light bulb. The light is symbolic of an issue that needs discussing. I hope that by seeing the green light it encourages people to talk about veterans issues or at least serve as a symbol to veterans that they aren't forgotten. We have to start with awareness/education of veterans issues and this is where the light serves its role.

Response by COL Charles Williams made Mar 25 at 2016 11:20 AM

2016-03-25T11:20:21-04:00

I agree Maj Kim Patterson with you. I see them all over, and even all around schools... I had to ask (sorry) what was up with all the green lights. I appreciate the gesture, but think it is just a fad. Actually caring and making a difference and jumping on the band wagon are not the same. I hear many folks say they support veterans, but I believe many say that because it is the in thing to say... Not, because they actually care. Just my two sense.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 25 at 2016 11:42 AM

2016-03-25T11:42:55-04:00

Sure, I will buy a green porch light in support of Veterans................if I know for a fact that the money (and I mean every penny) I spend on those lights will be given directly to a veterans outreach program. Otherwise, this is just a gimmick kind of thing to make a buck at the expense of veterans and to help the sellers feel better about themselves by thinking they are helping.

Response by SGM Mikel Dawson made Mar 25 at 2016 11:50 AM

2016-03-25T11:50:18-04:00

New one on me. I guess I'm inclined to go with SGM Erik Marquez on this one.

Response by Capt Brandon Charters made Mar 25 at 2016 12:10 PM

2016-03-25T12:10:32-04:00

Was just talking with SSG Carlos Madden about this. People who put up the green lights are doing it to support a national awareness campaign. Our veteran community needs social movements like this to remind the general public that we are out there and need their support in times when the GI Bill and Retirement benefits are being decided on in DC. During this political season, we need as much attention as we can get. I welcome more social movements like this to spread awareness. We also need to go beyond the symbolic gesture, take action, and vote for political leaders who will support the real veteran issues.

Response by Capt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 25 at 2016 1:12 PM

2016-03-25T13:12:03-04:00

I didn't even know this was a thing.

Response by PO2 Jeffrey Sheibels made Mar 25 at 2016 1:16 PM

2016-03-25T13:16:51-04:00

I don't like it. "Greenlight" usually means you have the okay to kill someone. So I don't like the whole "greenlight a veteran" idea. But that's just my take on it.

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 25 at 2016 1:19 PM

2016-03-25T13:19:50-04:00

Ma'am, one way to support veterans is to gather new socks and caps for veterans at your workplace or social organization. Then coordinate a trip to the local VA hospital to distribute them to the patients. This provides a wonderful chance to talk to the veterans.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 25 at 2016 1:56 PM

2016-03-25T13:56:33-04:00

Wait. The green light is a veterans thing?
I've had a green light on my house for five years. I bought it for Christmas one year to annoy my wife. Then I noticed them everywhere. I thought my neighborhood was a bunch of dirty copycats.

Response by SPC(P) Jay Heenan made Mar 25 at 2016 2:30 PM

2016-03-25T14:30:40-04:00

I would wager a guess that you were attacked on FB because you called them out. It is easy to screw in a green light bulb and claim you support Veterans, it becomes harder to pull money out of your pocket and actually do something that actually supports our brothers and sisters.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Mar 25 at 2016 3:16 PM

2016-03-25T15:16:35-04:00

This is America. You should have an opinion without being the target of others ire.

Response by SrA Matthew Knight made Mar 25 at 2016 6:00 PM

2016-03-25T18:00:12-04:00

It's a nice thought but I won't lie, if I drove or walked past a house with a green porch light I wouldn't assume they were showing it in support of the military. To me it just seems like they want a light that's a little less hard on the eyes for outside.

There are plenty of other better ideas for showing support.

Response by Capt Mark Strobl made Mar 25 at 2016 6:17 PM

2016-03-25T18:17:20-04:00

Hmmm... a green porch light lets me know the resident, while likely sympathetic to veterans, is absolutely clueless on ways to show support.

Response by SGT Neil Doty made Mar 25 at 2016 6:39 PM

2016-03-25T18:39:28-04:00

I have a Greenwich on my front porch and every vets knows who I am in the community and if they need help I'm here for them.

Response by MSgt Steven Holt, NRP, CCEMT-P made Mar 25 at 2016 10:53 PM

2016-03-25T22:53:16-04:00

Allow me to go full crusty Old School NCO for a moment......

I don't give a damn about some "feel good" mamby-pamby be-nice-to-others bull squeeze! You wanna impress me? Do something that actually matters!! *edited for family viewing*

ok.. back to lovable old me.... It's a nice gesture but really doesn't mean squat to me. If you really want to show your support, go visit the patients at the local VA hospital on a regular basis. Take a local vet some food or clothing he or she may need. Help them cope with the nightmares they may be experiencing. Find the next vet and do the same thing. THAT is showing support IMO.

Response by MSgt Rosemary Connolly made Mar 26 at 2016 7:08 AM

2016-03-26T07:08:30-04:00

Sure. Someone took the effort to do it. I wink at that house.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 26 at 2016 8:15 AM

2016-03-26T08:15:16-04:00

I think Walmart was sponsoring this. I still think that somewhere someone meant to order 1000 green light bulbs and ordered 1,000,000 by mistake. When they showed up, they had a meeting and said "how in the world can we sell a million green light bulbs? ". And someone said " remember when we accidentally ordered a million yellow light bulbs and so we told everyone they keep mosquitoes away? Why don't we tell them that green light bulbs support our veterans? You know, like green Army uniforms. ".

"brilliant idea. Let's get the word out right away".

Response by SFC Louis Willhauck, MSM, JSCM, and ARCOM made Mar 26 at 2016 10:06 AM

2016-03-26T10:06:02-04:00

Oh, I could go into a "rant" here, but let me say that I am with you! So-called "charity" CEOs collecting multi-million dollar salaries, things like that. But as far as being attacked on FB... well, I used to be on it frequently until I just got totally fed up with the idiots that inhabit that silly jungle! I have an account, but I rarely visit it these days because when I do invariably within a few minutes the sheer stupidity of so many on there just drives me up the wall.

Back to your post, the key word there is "SOLD"... yes, if someone who didn't need it wasn't making money with the idea, it would never be! Good luck in your search, Diogenes!

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 27 at 2016 7:07 PM

2016-03-27T19:07:54-04:00

It reminds me of the Batman!!! Maj Kim Patterson :)

Response by SGT Philip Roncari made Mar 28 at 2016 5:00 PM

2016-03-28T17:00:52-04:00

I am from the northeast Massachusetts to be exact and I see so few of (green light a vet) that it is good to see any level of support in other parts of the country

Response by MSgt Thomas Baydala made Mar 29 at 2016 6:37 AM

2016-03-29T06:37:58-04:00

Kim: Your first mistake was posting this on Facebook.....as to the individuals attacking you...ask them first "Did you serve ?" I would bet that 80-90% that had a negative comments didn't ...and if they didn't tell them to blow it out their collective Ass. Additionally you being a female...I also believe a unconscious negative jealousy bias might be at play by both non serving males and females alike.
Your years of service and opinion's have been earned and screwing in a light bulb can't usurp them
Warmest regards

Response by PO2 Frank Inscore made Mar 29 at 2016 6:56 AM

2016-03-29T06:56:36-04:00

Be very, very, very, thankful that people are acknowledging our existence in a positive manner. When I was serving my country (1980's) we were still known as "baby killers" and "psychopaths" out to kill innocent men, women and children. So take the green light one step further and mention, " please show your support with a green light and please help out a homeless or disabled (et.al.) vet by donating to a veterans outreach program"...etc. IMHO

Response by SSgt Brian Meehan made Mar 29 at 2016 7:10 AM

2016-03-29T07:10:08-04:00

never heard of such a thing, sounds stupid.

Response by SFC Michael Bava Sr. made Mar 29 at 2016 7:20 AM

2016-03-29T07:20:17-04:00

No act of recognition or support of veterans is meaningless but we need to always be diligent in looking for ways to help our veterans in our local communities and brighten others lives with kindness. Seek out and get involved with your local Veterans Service Organizations. This will put you on the road to that kindness and support of veterans.
Mike Bava Sr
DAV Chpt CDR

Response by Maj Roger Catron made Mar 29 at 2016 7:31 AM

2016-03-29T07:31:44-04:00

If we're going to do it right, we need green for the Army, red for the Marines, two different shades of blue for the Air Force and Naavy, etc or, is it just purple for all?

I guess Maj Kim Patterson has the better idea to support a veteran in need but I would expand it for those of us that can to do the same for active duty as they are paying the price today. Even a thank you means something.

Response by SFC Olivero Rodriguez made Mar 29 at 2016 7:33 AM

2016-03-29T07:33:12-04:00

I am with you on that, there are more retires and veterans in need that the need to put a green light on your porch. I wish that people understand this. A big whoa for you, Sir.

Response by SFC Robert Schatteles made Mar 29 at 2016 7:35 AM

2016-03-29T07:35:38-04:00

I personally think it's a waste of money for a light bulb, there are better ways to support veteran's, unless all the proceeds are going to a local VA or Wounded Warrior program. I'd rather spend my money buying a fellow vet a meal. The problem these days with that though is anyone can get a an old uniform and sometimes it's hard to tell who actually needs help. My answer to that recently has been "hey let's walk over there to the local burger place and I'll buy".

Response by Cpl Jay Samdahl made Mar 29 at 2016 7:48 AM

2016-03-29T07:48:15-04:00

There is always going to be a better idea ... but your idea that the green lights are 'meaningless' is not one of them. You SHOULD be attacked on Facebook for this. Any act of appreciation is appreciated my this old vet. Let me tell you that VETS in the 80's were actually abused so those green lights reminded me how things have changed for the better. Us old VETS do not need negative comments like this. Shame on you for looking a gift horse in the mouth.

Semper Fi

Response by PO2 Thomas OKeefe made Mar 29 at 2016 7:59 AM

2016-03-29T07:59:45-04:00

Change the message. Let the green lamp indicate a month when you helped a veteran. "Get your Green on. Help a Vet". That sort of thing. Let a Red lamp indicate that you are a veteran. That might help people know where a veteran in need lives.

Response by SN Sherri Weddle made Mar 29 at 2016 8:10 AM

2016-03-29T08:10:23-04:00

Maybe it would mean more if the revenue made during the purchase as well as a percentage (let's say 10%) of EVERY consumers electric bill forever being actively used to feed and house homeless vets on a daily basis maybe then I would be more supportive.

Response by Maj Kevin "Mac" McLaughlin made Mar 29 at 2016 8:11 AM

2016-03-29T08:11:25-04:00

Support from a fellow American, even if it's a small gesture like a green light, a "thank you for your service," etc is meaningful to me and many other Veterans. It shows this country has our backs, at least in attitude. There were times in this nation when the military was not popular with many Americans. This affects recruiting, morale, and retention in negative ways. Think of it as an advertising thing. When someone in a neighborhood turns on a green light or hangs a yellow ribbon on their trees, the popularity and respect of the military spreads. This in turn discourages others to speak poorly of our military.

One of the things I miss from my time in uniform is when a perfect stranger would come up to me, shake my hand, and thank me for my service. I didn't need them to buy me a meal or offer me some special service, that simple thank you goes a long way in strengthening my resolve to continue defending them and their freedom. It is those people I offer my thanks in return because without that support and respect, our military would likely not remain the best in the world that it is.

Can people do more? Absolutely! But who are we to understand their lives and know what they can afford to do or not do? How do you know they're not doing more already? How do we know if they themselves are a Veteran or a family member of a Veteran who might have paid the ultimate sacrifice?

At times I have been known to wear things which support Breast Cancer Awareness. Is this an empty meaningless gesture? I never had breast cancer. But I do have a wife who is a breast cancer survivor, whom I escorted to every single one of her appointments leading up to her surgery. Rarely have we donated to Breast Cancer Awareness Funds and we keep meaning to do one of the many runs they sponsor, but find no time to do so. Is that pink ribbon an empty gesture too, despite the fact more people become aware an note the popular support these organizations receive?

What if you were to learn that the multitude of green lights or yellow ribbons, inspire others to take things up a notch and donate to a Wounded Warrior program?

Response by COL Len Grasso made Mar 29 at 2016 8:14 AM

2016-03-29T08:14:06-04:00

I think that any activity that draws attention or appreciation to our Vets is worthy.

Response by SSG Kevin Wells made Mar 29 at 2016 8:20 AM

2016-03-29T08:20:48-04:00

When we bought our house, there was (is) a green bulb in the porch light. I always thought it was a Halloween thing. Since the light is 15 feet off the ground (higher than my tallest ladder) I left it until it burns out. Last week, my former neighbor from the old house called to tell me the new owners installed green bulbs. I replied with a simple, "OK" while thinking "why the heck would you call me to tell me this?"It was then that I learned it was to honor vets.
If you want to honor a vet go visit one, help one, listen to one. Buying a light bulb, ribbon, sticker, or any other crazy scheme doesn't get a homeless vet a place to live, it doesn't talk one down off the edge, it wont install a handicap fixture in their home, it wont provide a meal, it wont do anything except maybe a small way to settle their guilt for being too spineless to actually help a vet.

Response by Cpl John M Dutrow made Mar 29 at 2016 8:25 AM

2016-03-29T08:25:15-04:00

yes it lets people known your a Vet makes them aware yes its $3.98 but its a small price to pay to rise awareness for vets .We as vets have to reach out to are Vets in need .and provide aid and help to them The best treatment of vets should be given by other vets.Vets we should do what we can for are Vets REACH OUT LET JUST ONE VET KNOW YOU CARE HELP AS MUCH AS YOU CAN R/S CPL JOHN M DUTROW USMC

Response by MAJ George Buzby made Mar 29 at 2016 8:27 AM

2016-03-29T08:27:04-04:00

I'd never heard of that practice before reading your post. I'm inclined to say that it's meaningless to me. I agree with the suggestions about better ways to help. However, as it's a voluntary act, let people do what they are able and comfortable with doing. My wife displays a blue light bulb out front for Autism awareness and it makes her feel good, much like the various gestures on Facebook. I think they're harmless, not especially effective, but they show some amount of support. A glowing green light bulb out in front of our house is a whole lot better than being told that we vets are baby killers, like Vietnam vets were.

Response by CDR Dan E. made Mar 29 at 2016 8:27 AM

2016-03-29T08:27:54-04:00

Dear Major, et al,

Perhaps it's a generational thing, but when I was discharged from the Marines in 1975 I could not even talk about being a veteran most of the time without getting a sneer or look, except to apply for the GI Bill. People viewed us as baby killers and it was just not good conversation among groups--not even veterans. Having someone thank me for my service? Well, it just never happened. Then I joined the Coast Guard years later and now feel very fortunate to have made that decision.

There are so many veteran and member services today compared to then and perhaps there needs to be more, but we all took an oath to defend our country to the death, not for veterans benefits when we got out--if we got out. Any gesture or thought about respecting our veterans should be cherished. I doubt that many of the folks who install the green lights let their support stop there. They are probably also the ones who send packages to active soldiers, contribute to DAV or one of the numerous other charities in our favor. They are trying to let their neighbors know as much as they are the vets who see the light that remembering vets is a good thing. If you want to quote old sayings, then don't look a gift horse in the mouth. Appreciate what you have now and perhaps be a little less cynical about what you don't have.

I wish I could help you understand how much better it is now than it ever has been for veterans and service members. But if you're joining the service for the veteran benefits then you are possibly setting yourself up for a disappointment. If you serve for the betterment of your country and its inhabitants (whether they are aware of it or not) and for our freedoms that we hold so dearly and sometimes overlook, then you will always be satisfied and truly touched by every benefit, gesture or charity that comes your way. Sure, there's probably some manufacturer of green lights with a big surplus they had to dump or maybe some guy who gets royalties from the color green, but they could have just as easily started a green glass mosaic campaign for a green environment. I'm glad they chose veterans.

Response by Cpl Thomas Alvarez made Mar 29 at 2016 8:47 AM

2016-03-29T08:47:02-04:00

I completely agree. There are so many fads and organizations out there that are full of it. They are gimmicks for taking your money that don't go to the cause they allegedly support.

Response by TSgt Pennie Snyder made Mar 29 at 2016 8:54 AM

2016-03-29T08:54:47-04:00

Not sure if I totally agree. Did buying the green light bulbs allow the store to support the veterans with a portion of the proceeds going to veteran outreach programs? If not then it doesn't help to show you care without a follow-up action. If I'm a veteran in need of help and I see the green light bulb does it allow me to ask that home for help? Again if it doesn't then it's useless to do such things. Then again compared to the total lack of support that our VietNam veterans received maybe it helps them to see something visible as a sign of support. Would love to hear what the VietNam veterans think of the green porch lights, wearing red on Fridays, yellow ribbons, etc.

Response by CW2 Keivn Cook made Mar 29 at 2016 8:57 AM

2016-03-29T08:57:08-04:00

It is symbolic. It doesn't mean this is all they are doing. Probable yes but it doesn't. This might be someone who volunteers at the VA. It is also a about solidarity. But this is typically about making them feel good about themselves not the helping vets. But its not their fault. That's all people know today. "I'll change my profile pick to have the Brussels flag on it" .. I'll put a Blue line on the back of my car to support cops (hopefully get out of a ticket).........meaningless. But I say this and as I look down I am wearing a 22 kill ring. I think the big difference is almost every week I get to introduce someone else to these scary stats. So this is about as clear as mud to me. The only thing I can say is I do see both sides, and I'm not offended. As far as being bashed on FB, I had a similar occurrence because I don't like the soldier / burger flipper salary comparison. People took that the wrong way. Sometimes its better to move on smartly and let them do there thing and feel good about themselves.

Response by PFC Alan Lane made Mar 29 at 2016 8:59 AM

2016-03-29T08:59:25-04:00

I agree with your view.

Response by SFC Jeff "Audie Murphy" Bishop made Mar 29 at 2016 9:03 AM

2016-03-29T09:03:12-04:00

Wasn't aware of them until now. I support anything that promotes patriotism and awareness for the needs of our disabled veterans. My question is how many veterans get off their butts to help take care of their own. When was the last time we gave a donation to the DAV, joined the VFW or American Legion or volunteered at the VA or worked with the homeless. We need to be the first in line to serve our fellow veterans!

Response by CPT Gary Lapine made Mar 29 at 2016 9:04 AM

2016-03-29T09:04:28-04:00

Whenever, I see military uniforms in a restaurant, I pay for their meal. Then thank them for their service on the way out.

Response by A1C Jose Toscano made Mar 29 at 2016 9:07 AM

2016-03-29T09:07:32-04:00

Well, how did the selling of green porch lights help vets? Was the money given away to a charity for vets? I guess you don't seem to be completely wrong. At first glance, this seems like a sleazy way for them to make money off a cause. But you have to think that maybe they sent the profits to veterans wjo needed it or a vet charity for their discrete use of the funds. But, I agree with the fact that maybe going through a charity or something, might take a lot longer for the funds to reach a veteran than to just do a simple food rally qhere you actually see the end results. This way, everyone's happy, and the biggest factor is that you see the change develop in front of you; the vet(s) gets help right aeay, and you don't have to worry about some charity being dishonest.

Response by SPC David Hannaman made Mar 29 at 2016 9:10 AM

2016-03-29T09:10:45-04:00

I have mixed feelings. On the one hand yes, it raises awareness... and if there's one thing that I understand about society in general is that it's group mentality is that of a heard of sheep with Attention Deficit Disorder. They just bounce from one shiny object to another, this week it's Kaitlyn Jenner, the next it's Homeless Veterans, and the next it's how big a presidential candidtate's HANDS are.

So with that in mind buy your F%$#&ing green light bulb and reflect on the guys that have sacrificed so much for 2 minutes while trying not to fall off the stepladder.

On the other hand, it makes people *feel* like they did something... and I'd rather they spend an afternoon volunteering at a Ride2Recovery event, or drop an eMail to their senator and congressman that says:

"You broke 'em, you fix 'em... fix the VA system or look for a new job next election."

Less time, less money, and if the same people who buy light bulbs do it I'll bet we'd see some damn results.

Response by SGT John Boren made Mar 29 at 2016 9:15 AM

2016-03-29T09:15:54-04:00

Major Patterson, I agree with You. - Sgt. Boren.

Response by PO2 Bruce Lacillade made Mar 29 at 2016 9:26 AM

2016-03-29T09:26:17-04:00

I agree with you. It would be much better to actually help a veteran. Too often vets receive an empty "Thank you for your service." In my opinion saying that does more for the person saying it than for the veteran.

Response by SSgt Glenn Sirico made Mar 29 at 2016 9:29 AM

2016-03-29T09:29:11-04:00

I agree

Response by LCpl William Amos made Mar 29 at 2016 9:31 AM

2016-03-29T09:31:19-04:00

It is a nice gesture, but support a Veteran owned business and help a Veteran long term. The more Veteran owned businesses grow, the more Veterans they can hire, the more we create a ripple effect that helps the Veteran community.

Response by LTC Dave Duffy made Mar 29 at 2016 9:32 AM

2016-03-29T09:32:30-04:00

Meaningless? No. It is in support of a Vet awareness program so there is merit in that. Just because not meaningful to you doesn't make it useless.

Response by SPC Doug Menke made Mar 29 at 2016 9:37 AM

2016-03-29T09:37:15-04:00

It's only a meaningless act if it is all you do. Similar to the magnetic ribbons that where all the rage a few years ago. An outward gesture is a great way to raise public awareness, but once you are aware of the problem, do something tangible. The campaign does not stop once you screw in the bulb. Oh, and by the way, if you have not done anything tangible to help a Veteran, or a Veteran organization, keep the empty "Thanks for your service" crap to yourself.

Response by CPO Douglas Winslow made Mar 29 at 2016 9:42 AM

2016-03-29T09:42:31-04:00

I think this is another ridiculous example of corporate GREED. Using Veterans to MAKE MONEY is disgusting!

Response by LCDR Harding Harrison made Mar 29 at 2016 9:58 AM

2016-03-29T09:58:18-04:00

I am a service-connected disabled vet. I don't fell any better when I see a green lightbulb from Walmart. If Walmart donated all their light bulb profits to a Veteran's aid program, I would be a lot more supportive. As it is, it just serves another meaningless gesture to "recognize" our service.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 29 at 2016 10:04 AM

2016-03-29T10:04:36-04:00

Sounds to me like someone was/is trying to make money from Veterans Day. I think your idea is much better. I personally volunteer to work at activities and participate in school celebrations.

Response by SPC Paul Davis made Mar 29 at 2016 10:10 AM

2016-03-29T10:10:57-04:00

It might be a good jester but me id rather see them get with the local Veterans office or donate to a place that helps feed local Veterans that don't have the means to support themselves. That would be the Green light the vets.need to see..

Response by Sgt Clifford Renshaw made Mar 29 at 2016 10:27 AM

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To me, it is a meaningful thing to do, When I see a green light on a house I feel comfort in being a veteran. Yes it would be nice if people did help with other things, but with our economy right now Some people can only do so much and maybe a light bulb is all they can do.

Response by SSgt Jerry Couchman made Mar 29 at 2016 10:44 AM

2016-03-29T10:44:56-04:00

I am a USMC Combat Veteran. We do not need to be identified with a 'green light'. Some dislike Veterans for certain reasons so a green light becomes a target. More appropriately would be necessities to help vets and their families with daily living items.

Response by Sgt Brian Stephens made Mar 29 at 2016 10:59 AM

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Maj Kim P.
Good morning Ma'am I have one of the green lights you were talking about I have been able to educate several people on the meaning of this. All without out exception had no idea that so many vets are homeless. I was A homeless vet myself for 15 months I know what it is like! However, I was fortunate that A homeless shelter for male veterans was open in my area and was able to get in there on the day it opened!!!! Talk about timing!! I use the green light to teach about the homeless vets in America. I am not able to buy A big Mac for myself let alone A homeless vet so I teach and maybe someone will be able to do what I can not do at this time!!!
Brian D Stephens
USAF

Response by SGT Ruben Guzman made Mar 29 at 2016 11:13 AM

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It is a start. Lest we forget how the Viet Nam vets were greeted when they returned. Clearly, public perception of the returning Vets is far better than in the past. This support has helped.
Though as many have already stated, the money spent on the bulb can be better placed to benefit a homeless Vet.
Going beyond the ever present "Thank you for your service", and if the sentiment of wanting to help and appreciate Vets is genuine, I believe that the American public should actually be more active in contacting their Congressman/woman and demand that Veteran initiatives and programs are funded. It make no sense that while the Senate and Congress are getting ridiculous increases in wages and benefits, they see fit to cut funding to the VA and undermine new projects that would ensure that there are NO homeless Vets anywhere in the country.
That is the best show of support and meaningful gesture that the public can have towards Vets.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 29 at 2016 11:20 AM

2016-03-29T11:20:06-04:00

I totally agree with you how are green lights or any kind of lights supposed to support veterans if it doesn't do anything to help them in any way. There are so many veterans out there that are in need of serious help after getting out of the service that aren't getting that help and terrible things are happening to them all the time, going homeless or committing suicide, etc.

Response by PVT John Williams made Mar 29 at 2016 11:24 AM

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I'm like you . I'd rather do something for a veteran than buy a light bulb. A brother ( or sister) is still just that. Sometimes they just want someone to listen.

Response by SGT Ruben Guzman made Mar 29 at 2016 11:28 AM

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It is a start. Lest we forget how the Viet Nam vets were greeted when they returned. Clearly, public perception of the returning Vets is far better than in the past. This support has helped.
Though as many have already stated, the money spent on the bulb can be better placed to benefit a homeless Vet.
Going beyond the ever present "Thank you for your service", and if the sentiment of wanting to help and appreciate Vets is genuine, I believe that the American public should actually be more active in contacting their Congressman/woman and demand that Veteran initiatives and programs are funded. It make no sense that while the Senate and Congress are getting ridiculous increases in wages and benefits, they see fit to cut funding to the VA and undermine new projects that would ensure that there are NO homeless Vets anywhere in the country.
I recently had to wait 6 months to get a full physical scheduled. My community based outpatient clinic has churned 4 primary care physicians in the past 24 months because they are underpaid and over worked. These are the better fights to fight and where public outrage and support can make a difference.
That is the best show of support and meaningful gesture that the public can have towards Vets.

Response by SPC Mark McClenny made Mar 29 at 2016 11:34 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmsOIjzQ1V8 I think this little video sums it up pretty well. I agree completely with you. Walk the walk, don't just talk the talk. Donate your time. Or donate to Socks for Soldiers or Let's Bring Em' Home or another worthy charity (NOT the Red Cross, though that's a whole 'nother topic).

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Response by SFC Christopher Raymond made Mar 29 at 2016 11:40 AM

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It's a nice gesture to show us some recognition. Bit I can't help think it's just another way for the mighty Walmart to make more profits. I'd be much more impressed and honored if 100% of the proceeds went to helping vets. Far as I can tell it does not.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 29 at 2016 12:05 PM

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to ME, it means something, but I'm a lowly vet with only 10 years service, I wasn't in the gulf war in 91 nor the gulf war in 03, I served in between those years. So being a lowly vet, I feel my opinion means squat, but they are important to me....

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 29 at 2016 12:14 PM

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I had never heard of it, before this post. I agree with SGM Erik Marquez and Maj Kim Patterson. If you REALLY want to honor veterans, find one and so something for him. On the other hand, if you want to screw in a green lightbulb, knock yourself out. If that's all you care to do, I'd still rather have that than no support at all.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 29 at 2016 12:18 PM

2016-03-29T12:18:53-04:00

I had always heard green lights were code for a place to buy weed. Nice to give it to the vets now.

Response by CAPT Charles Weishar made Mar 29 at 2016 12:20 PM

2016-03-29T12:20:31-04:00

Never heard of the "green light" suggestion. I agree with you, Sir.

Response by PVT Jackie Pegram made Mar 29 at 2016 1:28 PM

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I have to say that I agree with you. I know that as a veteran that lives in a small town, I often need a ride to the VA and cannot get one. Well that would do me a lot more good than a light bulb. So I have to say that volunteering to help veteran means a whole lot to them, so many do not have that human interaction. Helping the outreach programs is another great idea, just be sure to always checkout the programs you are assisting to make sure that they are legit.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 29 at 2016 1:33 PM

2016-03-29T13:33:03-04:00

did not know anything about it until you posted it in Rally Point.
I agree with you. while its nice helping, one on one goes a lot farther.I belong to an American legion post and a Son of the American legion squadron and we help Vets.that away.
A meal goes along ways or even a visit

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 29 at 2016 1:42 PM

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I actually thought that they were like buoy lights green on the left red on the right. Just thought the red one was burnt out.

Response by CPO Joseph Stabley made Mar 29 at 2016 1:53 PM

2016-03-29T13:53:04-04:00

Wow! I had no idea so many of you see this as being an artificial gesture. It probably is for some people but, at my house it has meaning...at least to me and my spouse. The US flag proudly waves on one side of my front steps while my service's flag waves on the other side. In between you can see my green light which burns 24/7. Also on the porch is a large stone (a gift from a friend) that displays my rank. Out near the road by an old oak tree is a garden type/size flag that also represents my service. And yes, my vehicle shows my military pride. I am a member of several military groups including the DAV and I do what I can to support vets. My spouse is in the medical profession and some of her clients are veterans. The road I live on is traveled by many military members going to and from work and we also have a lot of retirees in this area. It is my hope that anyone who passes our home sees it as a place where the people who live there sincerely appreciate our military and those who have served. I also hope that any military member, active, retired, vet, etc would see it as a safe place to stop should they need any kind of assistance. So, if you pass my home and decide you want to stop, if for no other reason but to ask me about my green light, please feel free to do so. I would be happy to meet you and hear your story.

Response by LTC John Wilson made Mar 29 at 2016 2:07 PM

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We (You and I) will be attacked for expressing our opinion about the Green Light support for veterans. Most of that money went into the pockets of the businesses and not back to the veterans or veterans causes. Yes it is nice to ride around the neighborhood and see Green Lights glowing on the porch, but it would be nicer to see the many homeless vets in some secure housing, with food, and getting treatment for their ills. Gimmicks that businesses come up with to get you to spend money are sickening to me. Hey, that is my opinion! I will stick with it thick or thin.

Response by HN Kathleen M Peck made Mar 29 at 2016 2:11 PM

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Maj Kim Patterson, Thank you! What does the store do with the money from the purchased (GREEN) bulbs; buy more bulbs or give the proceeds to a Veterans or Homeless organization?

Response by SPC(P) Carlos Santini made Mar 29 at 2016 2:28 PM

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There are people out there that want to support us veterans some home and this is the only way they can or know how to show their support. Yes there are thousands of ways people can donate money or time but there are many ways to show your support for us veterans. I put a green light on my porch hoping that a veteran see it and know that they have someone on their side here. If they need someone to talk too they know that they can come over to my house and I am not just going to tell them to piss off. So Yes the green light movement is a great thing and I enjoy all the ideas that people have to support us veterans even if they are cynical or superficial.

Response by CPL Jonathan Miller made Mar 29 at 2016 2:29 PM

2016-03-29T14:29:46-04:00

Yeah, these sort of things are pointless. They make no tangible difference in anyone's life. It's a bit like liking a celeb's vet video on Facebook.

It does indicate a conversation.

Response by SPC Anna Larson made Mar 29 at 2016 2:42 PM

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I have a green light, not because I'm a vet or that I live with another vet, but just because I happen to like (love) the color green. Everything is green including my house. The green light on my house has nothing to do with the outreach we do. We both do our part at VFW and Veterans helping Veterans meetings, but the green light on my back porch stays cause I like it.

Response by PO2 Christopher Foss made Mar 29 at 2016 3:04 PM

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As a vet currently in a financial bind, I have to say I find your proposal a lot more comforting than the "feel good" of a green bulb.

Unfortunately, the green bulb is a symptom, not the disease. It allows people to "show support" without actually obligating them to anything.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 29 at 2016 3:22 PM

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As always, the answer is, it depends. There are those that support the military and it's veterans and this means something to them. There are those that do not and will not do it. While there are still others that do it to follow a fad. The only answer that matters is your answer to yourself about why you would or wouldn't do it. Don't worry about people on Facebook, it's just social media, if you go out there and support homeless vets and you believe that that's more important than a green light, good on you and carry on with what you are doing. If you want to have a green light, to show solidarity with other vets, good on you too. People who attack you on social media are idiots who think their opinion is more important than yours. It's not.

Response by LtCol David Durcsak made Mar 29 at 2016 3:34 PM

2016-03-29T15:34:12-04:00

Major Patterson: I absolutely agree with you and have never paid attention to ridiculous commercialization of serious social issues like the support of our veterans.

Response by CPT Pedro Meza made Mar 29 at 2016 3:40 PM

2016-03-29T15:40:05-04:00

Sounds more like using veterans to help sell a product and people on facebook are all about presentations they only care about appearances; you busted their bubble. Just go back and post "A Fool and his/her money are soon parted."

Response by Sgt Glendon Rice made Mar 29 at 2016 4:14 PM

2016-03-29T16:14:52-04:00

I don't see it as meaningless. I have many elderly and handicapped individuals in my neighborhood who are unable to do more than show their appreciation and support to the military in this simple method. If able help a vet but as an older vet I appreciate everyone showing their support of us.

Response by A1C Lisa Casserly made Mar 29 at 2016 4:43 PM

2016-03-29T16:43:48-04:00

I don't think its meaningless... but you're right. There are other things you can do to make this situation better. Thank you for pointing that out. Its cynical to say its meaningless. As a veteran, in a family of soldiers, its touching and heart warming to see the green lights. But I think it should be used as a first step in a long road to make things better.

Response by Cpl Franz Buhlmann made Mar 29 at 2016 5:58 PM

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I have never seen a green light anywhere.

I wonder if those same stores that promote this Green Light Marketing Campaign bother giving even a small veteran's discount or contributing in any real way in order to help veterans. Most likely they are not doing anything else.

I hear on a very regular basis about giving servers tips for their service. The excuse for this each and every time is their low wages. Nowadays, military personnel almost get a halfway wage. Of course, that is only when no one factors in everything it costs them and the fact that they are on duty 24-7-52, including their down times and leave. They are subject to recall at any time.

Currently tipping is anywhere for 15% on up. Just imagine how much it would help our veterans if everyone would tip even 15% of their lives for the service and sacrifice of each veteran. Most businesses refuse to consider giving as little as a 10% discount for the very ones that ensured their freedom to be in business in the first place.

Response by SPC Dean J. Thompson made Mar 29 at 2016 6:04 PM

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I liked seeing them. Also understood portion of the procees was supposed to be donated to support Veterans.

Response by 1stSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 29 at 2016 6:30 PM

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Normally, I only go to Walmart to find out if all of the videos are accurate. However, I find Walmart's support and advocacy for veterans better than most.

I believe the ideology is sound though very misunderstood by all involved.

http://www.militarytimes.com/story/military/2015/11/05/walmart-pumps-20-million-into-greenlight-vet-advocacy-campaign/75215418/

http://walmartcareerswithamission.com/support/greenlight-a-vet/

Walmart launches 'Greenlight A Vet' advocacy campaign

Walmart is investing $20 million calling attention to the professional and personal struggles some veterans face.

Response by PFC Gary Waldrep made Mar 29 at 2016 6:36 PM

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I think the lights should be better. i also agree ,money better spent feeding us homeless , vets, right now i would rather have a hot meal than a green bulb.
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Response by Sgt Ricky Daw made Mar 29 at 2016 6:47 PM

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I feel that displaying the US flag shows more than a green bulb. The bulb concept to me was just a ploy to boost light bulb sales.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 29 at 2016 6:53 PM

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What's to say you can't do both? I see too many people railing against Vets and their participation in our country's wars, making claims that their situation is of their own doing. Maybe my putting a green light on my driveway is a big fat finger to these people, maybe it is just me standing up saying I understand and support my fellow vet/service member.

I personally lend a hand when I see a Vet in need with food, goods, clothing, or even resume writing support and advice to try and get them employed and back on their feet. I won't do cash anymore as I have been burnt by seeing that person later spread eagled on the sidewalk smoking weed and drinking alcohol. I will donate time and money to certain groups as well.

At the same time, who cares if a business makes money off my $3.00 LED bulb purchase. I change my lights for Christmas and Halloween as well. And if a $3.00 purchase once every 7 years is all that is keeping a Vet in their situation then shame on me, but I doubt that my $0.43 a year was the make or break for a Vet.

Response by COL Mike Walton made Mar 29 at 2016 8:18 PM

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The green lights mean little personally to me, Major. It is the PERSON living there and their FAMILY which matters to me. So whether they use a green light, a vet flag, or a red star flag -- or nothing at all -- to symbolize their service, it is the people inside I want to help.

My command, as an OPSEC matter, asked us all a few years to take down our vet flags and red star flags because vandals and crooks used them as "symbols" that "soft targets" are located within.

Response by LCpl Gary Coffman made Mar 29 at 2016 8:20 PM

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This is Walmarts news release concerning the Greenlight a Vet program. Seems many people have missed the point of what its about.
http://news.walmart.com/news-archive/2015/10/26/americans-encouraged-to-greenlight-opportunity-for-transitioning-veterans

Americans Encouraged to Greenlight Opportunity for Transitioning Veterans

Response by Cpl John Mathews made Mar 29 at 2016 9:06 PM

2016-03-29T21:06:03-04:00

I fly a Marine Corps flag at the entrance to my home. I think that is more meaningful than a green light bulb, and less ambiguous. The money spent is a non-issue, I just don't know that a green light bulb is recognizable enough to anyone as being indicative of supporting veterans. But then again, I have never liked the whole yellow ribbon thing.

Response by SPC Jerry Corwin made Mar 29 at 2016 9:56 PM

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I think it was a way for Lowes to make money I just panted a light bulb green i still use it every day that is just me and i still would give are vet a helping hand

Response by PFC David Skinner made Mar 29 at 2016 10:50 PM

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Some ppl might agree or disagree with my opinion but that's their right. I support the idea because i am in an area that doesn't have a strong Veteran presence but it's still there. Granted there needs to be more done for the Veterans but sometimes a small gesture can make a difference as well. I have seen homeless turn down food, places to stay, even jobs to help them get back on their feet because all they wanted was money for booze or even drugs. & some of those were Veterans! Myself, I work for Walmart now & everytime I see a Veteran I try to stop & thank them for their service. Many appreciate it especially the older guys from WWII, Korea, & even Nam. Because of me doing that I have gotten to know quite a few personally & have been told they tend to look for me when they come to the store. The Nam guys I also tell them Welcome Home. One almost broke down in tears when I did that because his own family didn't even say it. They accepted him back but they had a slight distance. So while it might boost sales for a store or company it still means something to someone in a silent personal way.

Response by SPC Daniel O'Neil made Mar 29 at 2016 11:18 PM

2016-03-29T23:18:33-04:00

Sometimes we need to support the comfort crap the sheeple want to do to show they "care". Better to let them and support it than show how we don't care for a consumer driven bid for yearly cash flow.

Response by SSgt Bill Trevor made Mar 30 at 2016 12:01 AM

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Didn't even realize this was a thing. #learnsomethingneweveryday

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 30 at 2016 12:01 AM

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I have a POW MIA sign in the front window of my house. It was there long before anybody put up a green light, and I intend for it to be there long after green lights are gone. I haven't and don't intend to get a green porch light. The only one that I've seen that has meaning to me is a dozen blocks or so away, and they have a gold star flag in the front window, and a green porch light. Feel a little emotion every time I drive by.

Response by Maj Kim Patterson made Mar 30 at 2016 3:05 AM

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I would like to thank everyone who has responded to this discussion. The final sentence was supposed to read "I am asking your opinion because your opinion as fellow veterans means something to me." I fly my flag correctly, and put my time and money where my mouth is. I will not mention specifics because that is not what is important. I'll just reiterate that I think it is important to do something, no matter how seemingly small, to make a difference right where you live. If choose a green light bulb, and stand behind it, thank you. For those of you who have not yet heard it, welcome home from a truly grateful sister.

Response by Cpl Christopher Bishop made Mar 30 at 2016 3:08 AM

2016-03-30T03:08:07-04:00

"Saying it is to support veterans" is like Toyota convincing you to buy a Prius, when they have an overstock of them, and convincing you they are "good for the environment" just to profit off of you.

Go buy a homeless vet a meal, and be sure to include water, and not the Kool-Aid.

Response by PO1 Darreall Hildebrant made Mar 30 at 2016 5:49 AM

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Great idea

Response by MSgt Kevin Baird made Mar 30 at 2016 6:32 AM

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You don't need too display a green light to show your supportt. Your way is one way. If that is how you want to show your support and it makes you feel good GREAT!!!!! If a light bulb is a way of showing support and it makes you feel good.GREAT!!!! There is many ways of showing your support and it is very very much appreciated. GOD BLESS

Response by CPT Dean Strong made Mar 30 at 2016 6:58 AM

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I was in the Navy post-Vietnam, when we couldn't wear our uniforms of base because the military was treated so badly. After the Navy, I was Army National Guard. I remember matching in a parade during Desert Storm, where people were actually cheering for us. It was a unique situation to actually feel proud of wearing the uniform. I agree that the green lightbulbs may be a bit goofy, but anytime people recognize veterans, it should be appreciated. By the way, I'm still uncomfortable anytime thanks me for my service. Just enjoy the green lights Major. It could be the other way around.

Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 30 at 2016 7:04 AM

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... appreciated but don't waste your money and electricity please...

Response by SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth made Mar 30 at 2016 7:21 AM

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I think that it shows people do care for the vets and the military. Counted at least 30-40 in the town I'm from, even have one on my porch.

Response by PO2 Charles Bonilla made Mar 30 at 2016 7:30 AM

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At first I didn't understand it. What was I supposed to do after that? I still don't have one, but I do help veterans, both at work and off duty. My take these days is why not? If that small action is the beginning of subsequent acts to help veterans, then it can be a good thing.

Response by FN Charlie Spivey made Mar 30 at 2016 7:38 AM

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I haven't seen any lit up, let alone in the stores ( course I wasn't looking for one ).

Response by PO2 Merrill Morris made Mar 30 at 2016 8:57 AM

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The "Greenlight a Vet" program is just another way to sell a product in the name of US Fighting Men and Women. And does does nothing for Returning American Combatants.

Response by CW3 Tommy Daniel made Mar 30 at 2016 9:06 AM

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I never heard of the green light campaign either but I personally would rather see our flag flown at a home. That would tell me they, most likely, support our country as well as Veterans.
Perhaps someone in our 'community' could come up with an idea for supporting Veterans that does not entail someone making a profit. I am sure there is enough brain power just on this blog to do so. Perhaps Major Patterson could come up with some ideas and allow everyone to critique. I would hope she would come up with a campaign to help the homeless vets. We know what we did for this country but we do not know what has caused a Vet to be homeless.

Response by SrA Chris Hunt made Mar 30 at 2016 9:18 AM

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I would have to agree with you ma'am. I believe too many people are trying to make a buck off of our sacrifices. Better to help our own and for businesses to donate directly to helping organizations. Better yet, how about hiring well qualified individuals that may have a physical disability. That would go a lot farther towards helping our vets!

Response by SFC David Davenport made Mar 30 at 2016 9:21 AM

2016-03-30T09:21:01-04:00

No. My wife and I actually joked about this when we saw a Walmart ad on TV. Great marketing tool to sell more light bulbs though.

Response by SSgt Ray McCaslin made Mar 30 at 2016 9:30 AM

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I enlisted in the Air Force during the end of the Vietnam war. While I never served in Vietnam, I worked with many who recently returned. Unlike the reception soldiers, sailors, Marines and airmen receive for the most part from the general American population today, one example of which I will give later, veterans returning from the Vietnam war were treated very poorly. They were either totally ignored or at worse, blamed for the war and accused of atrocities that were for the most part embellishments created by people who wanted to have their 15 minutes of fame, one of whom who became a Senator and later a Democratic presidential candidate.
For this reason, while I respect and understand your opinion on this, that the more people can do to support our military, the better off everyone is, helping disabled veterans by visiting them, donating to organizations like wounded warriors, or like in the case of my son who was home after USMC boot camp and took is girlfriend, (now wife) to dinner in his dress blues and was told that he was not paying for anything by several patrons, it is my humble opinion that any gesture of support is a good thing. If someone is willing to buy a green bulb at a store and display it on their porch as a symbol of support for those of us who choose to serve our country in the military, that is always a good thing. If the shelves of a store where green bulbs are displayed are emptying, that shows the volume of support that is out there, so I don't take this as a meaningless gesture.
As I stated, this is just my opinion about the question. It is not meant to disparage the originator of the question. I certainly appreciate the passion the originator has in wanting more for our military who certainly deserve it.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 30 at 2016 9:34 AM

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I agree find a homeless vet that needs that money and buy him a burger or coffee something he can use. The light is for your own enjoyment I get the reasoning behind it but think deeper than that.

Response by Sgt Kelli Mays made Mar 30 at 2016 10:07 AM

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Just another gimmick to get people to buy a product.

Response by SSG Carl Hoffman made Mar 30 at 2016 10:21 AM

2016-03-30T10:21:04-04:00

This is the first I've heard of this as well. My opinion can be summed up in a 5 word phrase my dad taught me when I was a kid: "Actions speak louder than words". To me, the gesture is meaningless. It's the equivalent of changing your profile pic on Facebook for whatever noble cause is "in" right now. The only thing your promoting is how good of a person you are for caring about said cause. In reality, you're doing absolutely nothing for that cause you say you care about. This "green light a veteran" thing is just more pointless BS aimed at making people feel good about themselves, as opposed to really caring about and making actual contributions to any cause.
Personally, I'm tired of what I call "facebook advocacy" (doubtful I coined that phrase, but that's what I call it), which is meant to be an all-encompassing term for crap like this. All you are really doing is making yourself feel good and showing the world how great you are for "caring" about something. I've taught all three of my children the same thing my father taught me. You either do something or you stop tooting your horn.
I would rather have ten people volunteer to help us out at our Legion post than have ten million people posting on facebook that they "support" our post.
I got sidetracked from the original issue mentioned by the good Major, but it's all the same to me.

Response by PFC Gregory Ross made Mar 30 at 2016 10:23 AM

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Any way we can say thank you to those who served is a good thing. I have come to realize that some people are only able or willing to go so far in recognizing and thanking our veterans. I always try to help out our veterans when I can. The green lights are a start, but there is so much more that can be done. we have so many living in the streets. I pray that our government will take notice and offer more for those who are suffering and struggling with the things they seen and had to do in battle.

Response by SSgt Christophe Murphy made Mar 30 at 2016 10:35 AM

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I am pretty much against anything wasteful. I hate buying stupid little trinkets that will just end up in the trash.

I totally get your point.

People want to do their share and show their support. This is no different than tying a yellow ribbon around the old oak tree. You can't avoid things like this just like you can't avoid driving behind the military spouse with stupid bumper stickers that say half their heart is somewhere or my sandals his boots. I hate those crappy things but I can't prevent people wanting to feel special from having them.

I agree that $10 they spent on light bulbs could be donated to any veteran based Non profit and be used more productively. You can't have one side of the coin without the other

Response by SFC Michael Marine made Mar 30 at 2016 11:00 AM

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With all due respect, these types of displays are only feel-good things that people do to feel good about themselves. Like SGM Marquez, go buy a homeless vet a meal, or donate time and/or money to a vet cause. Do something tangible.

Response by GySgt Richard Madrid made Mar 30 at 2016 11:07 AM

2016-03-30T11:07:10-04:00

I'm with you Kim, there is a better way to help out, being a disabled Vet myself you could help out just by going to your local VA living center and visit with a Vet that is there for care. Or helping out at you local USO if there is one near you. I go to my Local VA living center and visit with the Vets there, Made some new friends that way.

Response by MAJ Craig Jones made Mar 30 at 2016 11:19 AM

2016-03-30T11:19:10-04:00

Tha that is why I hate FB. It's a piece of liberal crap. I donate as much as I can to the Vietnam Vets in my area.

Response by CPT Jim Schwebach made Mar 30 at 2016 11:26 AM

2016-03-30T11:26:15-04:00

Hey, folks, according to some European doctor "sometimes a cigar is just a cigar." Sometimes a symbol of support is just a means to demonstrate awareness and to help make others aware as well. I've worn a pink bracelet with "save the boobs" imprinted on it for over ten years. And pink socks(even at the Military Ball, the MOH Dinner with Ross and other black tie events). At least once a week someone asks about them. My response is "My oldest daughter is a breast cancer survivor, I wear these to honor her and to encourage people to support the efforts to stamp out the disease." I've also had ladies approach me and thank me. That I also contribute regularly has is just another demonstration of support. There's a green light bulb out there in front of my house. It's there to remind folks driving by that some there are veterans in our midst and that they deserve whatever support we can render. Three times in the last year someone has actually stopped to ask about it. Considering that I'm sixteen miles out of town on a two lane gravel road that's not too bad.

And I bought the bracelet, the socks and a bag of green bulbs in various stores. Considering the glass hall full; I thought the availability of those items was, in itself, a symbol of support to those of us who wanted to express our support.

Response by SSgt Stephen Lindsey made Mar 30 at 2016 11:49 AM

2016-03-30T11:49:29-04:00

I don't mind a green light from someone who actually acknowledge us and the value of our service as well as exhibit support for veterans issues. That's another welcome, another voice. There's power in numbers and we shouldn't be so critical as to sour good intentions and turn people against us. Remember there's a large population who believe we are given too many entitlements and continually cry out for more and more. I think we should be thankful to those who at least try to do something positive for veterans. They mean well.

Response by FN George Woodruff made Mar 30 at 2016 12:06 PM

2016-03-30T12:06:54-04:00

You get attacked on Facebook for most everything you say. There are a lot of idiots posting there. As for green lights or Greenlighting a vet I have never heard the expression before and I am a World War Two veteran.

Response by SPC Rachel Lanier made Mar 30 at 2016 12:07 PM

2016-03-30T12:07:23-04:00

Although it is nice to see that people support us veterans, I do like your idea better. Anyone can go buy a green light bulb and act like they support us, but actions speak louder than words. In my opinion, you should not have been attacked on FB for your idea. We veterans need a lot of help, and alot of us won't ask for it. If you know a vet who is struggling, then by all means help them if you can. There are very few who are willing to help, but are capable of helping. They just choose not to. So to answer your question anything to help us vets is a good idea. Lord knows, the VA sure doesn't help us much.

Response by PO2 Aaron Revak made Mar 30 at 2016 12:19 PM

2016-03-30T12:19:26-04:00

I live in a small rural community and I see these often. I feel as though it is a very nice gesture and I have one myself. Our small town does not have issues with homeless veterans, although sadly I did lose a veteran friend to suicide after 3 tours in Afghanistan and 1 in Iraq. He was only 24 years young. I believe the Green Light a Vet is a very good way to start raising awareness and showing support within the community. It reminds people that after our government decides to send our young men and women into harms way, it's our civil duty to ensure they are cared when they return. I was lucky to serve primarily during peacetime, so I cannot relate to the horrors that some of my fellow veterans have experienced. I can be compassionate to their needs, but I also believe people need to help themselves before others can help them. I know that is not a one size fits all solution, because some people don't want help. There is no simple solution and I don't believe throwing more money at the problem will solve it. Our people as a nation need to rethink the solution. This is why, before jumping to war, we need to make sure it's the last option, not the first option.

Response by Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 30 at 2016 12:30 PM

2016-03-30T12:30:05-04:00

I understand why you do it but you can get off your couch and open up your computer and find an event that you know that supports homeless veterans and not people looking for a quick buck. Go there and do what every it is as much as you possibility can . Veterans don't get enough support or respect for everything to do / did to keep you safe .

Response by MSgt Mike McCarty made Mar 30 at 2016 12:55 PM

2016-03-30T12:55:14-04:00

It's a good gesture, leave what it means to those that are installing them. We installed green lights on the front steps of our local American Legion post. Does the act still ring hollow? The only other I've readily noticed in town was at the house of a woman who recently lost her husband. He was a Marine and a Vietnam war veteran and I was part of the rifle squad that performed military honors at his funeral. Should I go tell her that her display is just "another meaningless act"?

Response by LTC George Morgan made Mar 30 at 2016 1:03 PM

2016-03-30T13:03:24-04:00

To some degree you are correct. Never-the-less, some people feel, and indeed, have a need to express their support for the Military. Personally I agree with you about finding a local source to provide funds, or supplies, of whatever nature to our wounded and their families.
Sadly, and understandably, the recent exposures regarding misuse of donated funds by elements of "Wounded Warriors" has caused doubt in the minds of many as to whom they should donate.
"Duty, Honour, Country" Still holds true and many still care enough to display it, even if it is by the simple use of a Green Light. I live near Fort Gordon GA and it lightens (no pun intended) my heart to see how many green lights are displayed, especially at times when our comrades are returning from deployment.
God bless you for thinking of them. Yes it is your duty, but it is also your heart! Forget the lesser mortals on FB, most of them don't even know what a Uniform is and the pride we get from wearing it and serving our country.

Response by PO1 Kevin Arnold made Mar 30 at 2016 2:11 PM

2016-03-30T14:11:50-04:00

I don't think it was anything for there are several ways to honor a Vet. I used to wear red on Fridays to show my support; however, I now red almost every day because it is what my current job wants everyone to wear. Any support for the military is good for at least it's something. There should be more done besides just showing support by doing something to help support. If some of the proceeds of those green light bulbs went to an organization ser up to help the vets in any way would be awesome.

Response by SPC Edward Robinson made Mar 30 at 2016 5:26 PM

2016-03-30T17:26:46-04:00

I agree with SGM Erik Marquez, he is correct it would be better to help a Veteran who is homeless or help a family in need by paying their bills to help them along without letting them know you did it.
I have worked for many companies where there were only two or three of us who were Veterans and they did not care one bit that we had served our Nation.

Response by CSM David Hopkins made Mar 30 at 2016 7:30 PM

2016-03-30T19:30:32-04:00

Ma'am, I agree with you in principle but that is about as far as I can go. We all know that actions speak louder than words and in this case, actually doing something for service members and veterans is certainly a more desirable action, BUT I do not believe we can downplay the importance of these small gestures. Some may not feel confident enough to volunteer at a food kitchen or shelter or may not truly have the ability (fiscal or otherwise) to make a difference, but this green light or the yellow ribbon on a tree or any of the other myriad of symbols allows them to publicly acknowledge their support for the military.
I hope it doesn't sound like I am trying to bash your opinion, I just think if we take a step back and look at it from a different angle, we can see a different picture.

Response by MAJ Jol Rodlle made Mar 30 at 2016 7:39 PM

2016-03-30T19:39:25-04:00

The people who are against it do neither one of them, neither the light nor the burger.

Response by CPT George Ramirez made Mar 30 at 2016 7:51 PM

2016-03-30T19:51:00-04:00

Agree... Would have liked to see profit from green light bulbs sells donated to legit Veteran's Charities or directly to confirmed vets...

Response by SGM Garett Savard made Mar 30 at 2016 9:54 PM

2016-03-30T21:54:25-04:00

No need to step on another's idea; the world is big enough for yours too.... Special, sacred meaning may be attached to something as simple and perhaps endearing as a soft green light by the door to remind ones of their loved ones who serve, have served, and perhaps died serving. - a Gold Star Father

Response by SPC Jeff Boggs made Mar 30 at 2016 10:26 PM

2016-03-30T22:26:46-04:00

I agree visit a nursing home where they have vet's some don't even get any visitors make their day make them feel that their sacrifice and time served meant something make them feel human again. Sure you can buy a green light bulb and turn it on your porch all your doing is saying is yeah I will help vets but actually all your doing is making the store you bought it from some more profit and nothing went to help out any veterans

Response by SSG David Forler made Mar 31 at 2016 12:12 AM

2016-03-31T00:12:12-04:00

It is a small Jestured indeed, yet since my garage has two green lights on each and every night , I desire for those who have served, that ther are those out there that support what you have and are doing. We also give at Chruch, at the stores where VFW IS VOLUNTEERING AND SO ON. It is a VISUAL SUPPORT SIGN, AND IT IS A GOOD THING TO SEE, EACH AND EVERY NIGHT. THE PROGRESSIVES, SOCIALIST,AND FACIST THAT HIDE. BEHIND THE CALL SIGN" Democratic Party", have forgotten about 9/11, they support the murder and DISTRUCTION of American citizens in America( by allowing Islamic refugees( Syrian Isis fighters) into America. They say we will vet them, FBI DIRECTOR SAYS THAT CANT BE Done, Obama wants it anyway, They say it's old,worm and children. Well, those that have been oversea, know the children,old and especially the women blowup just the same as a medium aged, hard line ISIS CRAZY. BUT, THE ONLY REASON, OBAMA, NOW HILLARY ARE ON THE REFUGEE BAND WAGON IS NOT TO HELP THESE PEOPLE( they friggin don't care if they live or die, get raped,muted etc)ITS TO EXPOLIT THEM FOR THEIR VOTES, JUST LIKE ILLEGAL ALIENS, COME TO AMERICA,GET INSTANT CITIZENSHIP FREE HOUSING,FOOD,ETC OBAMA SENDS THIS MESSAGE OUT THROUGH THE ENTIRE CENTRAL AND SOUTH AMERICAN REGINE. ITS FOR ONE THING, PERIOD, THEIR ILLEGAL VOTES

Response by Cpl Frank Barbuto made Mar 31 at 2016 1:04 AM

2016-03-31T01:04:05-04:00

The Green porch lights actually are meaningful to me because, using your word, "meaningful" is exactly what it is to me, personally. When I see the green lights which are still lit by a few houses in my neighborhood and the city I live in at night, including my own, I'm reminded that there are a large number of valid reasons people have these lights. I have one neighbor who has a close relative that was/is POW/MIA in Vietnam, I have another neighbor who, like myself, is a veteran--he was an Army Ranger, and he had to be MEDSEPP'D, etc. etc. The reasons that people still have their green porch lights on at night are countless, however, I see your point, Major, and I believe that it's with great reasoning and intentions that you opened this topic up for discussion. I'm sorry that you had to take flak from people on Facebook about it.

Response by SrA Derek Schollenberger made Mar 31 at 2016 1:27 AM

2016-03-31T01:27:30-04:00

The green light a vet is basically is a slap in the face. In place of buying that light, actually DO something for a vet and or vet agency

Response by 1SG Remy Espino made Mar 31 at 2016 2:53 AM

2016-03-31T02:53:14-04:00

I agree with you...we all can do both.

Response by MAJ Todd Lamb made Mar 31 at 2016 7:20 AM

2016-03-31T07:20:05-04:00

Depends on the "outreach" program and who runs it. I am learning to walk (when they said I never would) and sometimes the only thing that kept me going was the silent support that many show. It's PC to say "I support our vets" but does that really translate into support? Bottom Line: If you have th money for green light bulbs then you have an hour to spend at your local veteran's center. THERE, and ONLY there, is where I find peace.

Response by SFC Sean Rabbitt made Mar 31 at 2016 7:28 AM

2016-03-31T07:28:36-04:00

I didn't even know what the green light represented until recently. Like you said show your support and appreciation by actually supporting those in need

Response by PV2 David Custer made Mar 31 at 2016 9:19 AM

2016-03-31T09:19:15-04:00

I look at this (GREEN LIGHT) differently.I see it as deterrent to burglers an such as well as anyone who thinks MY house is an easy mark for violence as well (locked+loaded) This Veteran is ready for anything that might TRY to invade my space,w/o permission and it looks great,reflecting off of "ole glory" standing TALL in my front yard,at night..SORRY: SGM Erik Marquez,my light has lit for me for the past (8) months and STILL going strong..(bad purchase) GOD BLESS AMERICA

Response by SPC Alejandro Martinez made Mar 31 at 2016 9:19 AM

2016-03-31T09:19:59-04:00

If it weren't for people seeing something different and asking about it, they might not have known there was something special to be different about. There might not be support without awareness. As for the people who are aware already, meaningful acts with more substance are better than token expressions.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 31 at 2016 12:20 PM

2016-03-31T12:20:04-04:00

It probably is just to boost their sales just like when DOD paid millions of dollars to the NFL to say it supports our troops.

Response by Sgt Lew Dunham made Mar 31 at 2016 1:27 PM

2016-03-31T13:27:25-04:00

perhaps the green lights would be more meaningful and significant to the country, if instead of showing support for veterans, the green bulbs shining on a residence identified a veteran who actually needed some help, of whatever kind ... and then those inclined to help would know exactly where to go to do so ...

Response by PO3 Kevin Doucette made Mar 31 at 2016 2:35 PM

2016-03-31T14:35:07-04:00

I'm in a unique position as a civilian Paramedic. I frequently encounter vets who need help, not just the homeless but even those with caring families and friends. They get the best care I can give and I follow up at the local hospital and the VAMC to make myself a pain in the ass until their needs are met. I'll get them on the meds they need and OFF the meds they don't. When necessary, I will push to get them placed in an appropriate residential facility. I take my role as their last line of defense seriously.

At the same time, I have green lights and also blue lights for the cops as one of my sons is a police officer. Maybe, just maybe, one or the other will see the lights and know somebody has their back.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 31 at 2016 10:07 PM

2016-03-31T22:07:53-04:00

No, it is virtue signaling for the person who has it on their porch.

Response by Jason Shifflett made Mar 31 at 2016 10:51 PM

2016-03-31T22:51:37-04:00

You can always tie a yellow ribbon around a tree. :)

Response by SSgt Boyd Welch made Apr 1 at 2016 8:41 AM

2016-04-01T08:41:22-04:00

Those of us who were from the Vietnam era, appreciate the recognition for vets. My motorcycle group has events every year to get blankets, coats, toiletries and food cards for those vets who are homeless. I think that this type activity is probably more meaningful because it touches vets on-on-one but I would never belittle someone for showing recognition and honor to all who have served. America.. We are still the best place!

Response by LTC Doral Gonzales made Apr 1 at 2016 11:48 AM

2016-04-01T11:48:29-04:00

I have my porch light green .. I am a vet ., it is to let vets know you support them

Response by PV2 Glen Lewis made Apr 2 at 2016 5:16 AM

2016-04-02T05:16:55-04:00

No, I didn't know about this. I don't see why you would be attacked on FB for saying that but respectfully I don't see why you can't acknowledge one and support both.

Response by SFC Jeff "Audie Murphy" Bishop made Apr 4 at 2016 8:35 AM

2016-04-04T08:35:34-04:00

I may have said this down below, but for those who judge a display like this in a negative way and talk about doing more for veterans, how many on this blog have volunteered at the DAV, the VA, a homeless shelter or taken your BSA troop to an Armory and served our troops a meal. It is easier to say than to do.

Response by SPC Paul Bills made Apr 4 at 2016 11:36 AM

2016-04-04T11:36:55-04:00

No simply symbolic

Response by SFC Jeff "Audie Murphy" Bishop made Apr 11 at 2016 9:33 AM

2016-04-11T09:33:09-04:00

Gentlemen, have we forgotten how the Vietnam Veterans were treated? We should be thankful for any show of support. Folks who display any type of support for veterans are on our side. To be-little these acts of kindness and offend those who support us is foolishness. By the way, there has not been a draft since 1973. We all volunteered. We are entitled to what the country says we are. We have no more right to dictate what our benefits will be than any other Federal employee. My concern is for the mentally and physically wounded veterans who can not work and provide for themselves and their families. These have to everyone's priority. Everything else is secondary. Quit whining about symbols of support. They are not meaningless. They are support.

Response by SSG Leroy Farmer made Apr 26 at 2016 9:12 PM

2016-04-26T21:12:41-04:00

I appreciate any meaningful manner in which Americans show their thanks to veterans. I think it is a fad that will quickly dissipate.

Response by SPC Paul Sottung made Apr 28 at 2016 4:42 PM

2016-04-28T16:42:02-04:00

why cant you do both>?? Help the vets and still have a green light.. I do.......

Response by CW3 Ed Heick made May 3 at 2016 3:36 PM

2016-05-03T15:36:25-04:00

I totally agree with you on this. A light bulb will light the way for that one night. Your idea will enlighten others for a lifetime. Great thought. ..

Response by Maj Kim Patterson made May 12 at 2016 9:22 PM

2016-05-12T21:22:46-04:00

I was out in the small towns, looking for a place that will be having a rodeo and saw this. It was daylight so I don't know about light bulbs and Doug wasn't around but I think he was USAF. Just wanted to acknowledge that it does mean something. Strong City, KS

Response by SrA J King made Jul 12 at 2016 7:31 AM

2016-07-12T07:31:25-04:00

I aggree it is wasteful jester that benefits the retailers and the useless politicians feel good about their pseudo affords to support vets

Response by FN Charlie Spivey made Jul 14 at 2016 7:11 PM

2016-07-14T19:11:28-04:00

No. Can't say as that I have seen any.

Response by PVT Alejandro Rivera made Jul 6 at 2017 4:32 PM

2017-07-06T16:32:58-04:00

The only green light I find meaningful is a traffic green light, if Walmart or other stores want to do something meaningful for vets contribute to homeless vets, I agree with Maj Patterson 100%>

Response by PV2 David Custer made Jul 14 at 2017 8:46 AM

2017-07-14T08:46:10-04:00

I have a green light at my house as my Veteran neighbor does..Instead of being curious about the"green light"we get nothing but negativity..I feel like I,m on a "FAR LEFT LIBERAL" site.or Veteran,s who don,t have a clue of how this"lil" light let,s everyone know how much we appreciate our fallen and the one,s still serving...I,M PROUD TO GET UP AT DUSK,JUST TO ' HIT' THE SWITCH AND LET THAT ":GREEN LIGHT" SHINE ON MY (22)FT. FLAG POLE..VERY ASHAMED!!!!!

Response by CW4 Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 13 at 2017 1:13 PM

2017-09-13T13:13:21-04:00

Green bulbs keep bugs away. Do you really want to advertise you status as a veteran?

Response by Lt Col Charlie Brown made Aug 10 at 2019 5:41 AM

2019-08-10T05:41:25-04:00

I agree with you Maj Kim Patterson better to use that money to support a veteran...give it to one who needs it. Buy him or her a meal, a pair of socks, some food that doesn't require refrigeration. Or donate it to a charity that supports vets.

Response by SGT Darryl Dykes made Aug 10 at 2019 2:41 PM

2019-08-10T14:41:31-04:00

Good idea NO. Some vets like myself have a whole different meaning for green lighting someone.

Response by SGT David Petree made Aug 10 at 2019 3:03 PM

2019-08-10T15:03:28-04:00

NO …. Someone pay for my meal does. It is so surprising to me when this happens.. It Never happen in the 70`s, 80`s, or the 90`s. But in the 2000`s and be on. I am in aw about it. Green lights are just a different target color.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 10 at 2019 3:58 PM

2019-08-10T15:58:24-04:00

Yeah, those green lights really motivate Congress to look out for Veterans. Eave them on for 40 years, and they may result in recognizing certain medical conditions related with military service as presumptive. Then the SECVA, who may even have a green light burning, will attempt to delay that, so a few more die.
Decades is the length of time Veterans fight for change. All the awareness, deaths, Congressional hearings and testimony, and OIG and other reports don't speed anything up. But, this green light, well, that's what's been missing.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 29 at 2021 11:45 PM

2021-06-29T23:45:54-04:00

I agree with you.